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[Web] Are You The One?ANN.lu
Posted on 02-May-2002 12:34 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä30 comments
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Another Suite101 article by John Chandler.


Read the article
Are You The One? : Comment 1 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 02-May-2002 13:12 GMT
Good article!
Are You The One? : Comment 2 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by john on 02-May-2002 13:38 GMT
Only part of the article that isn't factually correct is the mention of a G4 board. This is on the 'possibilities' list and not a definate - yet.
Other than that, yet another good article by John Chandler.
-john
Are You The One? : Comment 3 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 02-May-2002 14:01 GMT
It's an good article only one thing I'm relay skeptical of the
linux uses that is going to get an AmigaOne instead of
i686 computer just because PPC architecture is better,
most linux programs do come as source code,
some come as precompiled, and most precompiled is i686 code,
so there are some that only comes in i686, having an PPC makes
it harder to get precompiled programs, so no linux user will do it,
just for the PPC, there most be extra point do go out to get an new PowerPC.
The point is AmigaOS and Mac emulation, in addison to Linux,
and this is how we most promote it.
Are You The One? : Comment 4 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by adavidm on 02-May-2002 14:21 GMT
It would be a very interesting solution if someone could get MOL (Mac-On-Linux) to work on this board, either through AmigaOS 4 or LinuxPPC. I suspect MOL might be tied to the Apple roms, but since most of the Apple 'ROM' is actually held in the system folder of the startup disk nowadays.........
For those that haven't heard of MOL, http://www.maconlinux.org/
Similar to WINE, but uses a PPC not ix86
Are You The One? : Comment 5 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-May-2002 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (john):
So they really did ship AmigaOne G3SEs to dealers all around the world in April and no-one thought to mention it on ANN ? I doubt that. In which case this article has at least TWO errors in it, wouldn't you say?
Are You The One? : Comment 6 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 02-May-2002 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (adavidm):
Why try to have Mac On Linux run on this board when you can port Darwin to it to run OSX on top of it ?
Are You The One? : Comment 7 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-May-2002 16:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (john):
an ok article much better then the previous. still the so called amigaone by eytech isnt the answer unless you want a cheap mac clone. that in itself "being cheap " does help, but you pay for crap you get crap.
Are You The One? : Comment 8 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-May-2002 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (kjetil):
the archtiecture isnt differnt at all comapred to a mac, on the motherboard that is . You can see what happens with the mac when using the powerful and great motorola chip, it ,the cpu isnt shown to its fullest. So you should have reservations . your better off getting the winbox and "updating" the the tower or A4000 or A1200 to a pci/agp/zorro by elbox or any number of companies going that route. Its cheaper and more effecient then the so called amigaone.
Are You The One? : Comment 9 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-May-2002 16:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
well taht and the fact that teh so called amigaone is the answer.
Are You The One? : Comment 10 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-May-2002 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Christophe Decanini):
sad state to have such a great os wasted os such shity hardware. Hey go and by a power pc mac hava a G4 and it cost about 1k us dollars if that. cheaper and a more powerful cpu.
Are You The One? : Comment 11 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 02-May-2002 17:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
@Shawn
You are consistent in your views anyways, gotta respect that. It's an improvement
that you use 'anonymous' (never thought I'd say that!) instead of mixing all
those nicks...;-)
.
SlimJim
Are You The One? : Comment 12 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-May-2002 17:02 GMT
Shawn is back.
Are You The One? : Comment 13 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 02-May-2002 17:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
>your better off getting the winbox and "updating" the the tower or A4000 or A1200 >to a pci/agp/zorro by elbox or any number of companies going that route. Its >cheaper and more effecient then the so called amigaone.
more effecient ? with a single ppc chip, and OS that runs off it, you get rid
of the context switches. Don't know if you are a regular visitor here, but
its said in another thread that Petunia (68k emu) could get a 300mhz 060 off
the G3 on the AmigaOne board..
Didn't you have a G3 card in your a2000 ?
Are You The One? : Comment 14 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by OneVision on 02-May-2002 21:06 GMT
Ouais je suis le One.
Pourquoi t'as un problème, crétin de l'espace intersideral va.
Allez la PAILLDADE !
Are You The One? : Comment 15 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-May-2002 22:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (OneVision):
Das muss man sich mal auf der Zunge zergehen lassen! ;)
Are You The One? : Comment 16 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 03-May-2002 01:05 GMT
J'aime bien tes dernieres interventions sur ANN Ben ;)
Are You The One? : Comment 17 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 03-May-2002 02:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (OneVision):
>Pourquoi t'as un problème, crétin de l'espace intersideral va.
LOL
Sympa! :)
Are You The One? : Comment 18 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by adavidm on 03-May-2002 05:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Christophe Decanini):
My whole point was that there must be more to the Mac ROM architecture than just the software ROM currently included on disk, otherwise you would be able to run MacOSX on other PPC motherboards like the YellowDogLinux iBriq (Which, BTW, uses G4 CPUS!).
All 'NewWorld' Macs use open firmware, so mabye Apple include rom extensions in their version too. If that is the only anti-clone measure they use, then it is damn effective as AFAIK there are no CURRENT mac clones.
Just because you can run Darwin on a box (hell, you can run it on ix86 or Alphas if you really wanted to) doesn't mean you can run MacOS X. Aqua is a propriety layer on top of the open source Darwin.
Like I said, i'd be interested to see if anyone can get MOL (OR MacOSX) running on an AoneSE
Are You The One? : Comment 19 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by dakang on 03-May-2002 07:26 GMT
But the AmigaONE does NOT conform to the Zico specification!!!!
www.amiga.com/products/one/pr.php
Or has that changed now? I'm specifically referring to the lack of Firewire...
(wouldn't it be great if all Amiga's had the same powerful base configuration?)
Are You The One? : Comment 20 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by OneVision on 03-May-2002 07:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Christophe Decanini):
Bin oui là j'ai pas pu resister :)
Je te bise le Christophe !
Bye !
Are You The One? : Comment 21 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 03-May-2002 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (dakang):
Guess the Zico specs are outdated by now. They only had relevance back when AmigaDE was to be the new AmigaOS.
Anyway Firewire can be added to the A1 at any time, using a cheap PCI card (Shut up Shawn:)... Problem is that OS4 won't support it right away so there's no need for it right now.
The Zico specs should have been removed (along with the restof Amiga.com:) a long time ago. Amiga really need a new site with only the basic hard facts on it. Maybe they should only use Amiga.com as a gateway to the AmigaAnywhere site, the AmigaOS site, Amigadev site..?
Are You The One? : Comment 22 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 03-May-2002 09:53 GMT
There is a definite market for the AmigaOne hardware to run *ix on... perhaps this will also help AmigaOS 4 gain new users?
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Posted by dakang on 03-May-2002 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Troels Ersking):
Yeah but did we not learn the lessons of the AtariST having Midi by default therefore gaining control of music production?
A lot of digitalvideo/home video editing etc.. applications would be written for the Amiga if it came with Firewire as standard. Joe Bloggs does not want to flaff around with Windows getting his Firewire card to work.
Then again a few PC Mobos out now do feature firewire as standard but its not a 'base config' that developers can assume is going to be there.
Good point about the site though. I dont think Amiga Inc really care about all the outdated info :(
Are You The One? : Comment 24 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 03-May-2002 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (dakang):
Well, there are different ways to see this ..
what exactly can be connected to firewire that cannot be connected by other means (Albeit perhaps slower) in the mean time? Hardware is far more abstracted today than it was back then. Semi related example: If a scanner is connected to USB or Firewire makes no difference to the application other than it's a bit slower on USB. It's simply just a driver issue. Applications can be written without firewire available, but still benefit from firewire if a driver and the appropriate hardware for it is connected.
Back then it was a bit more like; if I wanted midi then I would have to either get a computer with that built in, or buy extra hardware. Today it's more like; if I want a scanner I buy the scanner that can be connected to one of the available interfaces.
I do not feel that the situation today and back then can be compared the way you choose to do.
(No I'm not being offensive)
/Björn
Are You The One? : Comment 25 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by dakang on 03-May-2002 11:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Björn Hagström):
hmmm.. agreed. (and of course no offence taken!) :)
Are You The One? : Comment 26 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 03-May-2002 11:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Björn Hagström):
"what exactly can be connected to firewire that cannot be connected by other means
(Albeit perhaps slower) in the mean time? "
A camcorder.
If we want to ever use Amigas for video again, Firewire is essential.
But as has been said, it can be added on a card.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 03-May-2002 17:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (adavidm):
I don't think Apple has any (real) protection to prevent you to install OSX on a PPC clone. OSX runs on UMAX PULSAR S900 for example.
If anyone do a port of Darwin we may be able to run OSX natively on amigaOne / Pegasos.
If you still do not believe me read this link:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/OSX/os_x_unsupported_macs.html
A port of MOL (I doubt it will be done on AmigaOS/MorphOS) would be good too as you can run OSX at the same time as your main OS. Then you can run XP in virtual PC in OSX in MOL in your Amiga OS ;)
Are You The One? : Comment 28 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by adavidm on 03-May-2002 18:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Christophe Decanini):
Yes, i see your point, but the Umax machine is a licenced clone of the mac, same goes for the Power Computing mac clones. Apple granted licences and ROM code to these dealers to build the machines. Apple then realised that everyone else was making better 'Macs' then them and killed the licence system off.
What would have stopped those dealers carrying on producing systems and just not mentioning Mac compatibility?
Mac OS X is a different kettle of fish I suppost because a lot of work has gone into hardware abstraction, but surely someone would have got this working on one of the other PPC motherboards out there (And to all the nonbelievers yes there are some! and yes, they do use G4 CPUs, and NO, Apple don't make them). I can't believe that no Darwin or Linux hacker has tried to get Mac OS X running on a briQ (http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/briQ/ sorry about the misspelling earlier all). If they had succeeded, then surely Apple would be up in arms and the world+dog would be buying them?
Anyway, its amazing to be even talking about the possibility of running stuff like this on a new Amiga, so lets just relax and see what happens.
Regards
David
Are You The One? : Comment 29 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-May-2002 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (adavidm):
Um, I doubt it has even occurred to them to run OS X on that hardware. What would be the point? Those things are compute nodes, they don't have graphics cards or any of the things you'd want in order to actually use a desktop OS. They are primarily supposed to be connected to a network and used remotely.
The scientific community has pretty much decided that solving massively parallel problems is best done by buying a LOT of Linux boxes and piling them up in corners for people to trip over. Once they realised that you don't need a tower case or even a slimline desktop to contain 1x CPU, RAM, disk and I/O the race was on to cram maximum value hardware into minimum volume.
Tiny drive-bay sized PPC nodes seem like one logical extreme that you could reach with this goal. Hopefully Terra are making some money on this.
Are You The One? : Comment 30 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by adavidm on 05-May-2002 19:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Anonymous):
Yeah, fair point i suppose. But still, there fact that there are NO motherboards running Mac OS X does seem a bit sus to me.
Regards
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