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[News] Interview with FleecyANN.lu
Posted on 03-May-2002 22:18 GMT by Vidar Langberget236 comments
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I've just published an interview with Fleecy Moss.
You can find the normal version here.
And for those using Amiga browsers, use this link.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 202 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 06-May-2002 15:37 GMT
I can't believe how these discussions turn into a thousand people supposedly "knowing" the technical insides of both (AOS4 and MOS) projects.
I can honestly say I don't have a single shread of evidence of whose claim is more true than the other (Hyperion's or MOS team's) and therefore I simply don't go into technical specifics. The best I can do is try to see who seems to be revealing most REAL information and use that to determine who I will believe most.
Something I can say of the interview with fleecy is that he sure didn't give straight answers to some key questions I was very keen on hearing AI's official opinion on. All he had to do was to give a simple yes or no answers, but no... He had to bring Elvis into the picture and in doing that he left the TRUE meaning of his answer to be interprited by the reader.
Personally the company I trust least, is AI because they fail to give a straight answer EVERYTIME they are interviewed about anything else than DE.
Hyperion, thendic and bplan at least all give technical information of their products into the public. (no matter who of them is twisting the sayings of the other company most)
Of course there is always the possibility that Bill&Fleecy don't simply KNOW much of OS4 project and therefore have to resort into mighty sentences which reveal as little information as possible.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 203 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 06-May-2002 15:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 193 (Sharwin & Rakesh Raghoebardayal):
> It seems we must have misunderstood each other and there are quite a few others who did as well.
No, only you, but it's okay. Not everyone have the same sense of irony.
Personally I didn't think it was even possible to miss the poison tone of Ben's
post, but this only reinforces the that one should be aware of the dangers of using
subtleties of language in online forums.
> Why do many of those people post messages if they have nothing intelligent to say?
You yourself just presented a textbook example (maybe it was you being self-ironic this time?)
But unlike most lesser posters, you recognize your error and admit to it. Got to respect that!
.
SlimJim
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 204 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 06-May-2002 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 201 (Kronos):
I wrote "But, as it seems that Frodon isn't satisfied with telling only me this..." for a reason. He's basicly saying it again in this thread as well and now I want it to be verified from a reliable source. I don't see the problem.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 205 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 06-May-2002 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 201 (Kronos):
Hello,
Thanks Kronos.
I've just emailed ANN webmaster to remove the comment because Samface wasn't authorized by me to post this private stuff.
Samface, don't do that again without asking me permission first.
Thanks.
Regards
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 206 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 06-May-2002 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 197 (Samface):
@Samface
Regardless of what is in it and what I might think of the contents, it's
bad form to repost a personal e-mail like that. Remind me to not ever send
you any personal e-mails.
.
SlimJim
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 207 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 06-May-2002 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 204 (Samface):
You could have at least had it sent to ben in a private E-mail instead of posting it here for hundreds of people to see without asking permission from frodon first.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 208 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 06-May-2002 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 199 (Samface):
Wahoo. Happy quote guessing:
Here we go:
"2) I define a hobby-project as a project which is not developed by people who
earn their living producing the software in question. To the best of my
knowledge, there is no MorphOS Inc, Gmbh, Ltd, GBR, OHG etc. You are not
selling anything and you don't have to live from the sales of MorphOS. Hence,
by this definition, MorphOS was (is?) a hobby-project."
Or another one:
"Unless ofcourse you want all former Phase 5 creditors and idiots who pre-paid
for the Cyberstorm NG to come knocking at the door of bPlan."
"Not really emotional but being a lawyer, I occassionally use stronger terms to
get my point across. This works well in court but probably not too well in
everyday life."
And my favorite one:
"> (...), you are not the Messiah of Amiga.
How true...and guess what.
I've never wanted to be one:-)
The "good" roles are so boring and they only win in
hollywood films:-)"
;-)
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 209 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 06-May-2002 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 207 (gz):
Altough, now that it's here I would very much like to see mr.hermans reply :)
The world is small and you never know that you might have a member of AOS or MOS team in your neighbour...
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 210 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 06-May-2002 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 204 (Samface):
I'm pretty sure I'm not the first one which he told this and I'm most definitly not the last either. What I want to see is Frodon telling this to Ben Hermans in person instead of sneaking around their backs like that. Either we will have the statement verified or a rumour will be stopped from spreading any further. What's the problem?
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 211 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 06-May-2002 16:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 208 (David Scheibler):
That last part wasn't me.
I hardly ever use emoticons.
Frodon: I'll say it again, only 5 people know the exact status of the kernel.
Your source isn't one of those people.
Sorry.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 212 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 06-May-2002 16:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 211 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Thank you for the clear up :)
BTW. perhaps you could give a hint to AI, that it might be beneficial for them if they could also try the tacticts you showed above and give a straight answer to a question.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 213 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 06-May-2002 16:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 180 (Anders Kjeldsen):
well this place is called Amiga Network News not fight over legal details
or get heavy into talk about coding.
i dont know are care how amigaOs was coded over the years i just know that the end result is good to me.
do you think ppl go out & buy games for there computer or games console that they pick the title by how it was coded.
the topic is not about how to code but i see a few ppl bring it up all the time about how hyperion are going about it.
there will always be ppl say that the other why is better than the other.
if a thread had coding skills in the topic or legal Mos crap in the topic i would not read it.
or do you think Interview with fleecy means legal chat & heavy deep down codeing info.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 214 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 06-May-2002 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 211 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Hello,
About the pasted message by Samface:
You should take it as false. I was angry and because of that I've invented the most by extrapolating from what I know (that are public information) on AmigaOS 4. I even don't know the project manager guy or anybody else directly involved in OS 4.
So it was a complete bullshit written in a non normal condition because Samface made me angry. That's why i wouldn't have allowed him to put it in public, but he did without my authorization.
I'll stop posting about AmigaOS 4 or MorphOS or anything else Amiga related now as that make me angry and sometimes so react in a non normal condition.
Regards
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 215 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 06-May-2002 16:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 197 (Samface):
The funny part is that, AFAIK, Mr Hermans is OS4 project manager and he would probably die before to say such things about his own product.
So, after Bill Buck, Frodon wants us to believe he knows Benjamin Hermans too ? :-)
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 216 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 06-May-2002 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 191 (Frodon):
>because he didn't understood correctly my point of you
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Can't really blame anybody if they don't understand your english
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 217 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 06-May-2002 16:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 193 (Sharwin & Rakesh Raghoebardayal):
>Why do many of those people post messages if they have nothing
>intelligent to say?
Right. Stop posting!
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 218 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 06-May-2002 16:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 207 (gz):
I'm not saying anything Frodon hasn't already said himself in this thread already. From post #105:
"When he announced the May release date in was in April and the ExecSG and some other key parts of AmigaOS weren't ready at all even some weren't started at all (my source about that is in direct connection with Hyperion)."
Read it carefully while I post this which I DO have permission from Bertrand to post:
"I'll answer you: no it was not really true, it was written when I was angry and I even don't know the guy who manage the AmigaOS 4 project. (This sentence can be posted publicly if you want)."
I have nothing further to say.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 219 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 06-May-2002 16:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 214 (Frodon):
How do you explain post #105 then? Aren't you basicly saying the same thing again but in public this time?
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 220 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 06-May-2002 16:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 219 (Samface):
Hello Samface,
All was explained, I was angry. Now stop with that. Thanks
Regards
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 221 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 06-May-2002 16:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 205 (Frodon):
Okay maybe he shouldn't have posted it without permission, but i fail to see the problem here. There were no personal facts within the e-mail.
Maybe its more to do with the fact that you don't want your rumours to be tested by Mr. Hermans?
Many thanks,
Ian Shurmer
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 222 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 06-May-2002 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 220 (Frodon):
Well, seems like this is more than a one time incident by the looks of things. If it's due to your temper then I suggest that you take a break from ANN for a while. Do you perhaps have a girlfriend to attend?
Please Bertrand, I'm not trying to be patronizing, I'm actually serious. For your own good, do something a bit more relaxing and you might get a bit more balanced view on things. "Wax on, wax off", you know. ;-)
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 223 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 06-May-2002 18:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 214 (Frodon):
well... At least you admit that you were bshitting...
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 224 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 06-May-2002 18:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 218 (Samface):
Ok, you should have put the whole thing there right away. I wouldn't had any problems with it then :)
Sorry for the hassle.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 225 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by wouter on 06-May-2002 18:49 GMT
phew, this place isn't normal anymore. This is just a matter of attacking people personally. I mean, there is hardly any talk about OS4.0 or Morphos, the benefits, the possibilities, the future... Just some childish "ben said that" and "dave said that" and "no, he lied"...
I mean. Read those comments. Is this the future of Amiga? Is this the fantastic Amiga community?
It's just pure bitching at each other. Just dirty lowlevel attacks.
Look at the bros Sharwin and Rakesh (ik heb onlangs nog jullie artikel terug gelezen over de demoscene :) en nee, The gate was niet van Pulse Style maar van Artwork maar toch cool artikel :)). They work on Pegasos/Morphos and they actually show a very professional attitude and so does Ben. The fact that some people don't like him personnally is of no interest to us. Do you love the boss of every firm you buy stuff from?
I'm out of here. What a waiste of time.
Once both systems are out, then it's time to talk, to compare, to make valid statements about each other merits and bad points. Everything before that is just speculation.
bye
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 226 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 06-May-2002 19:47 GMT
just a test
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 227 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-May-2002 23:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 225 (wouter):
"working flat out once more to ensure that OS4.0 and the AmigaOne can now be launched in tandem early in the New Year."
Every year is New at first, and then it gets old. Like these lies.
"A limited number of developer/dealer AmigaOneG3-SE boards will be available for delivery in April"
So strictly limited that it turned out to be none at all
"A realistic date is somewhere in March/April for end users"
It wasn't actually 'real' and it certainly wasn't 'for end users'
On May 16th Ben promises to tell us more about OS 4. That shouldn't be too difficult, but then I said that about the so-called screenshots and his team couldn't manage to make those available for ages, so incompetence knows no bounds.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 228 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 07-May-2002 04:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 164 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> I promise to come up with a new update on OS 4 in the next ten days or so
> including a definitive feature-set, progress update and some screenshots
> from the Roadshow GUI and the HDToolbox replacement (if anybody cares to
> see those).
Are you kidding? OF COURSE we care to see those! :-)
.
SlimJim
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 229 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 07-May-2002 05:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 227 (Anonymous):
Ben Hermans/Hyperion wrote:
> I promise to come up with a new update on OS 4 in the next ten days or so
Mr. Anonymouse wrote:
> On May 16th Ben promises to tell us more about OS 4.
Does anyone else see some sort of "in one ear and out the other" communication breakdown here? I think what anon was trying to say was "On May 6th, Ben promised to tell use more about OS 4 in the next ten days or so".
I'm sick of all this he said/she said crap.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 230 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 07-May-2002 09:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 227 (Anonymous):
Such crap and always written by a man who has no face!
At least you could have a signature, but no...
Why these guys are allowed to write here is beyond me!!
pixie-writing from a paradise called Portugal
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 231 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 07-May-2002 10:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 227 (Anonymous):
Actually Hyperion did have the screenshots way before they got published. Blame AI.
Hmmm.. maybe you try to port an operating system or at least doing some software: then you might have clues why these delays. Also read Ben's earlier statements. They are adding functionality that wasn't even planned for 4.0 release!
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 232 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 07-May-2002 10:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 230 (pixie):
One thing I have never really understood here is that why is it so important for some people that every poster should have a nickname?
How does anonymity in any way change the contents of a post? I mean it's the content that count's... Not the poster's name.
I realize that for some it's easier to flame away being anonyme, but that's not what always happens here on ann. I've seen people insulted just for the sake of them posting anonymous.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 233 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 07-May-2002 12:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 232 (gz):
I think it stems from the fact that people who fit into the following categories hide behind anonymity because they dont want to take responsibility for their remarks:
* Those that just want to stir it up a bit ( trolling )
* Those that believe something but dont have enough facts to back it up
* Those that want to make personal remarks about someone and then come on with their own nick later on without taking the heat
* Those that know something but would be liable if information was disclosed without the protection of anonymity.
Give the average level of IQ on the Amiga community these days I would say that the last category has a stastical likelyhood of 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 of ever occurring.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 234 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 07-May-2002 12:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 222 (Samface):
As a linux-guru I would rather suggest he Xon/Xoff for an hour.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 235 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 07-May-2002 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 200 (Kronos):
>Seems to be that remark Ben had for
>Darklite some months ago.
Nope...for someone else, as I'm from Belgium. Mr Hermans did insult me on several occasions though.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 236 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 07-May-2002 17:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 235 (darklite):
> Mr Hermans did insult me on several occasions though.
After having read your discussions with Mr. Hermans, I doubt you should start
throwing stones like that...
.
SlimJim
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 237 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-May-2002 21:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (AmiTroll):
Well, if you've seen MorphOS it is the old archive that needs an Amiga to run and is basicly a copy of AmigaOS. If you think MorphOS is quite cool, it's because AmigaOS is quite cool. Not trying to flame you, it's just a copy os. But i agree with you on the hardware even if im still buying an AmigaOne board. I like the design of the pegasos (both have good and bad points, i wont bother here) but since my choice of OS is Amiga OS i'll go with the supported hardware. If bPlan comes to agreement with Amiga and the os is made to run on thier hardware they can impress me with thier goods and maybe open my wallet then. For me, this is the only rational choice, to follow the OS as it evolves and not jump ship because i'm not privy to every detail within Hyperion or Amiga Inc. I already like the OS, why shouldnt i buy the hardware? This will be the first of a new breed, i want to get in on the first of them, and i KNOW now i'll be upgrading in the future years. Hopefully just not every 3 months and hopefully a number of boards will be available from different companys. If bPlan wishes to be among them, so much the better. :)
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