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[News] Interview with FleecyANN.lu
Posted on 03-May-2002 22:18 GMT by Vidar Langberget236 comments
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I've just published an interview with Fleecy Moss.
You can find the normal version here.
And for those using Amiga browsers, use this link.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 51 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-May-2002 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Nicolas Sallin):
Nonsense again.
We're going to use multiple emulation tasks, not only single which will all be scheduled by ExecSG.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 52 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-May-2002 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
We explained why the schedule slipped. One of the most important reasons is that we are simply folding most of the 4.2 functionality already into 4.0.
And the fact that we decided to offer more OS modules as PPC native (DOS, layers, shell, Intuition etc.) which were not originally planned.
Add to that the fact that we needed to reproduce some of the 3.9 functionality and you'll know why the schedule slipped.
It's unfortunate but can't be helped.
Software development is moreover not an exact science and this happens to all and every company out there with budgets far greater than the GNP of most African countries.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 53 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 04-May-2002 15:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
It's a joke, isn't it ?
Very good one :-)
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 54 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Anon on 04-May-2002 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Didn't you say using "C" it is just a recompile? What is taking so long?
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 55 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 04-May-2002 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>We explained why the schedule slipped. One of the most important reasons is
>that we are simply folding most of the 4.2 functionality already into 4.0.
Ehem, that would mean that you had a limited working OS4 in Feburary (ExecSG,
68k emulator, etc.), so why does Pentunia run only on WarpUp then at the
moment?
Next question: When will the dev version be available?
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 56 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Anon on 04-May-2002 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Anon):
Sorry. My question reffered to:
"And the fact that we decided to offer more OS modules as PPC native (DOS, layers, shell, Intuition etc.) which were not originally planned."
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 57 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 04-May-2002 15:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (David Scheibler):
>>We explained why the schedule slipped. One of the most important reasons is
>>that we are simply folding most of the 4.2 functionality already into 4.0.
>Ehem, that would mean that you had a limited working OS4 in Feburary (ExecSG,
>68k emulator, etc.), so why does Pentunia run only on WarpUp then at the
>moment?
Ehem, wouldn't taking on a whole new set of features not originally planned to be
until later cause a shift in the workload and allowing for things to be scheduled/completed
in a different order than previously considered?
(Phew, long sentence ;-)
.
SlimJim
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 58 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-May-2002 15:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Anon):
A recompile of C code is simple. OS 3.x and OS 4.0 are source-code compatible.
However, with respect to DOS, there's the BPCL legacy to take care of and the fact that it contains a lot of ASM.
Idem for layers and other components such as lowlevel.library and the devices.
We're trying to stay as compatible as we can. After all, we are producing the true successor of the AmigaOS.
This requires careful consideration and testing.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 59 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 04-May-2002 15:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
[...] with respect to DOS, there's the BPCL legacy to take care of [...]
BPCL? Might one ask what that is?
.
SlimJim
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 60 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 04-May-2002 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (SlimJim):
I would say a finished kernel/emulator/scheduler should be higher on the
priority list than rounded menus.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 61 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-May-2002 15:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (David Scheibler):
Listen David, you do understand that we have 30 people working on OS 4 right?
Not all 30 are working on Intuition or the kernel for that matter.
Work is going on in parallel.
The Intuition team is doing an outstanding job but whatever they are doing or not doing does not affect the work of others in any way.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 62 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 04-May-2002 16:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (SlimJim):
BCPL was a programming lamguage used long before
C went popular. It has a extremly odd way off
handling pointers and strings which makes it hard
to interact with SW written in other languages.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 63 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-May-2002 16:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (SlimJim):
BPCL is an evil ancestor of C.
It's quite horrible but DOS uses it extensively and it's hard to reimplement it in C without breaking a lot of existing software.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 64 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-May-2002 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (David Scheibler):
>Ehem, that would mean that you had a limited working OS4 in Feburary (ExecSG,
>68k emulator, etc.), so why does Pentunia run only on WarpUp then at the
>moment?
We got nothing running on the BlizzardPPC yet and the Petunia author has no Cyberstorm.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 65 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 04-May-2002 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Listen David, you do understand that we have 30 people working on OS 4 right?
Look Ben, people don't care how many programmers are working on a product. They
care what they can buy and what features it has. People believe that they can
get a version of OS4 for AmigaOne this month, people think that they can buy
OS4.0 for BlizzPPC/CSPPC next month.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 66 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-May-2002 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (David Scheibler):
I've ALWAYS said we would release OS 4 first for the Cyberstorm (and hopefully the BlizzardPPC) and then for the AmigaOne.
It's clear that removing the chipset dependencies will take some time although not the many months that some people think it will take.
With the exception of the devices, most chipset dependencies in the OS are found in Exec which is already completely rewritten to be chipset independent.
AHI takes care of sound, P96 takes care of graphics.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 67 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 04-May-2002 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
I know Ben, but just read that quote from amiga.org:
"Hyperion will release OS4 for ALL platforms,i.e. CPPC,BPPC and AmigaOne at the same time. That is what they said."
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 68 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 04-May-2002 17:20 GMT
IIRC, pegasos also uses Articia S.
If G4 has not been tested with Articia S, how dares bplan say that you can have G4 on pegasos?
Oh, forget it, bplan just dares as usual....
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 69 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 04-May-2002 17:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Hello,
You said:
"It's clear that removing the chipset dependencies will take some time although not the many months that some people think it will take."
Are you including Beta testing period? To make a good quality product, beta testing are required and a good beta test take months. Anyway, you are free to sell a non well beta tested product, but I don't think it's a good idea.
Regards
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 70 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Anon on 04-May-2002 17:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (priest):
Look.. Maybe bplan is fully aware of the articaS and its limitations and maybe they dont buy evaluation boards from some far-east manufacturer. Maybe they can design their own boards. Maybe they can write their own firmware. Maybe they have fully control over how the board works. Maybe they are able to see problems in the forefield and react on them. Maybe Eyetech has not all these maybes but only a phonenumber of some far-east company to order boards. Have you thought on this?
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 71 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by .jon on 04-May-2002 18:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
FUD !
The TAO stuff is not included on SHARP out of completly different reasons.
It was too large to fit into the ROM. Plain simple.
If you do not believe me go to irc.openprojects.net#Zaurus and ask there.
They will know...
.jon
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 72 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 04-May-2002 18:33 GMT
Oh this nitpicking would be hysterical if it wasn't so utterly pathetic. Does anyone have a real question or are you just going to argue semantics over and over untill the subject of the post is completely lost? Turrican is trying to tell us that Hyperion haven't got anything done and wont release the os untill mid 2003 and then 2004 for the AmigaOne because he knows all but wont say exactly what. Frodon is saying Hyperion will release a bug ridden piece of work because they dont know how to do a proper port and know nothing about beta testing software but he himself knows better how porting and beta testing is done. Some other guy is even throwing out BS about the Arctica chipset killing the hardware before it's even released and he of course designed it himself! Do you people even think before you make these braindead comments or are you just pissed off that Amiga is a better OS 5 years ago than your precious wincrashXP is today? It's like babysitting a bunch of whineing children. All of whom think they have all the answers and will throw a tantrum if teacher says no, thats the wrong answer. I love how morons can sit back and try to imply that Hyperion are doing nothing but lieing to the public when they themselves know more about writing software than anyone else in the world. Time to wake up guys. Nobody is falling for your FUD about Hyperion failing to create OS4. Go find another pool to piss in.
GRUNT
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 73 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 04-May-2002 18:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Anon):
>Look.. Maybe bplan is fully aware of the articaS and its limitations and maybe they dont buy evaluation boards from some far-east manufacturer. Maybe they can design their own boards. Maybe they can write their own firmware. Maybe they have fully control over how the board works. Maybe they are able to see problems in the forefield and react on them. Maybe Eyetech has not all these maybes but only a phonenumber of some far-east company to order boards. Have you thought on this?
I love the word maybe. It's so versitile. It can do so many things. Especially when used to spread lies and general bullshit.
MAYBE Anon is just blowing smoke out his arse? :)
GRUNT
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 74 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 04-May-2002 18:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (AmiTroll):
>Time to wake up guys. Nobody is falling for your FUD about Hyperion failing to >.create OS4. Go find another pool to piss in.
heh i bet u wrote the same thing when people spoke against your amino church and dared question if amigaone/os4.0 was going to be released november 2001.
oh well the groupies will never giveup hope, even as fleecy sells them a rebadged piece of shit from his toilet
And they will say "amiga gives us the best SHIT in the world .. "
(keep believing amino groupies, i'm sure amino will be eager to steal your money with another party pack ... )
;) imho smiley disclaimer
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 75 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 04-May-2002 18:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>clear that removing the chipset dependencies will take some time although not >.the many months that some people think it will take.
so how long do u think it will take mr hermans? please do not follow amino past policy of 'just around the corner' to keep peoples hopes up or to stop them buying a competing product.
if consumer *quality* aos4 running on a1.5 will take 6 months to complete
then say so and u might have more respect in my books, but whatever you do don't try and release a hacked, unstable and 68k emul dependant os4 just because amino clowns have been promising os4 'real soon now' and have created these stupid expectations that 4.0 is nearly finshed...
perhaps if morph/os4 actually spoke truth about strengths and weaknesses of their respective projects maybe would be a small step to resolution and compromize.
personally i still think mr hermans and mr schmidt need to sit down in a padded room with crayons and take some mdma... ;)
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 76 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Anon on 04-May-2002 19:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (AmiTroll):
Maybe you are right :)
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 77 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 04-May-2002 19:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (cheesegrate):
>heh i bet u wrote the same thing when people spoke against your amino church and dared question if amigaone/os4.0 was going to be released november 2001.
Church? Whos yelling "Repent! The end is near!", me or you? :)
>oh well the groupies will never giveup hope
Nope, so bugger off. I like the OS and i'm going to buy it. If you don't like it tough shit. Go bother someone else. :)
GRUNT
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 78 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 04-May-2002 19:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (AmiTroll):
Hello,
you said:
" I like the OS and i'm going to buy it. If you don't like it tough shit. Go bother someone else. :)"
I like AmigaOS as it was thought and developed by the Commodore Amiga team. And I can't say actually if i'll love the AmigaOS 4.0 because I can't try it and only screenshot of the GUI running on a 68k Amiga is out to give "an idea".
So I can't say now if I'd buy it. I think people that are not involved in the OS 4 development can't really know if it'll be good or not except if they can travel through time or are god and know already what will be the final product ;-)
Anyway I've time to think and before that I'll try MorphOS and the Pegasos because I'm not interested by the AmigaOne first version hardware (maybe the second version will be interesting particularly if it's Teron PX based) and I've already used MorphOS and find it quite cool. So the AmigaOS 4.x to be interesting for me have first to become available (of course, to be able to see it on a friend's AmigaOne ;) ) and second the AOne second version come out. I don't take decision on "wind" or words. I think it's the most rational way of thinking ;-) (It's my opinion).
Regards
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 79 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 04-May-2002 21:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Frodon):
>I like AmigaOS as it was thought and developed by the Commodore Amiga team. And I can't say actually if i'll love the AmigaOS 4.0 because I can't try it and only screenshot of the GUI running on a 68k Amiga is out to give "an idea".
So did i, thats why i bought one to begin with. And i've owned or coded on a number of machines. From an Amiga box to a Zenith laptop. (a to z get it? :)) I've liked AmigaOS since i first saw it and I'll continue to follow it just because its fun to code for and use. No religious fanaticism about it. I just like the darn thing. But if you ran 3.9 you pretty much know what 4.0 will look like. Only its going to be on PPC. No power/warp/up kernal to get in the way. Native PPC. And with the enhancements to intuition, dos, etc, etc its going to be more than just a port to PPC hardware, it's an upgraded OS. More than we were promised.
>So I can't say now if I'd buy it. I think people that are not involved in the OS 4 development can't really know if it'll be good or not except if they can travel through time or are god and know already what will be the final product ;-)
True, but if you liked AmigaOS before, you will like it more now. Those screenshots you mentioned were dead ugly color combo and wont be the default. But, it did say those were only to show the new features of the gui because some people were complaining. If you read the text, some things weren't shown at all and even more work to the OS is being done than can be shown on the gui at all. It's all eyecandy anyway but who dosn't like changeing about thier workbench or desktop now and then right?
>Anyway I've time to think and before that I'll try MorphOS and the Pegasos because I'm not interested by the AmigaOne first version hardware (maybe the second version will be interesting particularly if it's Teron PX based) and I've already used MorphOS and find it quite cool. So the AmigaOS 4.x to be interesting for me have first to become available (of course, to be able to see it on a friend's AmigaOne ;) ) and second the AOne second version come out. I don't take decision on "wind" or words. I think it's the most rational way of thinking ;-) (It's my opinion).
Well, if you've seen MorphOS it is the old archive that needs an Amiga to run and is basicly a copy of AmigaOS. If you think MorphOS is quite cool, it's because AmigaOS is quite cool. Not trying to flame you, it's just a copy os. But i agree with you on the hardware even if im still buying an AmigaOne board. I like the design of the pegasos (both have good and bad points, i wont bother here) but since my choice of OS is Amiga OS i'll go with the supported hardware. If bPlan comes to agreement with Amiga and the os is made to run on thier hardware they can impress me with thier goods and maybe open my wallet then. For me, this is the only rational choice, to follow the OS as it evolves and not jump ship because i'm not privy to every detail within Hyperion or Amiga Inc. I already like the OS, why shouldnt i buy the hardware? This will be the first of a new breed, i want to get in on the first of them, and i KNOW now i'll be upgrading in the future years. Hopefully just not every 3 months and hopefully a number of boards will be available from different companys. If bPlan wishes to be among them, so much the better. :)
GRUNT
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 80 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Ruediger Hanke on 04-May-2002 21:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Frodon):
>Are you including Beta testing period? To make a good quality product, beta testing
>are required and a good beta test take months. Anyway, you are free to sell a non well
>beta tested product, but I don't think it's a good idea.
*sigh* You know Mr. Hermans' attitude. It's C. When it works on 68k, it's just in need
of a little compiler run. Then you've got a working and stable AmigaOne PPC-OS. There's no
need to test anything before releasing because it's C and if it works on 68k and a CSPPC,
it works anywhere after a recompile, ok? If there are bugs, it's probably something in the
compiler. I guess he'd rather sue the GCC makers' asses than to look in his source when
it isn't immediately working on an AmigaOne.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 81 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 04-May-2002 21:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Ruediger Hanke):
>*sigh* You know Mr. Hermans' attitude. It's C. When it works on 68k, it's just in need
of a little compiler run. Then you've got a working and stable AmigaOne PPC-OS. There's no
need to test anything before releasing because it's C and if it works on 68k and a CSPPC,
it works anywhere after a recompile, ok? If there are bugs, it's probably something in the
compiler. I guess he'd rather sue the GCC makers' asses than to look in his source when
it isn't immediately working on an AmigaOne.
Here we go again with the garbage about no beta testing. Yes they are beta testing. This very minute in fact.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 82 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 04-May-2002 21:36 GMT
Well I wonder why they even bother at all. They should just stick everyone with what they have and move on. What's the point??? To be the constant target of ridicule and flames from this so-called "Amiga Community"? I wouldn't even bother at all. Go use your 68k machines with AmigaOS 1.x 2.x or 3.x and when you are ready to move on, then just get use to Windows or MacOS, cause that's all you deserve.
All it seems that are left are a bunch of spoiled whinning brats who can't wait to open thier Christmas present and will throw a tantrum, stomping their heels and holding their breath until mommy says ok, even though it's only December 5th! What a sad bunch of loosers the "Amiga Community" has come to be.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 83 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 04-May-2002 21:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Tony Gore):
>Well I wonder why they even bother at all. They should just stick everyone with what they have and move on. What's the point??? To be the constant target of ridicule and flames from this so-called "Amiga Community"? I wouldn't even bother at all. Go use your 68k machines with AmigaOS 1.x 2.x or 3.x and when you are ready to move on, then just get use to Windows or MacOS, cause that's all you deserve.
I heard that. :) I'll guess that the majority of these people crying about everything under the sun dont even use amiga systems. :)
>All it seems that are left are a bunch of spoiled whinning brats who can't wait to open thier Christmas present and will throw a tantrum, stomping their heels and holding their breath until mommy says ok, even though it's only December 5th! What a sad bunch of loosers the "Amiga Community" has come to be.
No, most ppl dont even bother cuz they see this for what it is, a handfull of trolls spreading FUD and dumping on everything amiga. I agree 100% with you on one thing though, they are definatly childish. Know where i can get a big paddle? :)
GRUNT
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 84 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 04-May-2002 22:00 GMT
"Know where i can get a big paddle? :) "
Well, a big ole "hickory stick" would do the trick as well. :D
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 85 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 04-May-2002 22:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (AmiTroll):
Hello AmiTroll,
When I said that I don't know what AmigaOS 4 will be or that I find MorphOS cool, it's not just a matter of look and feel. It also include the OS design.
What I don't know with AmigaOS 4 is a well is the OS design as it'll be redesigned from scratch (new kernel...etc), do you understand?
I like MorphOS not just because it is like AmigaOS, it effectivily enter in consideration a lot, but that's not the only thing that enter in consideration. What I like in MorphOS is that it feature a really cool well featured new kernel (Quark) and already adopt the API compatible layer design for AmigaOS 3.x compatibility (What is planned only in AmigaOS 5 according to Amiga Inc technical documentation). I find that it's a really clean design. I don't know how really is the design of AmigaOS 4.0, I just know that it doesn't feature an API compatible layer for the OS 3.x compatibility and prefer to re-use exec and other APIs directly. But I don't know how clean or not they will be implemented.
That's why I can't say for now if I'll like the AmigaOS design. For now I just can say that I like the MorphOS design very much but I'm open to AmigaOS 4 if it prove to have also a good design.
I can understand that you don't care about this design stuffs yourself, but respect that I care them personally and some others also.
Regards
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 86 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 04-May-2002 22:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (AmiTroll):
Hello AmiTroll,
"Here we go again with the garbage about no beta testing. Yes they are beta testing. This very minute in fact."
Of course and obviously. Beta testing are of course needed during the development, but also when the complete product is finished to try to avoid bugs between all parts of the OS and more particularly and the target hardware to test the drivers and hardware support.
That's why even if there is beta testing currently tested on 68k during the development it have to be also made when the product is complete on the targeted hardware. And to be well made it have to take some time. That's why I think personally that AmigaOS 4 have to be made available not before end of this year or start of next year (for AmigaOne) and not before fall for current PPC cards to include a good beta testing period because at the time I speak we know that it's not ready even for PPC cards for current Amigas and if the beta testing on the target hardware is well made (on PPC cards so) AmigaOS 4 can't be ready in a good quality form before this fall for PPC cards.
Of course that's my opinion and anybody here can disagree, but as usual I ask you to respect it because it's a respectable opinion ;-)
Regards
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 87 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 04-May-2002 22:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Tony Gore):
from first impressions i would agree with you BUT!
its not the 68k ppl moaning its ppl who has moved on to PC,
that maybe now & then boot there old amiga or run an amiga emu on the pc,
or ppl who like Morphos.
the pc ppl want amigaos to go x86.
the Morphos followers are trying to get existing amiga ppl to go MorphOs,
& the reason i say that is cos MorphOs followers always comment on AmigaOS4 threads even tho amigaOs4 will have nothing to do with them when they are
useing the Os they like wich is MorphOs so why should it matter to them if AmigaOs4 will be crap or not, as they dont want it anyway,
so the only conlusion there is to make make amigaOs 4 look bad at every turn to get amiga ppl to move over the Morphos.
the pc have a bit more valid point only slightly tho.
as some are not happy with windows, but would like to run AmigaOs on the pc.
anyway you will not see me going on windows,Mac,linux, saying how bad them Oses are as i dont use them so its not my problem.
the ppl who are or who are going to should be the ones saying whats bad & what needs improving.
i have never said that Morphos is crap or bad & as it does not intrest me.
& i say use what ever OS you want but dont knock me or anyother for wanting AmigaOs4, just because you dont want it.
but i will defend my choice when needed.
the amiga only ppl mostly dont bother even reading ann now let alone commenting.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 88 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 04-May-2002 23:06 GMT
Hello,
You must be an AmigaOS 4 fan ;)
You said:
"so the only conlusion there is to make make amigaOs 4 look bad at every turn to get amiga ppl to move over the Morphos."
Ok but let's restablish the truth as this is only the half of the truth ;-)
Yes there are some MorphOS fan that try to influence others but not all.
And there are also AmigaOS 4 followers that try to make MorphOS look bad TOO (Ben Hermans included) by saying that it's illegal, it's a bad copy or other stupid stuffs (I mean, as stupid as some MorphOS fans can say sometimes on AmigaOS 4).
And that's why some of MorphOS fans try to restablish the truth by replying to this posts (like me). That is the same in other way ;-)
But of course there will always be some MorphOS fans saying bullshits on AmigaOS 4 and AmigaOS 4 fans saying bullshits on MorphOS just because there are always what i call "stupid people" because this is the diversity of the humanity ;-)
Sorry if the very little part of philosophy on humanity can disturb some people but that's the reality and I like to philosophy sometime ;-)
Regards
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 89 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 04-May-2002 23:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Frodon):
AmigaOs4 ppl only start against Mos when Mos ppl knock AmigaOs4 on an amigaOs4 thread.
& i only notice bens comments about Mos when the AmigaOs4 thread has already gone AmigaOs Vs Mos.
i have never known ben to start talking about MOS first.
you will not see ben comment about Mos on a MOS thread unless ppl bring in amigaos4 into it &
in someway trying to knock amigaos4 first
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 90 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 04-May-2002 23:34 GMT
Hello alkemyst,
"AmigaOs4 ppl only start against Mos when Mos ppl knock AmigaOs4 on an amigaOs4 thread"
Not fully true sorry. Some MorphOS thread have been flamed by AmigaOS 4 first like Samface and others.
So don't just look at the half of the truth. Some MorphOS fans are not more "evil" than some AmigaOS 4 fans. That's what is the reality.
Regards
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 91 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 04-May-2002 23:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Frodon):
& to add i see alot more MOS knock amigaOs4 than amigaOs4 ppl knock MOS.
MOS seem to start it off first most of the time.
i wonder how many amigaos4 fan go over to morphos.news.de
& start knocking MOS & start the flame wars.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 92 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 04-May-2002 23:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Frodon):
i did say most of the time. MOS start it of first.
i did not say all the time did i
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 93 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 04-May-2002 23:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Alkemyst):
Hello Alkemyst,
Yes you did. Anyway recently Samface particularly have almost caught up the MorphOS fans advantage on this side IMHO ;-)
Just look on the recent MorphOS posts. Anyway actually most of the MorphOS fans don't really flame on AmigaOS 4 when a post about it come. They just give their opinion on some part like the announced schedule...etc. And their opinions are often respectable.
I personally also think that the announced release date for May isn't realistic at least if we want AmigaOS 4 to be a quality product. This is not flaming at all about AmigaOS 4, this is a respectable opinion of a realistic guy IMHO.
Regards
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 94 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 05-May-2002 00:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Frodon):
well that just as bad
as aos4 will have nothing to do with mos ppl why the hell do they care if its late or not.
like why would i give a damn if the next windows release will be on time or not.
or how good the next linux distro is.
as i use amigaos them questions juast dont matter.
the question from the Mos ppl is not of real intrest its to make amigaos4 look bad.
but may be i should start doing the same as the MOS ppl but
go into linux & Mac & windows forums & say this is late & that is late but the next AmigaOS will ontime so all go amigaOs.
on every thread & see how well they take that.
& as i see it your a MOS fan.
so you would say that constant questions about AOs4 is ok.
there are more questions about amigaOS 4 from Mos ppl than ppl who want AmigaOs4.
the ppl who want amigaOs4 ask questions on the ML.
why dont the MOS ppl ask questions on the amigaOs4 ML.
is the question is with in reason from MOS ppl then there would be then asking it on the amigaos4 ML.
the reason why few amigaOs4 ppl ask any real questions about amigaos4 here anymore is cos.
they mostly get a reply from a MOS guy who really dont know what is really going on with amigaos4
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 95 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Bert on 05-May-2002 00:29 GMT
Bleh..
What if every time that someone states a wrong 'fact' about Amiga or AmigaOS 4 or whines without a good argument/reason, etc. the price for the next Amiga that the poster will buy goes up US$ 10?
Hyperion developed software before, right (even if perhaps not an OS)? Then to me it sounds totally improbable that they would not more or less thoroughly test OS4 before they'd bring it out. What's more, Amiga states that they do thorough quality testing, and I can hardly imagine that they would not test the finished OS 4 themselves too. They are experienced software developers, so why do people assume things that would fit totally unexperienced developers???
Also, if parts of the OS are developed on a 68k Amiga, it doesn't say much about the status of OS4/PPC, I think.
Also, if they show screenshots with colours you don't like, and they state that such things are totally changeable, then why whine about the colours?
Furthermore, if a hardware developer uses a ready made design of a mainboard and change it to their likings (or don't change it at all), why would that be worse than when they make their own one? If they designed one themselves, and leave the design because another design is better and they can use that other design, then that's a tough/brave but sensitive decision, I think.
And... be glad they use different people for different parts of the OS. If one part is more important to finish than another, why would they stop the developer developing less important parts? The latter developer often can't just go in and help developing the more important parts.
Anyway, I liked the interview. :-) Fleecy is very cautious. In my view, it's too bad that we can't know dates/estimates, but it seems clear that he just can't give those, and lots of people are supposedly glad that he doesn't give dates.
One thing I wonder about is the supposed lack of FireWire in the A1, while the Zico specs state FireWire as a minimum feature. No FireWire as a standard would be too bad if you ask me, although I'm glad they don't fill another of the few PCI slots with a firewire card as standard just to meet the specs.
Regards,
Bert ('69)
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 96 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 05-May-2002 06:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Bert):
i think the zico spec is for running amiga-DE
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 97 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Glames on 05-May-2002 07:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Frodon):
Hi,
I fully disagree :(
For me it is more a - settling of scores - than a real debate.
David, I don't know but Nicolas is a "MorphOS man" (even if it is a bit caricatural) who HATES Ben Hermans. I suppose it's the same for David.
I think they don't respect work of OS4 men (Hyperion is not the only one to work on it) by continually denigrate OS4 and everything related. When you know that they are "pro-MorphOS", you understand.
Personnaly, they don't give me the will to know MorphOS with such an disrecpectful attitude :( I hope not all men working on MorphOS spread such a big time to say that kind of thing on Ann.lu.
You can like MorphOS, You can like AmigaOS, you can like both. But you have to respect work. David, Nicolas: shame on you !(it's my personnal feeling)
Now, to speak about AmigaOS 4.0:
I'd like to have a real state of AmigaOS 4.0
with a date for developper release
for end-user release
For the moment, we have nothing :(
But I send by best wishes to all men who are working on AmigaOS 4.0 anh ope that Ben Hermans give us soon more details about date release.
Tchao,tchao
Glames
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 98 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Casper on 05-May-2002 07:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Anon):
>Look.. Maybe bplan is fully aware of the articaS and its limitations and maybe they dont buy evaluation boards from some far-east manufacturer.
I don't really understand this negativity toward far-east motherboard manufacturers. Considering that a vast majority of motherboards produced are made in the far-east, you would think that these people would know how to put together a good motherboard. I would think there's a lot more experienced people there then there are here in Europe.
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 99 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Casper on 05-May-2002 07:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Bert):
>One thing I wonder about is the supposed lack of FireWire in the A1, while the Zico specs state FireWire as a minimum feature.
I don't know if this has changed recently but Apple has charged a ridiculously high license fee for FireWire, making it really expensive to use. Maybe this is why it's not in the A1 (and perhaps the Zico specs?).
Interview with Fleecy : Comment 100 of 236ANN.lu
Posted by Turrican on 05-May-2002 07:29 GMT
Dear fellows,
I'm happy to see some of you begin to understand that despite all the good will and efforts put into the AmigaOS 4, Mr. Hermans has no clue about the exact timeframe and the release date.
Concerning the hardware, I promise bad suprises when trying to make run the kernel on it, as someone said on this thread, not everything works first time in the computer industry. This will be badly the case with the AOne.
We will meet again in a few weeks, to unfortunately see the reality : OS 4 and the AmigaOne still not available, and maybe also the Pegasos and Morphos. Don't hold your breath, don't believe what you're told by the Amiga VIPs (including Morphos&bPlan people). They released 68k screenshots stating this is the new intuition running on OS 4 PPC. Just imagine what nice story they can invent in the following weeks. Pegasos was to be sold in January or February, we're in may and still nothing. Even if they claim OS 4 is over and will be available in a few days, don't hold your breath...
Time will tell if I'm right or wrong.
Your avenger,
Turrican
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