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Posted on 10-May-2002 18:37 GMT by Christophe Decanini48 comments
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From The Register: Mr. Ben Hermans posted to ANN.lu about "spill the beans" over Matrox G1000 for OS4. You can find out more on the register article here.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 1 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Marcus Sundman on 10-May-2002 16:41 GMT
C'mon!
a) This G1000 is getting a bit annoying already, gathering 1+ posts/day.
b) That link was already reported yesterday:
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1020929825&category=forum&18#message18
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 2 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Marcus Sundman on 10-May-2002 16:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Marcus Sundman):
Err.. actually the link was reported today, not yesterday.
Perhaps ANN should maintain a list of posted links so that people can check if a link they're about to post already has been posted.
The search should also support comments. (And why on earth is it so slow? Why not use an indexer if it can't be made faster otherwise?)
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 3 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 10-May-2002 17:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Marcus Sundman):
I have provided this news item not because of the (redundant) information but because:
* ANN comments have been reported in a major computer site:
It shows that The Register moderators are reading some Amiga sites ,that they did some research on Ben Hermans.
* It shows how these sites get their rumours:
I don't think that they checked with him before publishing. I don't think Ben wanted to share this "inside information" with the rest of the world like it was written on ANN.
* It shows that our little Amiga world is not closed to the whole world
As soon as you speak in the name of your company you have to be cautious with what you say. A little sentence that is pro/against someone/something can be the end of a commercial relationship.
* It may cause some positive/negative reactions
"What the Amiga is not dead ? It can run on PPC and use latest gfx card ?"
"What the ****, x86 is the best, these Amigans are idiots"
...
* I guess that some people reading ANN will think this interesting.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 4 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 10-May-2002 17:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Marcus Sundman):
> The search should also support comments. (And why on earth is it so slow? Why > not use an indexer if it can't be made faster otherwise?)
Searching comments was planned at some point in time. I guess it's just that these new features need time and determination, a varying degree of which I've been lacking ever since around 1998 :)
A comments search would be really slow, there are currently 3500 files, with around 30 MB of text data and what might be a hundred thousand comments (the last number being a very vague guess). I don't really see any way to index that...
The normal search is slow because, once again, a few thousand files need to be opened and parsed. I suppose an index could be used for that, but until now I didn't see the need for that, considering how little the search was used.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 5 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 10-May-2002 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Marcus Sundman):
A considerable percentage of ANN visitors do not religiously follow the comments section, hence a new posting on the main page is justified.
And what I want to know, anyway, is why CzAN is getting a direct link and ANN isn't. :)
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 6 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 10-May-2002 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Christian Kemp):
Yes these were good reasons I forgot :)
It is funny that ANN is linked on CZAN linked in The Register linked in ANN again. Maybe CZAN will link this new post again, Ben Hermans will add some comments that will be posted again on the Register ...
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 7 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 10-May-2002 17:57 GMT
HOLD THE FRONT PAGE!!!
The Register is about to report that ANN reported a story in which The Register covered an ANN story which linked to a site containing a hoax announcement regarding the specifications of a new Matrox card. No other than Ben Hermans of Hyperion confirmed that the specifications were not a hoax, and the card will wipe away the evil nVidia competition.
Meanwhile, in a frenzy of breaking news, Amiga.org report the hoax specifications and later report The Register reporting ANN reporting the hoax.
Have a break. Have a Kit-Kat...
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 8 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 10-May-2002 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Bill Hoggett):
I will admit that I never thought that The Reg would pick up on that post of mine.
I do stand by the content of it (but not the anti nVIDIA biais that was reported on the Reg).
I never considered this post to be newsworthy in the slightest but apparently some people decided otherwise.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 9 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by ANoneeMouse on 10-May-2002 18:39 GMT
Way to go Ben !!
The BIG FINGER is pointing @ you
" Itssssssssssssss Yoooooooooooooooooooo "
:D
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 10 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 10-May-2002 19:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (ANoneeMouse):
Ben has won the lottery? Cool!
Anyway, when will the next raft of AmigaOS4 screenshots emerge on the web?
Graham
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 11 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 10-May-2002 19:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Graham):
Forget those pictures.... We need a status report, thats much more important than screenshots that could just aswell be OS3.9 with birdie/etc..
So Ben.. any news you want to share with us (and the Register:-)
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 12 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 10-May-2002 20:21 GMT
Reading http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1052%20 I found this:
http://www.3dchipset.com/news.shtml#newsitem1020969880,11223,
"I caught a couple of NV30 specs for you. First the RAM will be running at
900Mhz. Secondly, they are claiming at this point 200 million polys per
second."
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 13 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 10-May-2002 20:23 GMT
graphics cards............and next month the competition will......
By the time there is an Amiga corps product........Well remember the MMC....
And to think I'm still using an A4000....meaning I don't need to be on the so called cutting edge... uh err.....waiting on the so called cutting edge....
Like buying a new car, as soon as you drive it off the lot it is worth 5 grand less.....better to wait and buy used, or in the case of computers..Wait tille the price drops and the bugs are exposed.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 14 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Steff on 10-May-2002 20:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Don't worry about it Ben.
They obviously don't know what they are talking about otherwise they would have made the connection with the Nvidia statement and the fact that OS4 won't be getting drivers for Nvidia cards.
It's just a practical situation where amigans are mainly interested in graphics cards that will be supported by the OS.
And if you say you've seen this card and what it can do then I believe you 100%.
So I don't understand all this talk about a hoax. Then again they don't know you so once again they are on unshakey ground.
Pretty bad journalism for a newsite imho.
:)
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 15 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Duncan Snowden on 10-May-2002 22:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Christophe Decanini):
I think you were right. Some of us don't read all the messages every day, just the "front page", so we sometimes miss interesting stuff like this.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 16 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 10-May-2002 22:27 GMT
Well, I fully believe Ben has seen/has info on the card. Which according to the conversations over at Matrox forums, will probably be called "Parhelia" (according to the moderator there). He didn't give the name but said it would be a single word, and the name of the chipset...soooo...
He also told someone there that he believed that some cards were already in the hands of hardware review sites, as well as developers. So Ben should be safe! ;)
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 17 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 10-May-2002 22:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Steff):
He never said he saw a card using this chip.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 18 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 10-May-2002 22:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Nicolas Sallin):
"He never said he saw a card using this chip."
Ummm, really? Read the thread below:
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1020847824&category=forum#message5
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 19 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Ian@home on 10-May-2002 22:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (3seas):
But for 5 grand loss you get a great smelling car that you know hasn`t been crashed or abused. My Astra coupe is touching a year old now and was worth every penny. Just pre ordered a Mini Cooper S for the wife so that new smell will be back again soon.....
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 20 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Chal on 10-May-2002 23:27 GMT
Ben rules!
You anti-hyperion ppl should buy macs... or go to morphOS... oh wait.. you're already MOS supporters!!
seriously.. wtf is MoS anyway.. as a long time amiga supporter i could not care less about MOS. It's dead in my eyes.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 21 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 11-May-2002 03:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Chal):
Dead or DEad? :^)
Dammy
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 22 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by cybereye on 11-May-2002 04:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Tony Gore):
He did says he seen the card. He may have seen the chip, but He didn't says what chip in the card that he have seen it. So I "ASSUME" he seen the chip.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 23 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-May-2002 05:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Ian@home):
Exactly ... Well worth the extra dosh. My car (L Reg) is now 9 years old. I bought it from new so its only my feet thats got the carpet mucky!!
How do people stuff their vehicles so easily, Mine now has 98900 on odo, has ORIGINAL clutch, brake pads & exhaust. Oh, I just had to change the battery. (I work too far away to take a chance on it not starting @ 03:00).
Soon gonna be time to get a new one, although I'm loath to spending 14000 on a normal, run of the mill vehicle. (Thats 42,000 aussie dollars) I'd rather import some BIG aussie Iron for half the dosh.
Would you rather hear the "Zing Zing Zingy" of a high performance four pot or the deep low down rumble of a V8? (thought so, Game over) Shut the sound system off & just listen to that!!
Anyway ...Bit off topic, but then .. its nine years since I had a new car, Its about 10 since I had a new Amiga. So I DONT mind paying extra for that "SPECIAL SOMETHING".
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 24 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 11-May-2002 07:32 GMT
Check this out...
http://www.icrontic.com/index.php?page=public/articles&articleId=194
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 25 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 11-May-2002 08:45 GMT
Usual under researched gabble from the egomaniacs at the Reg.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 26 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 11-May-2002 08:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (cybereye):
Well, the card was already shown at GDC running a preview version of DirectX9.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 27 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 11-May-2002 09:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (cybereye):
"He did says he seen the card. He may have seen the chip, but He didn't says what chip in the card that he have seen it. So I "ASSUME" he seen the chip."
Right...but what card and chip were the topic of the thread? He was talking about "G1000" or "Parhelia" as it will ultimately be known. And Dave S. is right, the card was shown at the Game Developers Conference already demoing DX9. I saw a couple of .mpg clips from a Japanese website, but nothing that I could read.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 28 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by windtalkers on 11-May-2002 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (David Scheibler):
>Secondly, they are claiming at this point 200 million polys per second."
That's it? ;-)
Seriously now, who really needs that kind of power?
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 29 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 11-May-2002 12:19 GMT
http://forums.matroxusers.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32858
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 30 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 11-May-2002 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Graham):
Sweet! Thanks for the link Graham
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 31 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by szutoman on 11-May-2002 14:34 GMT
Well, i guess the AmigaOne will be able to sPort three moinitors. great. Now all we need are aps to take advantage of this POWER(-:
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 32 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 11-May-2002 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (windtalkers):
Who wants that kind of power?
People who want to play games set in forests rather than in dungeons.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 33 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 11-May-2002 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Tony Gore):
Read his post again. Please, take care to the words used.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 34 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Gingerbread Man on 11-May-2002 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (windtalkers):
>>Secondly, they are claiming at this point 200 million polys per second."
>That's it? ;-)
>
>Seriously now, who really needs that kind of power?
Nobody really NEEDS that kind of power. So, all you hardware companies out
there: PLEASE STOP INNOVATING!!!
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 35 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 11-May-2002 18:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Nicolas Sallin):
"Read his post again. Please, take care to the words used."
Yeah? What about them? It's clear to me and everyone else what he is talking about. If your trying to start a "nit-pick" over the individual precise words (ie. he never said "I saw" and he never said the word "G1000" or "Parhelia") then go tell it to someone else.
He made a point that it is a real product. Even if his words did not say "I have seen the Parhelia chip running on a Matrox G1000", it was the product in discussion to which he was replying. And his statement of "We've seen it in action already" is self inclusive, meaning he has seen it as well. :)
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 36 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 11-May-2002 18:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Tony Gore):
Bah, think what you want.
"We" isn't "I"
He just reported what a person who really saw the chip in action told
him. Btw, he should have corrected the G1000 name. Matrox decided to
not use this kind of number name anymore.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 37 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 11-May-2002 19:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Nicolas Sallin):
> Btw, he should have corrected the G1000 name. Matrox decided to
> not use this kind of number name anymore.
I wonder if that is because Ati uses numbers over 7000 now. guess some poor fools would think "1000 that sucks". The same reason for the name A600, but that really did suck :)
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 38 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 11-May-2002 20:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Nicolas Sallin):
"Bah, think what you want. "
And you do the same.
"We" isn't "I"
we
\We\ (w[=e]), pron.; pl. of I. [Poss. Our (our) or Ours (ourz); obj. Us ([u^]s). See I.] [As. w[=e]; akin to OS. w[=i], OFries. & LG. wi, D. wij, G. wir, Icel. v[=e]r, Sw. & Dan. vi, Goth. weis, Skr. vayam. [root]190.] The plural nominative case of the pronoun of the first person; the word with which a person in speaking or writing denotes a number or company of which he is one, as the subject of an action expressed by a verb.
"He just reported what a person who really saw the chip in action told
him. Btw, he should have corrected the G1000 name. Matrox decided to
not use this kind of number name anymore."
_Could_ be true, but he didn't say that. As far as the name, you are right. Haig over at Matrox has said that they will not use numbers and it will be a single word, and that most already knew it. My guess is "Parhelia". But then again, I guess the rest of us will have to wait until Tuesday to find out everything.
Anyway, good to know something nice is on the way from Matrox. This other stuff is just "filler" until we know more.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 39 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 11-May-2002 20:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (dammy):
>Dead or DEad? :^)
Orphos has been DElt it's DEvilishly DElightful and DEstructful DErthy DEath.
Now say that 20 times while patting your head. ;]
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 40 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 12-May-2002 09:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (tinman):
No, it's because they will be using a different core now.
It's no longer an evolution of the "G" core they've been using.
G200, 400, 450, 550 etc.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 41 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Blom on 12-May-2002 09:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Tony Gore):
> But then again, I guess the rest of us will have to wait until Tuesday
> to find out everything.
Use the fish, Luke: <URL:http://ixbt.com/video2/matrox-parhelia512.shtml>
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 42 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Blom on 12-May-2002 09:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Martin Blom):
... or even better, read the english translation:
<URL:http://ixbt-labs.com/articles/matroxparhelia512/index.html>
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 43 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 12-May-2002 10:16 GMT
evem better still read this.
http://www.digit-life.com/articles/matroxparhelia512/index.html
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 44 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 12-May-2002 11:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Alkemyst):
>http://www.digit-life.com/articles/matroxparhelia512/index.html
*thud*
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 45 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 12-May-2002 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (KenH):
well the url was not the same , but they both lead to the same place & like i would know.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 46 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 12-May-2002 12:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Alkemyst):
>well the url was not the same , but they both lead to the same place & like i would know.
The thud was actually my jaw hitting the ground while looking at the features.
Although, I wonder about the reporters reporting ability on the subject considering his bad english in places. Maybe they're just typos though.
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 47 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 12-May-2002 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (KenH):
yeah the features are good. but Ati & nvaida blah blah will be comming out with there new cards around the same time.
so at test Amiga will have the chance to use 2 of the top brand cards.
if things go to plan
The Register : Amiganauts rave over Matrox G1000 : Comment 48 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 12-May-2002 13:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Alkemyst):
"so at test Amiga will have the chance to use 2 of the top brand cards.
if things go to plan"
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