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Posted on 11-May-2002 08:44 GMT by Mikey C27 comments
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"Humph! humph! Humphhhh! hurrghhh! Humph! hurgh!!!!"

That's Alan Redhouse of Eyetech, the man behind the AmigaOne.
Alan writes for Total Amiga Magazine and in the May issue he reveals exclusive new information on the AmigaOne not seen anywhere else before! Sadly for Alan, he will have to stay gagged until every issue of Total Amiga Magazine is sold before we let him go. "humph, hurrgh!" Stop the cruelty, Free Alan Redhouse, buy a copy of Total Amiga Magazine now. Total Amiga Magazine is out May 17th and can be purchased from Eyetech and Computer City. Alternatively you can subscribe via Fore-matt home computing and Kicksoft, or from our website http://www.totalamiga.org Total Amiga Magazine, it is, are you?

Total Amiga Magazine - World Exclusive! : Comment 1 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 11-May-2002 07:07 GMT
(Whoops Sorry, the formatting is all over the place - it should have
looked like this)
Total Amiga Magazine World Exclusive!
"Humph! humph! Humphhhh! hurrghhh! Humph! hurgh!!!!"
That's Alan Redhouse of Eyetech, the man behind the AmigaOne.
Alan writes for Total Amiga Magazine and in the May issue he reveals exclusive new information on the AmigaOne not seen anywhere else before!
Sadly for Alan, he will have to stay gagged until every copy of Total Amiga Magazine is sold before we let him go.
"humph, hurrgh!"
Stop the cruelty, Free Alan Redhouse, buy a copy of Total Amiga Magazine now.
Total Amiga Magazine is out May 17th and can be purchased from Eyetech and Computer City.
Alternatively you can subscribe via Fore-matt home computing and Kicksoft, or from our website http://www.totalamiga.org
Total Amiga Magazine, it is, are you?
Total Amiga Magazine - World Exclusive! : Comment 2 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 11-May-2002 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Mikey C):
No. Ive got a few Amigas here, a couple of Wintels as well as Wamds and a few midrange server boxes. But Ill still subscribe if you really want me to.
Total Amiga Magazine - World Exclusive! : Comment 3 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 11-May-2002 14:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (DaveW):
Tell you what Dave, have this one on me, I'll sort it out for you
soon.
(If I still have your postal address....)
Mikey C
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Posted by cOrpse on 11-May-2002 14:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Mikey C):
Please let alan go !! we went those amiga one dev boards sent out asap :)
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Posted by smithy on 11-May-2002 16:15 GMT
Is MickeyC the editor of Total Amiga Magazine?
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-May-2002 18:10 GMT
Hmm is that the last AMiga English mag?
Does it have a CD?
Total Amiga Magazine - World Exclusive! : Comment 7 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 11-May-2002 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (smithy):
Are you kidding? That Job is extremly well done by Rob Williams!
Micky Sutton and Robert Williams virtually single handedly put the Magazine together in their spare time.
(Talk about devotion!)
For myself, I have taken on the job of promoting the Magazine. I have set myself a tough target of doubling the subscription rate or I quit in two months time.
I have also contributed to the Magazine this month, where you can find a lengthy Article on Amiga by yours truly.
:-)
Regards
Mikey C
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Posted by Mikey C on 11-May-2002 18:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
It is the last UK printed Magazine (though not the last UK magazine..)
As to the CD question, regardless of the costs etc, I think given the current Amiga Market we would struggle to fill a CD rom every issue. At the moment there isn't anything to include in a CD. Once the AmigaOne is out however it could all change.
Fingers Crossed, :-)
Mikey C
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Posted by Darrin on 11-May-2002 19:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Mikey C):
>>I think given the current Amiga Market we would struggle to fill a CD rom every issue.
Time to go back to the days of including a cover FLOPPY disk then ;)
Who knows, in a year or so that might expand into a cover DVD!!!
Total Amiga Magazine - World Exclusive! : Comment 10 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Matthew, SWAUG on 11-May-2002 21:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Mikey C):
Well send us a banner ad image and we will grant you a free ad on our site.
You need as much coverage as possible!
Matthew Leaman
Webmaster, SWAUG SURF-ZONE
www.swaug.freeserve.co.uk
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Posted by logain on 11-May-2002 23:06 GMT
and how many copies of this magazin are available?
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Posted by Nomad of Norad on 12-May-2002 02:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (DaveW):
"No. Ive got a few Amigas here, a couple of Wintels as well as Wamds and a few midrange server boxes. But Ill still subscribe if you really want me to."
Errrr... Uhhhhh... What's a "Wamds"?
NoN
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Posted by 3seas on 12-May-2002 02:44 GMT
What other things can be considered world exclusive?
Apparently the world don't even need to know what.....
Well......I just changed my socks and you all have the world exclusive on it.
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Posted by Neko on 12-May-2002 09:09 GMT
Did we really have to find out about your S&M fetish
this way, Mike? And Alan Redhouse too.. now we know
what was REALLY happening between April and November
2001 ;)
Oh for shame! :)
Matt
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Posted by Frans on 12-May-2002 10:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (cOrpse):
Computer City claims to be showing an AmigaOne Developer machine on May 25th.
And permanently on display in their Rotterdam shop after that.
Soon enough for you?
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Posted by Budda on 12-May-2002 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Nomad of Norad):
"Errrr... Uhhhhh... What's a "Wamds"? "
PCs powered by AMD processors as opposed to a "Wintel" which is powered by an intel CPU I'd guess! :)
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Posted by Budda on 12-May-2002 13:45 GMT
What is the point in CDs, floppies, DVDs cover mounted? Everybody has internet access these days - at least all remaining Amiga users should (IMO).
Just stick links in the mags to the archives on the net, and also list the same links on the magazine website to save people typing them in :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-May-2002 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (DaveW):
yeha you already have an a1 now dont you lol. heheh hint the a1 is nothing new
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-May-2002 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Nomad of Norad):
windows amd
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Posted by dragon1971 -on yahoo on 12-May-2002 16:11 GMT
Ok lets begin the AmigaOne (EyeTechies little said new Amiga)....
has a totally crippled northbridge , a 100mhz front side bus....wich is inferior to even a reguler PC of modern times... it uses SDRAM (old by even PC standerd)....
Basicly what it is is a Macintosh clone minus the ability to run OSX....with OS4 on it (wich i do think is good and do plan to run on my A4000T Mirage tower system)...
your paying more then a macintosh for a 'dead end' ....it cannot be upgraded (embedded G3)...the G3 is now as you already know the 'celeron' of the PPC world....
What eyetech or any 'serious' company 'needs' to do if they want to get anywhere is either A:
Engineer a new 'TRUE AMIGA" based system with its own custom chipset(to do things moreso in hardware) a good faster PowerPC cpu(G4/G5)... Forget solderd in crap...I mean a brand new PPC based computer based on expansion bus and backward compatability so those of us invested in 'video toasters' and other 'STILL GOOD' hardware dont have to dump it to run to a platform without any ability to do realtime
they should make the system (In my opinon) based around a 'dual CPU' setup a crusoe processor(for code morphing and forward moveing)(all CPU's on slots sockets cause upgrade issues)...so that it has the ability to use applications from windows/linux and emulate in hardware(wich we all know is faster)...but to be friendly to the future and now it should definitly use the PCI Slot(not bus) SGI uses PCI slot's via expansion bus all the time and dont require that their systems get muddled up with memmory and system I/O bandwidth issues
Amiga as the original content creation platform should do the same...build a system with multi channel system bus for almost limitless bandwidth ...slot based CPU for upgradeability....added CPU via slot for code morphing and x86 compatability....slot based memmory architecture(memmory bus interface on direct connection slot for future upgradeability when new divergent memmory architectures arrive)
or B: dump the idea of building a Macintosh/PC clone off of PPC and just use x86 excisting hardware.....it would be cheaper...it would be more standerd...and it would work....it would simply work...this current overpriced underperforming system isnt what the community needs right now
By the way dont give me this bull that it would cost so much and take so much time. Eyetech took all this time and money and they have crap to show for it. In less time and money we could have had a better system.
: the end
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Posted by yoodoo on 12-May-2002 18:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (dragon1971 -on yahoo):
Boring
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Posted by yoodoo on 12-May-2002 18:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (dragon1971 -on yahoo):
What Eyetech need to do is get a few hundred A1s into the world as fast as possible so that folk can start producing software on systems that aren't 10 years old.
Then, all of us who still have working BPPCs can pass them on to those that don't and by Christmas we can have a viable community using OS4.
Then Eyetech can worry about the next board with socketed cpu's etc.
Those who desperately need cutting-edge either left years ago or have several machines.
Those who are still here are still here cos it's fun ;)
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Posted by Justin Veggerby Kristensen on 12-May-2002 19:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (dragon1971 -on yahoo):
Just one thing about the slot thing... This is similar to the cpu slots found on the big-box Amigas and the expansionslot on the small Amigas.
First point: Have you noticed the price on these accelerator boards?
There are several reasons why they are so expensive: They have to be customdesigned specifically for the cpu slots/expansion slots, they target one platform only, the targeted market is small.
Second point: In the x86 world for how many generations did a socket survive?
You will prolly find out that there is a reason why the x86 world has not embraced the CPU slot idea - mainly the price of the upgrade would not be justifiable enough for the general public to accept this way of upgrading.
As I am writing this there is an ad for a Cyberstorm PPC with 64 MB RAM at 799 euros - the final retail edition of the AmigaOne is 600 euros and I would say that if you were to buy 64 mb ram for the AmigaOne then you would still have money left to get yourself some other stuff (otherwise you'd been had) - and do note that the PPC on the Cyberstorm would not be as powerful as the one in the AmigaOne.
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Posted by dragon-1971 on 13-May-2002 00:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Justin Veggerby Kristensen):
Wrong, open a pc it is a slot cpu not soldered. It has been that way for at least 2 years. Besides the slots that i'm talking about will hold pci and agp ,and in that way can use anything as a convergance to a better setup which this is. Slotted would have been far less if Amiga would have been advertised.
The main reaason that pc dont have it is the system archtiecture cant handle more then 4 cpus and its really hard to get to that point and maintain it.
When they do have the system it is slotted and its very popular especially with servers and rendering systems
as far as yoodoo thats the reason why Amiga is where it is today becasue of uncaring people like you.
Like I said before if you want to get something better you sure as hell shouldnt get a A1- eyetechs version of it. The same goes for the Peagos version. The best thing to do is get the mirage. At least you have a great motherboard and the pci will be 10times faster then a normal pc with a pci.
So the mirage is the best way to go as a stop gap solution.
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Posted by Justin Veggerby Kristensen on 13-May-2002 05:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (dragon-1971):
OK, let's just get one thing straight...
Slots - sockets are two different things!
I may have been a little unclear about that. But if you do open a pc today then it is a socketed cpu.
Intel (and AMD as well) tried the slot way of doing processors, as far as I recall Intel did this so they could provide an easy upgrade for CPUs while maintaining the same mobo - however the actual implementations of the mobos was still being specialized for the (when designed) current processors.
In the end Intel realized that the production of this slot-architecture was too costly and the motherboard manufacturers where designating their products at a limited variety of processors.
The slot idea is to implement a singular method of upgrading a CPU, however since the sockets of processors keep changing due to implementation of new instructions and other things - it will become more and more difficult to adhere to the slot architecture since each new socket will require a redesign of the slot-board.
If we go back to the pc's then let's take a look at the different sockets/slots:
Intel Pentium - socket 7
Intel Pentium II - Slot I
Intel Pentium III (early versions) - Slot I
Intel Pentium III (later versions) - Socket 370
Intel Pentium IV - Socket 423 & 478
And mind this that the server versions of the above processors would need a completely different socket and slot type.
And now for a moment let's consider that the A1 did indeed come with a socketed version of the PPC instead of a soldered on version - I have been told that even within the same generation of G3's there are many different types of pinout on the CPU and it would definitely not be possible to put in a G4 if you got hold of one (again it comes with a different pinout).
And considering the whole thing we will again see that if you however were able to produce a slot-type that would be viable for upgrading the CPU - the cost of upgrading your CPU this way might turn out to be even more expensive than getting a new motherboard with CPU.
However if somehow by a freak coincidence _ALL_ computer users around the world did indeed buy a motherboard with this same slot architecture then it would become an economically sound solution - however this will not happen as some people will not "convert".
However what is needed in the time to come is that we support OS 4 - whichever platform we decide to go for (big-box Amiga, A1 and all). The hardware is a question of preference and needs, if you are quite happy with your current setup then that is fine - however if you like me have an Amiga that can't be upgraded (or still is based on the 68k) then the current choice is somewhat limited and we will (at least I will) be dictated by far and large by our wallets.
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Posted by DaveW on 13-May-2002 13:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Justin Veggerby Kristensen):
Well said.
Total Amiga Magazine - World Exclusive! : Comment 27 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 13-May-2002 13:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (dragon1971 -on yahoo):
> Ok lets begin the AmigaOne (EyeTechies little said new Amiga)....
> has a totally crippled northbridge , a 100mhz front side bus....
Wrong, it's a 133MHz FSB. Among other things. You can't get any of
the details right, so why should anyone pay any attention to you? You
might as well forget the Shawn-trolling...it's worthless....
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