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Posted on 12-May-2002 11:44 GMT by Ben Hermans/Hyperion115 comments
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Hyperion is looking for outside help with writing manuals. We're looking for a native English speaker who can assist us with writing the manual for our powerful HDToolbox replacement for OS 4. Any candidates must know what a partition is, what an Rigid Disk Block is and some details about mounting an FS under Amiga. Additional assests would be knowledge about the most important fields of the partition and filesystem structures. If you are interested in giving us a hand, please contact me.
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 101 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Aram Iskenderian on 14-May-2002 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 ([JC]):
JC Wrote:
>> And still for a laugh, insert a floppy disk or a bad CD and try to do
>> something else, and look at Windows crawling or almost goidng down to
>> a single tasking HP calculator.
>/me does this on his Windows box
>Hm. Nope, not slowing me down one bit. Then again I do run Windows 2000, but >you just said Windows
When I said Windows I meant all Windows including Windows NT/2000/XP.
And it should be a bad disk of CD, not something either formatted or have a readable data on it.
Ever came across a floppy disk that doesn't format, or a bad CD?
Even if you turn off the auto-notification for CD Drives and enable DMA, still does it.
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 102 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 14-May-2002 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 ([JC]):
Ehm, that motherboard was considered VERY good at it's time...
And the Pinnacle PCTV Studio Rave is older than my motherboard too,
so it's not about new standards etc etc... It's a standard Bus Mastering
PCI 2.1 card...
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 103 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 14-May-2002 16:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Aram Iskenderian):
> When I said Windows I meant all Windows including Windows NT/2000/XP.
> And it should be a bad disk of CD, not something either formatted or have a
> readable data on it.
Well, I have a coaster that failed to burn, the drive itself goes spazmo trying to identify it, but Windows 2000 doesn't slow down one bit or stop as you claim. Sorry to shatter your "Windows is still as bad as 3.11" illusions.
> Ever came across a floppy disk that doesn't format, or a bad CD?
Durr. How about this.. I tried one of my old Amiga disks in my floppy drive. Again, no slowdown, takes about 3s for the floppy to determine it's non readable and the requester pops up asking me if I want to format it.
> Even if you turn off the auto-notification for CD Drives and enable DMA,
> still does it.
Thats Windows 95/98, not 2000. You lose.
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 104 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 14-May-2002 16:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> Ehm, that motherboard was considered VERY good at it's time...
> And the Pinnacle PCTV Studio Rave is older than my motherboard too,
> so it's not about new standards etc etc... It's a standard Bus Mastering
> PCI 2.1 card...
Well I know of people using that card in Abit and Asus motherboards with no hassle or problems... so... guess it's your motherboard.
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 105 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 14-May-2002 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Ugr):
>Mr Piszczek I have advice for you. Don't worry about Amiga Operating System.
Why not? I use AmigaOS for years and I'dd be happy to test/install/use any future versions of it.
>This isn't system for you.
Again: why? You say I should destroy my AmigaOS ROMs and AmigaOS floppies?
Never!
>You should worry about your MorphOS.
I don't need to worry about this. I'm in such a good situation that I know
things for sure. The thing that is worrying me is that I know nothing about
AOS4 for sure. There's no beta version (not even for developers). The only thing
I've seen were some screenshots of MagicMenu and extended VisualPrefs. This isn't "OS"..
I want to see something for real. Download it to my hd and TEST it like I downloaded
and tested MorphOS0.4 some time ago...
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 106 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Aram Iskenderian on 14-May-2002 23:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 ([JC]):
JC Wrote:
>> When I said Windows I meant all Windows including Windows NT/2000/XP.
>> And it should be a bad disk of CD, not something either formatted or have a
>> readable data on it.
>Well, I have a coaster that failed to burn, the drive itself goes spazmo >trying to identify it, but Windows 2000 doesn't slow down one bit or stop as >you claim. Sorry to shatter your "Windows is still as bad as 3.11" illusions.
1. I never said that, I agreed with a comment by someone else that it sometimes slows down.
2. It would help to base your comments on first hand experience or facts, not on smarta** comments.
>> Ever came across a floppy disk that doesn't format, or a bad CD?
>Durr. How about this.. I tried one of my old Amiga disks in my floppy drive. >Again, no slowdown, takes about 3s for the floppy to determine it's non >readable and the requester pops up asking me if I want to format it.
Then you must have a super PC that no one else has.
This is a known behavior that almost anyone that used a PC knows about.
> Even if you turn off the auto-notification for CD Drives and enable DMA,
> still does it.
Thats Windows 95/98, not 2000. You lose.
Really?
Are you saying that Windows 2000 doesn't have Auto-insert notification, or DMA for drives?
When I lose, I will happily agree that I did, and admit my mistake if any.
So far it seems that I am talking with experience and hard facts and you are just picking an argument, or just to disagree.
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 107 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 15-May-2002 00:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Aram Iskenderian):
>>Well, I have a coaster that failed to burn, the drive itself goes spazmo >>trying to identify it, but Windows 2000 doesn't slow down one bit or stop as >>you claim. Sorry to shatter your "Windows is still as bad as 3.11" illusions.
>
> 1. I never said that, I agreed with a comment by someone else that it
> sometimes slows down.
You, and whoever else it was, is inferring it. I bet the only PC's you've ever used are badly setup office PC's.
> 2. It would help to base your comments on first hand experience or
> facts, not on smarta** comments.
Er, I'm using a PC I built from scratch right now, I've built from scratch, upgraded and repaired, many PC's for people. I think that means I have first hand experience.
>> Ever came across a floppy disk that doesn't format, or a bad CD?
>Durr. How about this.. I tried one of my old Amiga disks in my floppy drive. >Again, no slowdown, takes about 3s for the floppy to determine it's non >readable and the requester pops up asking me if I want to format it.
> Then you must have a super PC that no one else has.
> This is a known behavior that almost anyone that used a PC knows about.
Wrong. It's behaviour anyone whose used a really shitty old PC (ie a 486, or some Cyrix shit) knows about.
My system is an Athlon 800, 384MB ram, ABit KT7-RAID motherboard, Yamaha CRW8824S 8x8x24 CD-RW drive, IBM 75GXP and Maxtor D740X HD's, and a Geforce 2 MX. Not exactly a super PC by modern standards. But then, my old K6-233 never used to do what you describe either, and that was a really cheap motherboard.
>>Thats Windows 95/98, not 2000. You lose.
> Really?
>
> Are you saying that Windows 2000 doesn't have Auto-insert notification,
> or DMA for drives?
It has the DMA settings under the Primary/Secondary IDE controller entries, but no auto insert notification checkbox. You are thinking of Windows 95/98/ME.
> So far it seems that I am talking with experience and hard facts and you
> are just picking an argument, or just to disagree.
To me, it seems like you're determined to put about 5 year old crap about PC's that is no longer an issue. While this is an Amiga forum, and I can understand people who prefer to use the Amiga system (hell, I work on software for it), I won't stand by and watch utter lies and nonsense be bandied about.
See, I used to be an Amiga user (and programmer for that matter) that thought this way, ie PC's were 70's crap, couldn't access more than 640K, couldn't multitask etc etc... and then I actually got one for my A-level studies (this was around the time that Windows 95 had just been released). While indeed there were still issues, such as Windows using far too much memory, and DOS getting in the way of things sometimes, most of the rubbish about PC's i'd been fed as an Amiga user just simply was not true. It was the increasing rubbish being spouted by the Amiga community, coupled with the fact that Commodore had gone down the drain, that made me move to the PC permanently.
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 108 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 15-May-2002 03:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Nichelle):
Nichelle said:
> A "snug" is something like a kiss or lick on the nosietip in my case.
In your case, but outside means "Calm down", "shut up"...
Ok, this close all furthermore discussion from my sideview, I considered your point of view positively...
Bye,
Raffaele
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 109 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 15-May-2002 03:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 ([JC]):
I agree with Aran in its message about bad CDs on Windows...
When I put a CD with a bad masterization into Windows
(and CD from newspapers sometimes are bad, I found 1 on 20, last year),
Windows blocks itself trying to read it... and you can't manage anything until it succeeded in opening Internet Explorer Windows
(this happens for those CD with an HTML presentation mainscreen)...
This is frustrating... and it happens under Windows '98.
I notice this behaviour both on an old Pentium 200MMX (even with CD 26x or a relatively new 32x) as well as on my Celeron 500 (CD 32x and now DVD SCSI)...
And Celeron 500 is not a computer so old...
However if you know that the CD is bad, you can disable autoplay by its choice-voice int the CD setup behaviour screen of Windows...
...or simply push "SHIFT key" when inserting the CD...
Yes this is a little trick to disable temporarily Autoplay...
Geee... I love this infamous Windows OS because it is soooo bad...
In facts I love to dig for Treasure Hunt...
...and this Windows dinosaur has so plenty of strange key combinations, infamous Registry entries, and hidden commands that it will satisfy my ambitions of explorer...
(I use this word "explorer" not in relation with Windows Explorer interface or regarding Windows Internet Explorer Browser... but now I know why they use the name "explorer" for their products... ...Windows is a Jungle)!
I don't know if Windows 2000, NT or XP have the same behaviour in manage bad CDs, but I know a manager who in his office has Win NT... I'll bring to him the bad disk I found last year (yeah, I still own it) and I'll check windows behaviour...
Bye,
Raffaele
P.S. I think that comparing AmigaOS and Windows GUI (Yes, Win'98 is still a GUI for MS-DOS) or comparing with Windows OS (NT-2000-XP) is important to our platform to avoid Windowized like developing for future Amiga.
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 110 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 15-May-2002 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Raffaele):
> (Yes, Win'98 is still a GUI for MS-DOS)
You really are an idiot, arent you.
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 111 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 15-May-2002 14:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 ([JC]):
JC wrote:
>> (Yes, Win'98 is still a GUI for MS-DOS)
> You really are an idiot, arent you.
Well, despite the facts that windows '98 is full of 16bit modules relating directly to the MS-DOS core, yes I'm an idiot because I use Windows sometimes...
Bye, bye...
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 112 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Aram Iskenderian on 15-May-2002 18:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 ([JC]):
JC Wrote:
>>>Well, I have a coaster that failed to burn, the drive itself goes spazmo >>>trying to identify it, but Windows 2000 doesn't slow down one bit or stop as >>>you claim. Sorry to shatter your "Windows is still as bad as 3.11" >>>illusions.
>> 1. I never said that, I agreed with a comment by someone else that it
>> sometimes slows down.
>You, and whoever else it was, is inferring it. I bet the only PC's you've ever >used are badly setup office PC's.
Please refrain from posting uneducated guess, especially when you are talking about me.
If you ahve been around as you said in another part of this post of yours you 'd have known who you are talking to.
I am not a casual user on each platform.
I hold several certifications on several platforms for years and years by now, and I administer several networks in my daily job.
So don't give me that crap about me using badly cofigured office PC.
>> 2. It would help to base your comments on first hand experience or
>> facts, not on smarta** comments.
>Er, I'm using a PC I built from scratch right now, I've built from scratch, >upgraded and repaired, many PC's for people. I think that means I have first >hand experience.
So you automatically assume that you have experience and the other side does not?
Please.
If this was the first one that you built then good for you, I have been doing this for years.
>>> Ever came across a floppy disk that doesn't format, or a bad CD?
>>>Durr. How about this.. I tried one of my old Amiga disks in my floppy drive. >>>Again, no slowdown, takes about 3s for the floppy to determine it's non >>>readable and the requester pops up asking me if I want to format it.
>> Then you must have a super PC that no one else has.
>> This is a known behavior that almost anyone that used a PC knows about.
>Wrong. It's behaviour anyone whose used a really shitty old PC (ie a 486, or .some Cyrix shit) knows about.
>My system is an Athlon 800, 384MB ram, ABit KT7-RAID motherboard, Yamaha >CRW8824S 8x8x24 CD-RW drive, IBM 75GXP and Maxtor D740X HD's, and a Geforce 2 >MX. Not exactly a super PC by modern standards. But then, my old K6-233 never >used to do what you describe either, and that was a really cheap motherboard.
You are confused if you think that it is a hardware problem.
That is a WINDOWS problem.
>>>Thats Windows 95/98, not 2000. You lose.
>> Really?
>> Are you saying that Windows 2000 doesn't have Auto-insert notification,
>> or DMA for drives?
>It has the DMA settings under the Primary/Secondary IDE controller entries, >but no auto insert notification checkbox. You are thinking of Windows >95/98/ME.
No I am not.
Look here.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Cdrom
Please make sure to read carefully what you are reading, and don't assume that iw as talking about the hardware settings in the device manager.
>> So far it seems that I am talking with experience and hard facts and you
>> are just picking an argument, or just to disagree.
>To me, it seems like you're determined to put about 5 year old crap about PC's >that is no longer an issue.
THat's where this all started, you based your assumptions on what YOU think that others are doing, not on first hand knowledge.
You assume that I am fanatic Amiga user who has never seen a PC newer than Windows 95.
Well, you are wrong.
I suggest that you look in google's newsgroup archives to see how many times I was flamed by people for telling them to wake up since the Amiga is no longer the best out, nor Windows is "evil" and unusable.
I use all the platfomrs and enjoy something from everything.
But when I see something wrong I'll point it out, and do my best to back it up by hard facts, something you so far failed to do.
>While this is an Amiga forum, and I can understand people who prefer to use >the Amiga system (hell, I work on software for it), I won't stand by and watch >utter lies and nonsense be bandied about.
If it was a lie, how come someone else just confirmed this?
I'm sure you'll call that a lie too.
>See, I used to be an Amiga user (and programmer for that matter) that thought >this way, ie PC's were 70's crap, couldn't access more than 640K, couldn't >multitask etc etc... and then I actually got one for my A-level studies (this >was around the time that Windows 95 had just been released). While indeed >there were still issues, such as Windows using far too much memory, and DOS >getting in the way of things sometimes, most of the rubbish about PC's i'd >been fed as an Amiga user just simply was not true. It was the increasing >rubbish being spouted by the Amiga community, coupled with the fact that >Commodore had gone down the drain, that made me move to the PC permanently.
Save this lecture to someone who needs it, buddy.
I can assure you that when I say something about PCs I can back it up.
And you cannot go on and accuse everyone in the Amiga "community" of being a supported of nonsense.
You are obviously reading that from an advocacy newsgroup.
At any rate, I will try to end this discussion here before it expands into a mini flame war. :-)
Bottom line is, my friend.
There are some desgin flaws and backwards comptibility in Windows that the fastest processors out there won't suddenly take it out.
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 113 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Aram Iskenderian on 15-May-2002 18:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Raffaele):
Raffaele Wrote:
>I agree with Aran in its message about bad CDs on Windows...
>When I put a CD with a bad masterization into Windows
>(and CD from newspapers sometimes are bad, I found 1 on 20, last year),
>Windows blocks itself trying to read it... and you can't manage anything until >it succeeded in opening Internet Explorer Windows
>(this happens for those CD with an HTML presentation mainscreen)...
>This is frustrating... and it happens under Windows '98.
>I notice this behaviour both on an old Pentium 200MMX (even with CD 26x or a >relatively new 32x) as well as on my Celeron 500 (CD 32x and now DVD SCSI)...
>And Celeron 500 is not a computer so old...
Thank you, now of course JC will accuse of lying, but I see he already threw his words of wisdom at you.
The above happens on all the computers that I have access to, with all different hardware, starting from and old Pentium 166 with Windows 95 OSR B, and others with Windows 98, 98SE, ME, NT, 2000 Pro, and even on the last Windows 2000 Server and the HP notebook with XP Professional.
The fact that JC always assumes that we are all using old configurations and we have no clue about PCs.
I hate to be rude, but this is exactly what a troll does, and now I see why others called him a troll.
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 114 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Nichelle on 15-May-2002 18:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 ([JC]):
I asked one of our tech-wizards about this:
-> Win'98 is still a GUI for MS-DOS)
He murmured about stupid questioning but finally pointed out that when you kill
the dos task you actually disable Win98 to do anything.
Furthermore he stated "But with Win XP this is no problem"
So, though I wont trust the techwizards when it comes to Hardware, I assume it is that
Windows OS is Win2k+ , whilst Win95/98 and possibly Millenium were still the same thingie as Win3.11 and before.
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 115 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 16-May-2002 07:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Nichelle):
Nichelle said:
> I asked one of our tech-wizards about this:
> (R.) -> Win'98 is still a GUI for MS-DOS)
> He murmured about stupid questioning but finally pointed out
> that when you kill the dos task you actually disable Win98
> to do anything.
> Furthermore he stated "But with Win XP this is no problem"
> So, though I wont trust the techwizards when it comes
> to Hardware, I assume it is that Windows OS is Win2k+ ,
> whilst Win95/98 and possibly Millenium were still the
> same thingie as Win3.11 and before.
Leave the word "possibly" out... Millennium has MS-Dos hidden underground as well as Win '95 and Win '98 have it plain and clear.
I found how to bring it to the light, navigating thru the Museum page of all GUIs...
http://toastytech.com/guis/guitimeline.html
When clicking about the pages related to Windows ME you can found a link that brings you to a site revealing how to bring out MS-DOS in Millennium...
I was navigating while writing to you, and now I found that Win ME was cancelled as direct GUI from the timeline...
Maybe the Designer of the GUI History Webpage does not consider anymore Win ME GUI as a stand-alone interface but the same of Win '95 '98...
...How bad... :-)
Don't blame me for this statement Windows users, infacts, despite the fact that Win ME is a different Windows GUI-OS, it share the same interface of the previous two... so it is not really a significant improvement in GUI, while for example Win XP is not only different OS, but it has a really different interface...
Win Xp it seems to me a japanese manga cartoon computer interface, not a serious one...
(and consider that I am a person who love Manga... :-)
Well, coming back in the discussion path:
You can still found the links about Win ME if you navigate in search for GUI website index page...
Or you can search thru internet motors or search sites as Google about how to reveal and bring out MS-DOS at boot of Windows Millennium...
Bye,
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