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[News] Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3SatANN.lu
Posted on 15-May-2002 20:36 GMT by Christophe Decanini272 comments
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The bplan GmbH would like to inform you about the Computer Magazine taking place on the 27th of may at 9.30 pm.

neues - das Computer- und Telekommunikationsmagazin auf 3sat

There is an IRC chat scheduled after the show. Check it out here.

Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 151 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 17-May-2002 00:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (cheesegrate):
Not quite.
A few of you seem to forget that culpability is what's at stake here. Businesses are designed to make money. Investing in the development of an alternative operating system in a market where the window of opportunity is virtual nil is patently silly. Also See BeOS.
And no, Amiga isn't immune to this either -- but, the slim chance they have is do to an established history and branding.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 152 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 17-May-2002 00:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (anonymous):
>>Investing in the development of an alternative operating system in a market
>>where the window of opportunity is virtual nil is patently silly.
hey linux is becoming very trendy..
>Also See BeOS
i have talked to users of beos.. it was just breaking into the niche of sound software when it's development was stopped. if it had gone opensource at this stage it would have become sustainable and succesfull.
now i see openbeos, atheos and blueos.. what is ure point.? if the tech and community becomes good enough people will accept it. the monopoly is slowly being broken, and open source is one of the vital causes. linux community on ppc will help amiga community survive as there are many former amigans there.
>> but, the slim chance they have is do to an established history
2 bankrupcies, 2 ambandoned sales with massive delays, one secret deal to former employees. not very established?
>>and branding. Businesses are designed to make money
perhaps u should look at technological achievements of teams in recent times in different structures. gpl and it's variants are impacting on the software world in enourmous ways. don't tell me os4/morph teams are doing this for money. and their sucsess has nothing to do with your statement..
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 153 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 17-May-2002 04:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Nicolas Sallin):
"financial interrest "
Well one thing is sure, there is no doubt of interests in MOS=bplan case, it's a 100% sure thing.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 154 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 17-May-2002 05:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 144 (anonymer MOS-Fan):
Ah I see the retards are out in force again.
Agressive? You mean asking questions? Oh no!
Yeah of course I need to go see a shrink, thats right.
Jerk.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 155 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 17-May-2002 06:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (David Scheibler):
At the time I would have envied you. :-) So you got some out of the
initial production run eh?
I ordered a Blizzard PPC 240 from Eyetech ( delivered eventually )
a Blizzard PPC 240 from Power Computing ( not delivered )
and a Blizzard PPC 240 from Blittersoft ( not delivered )
When? Hmmm. Id need to go home and look through the reciept to find
out when it was delivered but I think it was within 24 months of PhaseVs
closure.
When you actually *got* the damn board it was well made although I did
notice a strange inability to boot first time and an increase in crashes
that was probably due to heat dissapation problems.
Then I got two blizzard visions, one on first release and another from the
stocks that DCE took over. One Mikey has and the other was sent back for repair
(didnt work out of the box ) and never came back.
Given the propaganda *against* AmigaONE because it is using a far eastern
manufacturer I think its a bit rich when DCE themselves havent exactly
got a wonderful reputation.
MorphOS aside, the Pegasos hardware if and when it gets released
to the general public should do well as a Linux host.
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 156 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 17-May-2002 06:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (DaveW):
>When you actually *got* the damn board it was well made although I did
>notice a strange inability to boot first time and an increase in crashes
>that was probably due to heat dissapation problems.
Don't worry, the world and its dog seem to have had the same booting problems. I know I have for the last two years. The crashes could be heat or it could be that you've not got the latest flash update, though I doubt that.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 157 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 17-May-2002 11:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (DaveW):
>When you actually *got* the damn board it was well made although I did
>notice a strange inability to boot first time and an increase in crashes
>that was probably due to heat dissapation problems.
I never noticed such problems with the BPPC itself. Only after I bought an
BVision (p5). But this was due to power problems (not connected to the floppy
port). Since I did this it runs very well. Ah and I had a smaller problem with
the initial BV CGX driver.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 158 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 17-May-2002 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (DaveW):
@DaveW
Oh yeah i am just so excitied about buying this LOVELY bPlan MB made by the supreme DCE. I am messing my pants because of the high quality DCE has consistantly shown! Brand new dead PPC cards that you return for repair and never get back? Who said that? Oh that's right not just you, but every freakin DCE customer! What a scam. I came this | | close to buying a ridiculously overpriced DCE made CS-PPC card, thank god I stopped having those delusions.
Come on now! Aren't there comsumer protection laws in Germany? How can such an outright SCAM survive?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 159 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 17-May-2002 11:24 GMT
Topic related .... 3sat is available in this town only via digital TV / STB... and because Mediaterminal is not in shops around here, I better wait for the mpeg version of the pegasos presentation... ;-P
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 160 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-May-2002 11:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 158 (redrumloa):
Every DCE customer? Never had probs with them...
Got a BPPC, a BVision and a G-Rex...
Btw... The DCE production line was bought by Phase5...
IF the Pegasos production is done at that line, it will
be set up by Carda and Knäbel, not Thomas Dellert.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 161 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 17-May-2002 11:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 158 (redrumloa):
>Oh yeah i am just so excitied about buying this LOVELY bPlan MB made by the
>supreme DCE.
Quite fun. Some anonymous poster says that the boards will be produced by DCE
and everybody believes him....
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 162 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-May-2002 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 161 (David Scheibler):
>Quite fun. Some anonymous poster says that the boards will be produced by DCE
>and everybody believes him....
Read my words again. I said bplan has a 1 productionline located at DCE, and operated by bplan personal. Those machine is perfect for small productions, the prototype's where also made on this one.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 163 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 17-May-2002 12:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 162 (Anonymous):
And read bplan's statement again.
Only the prototypes will be made at DCE for the end user production they will
produce somewhere else.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 164 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by logain on 17-May-2002 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 154 (DaveW):
You can ask your questions after ther show in the live chat.
be sure questions about handling of warranty, production in [n] lines or whatever you are 'interested' in will be answered.
I said theres no need to bring up silly conclusions or misinterpretations in forefield of this presentation, exept if someone has serious problems with this product of whatsoever personal reasons.
you must live far away from Europe (Australia would fit perfect :-) because you have no clue about what has happened the last years in the Amiga community. You also dont inform yourself about the products you want to bring to an end (AT->´or was it ATX' funniest example in this thread). btw. its microATX ;-)
Me and lots of others were inspired by this first ppc-hard and software and never had problems with delivery and functionality. And far more then 10000 were sold. The price of those accelerator cards was affordable like the price of Pegasos is affordable now.
So hold your breath and begin to blaspheme after things are cleared up in some days. But I can assure you, nobody will give a sh*t about your comments then.
btw. the post you replying to is also mine. If you didnt checked it by now ;-)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 165 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-May-2002 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 164 (logain):
>be sure questions about handling of warranty, production in [n] lines or whatever
>you are 'interested' in will be answered.
But please not again by Mr Gomez, you had to wait 10min for an answer with him. ;-)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 166 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-May-2002 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 163 (David Scheibler):
>And read bplan's statement again.
>
>Only the prototypes will be made at DCE for the end user production they will
>produce somewhere else.
aha, in the far east.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 167 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 17-May-2002 13:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 165 (Anonymous):
That was, because he had an prototype keyboard of the pegasos which was 30x10 meters in size. Hopefully they could reduce the size for the production run ;)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 168 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-May-2002 15:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 167 (anon):
Hey, now we know why Thendic-France wanted to reduce Pegasos size... :-D
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 169 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 17-May-2002 17:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 163 (David Scheibler):
> Only the prototypes will be made at DCE for the end user production they will
> produce somewhere else.
I sure hope so. I have 0 respect for DCE. Any word on when these boards will be available? *IF* I decide to get one....
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 170 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 17-May-2002 17:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 169 (redrumloa):
Well then maybe you have more respect when you hear that the original AmigaOne
was a project initiated by DCE and Escena...
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 171 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-May-2002 19:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 170 (David Scheibler):
No, because it sucked so bad Eyetech cancelled it. They were very smart not to
continue business with DCE. >:-)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 172 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 17-May-2002 20:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (Anonymous):
Isn't it strange that the one and only prototype was produced when DCE was
still on board? ;)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 173 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 17-May-2002 23:08 GMT
Hmmm... The 3sat webpage says (translated with babelfish):
Quote:
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The Amiga one is again presented, and at the end of of May gets the Amiga operating system a new face: Amiga OS 4.0th new presents the computer for Nostalgiker in the new garb live in the studio.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There's no mention of Pegasos or MorphOS. On the contrary, it mentions AmigaOS4.0 and AmigaOne. If this isn't "parasitic marketing" then I don't know what is... :-/
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 174 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 18-May-2002 09:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 164 (logain):
Logain, you have just confirmed everything I thought about you up to now.
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 175 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 18-May-2002 09:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 174 (DaveW):
Not least because of this:
"You also dont inform yourself about the products you want to bring to an end (AT->´or was it ATX' funniest example in this thread). btw. its microATX ;-) "
Just a mental block which I immediately followed up to poking fun at myself. Im glad you found it funny, I did also when I read it back. You will notice similar problems in most of my posts.
But you are worse Logain, you dont inform yourself about peoples opinions, I get the impression that if someone does not agree 100% with you that you categorise them. Note that I said quite the opposite of wanting Pegasos to come to and end or MorphOS for that matter, not only on this thread but in every other thread I have posted on.
Where you think I reside is irrelevant, you are wrong as you are wrong about so many other things.
I think you have a large amount of growing up to do.
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 176 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 18-May-2002 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 173 (Samface):
>If this isn't "parasitic marketing" then I don't know what is...
Come on. Let's sue 3sat/ZDF's asses ;)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 177 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by logain on 18-May-2002 11:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 175 (DaveW):
Nice, that you can make fun of your inaccuracies. Means you are a humorous person ;-)
But why are you posting such inaccuracies then, if you found out of yorself, that most of your post have 'similar problems'.
Why are you 'discussing' about the Pegasos if you dont have a major interest in it? Why do you try to mix up bPlan with DCE and phase5 even when others give you the facts?
We already had long discussions about that and i tried to let you understand my opinion, while you served me with your "FUD" "plain wrong" "etc etc" campaign, even if i used to be objective as possible. Remember?
but to be honest, you need at least some facts if you want to succeed at discusions about that and you want to be recognized as 'grown up'.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 178 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 18-May-2002 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 177 (logain):
>But why are you posting such inaccuracies then, if you found out of yorself, that most of your post have 'similar problems'.
Not innaccuracies in the vein of finding out later, just finding out later that I had not typed what my brain said. AKA typos. Like typing Agima. Worst part is not actually seeing it during the read back but seeing it later after posting the comment.
Oh and you were posting FUD and you were plain wrong. ;-D
Where did I say I was not *interested* in either MorphOS or Pegasos? Not posting innaccuracies again are you?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 179 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 18-May-2002 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 178 (DaveW):
Worst one has been writing ISA when thinking PCI. Deservedly subjected to ridicule for that one.
f**k knows why that one slipped past, maybe because I had just unplugged an ISA wireless card and plugged in a PCI one.
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 180 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 18-May-2002 12:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 177 (logain):
>Why do you try to mix up bPlan with DCE and phase5 even when others give you the facts?
Where did I *mix* them up?
If you read what I posted ( challenging I know ) you will see that I did not mix them up at all. It was nice to see however some later clarification (claims) of what the actual involvement of DCE *IS* and the fact that the later production wont be using this route at all. Not some "Far Eastern" manufacturer is it?
IIRC (and I might not) our spat was over the fact that the Eyetech boards were being manufacturered outside the EU which you seemed to find relevant and I see as part of the FUD campaign which either you were promoting or you had been caught up in. These days it makes no difference where the damn board is manufactured and Germany is not the paragon of infallible engineering that some seem to claim.
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 181 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by logain on 18-May-2002 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 178 (DaveW):
>>Oh and you were posting FUD and you were plain wrong. ;-D
But you couldnt give examples except "etc etc" then , oh my dear ;-P
btw. sure i cant prove you are not interested, but following your argument only let me act in creating a mental image, like you seem to have one of me ;-)
Anyway, I saw you found some people you can better talk to about related issues. Maybe they can a bit update and therefore change your mind. I, as you can see, already gave up.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 182 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by logain on 18-May-2002 12:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 180 (DaveW):
Our spat begun with Joe's post saying AmigaOne and Pegasos are nearly the same, where i posted a comment only about the differences of them. I stated pro for Pegasos that its build by a firm commited to the Amigabase while Eyetech let their board produce in far-east by a company without relations to this market.
I also pointed out, that if some boards (I already knew and also said that the Enduserboards might be also produced in far-east!) are produced by DCE i prefer them for PERSONAL reasons i mentioned. If i had proplem with DCE like you, I would also reconsider.
After that the discussion was exploded by DaveW nitpicking posts about the past of DCE/phase5 and how the distributor Eyetech & others were responsible to keep Amiga alive. This is, pardon, PLAIN WRONG in my eyes ;-)
But lets find a compromise, instead of making this a even longer thread without consistence. If we both feel misunderstood by each other, then i suggest both read the others opinion and try to understand before answering or we simply stop our private struggle. It up to you ;-)
btw. i like open discussion, but i hate FUD-campaigns
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 183 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-May-2002 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 173 (Samface):
>If this isn't "parasitic marketing" then I don't know what is... :-/
I still don't know how and why the lawyer made up this stupid "parasitic marketing" term.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 184 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-May-2002 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 178 (DaveW):
>Not innaccuracies in the vein of finding out later, just finding out later that I had not typed what my brain said.
It's called BAF-disease. Don't worry, this is normal! B-)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 185 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 18-May-2002 23:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Seehund):
Licensing and protection of intellectual property is only "ugly" to people who have intentions to pirate software. The reason I wish bPlan would announce that they will work through the licensing issue to kill these kinds of threads. The people who complain about the licensing issue must obviously want to run OS 4.0 on the Pegasos. Don't complain about Amiga Inc's practices, complain to bPlan for not working with Amiga Inc. to get OS 4.0 properly licensed.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 186 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 05:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 185 (Adam Kowalczyk):
AIncs licence includes some ugly pills bPlan
just won't take (for good reasons I think).
1. The bundling-scheme:
This means bPlan has to wait for Hyperion to
finish COS4 before they can sell any boards
to the "Amiga"-market (doesn't seem to be the
problem for Eyetech btw.).
This is unacceptable as the Pegasos is their
only product and they have invested huge sums
into its development.
Whoever finaced this won't be pleased about
any further delay.
It's not a problem for Eyetech/Elbox as they
have other products to sell and use (slighly
modified) existing designs.
2.bPlan has allready partners who develop for
MorphOS and might be able to deliever before
the release of COS4. They wouldn't be pleased
about the smaller market they gone have after
such an agreement.
3.bPlan wants to stay in controll over their
system (just like AInc.) and it's not clear
how the terms for a Pegasos_SG would look like
and when (and at what quality) OS-updates will
appear.
4.AIncs "quality-scheme" demands that bPlan have
to explain their financial status to AInc. This
is reasoned by the statement that there were
company in the market that delieverd "shaggy"
service and that this would fall back on AInc.
Eyetech/Elbox don't have any other option (OS)
so they had to sign it.
If you think 4 is a acceptable I think you have
to agree that it would also work the way round
(buggy SW give the HW a bad repitation).
Therefore I made up this announcment:
Frankfurt (Germany) 19.5.02
bPlan-GmbH announces their new quality-scheme:
"We the bPlan-team would like invite every suitable
OS-vendor to join in our new and wonderfull Pegasos-
projekt that is going to bring us all into a bright
future !
If you and your company want to join us with your OS
all you got to do is sign our free licence.
To avoid copying of our HW-design you must make sure
every copy of your OS suitable of running on our HW
is only sold bundled with our HW.
To our deepest regret their have been incedents in
the past regarding OS-development that could have a
bad effect on the reputation of our HW. This includes
announcing an OS based on a technology that wasn't
capable to be used as an OS, publishing false progress
reports and unrealistic release schedules. One vendor
was actaully selling coupons for an OS before they
even started development.
To avoid these troubles we have to insist on the OS
vendors to keep themselves committed to quality and
good after-sales service. This can only be done by
intensive finacial-screening to avoid bankruptsy and
the setup of "help"-department by the OS-vendor..."
I bet AInc./Hyperion would rush to sign this and
would be very pleased of the idea to open up their
books to bPlan.
Summary:
When AInc. announced this they allready knew it was
absolut inacceptable for bPlan (I even believe thats
the purpose of the whole thing).
It was AInc.(Hyperion) that went from "every suitable
HW" to "every licenced HW" in April.
BPlan made it clear (in November) that they didn't
see COS4 as a priority for their HW, that Hyperion
wouldn't get a special status (bundling) and that
noone would get access to the flash-ROM (for the
copy-protection).
It was AInc who suddenly changed the rule not bPlan
so you got to blame them.
If the Pegasos is released in a few weeks, Hyperion
can buy one and port COS4 based on the A1-version
and bPlans linux-kernel.
It's their (AIncs) desicion if they release this in
any way or not.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 187 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by wilhelm on 19-May-2002 06:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (DaveW):
Dave,
Not glad to see your having problems getting your boards fixed as my
phase5 060/PPC just went tits up and I'm back to the 040 with a fraction
of the ram. Just who can I reliably send this unit to so it can be fixed?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 188 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-May-2002 06:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 186 (Kronos):
Please, how can you blame Amiga Inc for wanting to guarantee hardware support for their AmigaOS4 customers? I mean, think about those who would by a Pegasos thinking AmigaOS4 should run on it, think about how pissed they would be at Amiga Inc for not telling this to them when it doesn't.
It's like I've always said; it doesn't matter how service minded or friendly you try to be, there's always someone there to blame you for all the evil in the world anyway.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 189 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 06:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 188 (Samface):
Did you really read what I wrote ?
(And did you undersatnd it ?)
AInc decided COS4 wouldn't run on the Pegasos as
long as bPlan wouldn't accept their terms.
These terms are inacceptable for bPlan (and AInc.
knew that).
"No COS4 for Pegasos" was AIncs decision and not bPlans.
Did AIncs have the right for that decision ? Sure !!
Can you blame bPlan for sticking with their principels ?
No way !!
So do you think AInc would accept my made up "quality"-
scheme ?
Or do you really think this assurance is only needed for
one side ?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 190 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 06:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 188 (Samface):
BtW: bPlan newer said COS4 would run on their HW,
they only said they would treat Hyperion as any
other (non-priority)developer.
Hyperion on the other side said they would do it
for the Pegasos if they get a board and the dev-
docs.
So again noone can blame bPlan for causing this
trouble as they made their statement in last
November and newer changed it.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 191 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-May-2002 08:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 189 (Kronos):
>Did you really read what I wrote ?
>(And did you undersatnd it ?)
I read and understand, in and between the lines. What I see is someone desperately trying to turn things around in order to make things fit into his own agenda. It's nothing wrong about your facts but the way you look at them is really twisted and I'm afraid that nothing I say will ever change that. You see, MorphOS will never support the A1 from Eyetech and if Amiga Inc would simply turn the other cheek and give AmigaOS4 support for the Pegasos, the Pegasos would then have a major advantage against the AmigaOne from Eyetech since it would be able to run both MorphOS and AmigaOS4. I'm sorry but Eyetech is Amiga Inc's business partner, not bPlan. The best solution would of course be a partnership amongst them all but, as long as that "oh-so-professional" guy Ralph Schmidt is the head of their policies... *sigh*
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 192 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 19-May-2002 09:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 190 (Kronos):
COS...
Just that word discredits anything you have to say Stefan.
You're an idiot to think that OS 4 is all about eye-candy.
What do you expect us to do? Release screenshots of the kernel or FFS2? Of the USB stack? The Soundblaster Live! drivers?
We did the only possible thing: we released screenshots of Intuition v50 in action.
And then you come along and call it COS.
Pathetic.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 193 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 09:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 191 (Samface):
>MorphOS will never support the A1 from Eyetech
I wouldn't be so sure about that ....
And yes the Pegasos would have an advantage over
the A1 if he could run COS4 (personally I think
he has it regardless of COS4), but you can hardly
blame bPlan for creating the better speced product
at a lower price ?
I explained that a "Amiga-partner" has to accept
some odd clauses (like the financial thing) and
that bPlan doesn't have to rely on such a partner-
ship to do their buisness.
As I said AIncs set the terms, and you can't blame
anybody if he thinks these are inacceptable for
his buisness.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 194 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-May-2002 09:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 189 (Kronos):
>"No COS4 for Pegasos" was AIncs decision and not bPlans.
Sorry but that's simply not true and you know it. You simply say this because you know you will get flamed for it and I don't know why I'm replying to his in the first place. All they ever said is that they want to guarantee their customers about the hardware compatibility and bPlan is free to send their developerboard to Hyperion anytime. Prioritizing their developerboards for other developers over Hyperion was bPlans decision and not Amiga Inc's.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 195 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 09:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 182 (logain):
Sounds like we are of similar mindsets then if we both dislike FUD campaigns.
Agreed we both feel misunderstood by the other - the detente you propose is fine by me.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 196 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 09:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 182 (logain):
>After that the discussion was exploded by DaveW nitpicking posts about the past of DCE/phase5 and how the distributor Eyetech & others were responsible to keep Amiga alive. This is, pardon, PLAIN WRONG in my eyes ;-)
Nitpicking? Nitpicking is like having a go at someone when they type AT instead of ATX .. not when reflecting on a past and asking if its the same people.
How the distributer Eyetech and others were responsible to keep Amiga alive? Where did I say that??!?
Look Logain you are still reading my posts with a closed mind and thinking that I am saying stuff that I really am not.
Not in the spirit of detente :-(
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 197 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 09:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 192 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Just that word discredits anything you have to say Stefan.
If someone thinks he could make up a picture of me
just based on my "running gag", he is probraly in
a mindset that is out of reach for any arguments
that are not inline with AInc/Hyperion.
BtW: Wait what I got for the time after the relaese
of the first beta.
BtW2: As I seem to have you reading... would you sign
what I made up in 185 ?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 198 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 09:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 194 (Samface):
I have to ask you again if you read what I wrote ?
I allready explained several (possible) reasons why
Hyperion didn't get a dev-board somewhere else.
But of what use would it be for Hyperion now, when
haven't finished the kernel (on CS_PPC) yet ?
The CS_PPC/BPPC and A1 versions will get the highest
priority and only after they got a some what working
OS on the A1 they would have started wit the Pegasos
port. The Pegasos consumer version should be out by
then.
bPlan was at no point interessted in a COS-port any
more then they would have been interested in a port
of BeOS,AtheOS or QNX. They only said they had nothing
against it. It was Hyperion who said the would like
to support it and that they would only need a board
and the doku.
They will get the board next month, and as the board
will use the same chipset as the A1 (and will come
with open-source linux-kernel) they may even not need
the doku.
Its their decision not bPlan.
You can't blame bPlan for not holding a promise someone
else made.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 199 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 197 (Kronos):
That should have said "186"
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 200 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 09:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 198 (Kronos):
I remember when I posted a list of possible alternatives that might be behind the delay some that put BPlan in a nice light some that put them in a not so nice light. Got flamed on both sides.
Amiga forum users have got so adept at trying to read between the lines of what you right they seem to have stopped reading the actual lines you write.
Dave.
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