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Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 201 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-May-2002 10:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 193 (Kronos):
"And yes the Pegasos would have an advantage over
the A1 if he could run COS4 (personally I think
he has it regardless of COS4), but you can hardly
blame bPlan for creating the better speced product
at a lower price ?"
A really weird sentence, how did specs and price get into the picture?
Anyway, we won't know about the speed and price until they're actually released and exists on the shelves now do we?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 202 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 10:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 201 (Samface):
Hardley better specced.
We will see prices on release as well as final specs for each. We will also see after about 12 months who was selling under their margins and who isnt and who produced boards that can be repaired in a cost effective way and who didnt and who produced boards that are reliable and who didnt and who produced boards that run the OS that consumer X wants to run and those that didnt.
Until then we are going to see the users continue to marketeer either way.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 203 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-May-2002 10:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 198 (Kronos):
Again, you turn things around. bPlan should apply for AmigaOS4 support, not the other way around. I mean, why would it be Amiga Inc or Hyperions responsibility to support Pegasos customers?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 204 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 10:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 203 (Samface):
Hyperion were the only "officials" who
ever talked about COS4 on the Pegasos,
and for almost 6 months they said:
"Give us a board and the doku and it
will be done "
BPlan newer asked for COS-support, they
were never interessted in a A1-licence
(atleast not after the talks about "MOS
as AOS4" failed) and they certainly
would prefer their costumers to use MOS.
So why should they accept licence-terms
that are against their interests ?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 205 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2002 10:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 202 (DaveW):
Last time I checked the consumer version of the AmigaOne came with a socketed G4.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 206 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 205 (Anonymous):
You have read more than I but thats hardly the point. What is an advantage in one is outmatched by an advantage in another. So called modular CPU upgrades I could easily live without.
But as was said here if BPlan arent interested in supporting AOS4 and AInc dont really want to go chasing after the BPlan hardware market it kind of makes the blame culture on here a bit irrelevant.
If BPlan sign up to the branding scheme then it will be supported
but
BPlan apparently dont want to
Therefore
It isnt going to happen
Beating up Hyperion isnt going to do any good, not least because they are working to a contract.
Why are people having a go at them all the time? If anyone holds the reigns in this its BPlan and AInc.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 207 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 19-May-2002 10:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 205 (Anonymous):
????
Since when? The consumer version of the AmigaOne (or the AmigaOneG3SE) is the same as the dev version and comes with a board-mounted G3.
When was the last time you checked your facts?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 208 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2002 10:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 203 (Samface):
>I mean, why would it be Amiga Inc or Hyperions responsibility to support
>Pegasos customers?
Hint: Amiga is a software developer, bplan a hardware developer. Should nvidia
contact Amiga so that they support nvidia's graphic cards?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 209 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 208 (David Scheibler):
Not sure that works as an analogy. One is a driver for a peripheral and the other is supporting a completely new architected bit of hardware.
Besides, hardware manufacturers for peripherals generally join developer networks, OEM deals etc to get branding and approval for drivers that *they* develop.
Therefore if this analogy was to be correct ( it isnt ) BPlan should be joining the OEM branding deal and offering to write the HAL configuration changes required.
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 210 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-May-2002 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 204 (Kronos):
bPlan obviously don't care for AmigaOS4 on their hardware, Hyperion had a shoot at it but never got a developer board and now they don't care that much either. Who suffers from this? The Pegasos customers wanting to have AmigaOS4 support. Who should be responsible for the Pegasos customers to be satisfied as customers? Well, you can blame Amiga Inc all you want, it still doesn't make sense, ok?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 211 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2002 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 210 (Samface):
bplan has a hardware with at least 2 OS that will be shipped with Pegasos.
Amiga has a only a operating system but they don't develop any hardware. So
it's their problem to support available hardware not bplan's. bplan have what
they need.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 212 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 210 (Samface):
Kronos doesnt really want Pegasos anyway, IIRC you are an x86 advocate so your time might be better spent working with Smithy, Bill and Brecht pushing for AOS4 on Amithlon.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 213 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-May-2002 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 211 (David Scheibler):
Hyperion has Eyetech as their partner just like bPlan has the MorphOS team as theirs, what's your point?
Ok then, let's follow that logic which makes the MorphOS team responsible for making AmigaOneG3SE support, right? Yeah, right...
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 214 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (DaveW):
???????
Lets say I'm undecided, but don't have much
faith in what been done by AInc,Eyetech and
Hyperion.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 215 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2002 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 213 (Samface):
>Hyperion has Eyetech as their partner just like bPlan has the MorphOS team as
>theirs, what's your point?
MorphOS is a bplan project. One and the same company.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 216 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 211 (David Scheibler):
>bplan has a hardware with at least 2 OS that will be shipped with Pegasos.
> Amiga has a only a operating system but they don't develop any hardware.
But they ARE contracting out on a hardware project and they also have the DE "experiment".
> it's their problem to support available hardware
Its their problem to support their chosen hardware and to choose the hardware that they are willing to fund support for. PPC upgrade cards and AmigaONEs fit into that bill.
> not bplan's. bplan have what they need.
And Amiga have what they need.
So why isnt MorphOS stepping up to support AmigaONE? Similar reasons or more political?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 217 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 213 (Samface):
>Ok then, let's follow that logic which makes
>the MorphOS team responsible for making
>AmigaOneG3SE support, right? Yeah, right...
As long as Eyetech doesn't put any "no-MOS"-
code into their flash..... Yeah, right it's
Ralphs reponsibilty !!!
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 218 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 11:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 215 (David Scheibler):
>>Hyperion has Eyetech as their partner just like bPlan has the MorphOS team as
>>theirs, what's your point?
>MorphOS is a bplan project. One and the same company.
AmigaONE and AmigaOS4 is an Amiga Inc project, all part of the same business proposition and effectively for the purposes of contract one and the same "company" on this.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 219 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2002 11:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 216 (DaveW):
>But they ARE contracting out on a hardware project and they also have the
>DE "experiment".
No they don't. They just don't accept the licence.
>So why isnt MorphOS stepping up to support AmigaONE? Similar reasons or more
>political?
Read morphos.de. They don't have any information about the hardware.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 220 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-May-2002 11:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 215 (David Scheibler):
Which makes my point completely invalid? Don't think so. Hyperion and Eyetech are members of Amiga Inc.'s AmigaOne project which makes it Amiga Inc. against bPlan. Please, you're making no sense what so ever with these arguments.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 221 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2002 11:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 220 (Samface):
So the SharkPPC is also an AmigaInc project? Go tell this Elbox.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 222 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2002 11:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 218 (DaveW):
May I quote Hans-Joerg Frieden?
"What has Amiga Inc to do with this? Hyperion is making the operating system
and Eyetech the hardware. So what has Amiga to do with it?" (amiga-news.de
forum earlier this year).
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 223 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 11:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 214 (Kronos):
http://amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=985&forum=1&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0
For example.
In there, you reveal that you are pretty cynical about PPC and you would have to be convinced that what was produced was superior ( in both cases ) to what you have Amithlon (IIRC). This is a very wise standpoint.
You then go onto a bit of a subjective point about having more faith in BPlan/MorphOS vs Eyetech/Hyperion.
You also dont say *why* you have less faith in what Eyetech and Hyperion are up to given the facts.
* neither cartel have released production ready systems.
* both are operating within business models designed to oppose each other.
* both tout incompatible Amiga-a-like operating systems
* both will sell mono-processor systems clocked at 600Mhz (G3) to start with
* both seem to have a fan base that specialises in FUD of the worst kind
* both are far from the kind of pro act you will see taking a major market share of the computer industry
So I cant see why you engage in the silly war there is going on given you have the same starting point as myself.
The only things I have against Eyetech and Hyperion is their ability to keep to schedule - but then I have the same issue with BPlan and MorphOS. Or even the ability to nominate an end date in the first damn place....
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 224 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-May-2002 11:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 222 (David Scheibler):
Completely taken out of it's context. Amiga Inc isn't doing the actual development but it's still their project under their license of their name.
Anyway, your point with this would be?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 225 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 11:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 222 (David Scheibler):
Posting HYF out of context is not immediately useful.
What is useful is the fact that its AIncs branding scheme, AIncs contracted out development scheme and it is a joint project.
So trying to say that MorphOS/BPlans position is somehow different because is ludicrous.
Then why doesnt MorphOS buy an A1G3 like the rest of us? Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 226 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 11:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 223 (DaveW):
Why do I have more faith in Pegasos/MOS
than A1/COS4 ?
BPlan has been showing that they have a
working system in November.
Hyperion has only shown some 68k-screenshots.
BPlan has delievered a unknown number of boards
that are identical to the consumer version.
Up to today Eyetech failed to deliever their
"dev-boards" that were promised for April.
BtW: These boards are just a slighly modifcated
version of a board that existed some time before.
MorphOS has allready some commercial SW-developing
in the procces.
Hyperion say: "If you want to develop for COS4 you
can do it in 68 ".
BtW:The only way to do this for power-hungry SW atm.
is Amithlon (or maybe UAE) ;)))
I heard rumours (from reliable sources) that the
Pegasos will be released early next month.
I haven't heard anything realistic about the
release of the A1-consumer edition.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 227 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2002 11:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 225 (DaveW):
>Then why doesnt MorphOS buy an A1G3 like the rest of us?
They didn't get information about it yet and they don't expect to get any. See
morphos.de. MorphOS supports Pegasos, BlizzPPC and CybPPC. What does OS4
support at the moment?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 228 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 11:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 225 (DaveW):
>Then why doesnt MorphOS buy an A1G3 like the rest of us?
Who says they haven't ?? ;o)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 229 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-May-2002 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 226 (Kronos):
Fine, that's your opinion. The real question is; why do you have such a need to convince everybody else of this?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 230 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 11:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 229 (Samface):
The real question is; why do you have such a need to
read pure MorphOS/Pegasos-related threads ?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 231 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-May-2002 11:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 230 (Kronos):
Why do you avoid the question?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 232 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 227 (David Scheibler):
So lets see.
Hyperion wont attempt port to Pegasos at least until they get the board that they claim to have ordered. Known public information being insufficient.
MorphOS wont attempt to port to AmigaONE at least until they get one. Known public information being insufficient.
Eyetechs board is a modified existing board and therefore is a known quantity.
BPlans board has been working ( albiet buggily according to Thendic - not really a credible source any more ) for some time but not in its final configuration and therefore is a known quantity.
AOS4 claims support for BlizzardPPC, CyberstormPPC and AmigaONEG3 when it gets released.
MorphOS claims support for same minus A1G3 plus Pegasos when it gets released.
MorphOS will be backwardly compatible through emulation to AmigaOS3.x.
Where do you think these commercial apps for MorphOS were originally developed? On 68k. And then ported on prerelease code.
Rumour has it some developers have A1s in their hands at the moment.
Rumour has it some developers have Pegasos's in their hands at the moment.
What has been publically seen of MorphOS and AmigaOS4?
MorphOS
Early alpha quality release which relied heavily on the existing of the 68k AmigaOS 3.x to run.
AmigaOS4
Screenshots of new intuition.
AmigaOS4 binaries will not run on MorphOS1 and visa-versa.
Big deal. Big differences.
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 233 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 11:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 231 (Samface):
Ohhhhh how many question did I ask you in this
thread and how many did you answer ?
I'm not trying to convince "everybody" but I can't
when certain people try to put the blame on someone
that didn't cause the trouble in the fiest place.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 234 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 11:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 233 (Kronos):
Who put the blame on whom first then?
LoL asked that question in all seriousness and then remembered a long time ago as a kid me and my brother used to say "he started it" about the other!
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 235 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 11:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 234 (DaveW):
Its not about who started blaming !
Its about who caused the situation to happen.
I think I allready told clearly what I think
about that.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 236 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 11:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 235 (Kronos):
Medhi Ali started the bad situation.
The Viscorp boys added to it.
PhaseV and H+P added to it.
The Gateway boys added to it.
Amino added to it.
BPlan/Eyetech and Hyperion/MorphOS are both trying to do something about it - fix the situation. Shame they cant work together but thats now a given. At least there is choice in the marketplace.
Now in my mind its more about the future than the past. With a brighter future we still all find a reason to fight?
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 237 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-May-2002 11:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 230 (Kronos):
Because I only crap where there are toilets. ;-)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 238 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-May-2002 11:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 235 (Kronos):
So, let's say Amiga Inc. didn't decide to use this hardware compatibility verification thing and everything was just like before. What makes you think there would be AmigaOS4 support for the Pegasos without cooperation from bPlan? I'm telling you, we would still have this situation + uncertainty. Atleast it's all clear now and it's up to the consumer himself to choose which way to go.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 239 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 12:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 238 (Samface):
<sarcasm>
And besides PowerUP was really open wasnt it, applications developed for it could be used on any PPC hardware that competed with Blizzard and Cyberstorm board couldnt they?
</sarcasm>
Look what happened to Haage&Partner when WarpUP ( PPC card agnostic design ) came along? Ferocious mud slinging campaign against them.
<sarcasm>
Nice people behind that.
</sarcasm>
Dave.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 240 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-May-2002 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 239 (DaveW):
PowerUP and WarpUP was the worst thing to ever happen to the Amiga market and we're basicly seeing the same thing happening again which really discust me. I was neutral during the H&P vs Phase5 war but now I've chosen to go with the official path wich none of H&P and Phase5 ever represented. Sure, the hardware was Phase5's but it wasn't made in cooperation with Amiga themselves which even talked about leaving the PPC completely for a while. The AmigaOne, on the other hand is the real thing and they are the only ones with the slightest possibility of ever making the Amiga platform successful once more. They have the only way forward or no way at all. No Amiga PPC clone will ever make it, it's been tried before and I see no reason for why this attempt by bPlan would be any different from the A/Box, Boxer, or the PiosOne for example, which all of them failed miserably and only caused more damage to the already battered Amiga market.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 241 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2002 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 185 (Adam Kowalczyk):
>Licensing and protection of intellectual property is only "ugly" to people who have intentions to pirate software.
This reminds me of Elbox<>P96...
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 242 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2002 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 192 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Just that word discredits anything you have to say Stefan.
Can you provide his last name, too? :-)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 243 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-May-2002 13:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 242 (Anonymous):
LOL! Mr. Anonymous asking for personal information... Get your own identity! ;-)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 244 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 242 (Anonymous):
And what are planning to do
with this usefull info ?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 245 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 19-May-2002 13:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 192 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"We did the only possible thing: we released screenshots of Intuition v50 in action.
And then you come along and call it COS."
As far as I know, Stefan started to do so BEFORE you released screenshots of Intuition v50... In other words, your agrumentation is flawed.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 246 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 245 (André Siegel):
Nope
(shortly) after the screenshots, which makes
him right about that point, but not if says
I would think that COS4 was only about some
gfx-patches.
I just think there too much concentrating
on adding non-essential parts while the core
does seem to be "heavily" unfinished, and
the COS thing is more aimed at the hype the
screenshots produced inside a certain part
of the community who really seem to think that
thats the important part of the OS.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 247 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-May-2002 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 245 (André Siegel):
Now you lost me, why would he else call it COS?
Anyway, to get back at him, to me MorphOS is an AWBAmiga Wanna Be.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 248 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 19-May-2002 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 246 (Kronos):
That's odd. I feel like I've heard the name 'COS4' for months now...
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 249 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 19-May-2002 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 247 (Samface):
"Now you lost me, why would he else call it COS?"
The feature list of OS4 has been public for quite some time now. One can easily find out what Hyperion will be concentrating on for the first release so it was not quite as unlikely that he used the name before, as you now seem to indicate.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 250 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 19-May-2002 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 246 (Kronos):
So if you were Ben you would fire 29 developers, stuff Thomas in a closet with his PPC until he has the new kernel 100% perfect, then go out and hire more developers to work on the other 95% of the project?
Wise decision, bunghole :)
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