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[News] Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled!ANN.lu
Posted on 21-May-2002 18:00 GMT by Christophe Decanini179 comments
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From MorphOS News.
The Pegasos presentation in 'neues' has been cancelled. An official statement will follow.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 21-May-2002 16:04 GMT
and please be civilized ...
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Posted by cOrpse on 21-May-2002 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christophe Decanini):
I've got a feeling this will be pretty quiet ... this isn't amigaOS news no reason for them to bitch and no reason for me to get mad :)
Altho it is a shame to see it cancled , i would liked to see what the current state of morphos is.
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Posted by redfox on 21-May-2002 16:20 GMT
We will have to wait and see what developes.
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Posted by redrumloa on 21-May-2002 17:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christophe Decanini):
I should be civil? Who me?? No god da**** I *HATE* AOL!!
F*** AOL!!!!
SCREW AOL!!!
Sorry Christophe!
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Posted by redrumloa on 21-May-2002 17:06 GMT
>The Pegasos presentation in 'neues' has been cancelled. An official statement will follow.
I smell lawsuit. Why else wait for an official announcement?
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Posted by DaveWGagged on 21-May-2002 17:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (redrumloa):
Mmmmphf mmmpff mmmpf!
mffffppppph!
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Posted by cOrpse on 21-May-2002 17:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (redrumloa):
Yeah i hate aol too , but listen to what i have to say first :
I live in the Uk , AOL is the only isp that does a flatrate and doesn't disconnect every two hours .
Also i use the net connect software .. AKA not the normal aol ... and the
amiga doens't mind accessing the internet via proxy on the pc and thats what
matters.
I think AOl uk is a slightly different beast then the american outlet , altho the software sucks still ... Anyone else hear that connie got mugged lol , not that muggings funny just it was connie of course.
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Posted by Akaru on 21-May-2002 17:32 GMT
I'm in the UK, I use blueyonder and they don't cut me off after 2 hours and its flat rate. ;p
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Posted by Amifan on 21-May-2002 18:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christophe Decanini):
Yes Sir, I would like to ask in a very politely way, from who they got this news from.
Let me speculate a bit in an even more civilised way:
Since bPlan and the MorphOS boys are despirate for some advertisement to the masses, I cannot believe that they would like to risk their whole project by cancelling this DEMONstration and receiving both "bhooooos" from the amiga "commmunitie" and a free advertisement like: " We wanted to have demonstration of the pegasos in our show, but apparently they are not able to show a functioning machine" to a couple of million watchers.....
So it's more like " Hey psssst, are you aware of the fact that you are showing an machine which runs an illegal OS and claims to be an Amiga, while it has no official certificate".
So I guess that the second one would be more realistic........And I love it :-)
Oh ahum.....sorry.....well.. in a civilised way of course ;-)
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Posted by Kronos on 21-May-2002 18:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Amifan):
Nice plot....
but AFAIK it wasn't canceled by bPlan.
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Posted by Amifan on 21-May-2002 18:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Kronos):
Well yes, that is what I ment: "someone" whispered that to sat3 and made sat3 cancel it :-)
So now we will see how great these thendric lawyers really are, I guess.....
/Me is getting something to eat, is sitting back while enjoying the upcoming show......
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Posted by Raffaele on 21-May-2002 18:12 GMT
Damn... the Morphos site is not working for me...
Not found...
I'll check it ASAP...
Bye
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Posted by Rik Sweeney on 21-May-2002 18:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Amifan):
Amifan makes a good point.
"What is MorphOS?"
"Well it's an OS solution based upon Amiga OS"
"Aren't Amiga making their own solution?"
"Yes they are."
"Do they find?"
"..."
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Posted by Rik Sweeney on 21-May-2002 18:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Rik Sweeney):
"Do they mind?"
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Posted by cOrpse on 21-May-2002 19:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Akaru):
COOL! i've wanted another isp for months !! , whats the monthly charge and will they give me free months if i ring up and make a fake complaint , AOL allows does hehe .. I would have gone for demon but my dad went and did aol without me knowing eek
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Posted by Amifan on 21-May-2002 19:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Rik Sweeney):
Hmm... wel.. I'm not very suprised that someone from AmigaInc said to Neues something like: Are you aware that we will take legal actions against this product you are demonstrating in your show because it violated out IP.
Response: "Oh uhm...no we didn't know that. In that case we cancel it. Have a nice day."
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Posted by Jon on 21-May-2002 19:09 GMT
This is sad. I would like to have seen the presentation.
Just 2 hours away from ANN and immediately many news strikes meanwhile..things are getting really hot.. This will be a hell of a summer!
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Posted by Con on 21-May-2002 20:17 GMT
Hey - it's an info from a lousy IRC channel. Nothing really serious.
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Posted by smithy on 21-May-2002 20:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (cOrpse):
>COOL! i've wanted another isp for months !!
I'm with BlueYonder too. The only catch is that BlueYonder is part of Telewest, and you need a Telewest phone line.
It's a very good service. It's £10/month for dialup. No cutoffs or adverts, and the connection speeds are faster than my former pay-monthly ISP. For broadband, it costs £33/month.
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Posted by Bandaren on 21-May-2002 21:57 GMT
Perhaps this is the beginning of a new chapter in Amiga history where we will se everything go down the drain due to expensive legal issues.
Perhaps it's to late anyway. I don't even see Amiga Inc's vision in Amiga One.
Bandaren
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Posted by Darrin on 21-May-2002 23:35 GMT
If it's a MOS issue that's caused the demonstration to be cancelled then why don't bPlan simply demo the machine running LinuxPPC? After all, it would at least show that the board runs perfectly and people will get to see it "in the flesh"... I mean, it DOES run perfectly??? Doesn't it???
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 21-May-2002 23:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Darrin):
Without MorphOS the demo does not make any sense.
A new OS running on a new computer can be a good subject for a TV station.
Linux running on a ppc clone is not that exciting.
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Posted by Darrin on 22-May-2002 01:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Christophe Decanini):
Well as this was advertised as a "Pegasos demonstration" and not a "MorphOS" demonstration I figured that it was the HARDWARE that was important. If bPlan were interested in selling Pegasos to the linux community as well as MOS fans (which I'm sure I read somewhere) then I would have thought that the free advertising that the show offered them would have been fought for tooth-and-nail.
I know nothing about this TV station, but if it's presenters are anything like the ones on CNN then they could have easily demo'ed the Pegasos running Linux, told the presenters it was MOS - and nobody in the studio except the bPlan crew would know the difference :)
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Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 22-May-2002 04:52 GMT
Any potential legal issues would be directed at Bplan, not the TV
station anyway, so I doubt that's the reason. What is possible, of
course, is that AmigaInc somehow put pressure on the show to cancel
the appearance. Maybe we'll know.
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 22-May-2002 06:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (DaveWGagged):
LOL :)
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Posted by Raffaele on 22-May-2002 06:34 GMT
There are different reasons I think:
Let's examine any possibility I can wonder on:
1) Amiga Inc. is ready to sue Morphos... Morphos is based on Amiga OS so they can't show anything different...
They don't want to be sued so they cancelled the show...
2) They may show only Linux... but then they will only dream about having another -FULL- TV passage i.e. another show in which they are the main guest star... so they declined...
3) They are about to made a show like that in their home-video... (SMILE), but they had noticed that is something good only for family book of memories
(having read all laughing comments users made at that video),
so they are preparing something better...
4) They are kicking off all Amiga related code out of Morphos, leaving compatiblity with Amiga by having an emulator (that is a perfectly legal thing) and it seems to me that it is called ABox,
and only THEN they will present the machine at the TV-SAT show saying «And it runs Amiga programs by emulation!».
5) They have broken the sole and unique Motherboard they have...
6) The OS and the programs are not so good to be viewed at the show so they are preparing some nice demo stuff about it...
7) They have only one motherboard, so having only a limited amount of time in the TV-Show, then they are uncapable to show Amiga progs and Linux progs at the same time...
(boot-show-reset-reboot-show requires a technical time, and we talk about REAL TIME)
so they are preparing some videos with both Amiga and Linux related stuff to be played as video-comments during the tv-show...
8) Add your preferite hypotesis at this list...
Bye,
Raffaele
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Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 06:44 GMT
Now what's this? Where has Morphos-News got this info? Do they know why ?
*Feeling disgussed*
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Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 06:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Raffaele):
How can they sue something that hasn't been released?
If Amiga Inc is behind this, it's only to buy time - because they need it!
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Posted by Neko on 22-May-2002 06:47 GMT
The big deal is:
bPlan were going to show something.
Amiga threw a scare story at 3Sat. 3Sat cancelled on them.. it's "too hot" for
them right now.
You can understand why 3Sat don't want to get entangled with any legal issue.
It's as simple as that: 3Sat are a bit wary and Amiga have screwed bPlan over
based solely on the fact that they don't want you to see what they have for
you. Maybe it is purely a legal reason. Maybe it's a smidgen of jealousy. I
dare say it's a bit of both. Amiga had no idea what was going to be shown on
the show, but I can assure you it would have blown what you've seen of OS4 out
of the water.
Christ knows what the Thendic guys were trying to prove on that video (they
did spill out 1 or 2 peices of gross misinformation) but at least they proved
that the Pegasos exists and people have it and that MorphOS does in fact run
on it.. it's a pity they had to use Glowicons though :P
Neko
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Posted by Phill on 22-May-2002 06:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anders Kjeldsen):
> How can they sue something that hasn't been released?
Because they can. In fact you can sue someone for anything at any time if you have the money, the outcome of the case is another thing. I doubt Amiga Inc would sue unless they thought they would win. If what they are claiming about the MorphOS team having access to source code illegally is true then they probably will win. Whether it's true or not is not worth debating, we don't have the facts & anyone that says they do is biased.
> If Amiga Inc is behind this, it's only to buy time - because they need it!
Yes they do need time, but thats no excuse if MorphOS does infringe their IP/Copyright etc.
Phill
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Posted by Rik Sweeney on 22-May-2002 07:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Neko):
>it's a pity they had to use Glowicons though :P
Yeah, because Magic WB icons are so sexy these days.
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Posted by Rik Sweeney on 22-May-2002 07:12 GMT
If I bought a some Intellectual Property and found out someone was making a product based upon my IP (based being a very loose term), I'd sue the crap out of them. Why the hell should someone make money out of something they haven't paid a cent for? Can you imagine if Amiga sued MorphOS and lost? I'd be ripping off products left right and center.
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Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 07:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Phill):
>>How can they sue something that hasn't been released?
>Because they can. In fact you can sue someone for anything at any time if
>you have the money
Yes, of course. My mistake. However, it seems pretty silly to do it, as I don't believe that Amiga Inc knows anything about the development or status of Morphos.
>>If Amiga Inc is behind this, it's only to buy time - because they need it!
>Yes they do need time, but thats no excuse if MorphOS does infringe their
>IP/Copyright etc.
IF, yes. No excuse? No excuse for what?
Actually, I don't think they know so much. If they have taken some action, I believe it's more because they think it's their last chance to stop Morphos before it's being released. A pathetic move, in that case.
And if they sue Morphos/BPlan, I for one will never buy anything from either Amiga Inc or Hyperion again. Because that has nothing to do with what I think this community is all about. I will even put in an extra effort to make their business look worse. And I hope a lot of other people will do the same.
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 22-May-2002 07:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anders Kjeldsen):
So Amiga Inc suing someone about abuse of intellectual property is bad, but Anders Kjeldsen blackmailing someone openly is good? I dunno, really. It just doesn't work for me... ;)
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Posted by John Timor on 22-May-2002 07:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Rik Sweeney):
"If I bought a some Intellectual Property and found out someone was making a product based upon my IP (based being a very loose term), I'd
sue the crap out of them. Why the hell should someone make money out of something they haven't paid a cent for? Can you imagine if Amiga
sued MorphOS and lost? I'd be ripping off products left right and center."
MorphOS came first - before OS4 - and at a time when Amiga Inc had
no AmigaOS plans.
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Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 07:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
You're not that dumb, are you? Can you possibly call this "black mail" ? What are you, out of your mind? :) I'm just telling you all about one of the many SMALL consequences. Who knows, if all these small consequences gather up, perhaps it will be a big consequence.
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Posted by Rik Sweeney on 22-May-2002 07:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (John Timor):
>MorphOS came first - before OS4 - and at a time when Amiga Inc had
>no AmigaOS plans.
Amiga : "Your honor, this company stole our IP and made an OS based on it."
Judge : "Were you making your own solution at the time?"
Amiga : "No."
Judge : "Well then you can't complain."
Yeah, that works. On Ally McBeal.
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Posted by Rik Sweeney on 22-May-2002 07:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (John Timor):
Actually, let's use a real world example right now:
SNK was a Japanese video game manufacturer. They made the Neo Geo console and last year, filed for bankruptcy. A few months ago another company bought all their IP and is making more games including sequels to some of the classics.
Now tell me, if I had started making a sequel to one of their games during the period of bankruptcy and purchase by the new owners, would I be allowed to release that game when I finished it? No I wouldn't, because I'd be violated a copyright. Simple.
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Posted by Robert on 22-May-2002 07:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anders Kjeldsen):
> And if they sue Morphos/BPlan, I for one will never buy anything
> from either Amiga Inc or Hyperion again.
What did you buy from them before?
> Because that has nothing to do with what I
> think this community is all about.
What *do* you think this 'community' is all about?
> I will even put in an extra effort to make their business
> look worse. And I hope a lot of other people will do the same.
Have you any idea how sad & pathetic this makes you sound?
Cheers,
Robert
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Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 07:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (John Timor):
This is not a response especially to you, but the two posts inspired me.
Amiga has become a lot more than a trademark. If someone got the rights on the "word" PC.. Shouldn't companies be allowed to make software or hardware for the "PC" without a license anymore?
I think it's morally wrong for someone to claim rights for a MARKET that has been officially abondoned for 10 years. I don't understand why this community prefers a company that is ONLY interested in making money by selling the Amiga-name to ANYONE that's willing to pay for it. I do however, understand that someone WANTS to make money by selling the name.
I admire both Hyperion (except for any attempts to destroy the community) and the Morphos-team. They're acyually creating something for the community. Amiga Inc don't care, as long as they get the money. Any money at all. A little money here, a little money there. I understand them, but I strongly believe that they're NO GOOD for the platform.
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Posted by Gabriele Greco on 22-May-2002 07:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Rik Sweeney):
The point is what is the IP of AmigaInc.
Is OpenWindow() or RemTask() covered by their IP?
Is the term startup-sequence or user-startup covered by their IP? In this case how could exist something like Wine (or it's commercial versions WineX or CodeWeaver's version) without Microsoft to sue them?
The fact is that you can clone an API, Microsoft sued Lindows for the name, not for the contents and BTW they lost. The only point where Amiga Inc. MAY sue the MorphOS crew it's the fact they could have seen restricted closed sourced code and I think that also in that case it would be quite difficult to win given the facts that large parts of OS where already pubblically available through various books.
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Posted by anarchic_teapot on 22-May-2002 07:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (John Timor):
And they were given the chance to work with Amiga Inc and be the next Amiga, and they blew it.
Nah, conspiracy theories (AInc are big bad boys because they don't let people use their IP without permission - ooohhhh) are all great fun? but I reckon it's simply because the bPlan board doesn't actually work well enough to last out a *real* 5-minute demonstration.
I find this quite hilarious, given that "bplan" is a common abbreviation for "business plan": this bunch are very unbusiness-like. I'm sure they're technically pretty competent, but they are not businessmen at all.
PS Hint for the hard-of-thinking. What came before MorphOS? Nothing, or AOS3.x with PPC support?
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Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 22-May-2002 07:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anders Kjeldsen):
> And if they sue Morphos/BPlan, I for one will never buy anything from either Amiga Inc or
> Hyperion again. Because that has nothing to do with what I think this community is all
> about. I will even put in an extra effort to make their business look worse. And I hope a
> lot of other people will do the same.
-
That sounds pretty dumb to me. If they consider MorphOS to be illegal, they should feel free
to sue the bastards. If they win, they are probably right. If they sue them merely to win
time, that's another issue. But as long as they consider MorphOS to be illegal, they are both
morally and legally correct to sue. If you would want to start discrediting Amiga because of
that, go ahead, make a fool of yourself. It doesn't take a big man to be petty.
-
You want my take on this? Here goes: You just really like MOS, and want to see it released.
None of us really know if it is illegal, but additionally, you don't really care either. Now
that you are realizing that it might be, you get nervous. And then you start making pointless
threats, and ludicrous statements like "this is not what the community is all about". I could
use the same reasoning: "Ripping off IP isn't what this community is all about".
-
If, however, Amiga is indeed doing this just to win time, I'll eat every word. In that case I
would also be disgusted by their business practice. And maybe opt for MorphOS. Or something
else.
-
Kay
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Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 07:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Rik Sweeney):
>Now tell me, if I had started making a sequel to one of their games during the
>period of bankruptcy and purchase by the new owners, would I be allowed to
>release that game when I finished it? No I wouldn't, because I'd be violated
>a copyright. Simple.
I agree. But I would never compare this episode with our situation.
Do you know anything about the Microsoft "case"? (I don't know much, but I know a little) The government wants to split a company into 3(?) parts. Does that makes sense, really? Can they do that? Why can they do that? Would do they try to do it if it wasn't possible? The 9(?) states think that Microsoft is too BIG. Too big. Is that possible? I see a similar situation here. Amiga Inc has totally lost the control of the market. Of course, no-one should be able to use the NAME, "Amiga". No one should be allowed to use sources that are owned by Amiga. But the market, I think they should have NO ownership of that. The 9 states even wanted it to be possible for other companies to make THEIR versions of Windows.
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Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 07:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Robert):
>What did you buy from them before?
Good question.
>What *do* you think this 'community' is all about?
I think this community is about getting new products, be happy about new products, be thankful about new products. Actually I was supposed to write "was" and not "is". But now, I get the impression that some people think we have too MANY products. Which makes no sense to me.
>Have you any idea how sad & pathetic this makes you sound?
To you and many other people? No, I don't. Why sad and pathetic?
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Posted by Robert on 22-May-2002 08:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Hi Anders,
> Why sad & pathetic?
Well, Kay Are Ulvestad put it better than I ever could when, about 3 posts up, he said:
"You want my take on this? Here goes: You just really like MOS, and want to see it released.
None of us really know if it is illegal, but additionally, you don't really care either. Now
that you are realizing that it might be, you get nervous. And then you start making pointless
threats, and ludicrous statements like "this is not what the community is all about". I could
use the same reasoning: "Ripping off IP isn't what this community is all about"."
If you can't see how behaviour like this is sad & pathetic, then it'll take a better man than me to explain it to you.
I understand your frustration. I'd like to see MOS released too but this type of behaviour is silly.
PS to Kay: Hope you don't mind me quoting you but that pargraph hit the nail right on the head.
Cheers,
Robert
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Posted by Casey R Williams on 22-May-2002 08:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Rik Sweeney):
Not so simple. If you changed the name and look of your sequel, you certainly could release it. Why isn't Linux an infringemnet on Unix?
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Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 08:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
>If they consider MorphOS to be illegal, they should feel free to sue the
>bastards. If they win, they are probably right.
Yes, they can feel free to do whatever they want. I've been enjoying this compter for 10 years. Is Amiga Inc finally going to put an end to that joy? Not on my watch :p
This has nothing to do with Morhpos in particular. I mean, this has nothing to do with what -I- think about Morphos. It's about a company trying to destroy all competition in a market that is already small enough. This is just as pathetic as the PCI-"war" we had 1,5 years ago (I guess it's still alive). With the Voodoo-drivers. Of course, DCE was allowed (as far as I know) to get a "exclusive" deal, but nobody in the community liked it. If it wasn't for that, we could have had a lot more drivers today - on all boards.
>If, however, Amiga is indeed doing this just to win time
Well, first of all, we don't know (as far as I know) if they have sued them yet. If they have done it, then I believe it's only to win time. Mediator was the first PCI-bridge to be released, it was also the most sold one. If Morphos is released 6 months before AmigaOS4, wouldn't that be a huge advantage?
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Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 08:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Robert):
>If you can't see how behaviour like this is sad & pathetic, then it'll take
>a better man than me to explain it to you. I understand your frustration.
>I'd like to see MOS released too but this type of behaviour is silly.
I can see how some people THINK it is sad and pathetic. But as long as they can't explain why, these are just FEELINGS. And I don't care much for your feelings about this case, I'm afraid.
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Posted by gz on 22-May-2002 08:08 GMT
I'm willing to wait before making any hypothetical accusations/prophecies of what has caused the show to be cancelled.
A reason was told to be announced and we should all wait for it before sinking into another endless debate over the same damn arguments all over again.
Also for the people raving about how MOS contains something illegal, WAIT for a court hearing before mouthing off, because at the moment not hyperion or even amiga inc can be certain if there is a case against MOS team. Amiga inc are playing it safe and giving out a warning incase their suspicions are correct.
If MOS can come out clean, GOOD. If it is found guilty as charged, then I am very disappointed by the manner RS and his team have been managing their project.
For now I refuse of believing any crap the pro AOS/AI lobbyists are trying to urinate on the mos team. The same goes for ppl who are just as blindly as the ones mentioned above, following a name of MOS without knowing if they are right with their arguments and accusations against hyperion and OS4. (obviously that is targeted for only those purists who care nothing else than about a name of a brand or a product, not of what it's consisted of)
The only way out of flaming is shutting the F* up and waiting for some REAL evidence such as an outcome from a court hearing. Talking about why OS4 or MOS is better and more legal than the other is completely useless as neither product can be purchased and compared/tested at the moment, thus all depictions and prophecies are based on thin air.
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