| [News] Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! | ANN.lu |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 51 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Robert on 22-May-2002 08:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 49 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Hi Anders,
It is sad that you have been reduced to making petty comments like the one that follows, as I actually share some of your views.
It is pathetic because AInc/Hyperion won't give a badger's tadger about your futile "extra effort to make their business look worse". i.e. it will make no difference.
> I will even put in an extra effort to make their business
> look worse. And I hope a lot of other people will do the same.
The above statement is Sad & Pathetic. Period.
Cheers,
Robert |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 52 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by John Timor on 22-May-2002 08:25 GMT | In reply to Comment 37 (Rik Sweeney):
>Amiga : "Your honor, this company stole our IP and made an OS based on it."
How does MorphOS steal Amiga's IP? |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 53 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 22-May-2002 08:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 36 (Anders Kjeldsen):
"I will even put in an extra effort to make their business look worse. And I hope a lot of other people will do the same."
What would you call that? Hey, if you don't give me 1000 UKP, I will do everything I can to make your business look bad. That's what blackmailing is _all_ about. Actually, it's more like extortion, isn't it? And a bit like the good old american way of taking "protection money", in that the only thing you are buying insurance against is the people you pay... I don't like your thinking one bit, and I hope you don't get away with it ;) |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 54 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 22-May-2002 08:51 GMT | Hey all,
I just checked the 3sat site (http://www.3sat.de/programm.html) and on the date & time Bplan would be appairing i find no referrence to them at all, however, there is a mention of AOS4. However, i'm not the best german reader in the world, so i might just be missing something ;)
Amon_Re |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 55 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-May-2002 08:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 51 (Robert):
>It is sad that you have been reduced to making petty comments like the one
>that follows, as I actually share some of your views.
>It is pathetic because AInc/Hyperion won't give a badger's tadger about your
>futile "extra effort to make their business look worse". i.e. it will make no
>difference.
I know, they won't care about 1 person. Does that make it illegal for me to express my attitude? |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 56 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 22-May-2002 08:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 48 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Defending your IP is NOT the same as ruthlessly eliminating competition. It really depends
on which Amiga is actually doing. You seem pretty confident it's the latter. I'm not. That's
why I'm not threatening to "boycot" (sic) and discredit them quite yet.
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Oh, and to Robert: No, I don't mind. I'm honored in fact. Most of the time, people only quote
me for the purpose of poking holes in my statments :-)
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Kay |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 57 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 08:54 GMT | In reply to Comment 53 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
You're wrong. This isn't even about money. Which is a very essential part of a blackmail. (money or any other valueable thing) |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 58 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by unimportant on 22-May-2002 08:55 GMT | FUCK YOU Amiga Inc. FUCK YOU Ben H. !
DIE AND GO TO HELL !!! |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 59 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 22-May-2002 08:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 58 (unimportant):
Can someone please unplug this guy's modem?
Amon_Re |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 60 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by o1i on 22-May-2002 08:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 54 (Amon_Re):
the 3sat web page says:
"...
Der "AmigaOne" wird neu aufgelegt und Ende Mai bekommt das Amiga-Betriebssystem ein neues Gesicht: "Amiga OS 4.0". "neues. computer und mehr" präsentiert den Rechner für Nostalgiker im neuen Gewand live im Studio."
So I'll try to translate ;):
The AmigaOne will be reissued and the Amiga operating system will get a new
face: Amiga OS 4.0. "neues. computer und mehr" presents the computer for
people loving old things ("Nostalgiker" in English!?) in a new form live in
the studio.
(sorry, if there are any errors ;)) |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 61 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 09:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 56 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
Nono, you totally miss my use of "if" and "in that case" etc. All I'm saying is that THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN - IF. I don't even know IF Amiga Inc has done any legal actions yet. I wouldn't consider it as a threath either.
Btw, I answered as anonymous above somewhere. |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 62 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Robert on 22-May-2002 09:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 55 (Anonymous):
Hi Anders,
> I know, they won't care about 1 person.
> Does that make it illegal for me to express my attitude?
Of course not. Where did I say that?
I really do understand your frustration. I just think you went a little overboard, that's all.
Like I said, I'd like to see MOS released too.
Cheers,
Robert |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 63 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 09:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 62 (Robert):
>Of course not. Where did I say that?
You didn't say that exactly. You said:
>It is pathetic because AInc/Hyperion won't give a badger's tadger about your
>futile "extra effort to make their business look worse". i.e. it will make no >difference."
So I say: No, they "won't give a badger's tadger", but should that necessarily stop me from expressing my attitude on a forum? :) |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 64 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 22-May-2002 09:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 60 (o1i):
That's what i guessed, thx ;)
But as you can see, no mention of bplan or MOS, so i guess it is safe to assume that it has indeed been cancelled, even more, it sounds as if they'll be presenting AOS4 (ok i might be misinterprating things), and that might be why bplan is cancelled, if they can get the "real" thing instead of a "copy".
(Not saying that MOS is a copy of AOS, or that MOS is any less real then AOS, just covering my tracks ^_^)
Amon_Re |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 65 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by priest on 22-May-2002 09:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 58 (unimportant):
LOL!
Amiga rulez! |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 66 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 22-May-2002 09:25 GMT | In reply to Comment 63 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Stop you giving your view of things? no. Stop you threatening them that you will hold your breath and stamp your feet until they drop the charges? Hopefully. If you don't stop giving your view on things I'll tell all your friends how much you suck, and I won't take their sniggering either. If they take your side I'll hunt down THEIR friends as well. You getting my point yet? Please don't try a childlike response like that against a lawsuit, man ;) |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 67 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 22-May-2002 09:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 60 (o1i):
So "neues" was really looking to get an AmigaOne with AOS4 in studio and fucked up and phoned bPlan instead, that's the theory now? LOL. |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 68 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Robert on 22-May-2002 09:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 63 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Hi Anders,
>So I say: No, they "won't give a badger's tadger",
>but should that necessarily stop me from expressing
>my attitude on a forum? :)
I think you've misunderstood me. (again?)
No-one is saying you can't express your attitude. Quite the opposite.
I only told you what I thought of one of your comments.
You can express your attitude as much as you like but you should also be prepared for others not always agreeing with it.
Cheers,
Robert |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 69 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 22-May-2002 09:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 67 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
LOL ;)
No, that's not what i meant ;)
But it is possible that Ainc phoned them saying that they have the A1 & AOS4 :)
Anyway, this is just all speculation, we'll have to wait for the show to know, if anyone can grab & divx it, please do ;)
Amon_Re |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 70 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 09:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 69 (Amon_Re):
Well, I'd love to see a presentation of AmigaOs4. Let's hope it's more than an animation demonstrating transparent menus :) However, I don't think so. I think Ben Hermans would be the first to let us know if this was the case. |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 71 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 22-May-2002 09:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 69 (Amon_Re):
It was a good theory, though. Anyway, they DID say A1 and AOS4, not Pegasos and MorphOS, so maybe there was some stupid journalism involved. Just cancelling instead of trying to paddle away from showing the wrong product might have been easier. Journalists, can't live with them, can't shoot them and get away with it. |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 72 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 22-May-2002 09:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 70 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Yes, i to think Ben would have announced it if this were the case, i suppose i could give him a ring & ask, but i'm sure he has better things to do then listening to me whining & nagging ;)
Amon_Re |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 73 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 22-May-2002 09:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 71 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
Couldn't agree more ;)
Amon_Re |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 74 of 179 | ANN.lu |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 75 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 09:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 66 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
It's you who do not get the point, Ole-Egil. "If I get this job, I will take you all do dinner" - "Oh my god, he's threatening us to take us to dinner, oh my God!". You see, telling about a consequence isn't neccesarily the same as a threat. That's why, in the movies, people who feel threatened often ask "Are you threatening me?". I'm not threatening anyone, but just so you know it: I will not support a company who uses dirty tricks to slow down the development of competitive product. (And no, this was not targetet at anyone yet)
To boicott something cannot be a personal threat. One can say it could be "a threat for business", but then the word is used some what differently.
However, whatever your conclusion is; the word "threat" makes it sound a lot more worse than it is :) |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 76 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 09:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 74 (o1i):
".. There won't be a demonstration of the AmigaOne on 3SAT until we have a fully working operating system." (Ben Hermans/Hyperion)"
Well, that COULD be a GREAT excuse, wouldn't it? :) |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 77 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 22-May-2002 09:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 76 (Anders Kjeldsen):
I don't get it, sorry
Amon_Re |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 78 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 10:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 77 (Amon_Re):
Well, it was some sort of a joke..
Bplan: Hey, we're gonna be on TV
Audience: Hey, why do Bplan get to get on TV and not Hyperion/AmigaOS4/AmigaOne?
Hyperion: There won't be a demonstration of the AmigaOne on 3SAT until we have a fully working operating system.
And if AmigaOne/Os4 still was to be seen on TV on the 27th, it would just show how true that statement was :) Well, I don't believe this is the case though. |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 79 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 22-May-2002 10:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 78 (Anders Kjeldsen):
LOL i see :)
Off course, it could mean that the OS was finished, but i doubt even the coders at hyperion are *that* fast ;)
Amon_Re |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 80 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Jon on 22-May-2002 10:21 GMT | So has anyone contacted 3SAT or this "neues" folks?
Will there be IRC on monday anyway? |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 81 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 22-May-2002 10:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 75 (Anders Kjeldsen):
You didn't just say you were gonna boicot. You were talking about a crusade to ruin their business. Either tell me you didn't mean it that way, or stop talking now.
"I will even put in an extra effort to make their business look worse. And I hope a lot of other people will do the same."
That's not a boicot, it's an embargo :) |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 82 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by u on 22-May-2002 10:32 GMT | The announcement, referring to a1 + AOS V4 at the neues-site is old. They just messed up AOS and MOS. Tat might happen if you´re no member of this "community" since both systems are a bit similar...
ridiculous how ppl here fight about to systems other ppl mess up with ´coz they´re so similar! |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 83 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Peter Gordon on 22-May-2002 10:38 GMT | Ooh. It does actually say on the 3Sat site that they will be presenting the AmigaONE and OS4. Interesting. These are exciting days we live in arent they?
Oh wait, this is ann.lu isn't it? ok.. ok.. i'll be abusive then.. here goes...
*sigh*
UR ALL WRONG AND IM WRITE!!!!!!!@@@!!!111 Y DON'T YOU ALL JUST GET STUFFED!!! NER NER NEE NER NER!!!!!!1111!!!1!!1
Was that OK? |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 84 of 179 | ANN.lu |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 85 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Robert on 22-May-2002 10:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 83 (Peter Gordon):
Hmm...not bad.
A little bit more offensive next time & you'll be there ;)
Cheers,
Robert |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 86 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 11:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 81 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
>You were talking about a crusade to ruin their business.
Crusade? Right.
>That's not a boicot, it's an embargo :)
That? No, that's something that is in ADDITION to the boycott. Actually, it has little to do with the boycott. But yes, it's my personal interest that Amiga Inc gets lost. No matter if they follow "the law" or whatever they do. |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 87 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 22-May-2002 11:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 83 (Peter Gordon):
Hmm...not quite right, I'm afraid. The problem is that you are too coherent. A
more fitting statement would be:
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UR ALL WRONG IT IS I WHO IS RITE AND THIS IS REASON WHY BIL MCEWN AND FLLECI IS
NERVUS IT IS WHY THEY KNOW THAT WE DONT BUY THIER STUPID LIES AND NOW THAT THEYR
ONLY TRYING TO GET MONEY AND THAT IS NOT WHAT I WILL SIT DOWN AND TAKE YOU KNOW!!!
I READ THEIR COMMENT AND LOL THAT IS FUNNY AS SHIT AND THIS IS THE ONLY WAY BEN
HERMANS AND HYPERION GET OFF U KNOW!!!!
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It is also a plus if you find the longest post in the thread and quote it in its entirety either
below, in the middle of, or at the end of your own post. That way you can be sure that no
post is longer than yours, and people will think that you know more than any other poster. If
someone uses the same tactic with your post, you just repeat it. Eventually everybody will
give up and admit that you are right.
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Kay |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 88 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Peter Gordon on 22-May-2002 11:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 87 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
Ahh right. I think my problem is that i'm not anti-OS4 and i'm not anti-MorphOS, because as I don't work at hyperion, AInc or blan, I don't have all the facts in front of me, and I'm just waiting to see. Its difficult to rant about that... |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 89 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 22-May-2002 11:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 86 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Ok, so it's your personal interest to see AI die, no matter what the law says? I'll just stop this right now, then. You see, you are clearly a fanatic, unable to see that you are wrong. Sad... |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 90 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 11:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 89 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
>Ok, so it's your personal interest to see AI die, no matter what the law says?
>I'll just stop this right now, then. You see, you are clearly a fanatic,
>unable to see that you are wrong. Sad...
They have nothing to do with us. They're willing to do everything for money. If the law said that you had to die, would you approve? And what kind of fanatic am I, if I may ask? :) |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 91 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by anon on 22-May-2002 11:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 88 (Peter Gordon):
I heard you are pro OS4 because you know some of its developers :) |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 92 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 22-May-2002 11:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 89 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
And by the way..
I don't have to go further backwards than THIS thread to see a post where I admit I said something that was wrong/stupid. When was the last time you admited something on these forums? |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 93 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-May-2002 11:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 90 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Exactly, what exactly does Amiga Inc have to do with the Amiga any more? |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 94 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-May-2002 11:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 26 (Raffaele):
>1) Amiga Inc. is ready to sue Morphos... Morphos is based on Amiga OS
No, it's based on Quark. AmigaOS API compatibility is just a feature of
the ABox layer.
>4) They are kicking off all Amiga related code out of Morphos, leaving
>compatiblity with Amiga by having an emulator (that is a perfectly legal
>thing) and it seems to me that it is called ABox, and only THEN they will
>present the machine at the TV-SAT show saying «And it runs Amiga programs
>by emulation!
Well, it _does_ run Amiga programs only by 68k emulation - did you think
otherwise? |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 95 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-May-2002 11:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 29 (Neko):
>Amiga had no idea what was going to be shown on the show, but I can
>assure you it would have blown what you've seen of OS4 out of the water.
What? RageHard playable beta with Altivec enhancements on Radeon8500? :-)
>Christ knows what the Thendic guys were trying to prove on that video
>(they did spill out 1 or 2 peices of gross misinformation)
I guess they were trying to prove the Pegasos -final board- runs (no one
saw it running before in public...).
And not only does it run, it boots into MOS and applications do work, too.
That is more than we have ever seen of AmigaOne, isn't it?
Can you please enlighten us which gross misinformation you actually mean? |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 96 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Eva on 22-May-2002 11:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 9 (Amifan):
You, stupid ignorant, want a flame?
Ok let's go.
Ignorant, we just saw a running Morphos + Bplan at AmigaPlanet in Italy and in Colone 6 months AGO.
Mos+Bplan EXISTS and runS, contrary to VAPOR like OS4 and AmigaOne that was NEVER showed (simply because they are actually VAPOR for stupid SO CALLED amifan).
I think it's better you stay calm and use your brain, if you have it, before you start a flame. |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 97 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Eva on 22-May-2002 11:50 GMT | In reply to Comment 16 (Amifan):
Ahahah every serious tv progs then would ask :" Where is the LEgal acts?? In you mind, or in a court?"
Actually someone can only answer: "In my MS-like mind" |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 98 of 179 | ANN.lu |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 99 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-May-2002 11:54 GMT | In reply to Comment 32 (Rik Sweeney):
>If I bought a some Intellectual Property and found out someone was making a
>product based upon my IP (based being a very loose term), I'd sue the crap
>out of them.
What if you don't own that IP exclusively?
>Why the hell should someone make money out of something they haven't paid a
>cent for?
What does money have to do with the question if someone is right or wrong?
Pure enviousness? |
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| Pegasos presentation in 'neues' cancelled! : Comment 100 of 179 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Eva on 22-May-2002 11:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 24 (Johan Rönnblom):
Right, the word pressure is correct and wise ...
The same prssure that a well know windowed company applies in its market ...
Think if Ainc was corrupted by MS to be sure that Amiga market never grow again ... Afterall they maked nothing in the past two years a part an emulator and two boing balls powered by Tao engeeners... |
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