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[News] AmigaRulez interview with Martin BlomANN.lu
Posted on 23-May-2002 14:05 GMT by Johan "Graak" Forsberg46 comments
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I've done an interview with Martin Blom for AmigaRulez. Read it here.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 1 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 23-May-2002 12:40 GMT
We should all learn from Martin attitude.
Good interview !
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 2 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 23-May-2002 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christophe Decanini):
True, the only things in life are Amiga and Star Wars. ;-)
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 3 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by HooHoo! on 23-May-2002 13:00 GMT
Yay, Martin rocks... and has a great sense of humour too!
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 4 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 23-May-2002 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christophe Decanini):
I agree!
Everybody: READ & LEARN !
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 5 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 23-May-2002 14:25 GMT
I think Martin's singing career was da bomb! He really should have stuck with that. 8^)
Cheers Martin!
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 6 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 23-May-2002 14:36 GMT
I'm getting concerned here. Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. But Graak seems to be making a career in journalism. Now, does anyone know a good journalist who isn't dead? ;)
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 7 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 23-May-2002 15:35 GMT
The community is fortunate to have so many talented and level-headed people still supporting the platform.
The recurring theme that keeps popping up from the more objective thinkers: the success of the system really needs a peaceful accord to be struck between the AROS, Amiga/Hyperion, MorphOS and Amithlon camps. There is a tremendous resource base that could be more effectively used through cooperation. Once OS4.0 is out a tremendous amount of work still needs to be done.
Resolving endian issues is nothing compared to the political antics that plague us. A few people need to suck in their pride and personal agendas and look to supporting the most important group: the user base.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 8 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Andy Hall on 23-May-2002 16:15 GMT
Quick! Someone put Martin in charge of Amiga!!!
It appears that there is a sensible level-headed developer out there after all!!
One x86 Quark based AmigaOS please
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 9 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Johan "Graak" Forsberg on 23-May-2002 16:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
Oh really? =)
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 10 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-May-2002 16:58 GMT
Great attitude! Thanks, Martin!
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 11 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by wouter on 23-May-2002 17:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christophe Decanini):
yep, nice interview and sensible words!
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 12 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 23-May-2002 18:00 GMT
Really great interview! Thanks Johan. Martin is a cool lad ;)
Hello, Jon at the second comment - I guess there can be only one of us..the other will change his nick! :)
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 13 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Ruben Monteiro on 23-May-2002 19:03 GMT
Amiga should come forward and detail their plans beyond OS4. A clear mid/long term vision is essential to any company, and Amiga doesn't seem to have one right now.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 14 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-May-2002 21:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ruben Monteiro):
Is there any mystery about their plans?
1. build up a range of Amiga Anywhere software and sell as much of it
as possible
2. if and when that brings in enough money, consider investing some of
it in developing an AmigaOS 5 along the lines proposed by fleecy about
18 months ago (still on the web site somewhere I think)
As always with expenditure, a case will have to be made inside the
company for any investment in AmigaOS development, and also for buying
the code Hyperion are producing, if Amiga Inc want to do that.
Everything depends on 1. That's the only source of solid income they
have. Nobody makes money on AmigaOS software.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 15 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-May-2002 22:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Andy Hall):
hes a damn fuckwit swedish cunt TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!! only a TRAITOR would say that morefuss is any good!!!!!!!!! GO AMIGA INC!!!!!!! morefuss SUXXORZ!!!!!!!! a TRAITOR like that blum guy would KILL AMIGA!!!!
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 16 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-May-2002 00:34 GMT
>> Do you think Amiga should go x86 in the future?
> "Definitely, but no sane person would try to port the current AmigaOS to a little endian CPU, since it's just not going to work.
Amen brother. End of story.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 17 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 24-May-2002 00:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
hehe thank you for displaying your iq and eq at once.. ;)
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 18 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Bernd Meyer on 24-May-2002 01:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Don Cox):
Sorry to rain on anyone's parade --- but WHY would Amiga take money they make from AmigaDE (AmigaAnywhere) and put it into the black hole that everyone seems to agree Classic AmigaOS is?
Amiga Inc is a privately held profit oriented business. Given the musings about running low on cash which have come out of Snoqualmie on a couple of occasions, it's likely that a lot of it is owned by venture capital providers these days.
The shareholders (aka "owners") would probably not look too kindly on a board that, once returns on their investment finally begin to appear, sinks those returns into an ideologically driven crusade that is bound to fail.
One of the most interesting answers in the recent Hans-Joerg Frieden interview was that he described his current main work as converting games for the Mac. There simply isn't enough of an Amiga market left to provide the kind of money a good programmer will demand and deserve.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 19 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Jürgen Lange on 24-May-2002 03:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Bernd Meyer):
Ah, here you are! :-) Ok, it's hard, to earn a little money in the
tiny Amiga market. And Amiga Inc. isn't really interessted in Amiga
Classic. But AmigaOS 5 will be something different.
I was very pleased (?) about Martin's answers. I like Amithlon, too
and I think I will do also a look on to MOS....
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 20 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 24-May-2002 05:21 GMT
I do not agree on the i686 quotes,
And I do not any thing insane about AROS, calling it hack is like calling Linux an Hack.
Linux is well know name and used as ship servers with power full sever apps.
I will not pick any harder as it is most likely a free speech interview, And I do not se may self answering half as good.
Apart from this I do respect his personal arguments and believes.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 21 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Simon on 24-May-2002 06:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (kjetil):
> And I do not any thing insane about AROS, calling it hack is like calling Linux >an Hack.
From the interview:
"Look at AROS, for example. Has anyone ever heard of a more insane project? It's open source, doesn't even run existing Amiga binaries and and is still next to unusable for most of us. I love it! "
I don't think he meant anything nasty by that.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 22 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 24-May-2002 06:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Bernd Meyer):
I second that.
If one were to evaluate the amount of effort going into OS 4 and then apply normal commercial rates for this development, you would end up at a staggering sum. We're talking at least a million dollar if not more.
The only reason why OS 4 is going to happen at all is because there are some 30 dedicated developers slaving away for minimal to no compensation.
Whether Amiga will step in again and take over Amiga OS development is yet to be seen.
But in any case, OS development will continue under Hyperion.
We are already planning and working on a next OS update which will address some of the issues we didn't have time for in OS 4.0: PPC native AREXX, OpenGL 2.0, more and better 3D drivers, printer system, graphics.library, reworked datatype system with streaming video and audio, further kernel work (full memory protection for new OS 4.0 programs) etc.
OS 4.0 isn't some one shot deal, no "hit and run" affaire.
Now that we are behind the wheel, we're going to take this baby for a spin.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 23 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 24-May-2002 06:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Simon):
NoPe, I do ref to:
<START>
"Definitely, but no sane person would try to port the current AmigaOS to a little endian CPU, since it's just not going to work. Yes, there is a proof-of-concept C compiler out there that generates big endian code for x86, but not many would base a business on a hack.
<STOP>
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 24 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 24-May-2002 07:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (kjetil):
Don't say I didn't tell you.
We're quite convinced it would be a nightmare to try and port AmigaOS to a little endian architecture.
Could it be done? Ofcourse. Anything can be done given sufficient resources.
Would it be worth it?
I very much doubt it.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 25 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 24-May-2002 07:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Just to bring a little balance after the chest beating, Martin also said:
<QUOTE>
"It's hard to tell, and you really have to define "success" in order to answer the question. Will Hyperion break even on the project? I hope so! Will it revive the Amiga? I doubt it."
<snip>
"The real question, though, is what happens after 4.x. Once the OS runs on today's hardware, it needs to get the features people expect from today's operating systems. Having an out-of-control process overwriting the file-system's disk buffers just isn't acceptable anymore. While I'm all for taking one step at the time, I do miss a real, no-nonsense road-map for AmigaOS beyond 4.x."
</QUOTE>
With that in mind, I fully agree with comment 7, which expresses my views as well as anything I'd write. I also agree with Martin.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 26 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Simon on 24-May-2002 07:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (kjetil):
I don't think he meant to call AROS a 'hack', I only responded because I don't think you should be putting words (especially insulting words) into other peoples mouths.
I won't bother arguing about AmigaOS being ported to x86. I don't have any strong opinions either way.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 27 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 24-May-2002 08:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Simon):
>I don't think he meant to call AROS a 'hack', I only responded because I don't think you >should be putting words (especially insulting words) into other peoples mouths.
Watt is he talking about if it is not AROS?
It’s his word not mine : -9
I just find it a bit annoying that when some uses the work hack about any attempt of making any OS.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 28 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Simon on 24-May-2002 08:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (kjetil):
> Watt is he talking about if it is not AROS?
>It’s his word not mine : -9
Well, I don't know what "proof-of-concept C compiler" he is talking about, maybe you can explain that one to me. I don't know what that has to do with AROS.
And "no sane person would try to port the current AmigaOS to a little endian CPU", well true I suppose. But AROS isn't a port. It's a rewrite and it's not even meant to be binary compatable.
>I just find it a bit annoying that when some uses the work hack about any >attempt >of making any OS.
So do I.
But I honestly don't think he was having a go at AROS. I don't see hows thats incompatable with his view that the current AmigaOS shouldn't be ported to x86.
It was a good interview, and I thought he didn't say anything that could offend anyone.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 29 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Georg Steger on 24-May-2002 08:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
Who says there are/will be just little endian x86 cpus! ;-)
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 30 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 24-May-2002 08:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Georg Steger):
It doesn't really matter what CPU you use so long as it is
fast
cheap
low temperature
readily available
I don't think the PPC fits this very well.
Apart from the choice of CPU, I'm impressed by Hyperion's plans. It
would be nice if some kind of arrangement could be made to port AOS 4
to Amithlon.
We are fortunate that they were prepared to take the job on.
Ideally, you should not be able to tell what CPU was in use once the
Amiga has booted. (There's nothing except the speed to tell you that
Amithlon isn't running on a 68060).
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 31 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 24-May-2002 09:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Bernd Meyer):
Why would anyone take money made from AA and put in into the "black
hole" of AmigaOS development?
The reason is that there is a bunch of Amiga lovers in Amiga Inc. But
these people would have to make a good business case for the
expenditure. That was the point of fleecy's "home server" concept. (Is
there really a market for home servers?)
Even apart from the people whose money Amiga Inc are using, there is
now a big group there who have never been Amiga users and will have no
interest in AmigaOS.
IMO this makes development of an "AmigaOS 5" by Amiga Inc unlikely.
OTOH the better the job Hyperion make of OS 4, the more attractive it
may seem as a business proposition. If we see something that is
competitive (on features) with Mac OS X, the Amiga will look very
different from how it looks now.
Things like proper printer support (both Postscript and
non-Postscript) are crucial. That needs something like a system-wide
document object model, probably XML based. There's a lot to do.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 32 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 24-May-2002 09:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Don Cox):
Turboprint should be evaluated..it is quite a good system I think and under development.. (for Linux too)
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 33 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 24-May-2002 10:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Jon):
Turboprint is good as an extension of the original Amiga print system.
The big limitation of this system is that it is based on the concept
of dumping a bitmap image to the printer. It was developed before the
introduction of Postscript (and HP's similar language).
For a modern printing system, you need to to work from the logical
structure of the document - text frames, bitmap images and structured
graphics. This applies to both a DTP/wordprocessor layout and a web
page or PDF.
The layout can either be translated into Postscript or PCL code (or
into PDF or XML structured graphics), or it can be rendered in the
computer to give a bitmap image such as a screen display. A screen has
a much lower resolution than a printer, so you can't use the screen
bitmap as a source for a printer output. Well, you can, and it looks
like 1980s tech - see the output from Voyager for a nasty example.
It is possible to render to a print resolution bitmap and output that
to a printer. That has traditionally been done inside each program (eg
Pro Page, Pagestream, WW, etc).
But it ought to be done by the OS, if the programs can output in a
common format such as XML or Postscript or PDF. The OS can output from
this common format in the best way for each printer - ie in
Postscript, mono bitmap, colour bitmap with n channels, etc.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 34 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 24-May-2002 10:46 GMT
this thread has grown slightly relevant to CPU performance issues so:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/25421.html
(nothing major, more like latest rumors about 1.5Ghz G4 and G5, but still...) ;)
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 35 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Ruben Monteiro on 24-May-2002 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Don Cox):
The reason AmigaOS is not seen as a viable future is due to lack of available software. It may even turn out to be the best OS in the world, but this is irrelevant if it can't run any decent software in it.
This is the typical chicken/egg thing, with developers/number of users.
AmigaAnywhere should be the way out to this, but I'd like to see Amiga beeing more clear about it's long term plans for it...
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 36 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 24-May-2002 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Given the predicament with porting, was any mandate set among OS4.x developers to code as much of the new system as possible using a platform-neutral approach?
I couldn't even guess how many dependencies are endian-related in the legacy code, but if new code is being written I would certainly hope that thought was given to reusability. Regardless of any future directions, it would only seem to make sense to develop a war chest of libraries that could be used on virtually any type of hardware.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 37 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 24-May-2002 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Ruben Monteiro):
There is more good Amiga software than some people suppose.
We have good
DTP
paint
image processing
sample editing
audio mixing
MIDI sequencer
landscape rendering
3D animation
architectural CAD
astronomy
email
font editing
programs, and usable software for most other fields.
Of course more programs are always welcome.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 38 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Boy Genius on 25-May-2002 04:17 GMT
In reply to comment 37:
"We have good
DTP
paint
image processing
sample editing
audio mixing
MIDI sequencer
landscape rendering
3D animation
architectural CAD
astronomy
email
font editing
programs, and usable software for most other fields."
Not.
We do not have modern applications in many areas and their are better solutions on other platforms currently. Our word processing and desktop publishing are no where near state of the art offerings from,dare I say it, microsoft. Our web browsers are pathetic.
There is currently no modern midi/digital audio recording software for the Amiga and what software there is was written 680XO Classic Amiga Native. Ditto (same) for sample editing. I understand that Morphos got some commitments from some actual software developers, but we will have to wait and see what applications exist once the war is over. Amiga OS4.O has yet to even emerge as a system yet.
The classic Midi Music applications do not work on Amithlon/AmigaXL for lack of drivers. Ironically the current amiga-one does not have numerous built-in interfaces in line with Modern standards of multimedia ie. firewire, spdif, etc. -this from a platform that invented multimedia.
The best we can hope for at present is for the current Amiga solutions to run our old applications on modern hardware. Hardware must utilize retargetable graphics, audio, and scripting language like arexx to extend capabilities. Also drivers for PCI audio, video and accelerator cards are needed for PCI backplanes as there is no modern Killer hardware like the Video-Toaster for the new Amigas.
The one advantage of the Amiga community is the creativity and entreprenuership of its members. Our only hope is that the current holders of the Amiga intellectual property legacy do not use their bully pulpit to stifle needed innovation and creativity and that the good Amigans don't torch our underpaid developers in needless nerd flamewars.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 39 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by The Editor on 25-May-2002 06:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Boy Genius):
Hmm, No good programs ???
Does that include Pagestream?
or ImageFX ? (Killer app if any)
PhotoGenics ? (Rumour has it that its being ported to AA, so Paul might gain his program an unassailable lead over ImageFX)
Yes the new O/s needs a decent browser ... It'll happen !!
It'll ALL happen in time. But it needs OUR PAYING support to make it so ...
Dammit ... I'd even make a £50 donation just to make it happen (would you or any others ?)
I LOVE my Amiga, And ONLY use my pc cos my work decrees so, and Always use my Amiga where tech/better way, allows it
This post is NOT meant to be a flame in any way ... Just MY view
:)
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 40 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-May-2002 06:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Boy Genius):
"We do not have modern applications in many areas and their are better solutions on other platforms currently. Our word
processing and desktop publishing are no where near state of the art
offerings from,dare I say it, microsoft."
Do you actually use Pagestream regularly? Have you compared it with
Quark or InDesign?
I would say that it compares very well (in the Amiga version).
Microsoft does not sell a serious DTP program.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 41 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-May-2002 06:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Boy Genius):
"There is currently no modern midi/digital audio recording software for the Amiga and what software there is was written
680XO Classic Amiga Native. Ditto (same) for sample editing. "
I'm not sure what you mean by "modern".
If you mean 24/96 that is true, because nobody has a 24/96 sound card
working with AmigaOS yet.
But we have good recording/mixing software (PSA and Audio Evolution -
AE will be for OS4 only) and an excellent sample processing program
(SoundFX). Samplitude is still good for editing.
All of these except the forthcoming version of AE work on Amithlon
here.
The latest version of BarsnPipes works on Amithlon.
Where we are thin is in audio sequencers.
I think a composer working on AmigaOS would be limited by talent
rather than software.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 42 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 25-May-2002 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
|hes a damn fuckwit swedish cunt TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!! only a TRAITOR
| would say thatmorefuss is any good!!!!!!!!! GO AMIGA INC!!!!!!!
|morefuss SUXXORZ!!!!!!!! A TRAITOR like that blum guy would
|KILL AMIGA!!!!
This traitor has done more for the community then you probably ever will...
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 43 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 25-May-2002 14:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
|…endian CPU, since it's just not going to work.
|
|Amen brother. End of story.
It’s so easy to pick little parts of txt and make them sound like if that’s what they mean, I can as well pick another:
“For me, AROS compiled natively (but big endian) on Amithlon would be the perfect Amiga-on-x86 -- at least in the short term”
“Amen brother. End of story”.
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 44 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 25-May-2002 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (kjetil):
|And I do not any thing insane about AROS, calling it hack is like
|calling Linux an Hack.
For what I know, he was referring to Amithlon, which in fact has “a proof-of-concept C compiler out there that generates big endian code for x86”… there’s nothing pointing that would be AROS, on a side note is interesting to see how ppl twist others sayings at their own pleasure… (not refering to you though)
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 45 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 25-May-2002 14:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (kjetil):
|Watt is he talking about if it is not AROS?
|It’s his word not mine : -9
If you don’t understand or have not the knowledge to know what he’s talking about, it’s your fault not him…
AmigaRulez interview with Martin Blom : Comment 46 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 25-May-2002 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Simon):
|I don't see hows thats incompatable with his view that the current
|AmigaOS shouldn't be ported to x86.
He’s not against AmigaOS on x86 thought he’s just being realistic about it, things we Amigans usually aren’t used to be…
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