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neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 51 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by |Lando| on 23-May-2002 22:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Ferry):
>Agreed. The moderator should not allow, at least, insulting messages. What
>a shame... :-(
Hehe. If insulting messages were'nt allowed on ann.lu each thread would consist of about 3 posts...
Frankly, ann.lu is something of a joke.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 52 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 23-May-2002 22:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (GoatRoll):
>Redrumloa, you moron. How did you ever become moderator?
Goatroll, the goat troll of A-Org and now ANN
>I never hacked amiga.org.
I never said you did, I was not refering to you.
>I posted a link to depictions of a beautiful expression of love between adult, >consenting men. Along came your redneck intolerant ass and deleted it, >mumbling something condescending about "beastiality" IIRC.
1)I never even saw the offensive picture, but apparently it was offensive by the amount of PM and emails I received.
2)I was not even the moderator who deleted the offensive post, another moderator beat me to it.
3)Everyone who reported the abuse said it was beastiality.
4)A-Org is *NOT* a porn site. Posting porn of any type, especially under the title 'OS4 screnshots' is unnacceptable.
5)This was not your only abuse, this is why WAYNE banned you. Wayne is the owner, he may do as he pleases.
>I accused you of being a homophobe, but instead of replying you deleted that as well.
Funny I don't remember this, probably because you were BANNED and all posts instantly removed.
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This was in the general forum, so it was no more off topic than e.g. the lunatic astrologist making up fan-fiction about a corporation, the dyslexic giving detailed recapitulations of his pub nights with a broken keyboard or the clown posting 386 CPU instruction listings in the developers' forum and so on ad nauseam.
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Blah blah blah blah. You want to exchange porn, go to a porn site. You will not post porn and troll on A-Org. Listen you freak we have users who are as young as 12 and visitors that are younger. You want children viewing porn? You need serious help. Piss off.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 53 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 23-May-2002 23:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (|Lando|):
I won't agree than ANN is a joke, because it's a labor of love by one individual (plus moderators), that in itself is high quality. But many of the people who post here are a joke.
If either AmigaOS or MorphOS is going to survive, new users will have to be won over because there probably aren't enough existing fans to support the platform financially. Can you imagine an outsider checking out these threads to see what the AmigaOS/MorphOS user communities are like? Really, a lot of you are making a mess of things, and helping to kill the thing you claim to love. I think you will get the computer platform you deserve.
-- gary_c
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 54 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 23-May-2002 23:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Christophe Decanini):
>>- 1 - I'am not biased. My Amiga shop sold thousands of Amiga products. I met personnaly Alan Redhouse that showed us the first AmigaOne proto last summer. I also know some of the Hyperion crew. I also know some of the MorphOS developers. I also spoke a few times with VMC ...
Who you know and what you have seen don't matter. It's the comments you make in the threads, the people you back-up and the people you put down make it quite obvious that you're on the MOS side. OK, you may be one of the more polite MOS fans, but all this "poor bPlan have had their show cancelled coz of evil Amiga Inc" crap has really pi$$ed me off. Either it's a full moon tonight or my happy pills have worn off. Either way, I needed to vent when you posted yet another link to this worthless story and as there had only been a few comments at that time and because you mosted the main news, you unfortunately untered my firing line. Hell, I'm sure you've been called worse than "biased" in your time. I know I have... frequently :)
>>If I was so biased I would have put several links to my shop for example.
That's not being "biased", that's called advertising. No-one can accuse you of that. I know you own a shop (you do mention it in your remarks at times), but I haven't a clue as to what it's called as I'm sure you've never mentioned the name. So, as you have met Alan and know Hyperion staff, how many AmigaOne boards are you going to order for your shop?
>> I would have removed all the OS4 stuff ...
That would be too obvious ;)
>>- 2 - I am on this board to moderate and add some news which I do. I do not select or do favoritism. If it is an AmigaOS4 news i post it, if it is a MorphOS news I post it etc ..
Perhaps it's the "tone" of the news you post.
>>- 3 - Because if you were moderating this site would be completely biased and would not reflect what is going on in the Amiga communauty but what you would like the Amiga communauty to hear.
I think the community want to hear "news" and not "FUD". Some of these "duplicate" threads could have been binned before they ended up rehashing the same old stuff over and over...
>>I'am not happy with every news but news are news. You are free to ask Christian if you want to moderate ANN.
and FUD is FUD. I did once when he was asking for volunteers, but he never even bothered replying. Oh well... I offered.
>>- 4 - Attacking the people that are serving you is not very smart.
Now that sounds like a threat.
>>I may stop to moderate and let the site becoming a big mess. I may also ask Christian to disable the comments to stop all this recent animosity.
Why bother. The first piece of flame-bait even after a week's "time out" will start it all off again. If you want my advice (which I'm sure you don't), simply keep threads "on topic" and jump quickly on any attempts to ressurrect a "dead" thread. Oh, and four letter personal attacks really shouldn't be tollerated. You and I obviously disagree, be we haven't got personal... yet ;)
>> Christian may be tired to do this efforts and stop the site. All of that for a minority of people flaming.
He's lasted this long... I doubt that he'll give up when we're so close to our preferred hardware/software bundles.
>>- 5 - GREW UP if you do not like this news item skip it.
The news item was interesting when it was posted as a "news item", but to bring it up yet again is simply flame-bait. What you posed could have been added to a previous thread as a comment rather that post it as news to re-stoke the fire.
>> If you are frustrated because you have been waiting too long for your new Amiga go out and do some sport, take a book and learn to program, buy an Amiga software and review it ...
Yawn... I'm sure I have less spare time than you. Most of my posts come when I'm at work... that's when I have the most spare time.
>>- 6 - I'am fed up having to say the same thing over and over and to see there is no attitude change. I think I will be away from ANN for a while.
We're all saying the same thing over and over. I get fed up that MOS fans obviously don't know what a "thief" is, or obviously don't care. I'm sick of hearing the same old lies time and time again. Besides, ANN is addictive... no-one stays away for long.
>>- 7 - I thank the readers that enjoy ANN and stay polite, quiet ... I know you are a lot. Please post some interesting news and some comment. It will lower the % of noise we had recently. ANN is a collective effort, show you can help to make it better.
Well said.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 55 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 23-May-2002 23:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Henning Nielsen Lund):
Cripes! Hold the phone, everyone, and have another read of the translation Mr. Lund was kind enough to post...:
> "the originally planned topic Amiga - bake ton the roots is void. For current
> reasons new computer and more will be occupied with the current legal
> developments regarding new media, in particular computer games. Daniel rapid
> welcomes to this topic in the studio the Minister of Justice of the country
> Rhineland-Palatinate, Herbert Mertin (FDP), and a representative of the
> federation of the maintenance software Germany, VUD (inquired)."
Now, I'm not fluent enough in Deutsche to even try reading the original text, but I'm betting whatever Babelfished as 'occupied' has a meaning closer to 'preempted.' I'm not sure exactly how 'big' the position of regional Minister of Justice is (similar to the Chief Justice of a state's Supreme Court in the US?), but I'm sure the man has a busy schedule, and the chance to air a ranking official locking horns with a representative of the German equivalent of the SBA is not an opportunity a good show would pass up.
A company like bPlan will surely be eager to come back the next week/next month, but Herr Mertin might not.* If TechTV ever tried tackling an actual issue, I'm sure Amiga Inc.'s airtimes would be bumped around as well.
While we all love the controversies and trademark issues, it looks like they played no part here (though bPlan can use the extra time to clarify their position to the producers)...
*Yeah, if it were an exclusive with Gates or Jobs, they'd surely bump the Minister... but nobody in the NG Amiga scene has acheived Gates' or Jobs' aura, yet... :)
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 56 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 23-May-2002 23:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (cOrpse):
Sure, how do you think they were coded for, and example code, ever heard of CATS? Did you ever develop on an Amiga or even own one when C= was still around?
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 57 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 24-May-2002 00:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Daniel Miller):
I apologize for drawing the wrong conclusions. I just put 2 and 2 together based on the information I got.
It would benefit bplan if they stated just that on their webpage together with the cancellation note.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 58 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-May-2002 00:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Darrin):
About MorphOS based on sources stolen.
Is there any proof of it?
If there was, i bet Amiga inc. wouldn't have hesitated to sue Bplan.
Or maybe the attack just hasn't started yet :)
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 59 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 24-May-2002 00:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Darrin):
>> we know who you are and we don't want your kind around here.
fuck you asshole
>.Question: Why put someone in charge of "moderation" when the person is so >.OBVIOUSLY biased to a totally hostile competitor?
you obv don't understand what amiga community is..
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 60 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-May-2002 00:21 GMT
I wonder if the people, spitting venom and insulting others on such small things, have more thinking abilities than my dog.. I don't wonder anymore if we'll ever know global peace on greater and more important issues. Seriously, it sounds pathetic when people are full of hate playing smartasses and bad dude anonymously when same fighting people could be around a table with a good beer and loads of laughs...
I wonder if some people do really pay attention to what they write or start thinking a day or week later...
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 61 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 24-May-2002 02:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Darrin):
"The news item was interesting when it was posted as a "news item", but to bring it up yet again is simply flame-bait. What you posed could have been added to a previous thread as a comment rather that post it as news to re-stoke the fire."
I hesitated to do this post. I did it because:
- For ANN users the first post was considered as rumor. Some people were saying that the information could be wrong.
- There is obviously a rescheduling taking place.
As for insults: if I could I would kick people out (whatever side they are) but I would also kick people disrespecting people in other ways:
Saying that someone is a thief without any evidence of it.
Repeting again and again that someone product / software product is bad.
This is just breaking apart the people that made this platform.
You could also get sued for such claims.
What if for example I was accusing you to have prirated all your Amiga software on this board without any evidence just to descredit you ?
And about your "border". If you think I'am your enemy because I'am publishing information that you do not like it is too bad for you as we are not on a totalitarism site where YOU can decide what is published or not.
There are some other individuals on ANN thinking I'am only repeating Ben Hermans.
I have moderated almost all of his posts (except a few Teemu or Christian got first) because he his an important character in the Amiga communauty present/future just like Bplan is.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 62 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Bernd Meyer on 24-May-2002 02:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
The question of course becomes whether the Pegasos was bumped because the minister agreed to come, or whether the minister was asked to fill in after the Pegasos was bumped.
Either possibility is perfectly credible --- as far as I can tell from Australia emotions in Germany have been going quite strongly following a recent Columbine-High-like shooting in Erfurt. A lot of discussion about the effects of violent computer games on the players (are they or are they not desensitizing?). And with a federal election coming up in a few months, the whole thing has turned into something the candidates try to make a point on.
In other words --- computers and violence is a *much* more interesting subject right now, in the view of the general public, than the going-ons in Amigaland.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 63 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 24-May-2002 03:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Bernd Meyer):
After reading this thread i can believe that computers and violence go hand in hand. ;)
GRUNT
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 64 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by NeRP on 24-May-2002 04:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (cOrpse):
haahhahhahhhahh!
Not taking any more shit, are you? :) I took an ann.lu vacation, and
refused to post for a while, since it's the same old shit. Shit as in
people who don't own an Amiga anymore trying to control the Amiga
market.
Anyway, GREETS! LTNS! :)
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 65 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 24-May-2002 04:45 GMT
I can se way Ainc is going go fore and lawsuit, concerning the Bplan box,
If they like to show the computer way not, it is the MorphOS that is pain in the ass for Ainc, not hardware it runs on, if how ever some one were to say, it’s an Amiga Computer then most likely Ainc will say way they think to the ones how is presenting false clams.
Pegasus can only be an Amiga if it runs AmigaOS4 and not MorphOS,
And if it they licenses the Amiga name in there marketing.
If they think of the interference concerning the Workbench on MorphOS, I think Bplan are lucky to be worded about this now and not when the final product is released.
- Pegasus can suited for False marketing as an Amiga Computer,
- MorphOS can get lawsuit for false marketing as an Amiga OS or Amiga Compatible,
- MorphOS can get lawsuit for bundling Amiga listened products with there own, this can be
considered piracy of Amiga Software.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 66 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 24-May-2002 05:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Darrin):
> Question: Why put someone in charge of "moderation" when the person is so
> OBVIOUSLY biased to a totally hostile competitor?
First of all, it's hard to find unbiased moderators. But then again, I'm with Christophe on this one... I would probably have moderated it in just the same way: it is a follow-up to a previous news item, it is Amiga-related, etc.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 67 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 24-May-2002 05:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Ferry):
> Agreed. The moderator should not allow, at least, insulting messages. What a shame... :-(
With the current volume of comments, it is very hard to supervise. While I have some very limited access at work right now, that might change once again next week. So this limits my moderation to just 1 or 2 hours at home. And ANN isn't making anywhere near enough for me to pursue this as a fulltime job - in which case a lot more would be done...
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 68 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 24-May-2002 06:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Prang):
I pretty much agree on the Be thing.
IMO: Be Inc tried to "steal" Amiga Community (with BeBox and BeOS). The community was too smart for that. Now bplan does the same with the exception that they might even manage to run some existing Amiga apps in their emulation box. Will/can the community be fooled this time. I hope not.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 69 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 24-May-2002 06:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Christian Kemp):
CK> With the current volume of comments, it is very hard to supervise. While I have some very limited access at work right now, that might change once again next week. So this limits my moderation to just 1 or 2 hours at home. And ANN isn't making anywhere near enough for me to pursue this as a fulltime job - in which case a lot more would be done...
I can understand this, but wouldn't it be possible to draw up some rules? Let's say, "Anyone writing insulting messages will be banned for X days", or something like that. As I write this comment I read in the top of the page
"Using Abusive language and swear words, or insulting other persons is not tolerated, and any such comments can be deleted with any further warning. You are going to add a comment to a site which is also being viewed by minors or people who are easily offended. Please act accordingly"
It's clear that this is not enough.
Saluditos,
Ferrán
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 70 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-May-2002 06:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (kjetil):
- Pegasus can suited for False marketing as an Amiga Computer,
It has never been marketed as an Amiga Computer by bPlan...
It was a mistake by the 3sat webmaster.
- MorphOS can get lawsuit for false marketing as an Amiga OS or Amiga Compatible.
It hasn't been marketed as AmigaOS. It has been marketed as a OS for Amigas
compatible with Amiga software. This is legal...
- MorphOS can get lawsuit for bundling Amiga listened products with there own, this can be
considered piracy of Amiga Software.
They didn't bundle any software with their own, you're CLEARLY mistaken.
The current public version needs some AmigaOS files, including Workbench
but does *NOT* provide them and *ONLY* runs on Amiga Hardware, so it's legal.
The current version does not need Workbench or any AmigaOS files.
The only versions that need AmigaOS files and do run on non-Amiga hardware
have NOT been released and will NOT be released, EVER!
Got it?
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 71 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-May-2002 06:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (priest):
Have you ever even tried to run MorphOS dude?
1) It doesn't manage to run some amiga software, it runs MOST
Amiga software.
2) It's Amiga like.
3) It's not a completely foreign OS like BeOS was...
4) Would you say the same if OS4 wasn't in development?
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 72 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Turrican on 24-May-2002 06:21 GMT
If bPlan is sued for Morphos and the Pegasos is delayed, more "amigans" will leave the boat.
If the Pegasos doesn't make it this year, the AmigaOne won't replace it this year too. The AmigaOne is maybe "ready" but tons of work (maybe underestimated by OS 4 coders themselves) remain to be done.
Of course, Turrican will be flamed for that, but time will tell. We're getting close to end of May, and still no AmigaOS 4. Nor in June, nor in July.
Don't hold your breath amigans, lies are still there.
Your avenger,
Turrican
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 73 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Altarus on 24-May-2002 06:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Christophe Decanini):
Yes, Christophe I agree with you.
We all need progres 4 our belowed machine
and I don't care if comes fron A or B side.
rgds Altarus in shadow ;-)
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 74 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 24-May-2002 06:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Don’t get angry with me, I’m just stating possible mistakes that can happen, by some MorphOS, Bpaln typo, Se you are all ready in heated debate with some otter poster, I’m in no interest in being burned by any one.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 75 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-May-2002 06:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Anonymous):
"About MorphOS based on sources stolen.
Is there any proof of it? "
Absolutely NO proof whatsoever.
It is purely AInc rattling their sabres, trying to frighten people away from what AInc perceive as very strong competition.
Simple as that.
You can bet that if AInc did have proof, then they would have taken legal action looooong ago.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 76 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-May-2002 06:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (kjetil):
You missed the point.
It was a *3SAT* typo...
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 77 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 24-May-2002 07:32 GMT
Well, it seems quite likely that this wasn't the fault of neither AInc nor bPlan. It
is understandable that Amiga didn't want any Pegasos coverage to be announced as if
it was Amiga related. Rescheduling and reannouncing would fix that. It is also quite
likely that the mistake was made at 3Sat, and that bPlan didn't have time to correct
it before it was too late. In this case, bPlan are not the bad guys, nor are AInc.
-
This all seems quite in order to me, and as I understand it, bPLan will get their
coverage later on, so no real damage is done.
-
Kay
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 78 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 24-May-2002 07:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>Have you ever even tried to run MorphOS dude?
On my 68060/50 Amiga, no. I could not reason the needed investment in CSPPC.
(my friend (ex-MorphOS user) has two non-functional BPPCs (phase5 and dce models) and nowhere to repair them)
>1) It doesn't manage to run some amiga software, it runs MOST Amiga software.
Still not all, so it does not matter to the subject, not even OS4 run all apps.
But I doubt reverse-engineered Amiga compatibility ever becomes as solid as the original.
>2) It's Amiga like.
Yes, perhaps more than BeOS. But still it is not AmigaOS (and it contains 0% of the original AmigaOS code).
>3) It's not a completely foreign OS like BeOS was...
Because of the emulation layer?
IMO: It is completely foreign OS, it might have some Amiga compatibility box, but that's all.
Most likely Quark side of MOS will be very very good, like BeOS was. But I would not like to see it mixed up with AmigaOS.
>4) Would you say the same if OS4 wasn't in development?
If AmigaOS would not be developed further, Ralph's OS & HW would be my plan B.
(and pegasos is more appealing than a bog standard x86)
But still, I could not call it AmigaOS and the community there would not be "Amiga" community.
Since these all depend on people's personal opinnions, there are people who think anything past the original HW is not Amiga. But IMO, Amiga is where the AmigaOS AND it's features are.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 79 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 24-May-2002 07:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> ... If MorphOS was PROVED to be illegal I would say OK. But it hasn't been proved yet
> and still they [AInc] state that it is.
Wouldn't it be more frustrating if AInc DIDN'T say what their problems with MOS
was...? ;-)
It's their opinion and it appears they are ready to defend that opinion
in court. No matter what we may think of BPlan or AInc, there is no 'evil' involved
here at either side. I don't expect the MOS team to back off from the stuff they
have worked on so hard. But face it- Ainc cannot back off either if they really
believe there are IP-infringements involved- not taking action would undermine
their investment and weaken their grip on the trademark (note that I'm saying 'they
think' - I, and most people on these boards, haven't got a clue as to how strong AInc:s
court case is. Only they know - and probably BPlan).
I don't understand that everyone is talking of this as a win-or-loose situation
for BPlan. If they loose a court case, they cannot use MOS (in it's current shape).
But they still have (supposedly) great hardware. They can licence AOS4 to go into the
Amiga market, or (more probable) sell PPC-boards to Linux community. And MOS is not lost!
It would require a re-write, but once all 'illegal' stuff (as I said, if they
are indeed deemed to be illegal that is) is removed, BPlan WOULD have their own OS, late
but beyond AInc:s sphere of interest. It's a setback for BPlan, indeed, but
I don't see it as obvious that this would mean the end of the company.
I really don't see why people, that have not personal involvment in MOS, get so
upset over this. The only reason I can see is that they sense some malevolence in
AInc:s actions. If this is so, and AInc only fake a court case to stall the opposition, I
agree that it is bad business practice and worth the spite from the community. But if
*they* (Ainc) really think that there are IP-problems with MOS, and that those are severe
enough to hold up in court, they simply cannot let it go, at least not without some
agreement/licence/deal/rewrite with/of MOS to guard their property.
That's not malevolence, that's real life.
If AInc looses, well, I don't think they will go down in flames either.
AOS4 and MOS will compete for a while until one of them either branches off
into another market section or is left hopelessly behind. Oh well...
.
SlimJim
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 80 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 24-May-2002 07:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (SlimJim):
And if AI is only licensing the IP, not the real owner, I am betting there is some clausul in the licensing agreement about them having a responsibility to ensure the IP isn't infringed upon. Because that wouldn't just harm AI, but also the real owners, as their claim to the IP would be weakened...
Operative word being "betting", of course...
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 81 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Viktor Schöneberg on 24-May-2002 08:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (priest):
> If AmigaOS would not be developed further, Ralph's OS & HW would be my plan B.
*lol*
bplan? plan b?
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 82 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 24-May-2002 09:06 GMT
In my opinion, this whole Morphos/OS4.0/AmigaOne/Pegasos stuff is getting really ridiculous. I'm ashamed to be an amiga owner.
As for Amiga Inc, instead of going after someone else, they should start and do something themselves first! The "SDK amigaDE next version" is still coming soon (for over a year now). If Hyperion (respect) wouldn't have stepped in and taken matters in own hands, then OS was dead.
As for Morphos, people actually seem to forget that morphos users are amiga users. I know for a fact that some people at thendic, wrote for amiga magazines in a very passionate way! And when they saw that nothing was done with AmigaOS for such a long time, they took matter in own hands and decided to take the step. At least they did something, which is more than most of those "trolls" can say about themselves.
Quite frankly, if hyperion hadn't taken the matter in their hands, i think a lot of people would have been very happy that morphos/pegasos existed and was worked on. But since OS4.0 is worked on, they are ridiculed and attacked in a v ery childish way.
Just wanted to say that morphos usersamiga users, just like you and me. And they at least tried to bring a future to Amiga when nobody else was doing something. A lot of people seem to forget that.
And no, this is no post from a Morphos fanatic, because in the end, i will buy OS4.0. But please think a bit more. You should at least have some respect for people actually doing something instead of posting crap posts on forums like ann.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 83 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 24-May-2002 09:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (cheesegrate):
Kiss my bottom... no, on second thoughts you would probably enjoy it. Yes, you guessed it - YOU'RE one of the individuals I was thinking about. Amazing how you knew that.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 84 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-May-2002 09:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Darrin):
I wonder what turned you from the nice guy you were (we exchanged some emails
quite some time ago) to what you are now....
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 85 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 24-May-2002 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Christophe Decanini):
>>What if for example I was accusing you to have prirated all your Amiga software on this board without any evidence just to descredit you ?
Then I'd post a photograph of myself surrounded by all the boxes of software I've purchased. :)
Anyway, point taken... like I said, I was in a bad mood at the time. Let's forgive and forget. Keep on moderating.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 86 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Wittgenstein on 24-May-2002 09:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (z5):
Well said! I agree with you on all points. I think that we should be happy that there are two efforts to make the next generation Amiga and not fight like spoiled kids. The chans of success is much greater than if we only have had AOS4 or MOS (even if they interfere with each other).
About the legal case aginst MOS we can only wait and see. It is the judge who decides what is legal and illegal, so all this speculation is only a waste of energy.
I think everyone should try both AOS4 and MOS before they decide which one they want instead of flaming eachother before the products has been released.
Let the best OS win!
/
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 87 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 24-May-2002 10:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (z5):
>Just wanted to say that morphos usersamiga users, just like you and me.
Currently, yes. But roadmaps seem differ to different native PPC apps, there will be separate worlds for AmigaOS and Quark apps. (because some leading people seem to prefer so)
>And they at least tried to bring a future to Amiga when nobody else was doing something.
I personally respect that alot (same for people behind AROS, Amithlon, BoXeR, ...), I just wish they would not try to act like GODs and ignore AmigaOS now when the OS is continued.
(and yes I also know that neither Amiga Inc is "innocent")
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 88 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 24-May-2002 11:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I'm still nice. You were not included. I've always pointed out that there is nothing wrong with a healthy debate, but "flogging a dead horse" and personnal attacks of a vulgar nature are a definate no-go. As I remember, we managed to agree to differ without insulting each other (and others do too). However, you can look back to replies to my remarks by "people" (and I use that word in it's loosest sense when refering to this chap) like Cheesegrate and you can see that it takes a totally different tone from yours. Infact, having a polite "slap on the wrist" from you and Chris makes me reconsider my words a lot more than Cheesegrate's comments - his remarks just make me feel justified. Where was the "moderation" then, Chris? :) Just kidding.
Anyway, just ignore me for now. I'm sure I'll be back to my normal "nice" self in a few days. I'm probably just PMS'ing :(
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 89 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 24-May-2002 11:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
Amiga Inc. holds the copyright to the AmigaOS.
Gateway retained the patents but there are about the lapse anyway.
The patents were subsequently licensed to Amiga Inc. on the basis of a perpetual, royalty free right to use the patents in the framework of the AmigaOS.
But generally, you are correct in saying that the holder of a derivative right (like a licenseholder) may take legal action to protect its interests even if the owner of the IP is not interested in taking action.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 90 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-May-2002 11:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Darrin):
I don't ignore anybody. Ever.
Yes, I did see the bullshit other guys wrote but I already wrote
that I strongly disagree with that behaviour... I just commented
you as I didn't do that earlier:)))
SO.... Guys... PLEASE.... STOP IT!
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 91 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by hgm on 24-May-2002 11:54 GMT
Only Amiga Inc. could kill the Amiga OS. Imho is Amiga Inc. a club of
narrow minded hobbyists. No vision and no future, sadly enuf. Do not expect much of OS 4.0.
I feel sorry for Ben Hermans c.s. and many others who put alot of money and effort in a doomed
project.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 92 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 24-May-2002 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Darrin):
>>I'm probably just PMS'ing :(
yeah well ur'e still an asshole ;)
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 93 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-May-2002 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (AmiTroll):
>After reading this thread i can believe that computers and violence go hand in hand.
Hehe, I'm just missing a button with which I could punish my opponents with electrical
shocks. >:-)
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 94 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-May-2002 13:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (kjetil):
>- Pegasus can suited for False marketing as an Amiga Computer,
I think it's not on the market, yet?
>- MorphOS can get lawsuit for false marketing as an Amiga OS or Amiga Compatible,
Only if it's untrue.
>- MorphOS can get lawsuit for bundling Amiga listened products with there own,
>this can be considered piracy of Amiga Software.
LOL, bullshit!
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 95 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by MIB on 24-May-2002 14:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (hgm):
>Only Amiga Inc. could kill the Amiga OS. Imho is Amiga Inc. a club of
>narrow minded hobbyists. No vision and no future, sadly enuf. Do not expect >much of OS 4.0.
>I feel sorry for Ben Hermans c.s. and many others who put alot of money and >effort in a doomed
>project.
Didn't Ben Hermans say did they have a clausule that if Amiga Inc. goes bankrupt, they, Hyperion, can continue development.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 96 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by hgm on 24-May-2002 15:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (MIB):
<Didn't Ben Hermans say did they have a clausule that if Amiga Inc. goes bankrupt, they, Hyperion, can continue development.>
This says it all , don't you think so?
2 years doing their best to survive and in the end it is 6x nothing .
Coming up with an outdated (processor) concept and no cash-flow at all.
I have been using 11 years Amiga. No vision and cash-flow.
My estimate is that before the end of this year we have another bankrupt Amiga Inc.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 97 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-May-2002 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (hgm):
>I have been using 11 years Amiga. No vision and cash-flow.
wORD UP DAWG DAMN MOS IS SO LEET HYPERION AINT SHIT MOS IS SWEET GOD DMAN SUKCER BEN HERMIENS ASS GO TO JAIL FOR FAGGOT TALK DAMN WHY HE FOOL SUCKAR CAN NO TALK THINK HE LAYER MUTHAFUKA POWAR TO LEET PEEPL EVERYWARZ
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 98 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 24-May-2002 16:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (cheesegrate):
lol - well as you're "winking" I'll laugh at this one. Time to look at another news item now... :)
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 99 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 25-May-2002 07:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (hgm):
I think you'd be better off feeling sorry for yourself because we certainly don't need your pity.
Our vision is to preserve the AmigaOS which still excells in many areas: low-footprint, very responsive, very customisable and user-friendly.
In the process of preserving AmigaOS and migrating it to another architecture, we are introducing a lot of new modern functionality such as VM, resource tracking and management, MP, 3D graphics etc.
The idea is not to "take over" the world or launch a full frontal assault on Microsoft or even Apple.
The idea is to carve out a stable niche market for people who endorse the Amiga way of doing things and who want an alternative to bloated operating systems that require 128 MB or more to even run and need very powerful processors to operate properly.
Each new version of Windows cancels out the performance gains in terms of added memory and CPU power.
neues / 3 SAT Pegasos show cancelation confirmation / rescheduling expected : Comment 100 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by NeverNeverShallBeSlaves... on 25-May-2002 07:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Hear hear.
And you can put in a flippin boot screen for once as standard!
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