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[News] The AmigaOne in Leeuwarden (photos)ANN.lu
Posted on 25-May-2002 17:32 GMT by petros1815122 comments
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The AmigaOne was presented in Leeuwarden today. Unfortunately, only openfirmware bios was shown. Photos of the presentation at http://www.amigascene.nl/nieuws/nieuws.htm . At around 15.00 Computer City brought the AmigaOne motherboard. It is the first sample of the 1.0a board. Because the motherboard was different from the one that Eyetech had, it was not possible to use the Linux from the old board. Because there was no more time for a new installation, we had to do only with the openfirmware bios. There are installed a IBM processor (without cooling!), 128MB, Soundblaster soundcard and a ATi Radeon 7500 AGP. It now waits for OS4.
The AmigaOne in Leeuwarden (photos) : Comment 1 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 25-May-2002 15:47 GMT
It looks like SHEEP can't do anything to remove the (s)es from the firmware. ;)
[Behold the power of sleep-dep.]
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Posted by Arno on 25-May-2002 15:51 GMT
Seems like 100mhz were lost while being shipped to Holland :)
So A1 only has 500mhz now?
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Posted by anonymous coder on 25-May-2002 16:01 GMT
But maybe 500Mhz equals to 600MHz ? :-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 25-May-2002 16:19 GMT
"It now waits for OS4." :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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Posted by Amifan on 25-May-2002 16:22 GMT
Yeah right, and maybe the internal cache got lost too right?
And the AGP port? They somehow fit an AGP card in a PCI slot aswell then?
I guess that this 1.01 evaluation version of the Open Firmware needs a little upgrading and not AGP and 750CX aware.....
It's like benchmarking the 68060 with AIBB and end up with a window showing that you have a 80Mhz 040 inside.
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 25-May-2002 17:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Amifan):
Duh, of course it's aware of the AGP. It's friggin _running_ off the AGP.
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 25-May-2002 18:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Arno):
Arno said,
> Seems like 100mhz were lost while being shipped to Holland :)
> So A1 only has 500mhz now?
It was announced a while back that the developers' boards would ship with the 500MHz chip, with something higher on the 'real' release.
(I'm still not sure I get the plan with the dongle ROMs; is Eyetech planning to trade back the dev boards, as they seem to lack the socket, and resell them as Linux/BSD versions? Or is someone going to sit there and solder on PLCC sockets in true Commodore style?)
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Posted by Kronos on 25-May-2002 18:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
This (type of)board will only go to Hyperion and a few others.
Everybody else who ordered a dev-board will have to wait for
the next revision, and AFAIR 600mhz was announced for the
dev-board.
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 25-May-2002 18:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
Hmm, odd that I can't seem to remember any announcement about 500MHz CPU. Maybe it slipped by me in all that excitement (I know what you're thinking. Did he fire 600MHz, or only 5? Well, to tell you the truth, I kinda lost track of it myself in all this excitement etc. etc.).
AFAIK the ROM is the right one, though. But since noone ever tell me anything... :)
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Posted by Roald Oosterhoff on 25-May-2002 20:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
Same wrong conclusions as on amiga.org so here's a paste of my message on amiga.org:
"Right, I just got home after being in Leeuwarden. Some ppl seem to think that it is a 500MHz G3. Thats total bollox. Ron van Herk of Computer City received the board at noon today and at ~1500 hrs he was in Leeuwarden. So he didn't have _any_ time at all to mess around with the bios settings let alone install Linux. So I guess the number of PCI slots/CPU speed/whatever needs to be set correctly by hand or something (it IS STILL a dev board remember).
The CPU really is 600MHz, it really has 4 PCI slots, it really has onboard sound/ethernet."
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Posted by cOrpse on 25-May-2002 20:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Roald Oosterhoff):
I myself couldn't see the on board sound .. maybe its not on the ports section but on a header which is a better idea neways.
Seems to be a different board to eyetechs neways , and the bios showing the wrong cpu and cache is maybe becuase the firmware is a demo one and the board didn't get set-up because of lack of time.
Nothing bitchy .. i just hope the dev boards people have ordered won't have an eval bios , but maybe this is being finished/ is finished ?.
/goes back to gta3
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 25-May-2002 21:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
I remember the 500MHz-for-dev-board number pretty distinctly, but lost the 'regular' number in the haze of newsposters mistaking 750CXe for 750MHz. :)
Kronos: Interesting if that's true... and if it is, can you point to the mailing list posts/news articles/press-releases that would presumably explain the whole process again?
Ole: As far as I could tell from the last 'official clarification' news here (I can't remember if it was still through Ben Hermans, or if it was Alan Redhouse's words directly?), there's supposed to be a good ol' BIOS ROM, probably an OpenFirmware with a nicely Kickstart-like UI added on, plus a physically seperate 'dongle'/license-management ROM. (The BIOS/OF is flashable for maintenance purposes; the dongle ROM isn't for obvious reasons.)
Rumor and something that could be mistaken for common sense would suggest that the 'mystery socket' (on this particular revision, mystery solder-pads for a socket) near the CPU is for the dongle ROM, which would probably have to be a fairly speedy/speedily-attached device to avoid hampering the system... or which might just be positioned there for the sake of reducing attacks. (There's probably something to be said about L1/L2 caches here, but I'm too lazy to figure out what.)
Of course, I could have it all wrong.
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 25-May-2002 21:35 GMT
I hate it when I don't refresh the comments before hitting submit. Okay, I guess that 500MHz in my brain was spurious. I'm going to get some sleep and hope everything's sorted out in the morning. :)
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Posted by Simon on 26-May-2002 00:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Amifan):
> Yeah right, and maybe the internal cache got lost too right?
If you look real close it actually says 'External cache'. Which would be L3 chache (L2 on the chip I think), which I dont think it has any of. The rest of the stuff is a bit strange, guess we'll have to wait for Eyetech to explain.
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Posted by Anonymous on 26-May-2002 00:48 GMT
I dont like that BIOS screenshot. It looks like a PC BIOS. Why do we need a BIOS at all ? And if there has to be one, it should be a specific *Amiga* BIOS (like early startup screen on kickstart 3) instead of that sodding PC Award wannabe BIOS and PC font. Macs dont have a BIOS. Amigas dont have a BIOS.
I want my Amiga to be an Amiga.
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Posted by Simon on 26-May-2002 00:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
>It looks like a PC BIOS. Why do we need a BIOS at all ?
Who cares what it looks like? You don't spend much time in the BIOS screen.
>Macs dont have a BIOS. Amigas dont have a BIOS.
C'mon, every personal computer has a BIOS, even Macs and Amigas. Havent you ever held down both mouse buttons when you turned on your Amiga?
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Posted by Anonymous on 26-May-2002 01:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Simon):
>>It looks like a PC BIOS. Why do we need a BIOS at all ?
>
>Who cares what it looks like? You don't spend much time in the BIOS screen.
I do. It may be only a small thing but its all these small things that when added together are taking the "Amiga" away from being a Amiga, I dont want to see that goddamn PeeCee MDA font dating back to the IBM XT on my Amiga when I turn it on.
>>Macs dont have a BIOS. Amigas dont have a BIOS.
>
>C'mon, every personal computer has a BIOS, even Macs and Amigas. Havent you >ever held down both mouse buttons when you turned on your Amiga?
Well, I just checked my Mac, and nope, definitely no BIOS there. How do I access it ?
And the early startup screen in kickstart 3 (it wasnt in earlier versions) isnt a BIOS.
Why do I need to know how many EISA, ISA and MCA slots my computer has ? Why should I be bothered with what memory address my Parallel port or serial port uses for DMA ? These are all PeeCee issues!
If they absolutely MUST put some sort of BIOS (why???)in the A1 then it should look like the OS and have the same windows, glyphs, gadgets, buttons like the OS.
I dont want another PC or another Mac, I already have one. I want a new AMIGA. Anyway, I decided I wont buy this A1G3-SE, I'll just upgrade my A4000+mediator with a SharkPPC. At least then its a REAL Amiga.
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Posted by Simon on 26-May-2002 02:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Well, my understanding is that all PC's have a Basic I/O System to init hardware and boot the OS. The interface (if a computer has one) is a different thing in my mind. But, ok, I can see where you are coming from now.
>it should look like the OS and have the same windows, glyphs, gadgets, buttons >like the OS.
Look, operating systems aren't in ROM anymore. You won't ever see a start up screen using the OS's GUI again, unless it's just a hack to mimic the the OS's look (which might not be a bad idea).
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 26-May-2002 04:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Uhm, since when does this VGA (640x480x16 or 256 colours) OF screen and an MDA (textmode) PC bios screens look anything alike? Time to check your eyes, dude? :)
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Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund on 26-May-2002 08:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (cOrpse):
>I myself couldn't see the on board sound ..
Is't the PCI card the Soundcard?
I think it looks like a soundcard!
There is no onbord soundcard!!! Not from my point of view!!!
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Posted by Simon on 26-May-2002 08:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (cOrpse):
> I myself couldn't see the on board sound .. maybe its not on the ports section >but on a header which is a better idea neways.
Sound ports are throught the AMR card I think. Which is supposed to come with the A1. I didn't see an AMR card in that board.
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Posted by Alcom on 26-May-2002 08:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Henning Nielsen Lund):
yes! that look like a soundblaster pci 128 soundcard on the pictures, and there is also NO built-in soundcard, only usb and network. (looking at http://home-3.tiscali.nl/%7Eamiga/AmigaONE250402/DSC00018.JPG for this info. )
and it is also quite funny to see the bios telling us there is 3 PCI slots when you can actually see 4 PCI slots in this picture: http://home-3.tiscali.nl/%7Eamiga/AmigaONE250402/DSC00020.JPG
:)
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Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund on 26-May-2002 09:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
The new picture shows us it's a 600MHz IBM 750CXe Design Revision DD2.4 :o) So it is the real processor :o)
http://home-3.tiscali.nl/%7Eamiga/AmigaONE250402/A1-1.0a-PPC-MaiArticia.jpg
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Posted by Tron on 26-May-2002 09:07 GMT
Why thy have use 500 MHZ PPC from IBM it is still to slow, and there is no software for it ? Only from Hyperion ? why did thy not use 1800 MHZ
or 2000 MHZ PPC. Intel Pentium processors have 1,8 Gigahertz PC. How many Peapole should buy this product ? I am laughing about it thy think that it will be a succes I think not ?
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Posted by Tron on 26-May-2002 09:15 GMT
So thy got the 500 MHZ Power PC Processor from IBM, why did thy use not 1800 MHZ, PPC Acceleration card ? or 2000 MHZ, it looks fine to me special bios more possebitlity's. But where is the software OS 4.0 would run on this product ? Hyperion should realese a software package for this Hardware, how want's to buy it it will be to expensive to me I think, make it cheaper more peaplo are going to buy it ? X-box, Gamecube sucks thy asking 62 euro for a game to mutch for me.
The AmigaOne in Leeuwarden (photos) : Comment 26 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Turrican on 26-May-2002 09:16 GMT
Here we are...
We're end of may, no OS 4, and an AmigaOne with only Linux PPC and an openfirmware with no AGP, only one memory slot (you'll see), no internal cache support etc...
See it my friends, no AOne this year with OS 4. Don't hold your breath.
By the way, where is the Pegasos and Morphos ? June the 1st is getting closer...
Don't hold your breath Amigans, liars are still in the neighborhood.
Your avenger,
Turrican
The AmigaOne in Leeuwarden (photos) : Comment 27 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 26-May-2002 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Turrican):
Okay, again, if you are willing to divulge your identity, I'm willing to make a bet with you that you are wrong.
The AmigaOne in Leeuwarden (photos) : Comment 28 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 09:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Tron):
If you werent such a f?cking lamer you would have gone here and actually looked to see that the chip on the board is a 600Mhz ( go look it up on IBMs site from the id stamps ) and that the open firmware bios was incorrectly configured because the board arrived waaaay late.
http://home-3.tiscali.nl/%7Eamiga/AmigaONE250402/A1-1.0a-PPC-MaiArticia.jpg
But dont let that stand in the way of yours and others rumour mongering.
The AmigaOne in Leeuwarden (photos) : Comment 29 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 26-May-2002 10:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
I wanted to evitate any skirmish on this thread, but Hermans speach open ways to a new discussion.
At the end of May AmigaInc, Eyetech and Hyperion are not capable to show a mere alfa stage of the OS4 nor a decent AmigaOne prototype.
In October 2001 we at the AmigaPlanet in Italy saw an alpha version of MorphoOS runs on a alpha version of Pegasos, smooth and with a serious software like CandyFactory on an AGP FireGL videoBoard.
This is surely caused by the time that a developening require.
But It's not falsehood to say that the MorphOS-Pegasos combo will be released at least 6 months before any AmigaONe/Os4 combo.
It would be really a shame see a legal action that stops a step foward for the Amiga like world only to kill a competitor that in the last three years doesn't loose its time in futile debacle (like Elate, AmigaDE, emulators ...).
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Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 10:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Eva):
We are not at the end of May.
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Posted by Alkemyst on 26-May-2002 10:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Eva):
what has the bplan mobo got to do with this topic.
the Aone time line & AmigaOs4 have got nothing to go with bplan or Mos,
just like Apple's & windows pc time line as got nothing to do with Aone or Aos4
ATM.
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 26-May-2002 10:38 GMT
Henning: Yep, the CPU on Eyetech's demo to the French folk is 600MHz, but I'm not sure if that directly correlates to this run of actually-sold boards. (Then again, I also keep forgetting that Ole's "in the loop!") It would've been nice to get a CPU pic out of this demo, but whoever took the pictures didn't have a macro mode/lens or didn't know to switch to using it...
Since this is going to become a common question, I may as well paste from one of the 50CXe product sheets; in the case of a CPU with a marking like IBM25PPC750CXEJP2012T, the "20" buried in the last bit is the performance sort code, and the table IBM gives is:
20400Mhz, 40 = 466Mhz, 50 = 500Mhz, 55 = 533Mhz, 70 = 600Mhz
Also of interest is the last number before the T; that's the reliability grade. 3 seems to be standard (0C - 105C, <100 FIT), while 2 sounds a bit MIL-SPEC (-40 - 105C, <25 FIT) ... When we get to the point of CPU cards (Pegasos) or socketed/MegArray cards, looks like the 2 versions might make good overclockers. :)
Given Ole's comments elsewhere, sounds like everything does have a 600MHz chip, but a firmware or early-revision bug is keeping things down on this one small (5 board?) run.
Most AMR-using boards in PC land tie one set of codec lines to a regular set of Speaker/Mic ins and use the second set for the AMR. Eyetech probably plans the same, if these are all prototypes. (The Via southbridges have at least two sets, I think.)
For the trolls/confused, Macs have BIOSen just like everything else; you just need to know the Secret Keypresses to get there, and they don't provide a power-on test display like x86 does. (The Beige G3 here seems to take about 60 seconds to pass its hidden POST... unless it's doing something else with that time. Maybe the 2940UW's BIOS loads and is hidden during that black-screen pause; the one in my Athlon adds a good 20 seconds to my boot time, but at least provides visual feedback.)
Plenty of x86 BIOSes have booted into graphical mode- look at any AMI BIOS from the Pentium era- but regular users never had to care, and advanced users weren't big fans. (It didn't help that AMI implementations often hid a number of tweaks when going with the 'easier' arrangement.) With 100+ settings available on today's average overclocker's board, Award's textmode menu hierarchy keeps things organized a little better.
MDA is monochrome; I think you're thinking of 80x25x16 colors (PCjr/EGA graphics. :))
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 26-May-2002 10:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (DaveW):
I've got a deadline on June the third, so I would just like to state this ONCE AND FOR ALL ( nice using the shift there, olegil :) ): WE ARE NOT AT THE END OF MAY! (I wonder if caps lock is easier then shift when typing whole sentences? ;) ). IF WE WERE, I WOULD BE A LOT MORE NERVOUS RIGHT NOW (hmm, it seems caps lock IS easier then shift for long sentences... whaddya know :) )
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Posted by MIB on 26-May-2002 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
>Henning: Yep, the CPU on Eyetech's demo to the French folk is 600MHz, but I'm >not sure if that directly correlates to this run of actually-sold boards. (Then again, I also keep forgetting that Ole's "in the loop!") It would've been nice to get a CPU pic out of this demo, but whoever took the pictures didn't have a macro mode/lens or didn't know to switch to using it...
Check the last photo on http://www.amigascene.nl/nieuws/nieuws.htm
The AmigaOne in Leeuwarden (photos) : Comment 35 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-May-2002 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Simon):
"Operating Systems aren't in ROM anymore"
Really, what's the Hyperion Dongle all about then?
I was under the impression that it was a KS chip similar
to what exists now. Or is it a dongle in the true sense
of the word?
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Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 11:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
Its a dongle in the true sense of the word.
Some dongles are just decrypt keys ( like the one shipped with Robocop3 from Ocean ).
Some dongles contain a limited set of function calls without which a particular shipped version of a product would not work.
I dont know which it is but its far from the kickstart ROM which contained at the last count nearly a meg of OS calls.
Dave.
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 26-May-2002 12:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (DaveW):
Uhm, the kickstart (with new os3.9 bb2 patches) still fits in a 512k ROM...
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Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
Wow!
Where did I get 1024 from?
?!?!?
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 26-May-2002 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (DaveW):
Hmm, been playing with your calculator again?
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Posted by a on 26-May-2002 13:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Please take in mind, that making bets in some countries is illegal. You, as a lawyer, should have known this of course.
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Posted by KenH on 26-May-2002 13:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Turrican):
Yes here we are again....
Yet another "I told you so" message (ITYSM). Aren't you great!
What may I ask are you DOING to create an Operating System. If the answer is something, I'd fire your marketing manager if I was you.
I don't care how many ITYSMs I see on any board, I'm not going to judge until I use. So, all your efforts, in my eyes at any rate, are utterly futile. I'm going to stand by the people who exercise CONSTRUCTIVE effort.....no matter how long it takes (within a lifetime ;)
>Here we are...
>We're end of may, no OS 4, and an AmigaOne with only Linux PPC and an openfirmware with no AGP, only one memory slot (you'll see), no internal cache support etc...
The AmigaOne in Leeuwarden (photos) : Comment 42 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 26-May-2002 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (a):
>Please take in mind, that making bets in some countries is illegal. You, as a lawyer, should have known this of course.
Wha? Are there such backward countries? Surely a mans opinion/ spitting on your hand and shaking/ putting some of your own money on the line is of no business to the law?
Where do you live?
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Posted by anonymous coder on 26-May-2002 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
> Uhm, the kickstart (with new os3.9 bb2 patches) still fits in a 512k ROM...
Wrong. It does not fit.
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Posted by Anonymous on 26-May-2002 13:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (a):
In most countries bets are not illegal but they may be unenforceable legally.
The AmigaOne in Leeuwarden (photos) : Comment 45 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Matthew Garrett on 26-May-2002 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
To get at the Mac firmware, reboot and hold down command+option+o+f. Some PowerMacs have no video drivers in firmware, so you'll just get a black screen, but most modern ones are happy. Every computer has to have some sort of ROM-based code, since the CPU doesn't know how to do stuff like booting off the hard drive. The ROM code (BIOS on PCs, Kickstart on Amigas, OF on Macs) is executed when power is applied to the system and then takes care of checking the hardware and booting the OS. CPUs on their own aren't a great deal of use.
The AmigaOne in Leeuwarden (photos) : Comment 46 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by a on 26-May-2002 14:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Anonymous):
your point is?
The AmigaOne in Leeuwarden (photos) : Comment 47 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by a on 26-May-2002 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (KenH):
sorry, not everyone can come from such superior countries like you. Is believing in god backwards too for you?
The AmigaOne in Leeuwarden (photos) : Comment 48 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Atheisht Schmatheisht on 26-May-2002 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (a):
Yes, it is.
The AmigaOne in Leeuwarden (photos) : Comment 49 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Atheisht Schmatheisht on 26-May-2002 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (a):
Yes, it is.
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Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (a):
Its not backwards to believe in god but it is backwards to believe that EVERYONE should believe in a/any/a particular god.
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