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[News] Nokia discontinues Media TerminalANN.lu
Posted on 28-May-2002 21:14 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä50 comments
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According to a Norwegian website, Nokia have discontinued the Media Terminal set-top-box that was to feature a pre-installed Amiga DE.
Nokia discontinues Media Terminal : Comment 1 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 28-May-2002 19:16 GMT
Thanks to Tomas at the amiga.org forums for pointing this out.
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Posted by Bernd Meyer on 28-May-2002 19:22 GMT
Bummer! That one was rumoured to be on its way to a release down under, as a set-top-box for Australia's free-to-air terrestrial digital TV. And it sure sounded like the most hackable of all existing or upcoming solutions.....
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Posted by Troels E on 28-May-2002 19:23 GMT
Really bad news for Amiga-Anywhere developers:-(
Lets hope games will sell well on the PDA market, as that seems to be the only market for A-A right now.
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Posted by redrumloa on 28-May-2002 19:26 GMT
Poor Amiga Inc, it looks like 'Amiga Anywhere' is becoming 'Amiga Nowhere' :-( I just hope they will start taking the classic line a little more serious.
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Posted by Troels E on 28-May-2002 19:32 GMT
The Mediaterminal webpages no-longer exist on Nokias website, so the Norwegian site seems to have it right.
I wonder why Nokia discountinued the Terminal? Afraid of the competition with xbox2, psx3?
Guess they couldn't keep the price low enough to get high enough sales?
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Posted by Anonymous on 28-May-2002 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Troels E):
Note that only a week ago Nokia Sweden put out a press release announcing
a model in the Mediamaster range. It looks like the Mediaterminals are being
replaced by the Mediamasters. Maybe that's what confused the writer of the
article.
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Posted by Anonymous on 28-May-2002 20:27 GMT
It's the Amiga curse striking once again...
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Posted by Anonymous on 28-May-2002 20:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
I wouldn't say it's the Amiga curse, because this AminoDE/Anywhere crap has NOTHING to do with the Amiga as we know it. The sooner the Amiga community realize this the better.
Amino have treated us all like fools, expecting us to support AminoDE simply because it has the word "Amiga". Next month maybe they will bring out their own "Amiga-branded" IBM-PC clones. Commodore also made IBM-PC clones but they never tried to convince anyone that was an Amiga of any kind.
Eg. at os.amiga.com there is an announcement "Inga to be ported to all Amiga platforms" or words to that effect. This is crap. Inga is not coming to Amiga. Not to 3.x, not to 4.0. They are talking about bloody AminoDE here again. But they don't bother to clarify this, instead they say "ported to ALL Amiga platforms". Which is, quite frankly, a blatant lie. And they have the nerve to crosspost it to the os.amiga.com site, which is dedicated to AmigaOS NOT AminoDE.
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Posted by KenH on 28-May-2002 20:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
>I wouldn't say it's the Amiga curse, because this AminoDE/Anywhere crap has NOTHING to do with the Amiga as we know it. The sooner the Amiga community realize this the better.
So why don't you tell us what an Amiga is. Maybe you have your own alternative? Hmm?
>Amino have treated us all like fools, expecting us to support AminoDE simply because it has the word "Amiga". Next month maybe they will bring out their own "Amiga-branded" IBM-PC clones. Commodore also made IBM-PC clones but they never tried to convince anyone that was an Amiga of any kind.
I kinda like the technology underlying of AmigaDE and some of the Amiga specific features filtering through look quite promising. So, speak for yourself.
>Eg. at os.amiga.com there is an announcement "Inga to be ported to all Amiga platforms" or words to that effect. This is crap. Inga is not coming to Amiga. Not to 3.x, not to 4.0. They are talking about bloody AminoDE here again. But they don't bother to clarify this, instead they say "ported to ALL Amiga platforms". Which is, quite frankly, a blatant lie. And they have the nerve to crosspost it to the os.amiga.com site, which is dedicated to AmigaOS NOT AminoDE.
Isn't the AminoDE to be integrated into AmigaOS? So, that being the case, I'd say Inga *will* work on all future Amigas. But I guess you have to be someone who can think beyond "How much will I sh*te at this sitting?" to see this.
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Posted by .john on 29-May-2002 00:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Bernd Meyer):
Not as beautiful (and VIA x86 clone CPU instead of original Intel Celeron CPU and
as it seems without DVB-s) as the NOKIA, but still very capable STBs,
running Linux (or QNX or Windows) are to be found at http://www.allwell.tv
And they are much cheaper than the NOKIA ! More than half the price !
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Posted by .john on 29-May-2002 01:07 GMT
This is very bad news !
AmigaDE got some free advertisement (well, sort of) due to this partnership.
It was announced on the frontpage at http://www.ostdev.net a NOKIA sponsored
Opensource API and application framework to bring Linux to the STB market.
Also, this was the best (and only really interesting) STB on the market. Although
too expensive, if you ask me.
And for the comment I added before, I forgot the price of the MediaTerminal.
So, the Allwell STB are all between USD 300 and 460 !
But, as it currently seems, they do not have DVB, which makes them relativly worthless,
unless you have a special purpose for them (I certainly have ;-))
.john
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Posted by Anonymous on 29-May-2002 01:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (KenH):
>So why don't you tell us what an Amiga is. Maybe you have your own alternative? Hmm?
Well for starters an Amiga would have to run the Amiga operating system and be compatible with Amiga software.
>I kinda like the technology underlying of AmigaDE and some of the Amiga specific features filtering through look quite promising. So, speak for yourself.
Whatever. That doesn't make it an Amiga though. It's like saying "Oh, that MacOS looks quite promising, so it is an Amiga."
>Isn't the AminoDE to be integrated into AmigaOS? So, that being the case, I'd say Inga *will* work on all future Amigas.
Supposedly. Amino did not say "all future Amigas", they said "all Amiga platforms". Even AmigaOS software from Aminet doesn't claim to work on "all Amiga platforms" if it requires eg. OS3.0 or better. This "Inga" will require AmigaOS 4.5 or better, or whatever version they finally put AminoDE into. If they ever do, which I doubt. It's a waste of time, AminoDE will sink like a stone.
Maybe if they do put the AminoDE into AmigaOS, THEN they can make an announcement along those lines. Not before. Especially knowing Amino's abysmal track record, I don't believe a word they say about what might or might not happen in the future. Eg. "buy a Party Pack and get $100 off OS4", what kind of a lie was that one!!
>But I guess you have to be someone who can think beyond "How much will I sh*te at this sitting?" to see this.
But I guess you would have to be a lamer faggot to arse kiss Amino who are milking dickheads like you for all you are worth.
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Posted by acg on 29-May-2002 02:16 GMT
This really doesn't sound good at all....
Toooo many announcements...not enough real product...
I can think of lots of announcements...
Sharp, espial, Corel, Nokia, thousands of programmers,
The only real useful product for "users" is the GamePacks
which are only announced for Windows, though supposedly it
runs on anything which runs AmigaDE...does anyone know if
AmigaDE runs on the Sharp Zaurus? Why isn't amiga advertising
or releasing info as to how the Game Pack runs on Linux to the
Linux crowd...Why don't they get AmigaDE to run on AmigaOS, that
would "believe it or not" help them.
Where are all the programs "promised" by Amiga...I know they are
a start-up but this constant of tieing AmigaDE to products which
disappear is NOT good.
One or two missed deadlines or products...and this ship could
finally capsize......who is going to want to invest in a company
that cannot meet production goals and products?
I hope my being pessimistic is an overreaction to another disappointment.
As far as I can see, even if AmigaOS 4.0 comes out...if there
is no progression to a system which is super advanced, we will
be reduced to a "cool, low overhead OS" running the same sound,
graphic, and CPU chips that everyone else is running....That is
not going to crack the monopoly...now if AmigaDE really does what
it is supposed to do, that could help...But we also need a
a super computer to get people to think about it....
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Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 29-May-2002 02:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
You want just new A500 right ? You don't want to ee anything new right ?
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 29-May-2002 02:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
This news was definitely ouchworthy, though as these things were supposed to retail around 800 Euro(? I'm now finding references that say $350?), it may not be a horrible loss, and seems entirely based on Nokia's economics.
The Linux basis for the Mediaterminal still exists (see http://www.ostdev.net), so it looks like others can have a whack at realizing the product- perhaps with more cut-rate hardware. As you can see there, Nokia was demoing it 3 months ago, so the code should be in running shape...
Please don't troll about the PartyPack offer. When OS4 or the AmigaOne is available (did anyone try to cash in for a dev board?), *then* we'll see how the discount/rebate is honored.
BTW, has anyone fired up Babelfish and determined for certain whether there is/isn't anything Amiga-branded on 'Sharp Space Town' http://www.zaurusworld.ne.jp/ ?
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Posted by DruggedBunny on 29-May-2002 04:02 GMT
> Well for starters an Amiga would have to
> run the Amiga operating system and be compatible
> with Amiga software.
Ah, like WinUAE?
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Posted by m0ns00n on 29-May-2002 04:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
No it's not the curse "again". It is just YET another example of how stupid some people can be, and that some people like that actually happens to run Amiga Inc.
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Posted by priest on 29-May-2002 04:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Troels E):
It seems the device has been removed from Nokia home products main pages.
http://www.nokia.com/multimedia/index.html
The developer site is still intact, but the promised SW update might not appear.
Nokia has been doing some serious cost-cutting during the past year or so.
Recently the main division behind Mediaterminal went via the cutter:
http://press.nokia.com/PR/200204/857425_5.html
It was expected that the real income from that kind of device would have started to come in at around y2006. I guess it was decided that there's no sense to keep those people on working with the product that gives no income during the coming years.
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Posted by Samface on 29-May-2002 05:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (m0ns00n):
Making business with companies like Nokia, Sharp and Microsoft must be really stupid, eh? Sure, business deals can be broken and the efforts end up in vain but I don't see why that would make Amiga Inc.'s efforts in trying to get these kind of business deals to work look stupid. I still applause Amiga Inc. for pulling these kind of deals off, regardless if anything comes out of it or not. You see, they've put the name Amiga on the business map of the world which is nothing to sniff at. Also, please note that it's not Amiga Inc. that is braking the deals which makes an important difference to future relations with these and other companies of the IT world.
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Posted by m0ns00n on 29-May-2002 05:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Samface):
Having business etiquette and some knowledge of acting is not the same as not being stupid. Hitler was stupid, but he sure as hell put Germany on the map! Even though he had little consideration for the fact that he was digging his grave ever since he invaded Poland in 39, he still managed to do quite alot, alot of shit.
Obviously not putting A Inc in the same category as Hitler, you should take the point.
All the business agreements they have made is partially due to luck, a network, and the NAME. Now still, I do question if they actually HAVE put Amiga back on the map. I sure as hell haven't seen more of the name Amiga than I did in 1998.
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Posted by Noname on 29-May-2002 05:35 GMT
It's true allright, I read it in a swedish magazine ("Ny Teknik") a couple of days ago.
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Posted by smithy on 29-May-2002 05:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (KenH):
>Isn't the AminoDE to be integrated into AmigaOS?
If it's going to be "integrated" into AmigaOS, that means AminoDE cannot be run on other platforms without AmigaOS - which definately cannot because it runs on Amiga 68k hardware. Integrated implies to join 2 into 1, lots of bindings, not easily seperable, etc, etc.. If AminoDE could be run elsewhere, then it wouldn't be integrated at all on AmigaOS. In which case, why would AminoDE be integrated with AmigaOS and not Windows or Linux?
But I think in this case that "integrated" simply means "runs on". Just like Sun's JVM runs on Windows NT (nobody claims that's integrated). Or that Deluxe Paint runs on AmigaOS (that's hardly integrated either).
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Posted by Elwood on 29-May-2002 06:03 GMT
It reminds me when 2 years ago I was trying to convince Bill that AmigaOS was an
option at least as good as DE...
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 29-May-2002 06:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
Inga isn't coming to AOS classic because Inga EXIST on AOS classic, right?
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Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 29-May-2002 06:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Samface):
>You see, they've put the name Amiga on the business map of the world which is
>nothing to sniff at.
Being on the "business map" doesn't really help if one can't make a profit. But I don't think they're of any importance to the market. As far as I know, neither of their partners mentioned AMIGA on their pages. Some deals, huh? I hope for their best, but let's face it.
>Also, please note that it's not Amiga Inc. that is braking the deals which
>makes an important difference to future relations with these and other
>companies of the IT world.
Exactly. Is that good ? Being screwed over and over.. I don't think so. (Ok, so maybe they weren't exactly screwed)
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Posted by koehler on 29-May-2002 07:01 GMT
ROTFLMAO!!!
First Sharp, now Nokia..... When will you people learn ?
Now all thats left is Microsoft. Anyone care to take bets on how many months until Pocket PC 2 is up and running until MS blows of the clueless at Amiga?
No, this isn't a troll, its a reality check. Get a Via Mini-ITX at ww.idot.com and run UAE or Amithlon.
Unless you're all gluttons for punishment.
Will bet my next paycheck that Amiga all of a sudden starts a flurry of Exec Updates and emails on how great OS4 is going to be now. Gee, coincidence?
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Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 29-May-2002 07:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (smithy):
Ever tried AmigaAnywhere on PocketPC. Afaik it's pretty well integrated since you can run AmigaAnywhere apps transparently from Windows. Sure they might need to use a VM like Java does, but it's just the matter of clicking on an icon and it runs seamingless (sp?). AmigaAnywhere can also use whatever resources normal Windows apps can too. Not that one should do that as the portable prespective would fade if you're dependent on Windows-only devices/resources/APIs.
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 29-May-2002 07:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (koehler):
>Will bet my next paycheck that Amiga all of a sudden starts a flurry of Exec
>Updates and emails on how great OS4 is going to be now. Gee, coincidence?
Uhm, they've been doing that since mid last year, actually. I fail to see how them wanting to do PR on AOS4 supports your conspiracy theory. OS4 _is_ going to be great, so there!
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Posted by José on 29-May-2002 10:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (koehler):
Well, Bill even talked about OS4 on that TV show sometime ago, so it wouldn't be something new if they started talking about how good OS4 will be. I think they listened to the users when there were complains about AmigaOS being discontinued. They initial AmigaDE's name was going to be AmigaOS(!!!), remember? That would be killing the community. But that belongs to the past. The actual reasons they have done so we don't know of course (maybe they just need us?). To me moral was one(boy I'm gonna get flammed for this:)).
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Posted by badl on 29-May-2002 10:16 GMT
Yet another case to prove what a joke Amiga Inc is!
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Posted by gz on 29-May-2002 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (badl):
>Yet another case to prove what a joke Amiga Inc is!
Well Amiga Inc can't certainly be blamed if Nokia decides to discontinue it's own products.
However I don't think the so called "deals" hyped in every executive update, are nothing more than preliminary agreements made over a phoneline and via emails.
A REAL deal is something which you make a legal document of, signed by both parties involved.
However as I have no information of how AInc have acquired these partnerships, I can't say forsure.
Just a thought based on the fact that their "deals" have a tendency to appear once in an executive update, only to be watered afterwards.
If this is the case, then I think Bill should be more patient before announcing partnerships in public.
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Posted by Samface on 29-May-2002 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (gz):
Nokia announced their partnership with Amiga on their software developers site as well so, I guess that would make Nokia impatient as well then, right?
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Posted by gz on 29-May-2002 11:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (José):
>I think they listened to the users when there were complains about AmigaOS being discontinued. >They initial AmigaDE's name was going to be AmigaOS(!!!), remember? That would be killing the community.
I think they thought they could kill 2 birds with the same stone when it became clear to them that the intent technology wasn't actually suitable for making a fullsize desktop os that could be scalable enough from a cellphone to a server.
They realized that by combining AmigaOs with intent they could get a working compromise and at the same time keep their current AmigaAnywhere developer base (the community) happy. So they kinda had to rethink their original plan.
>The actual reasons they have done so we don't know of course
True, none of us know and that's why there are a million different opinions battling eachother everytime you visit ann. Mine above just represents one of them.
>(boy I'm gonna get flammed for this:)).
Why on earth? I hope not. Everybody has a birthright for their opinions and I didn't even see you say anything provocative. :)
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Posted by MIKE on 29-May-2002 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (gz):
Sure they can, supposedly they were "Partners", although Amiga Inc.'s definition of partner seems to be if they answer the phone and don't hang up.
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Posted by dammy on 29-May-2002 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (koehler):
Shhhh! If you keep pointing out that Amithlon is a true competitor to HYPEOS4, Amino is never going to settle the license issue with Bernie.
Dammy
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Posted by gz on 29-May-2002 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Samface):
I'm sorry, but the announcement on the Nokia dev site was very short and wasn't exactly clear in explaining the "deal"
Something that to me suggests more like a phone or email agreement preliminary made for AmigaAnywhere to appear on the new Nokia product. NOT something which would have been set in stone and all legal proceedings finalised.
When you compare the difference in the style of announcing the AmigaAnywhere in executive update and in Nokia dev site you should see why it was possible for me to jump to my conclusion personally.
Anyway it's just my opinion and a fabrication of my twisted imagination so you shouldn't worry about it.
>Nokia announced their partnership with Amiga on their software developers site as well so, I guess that would make Nokia impatient as well then, right?
If you read what I said above you should see the huge difference in posting information on a dev site rather than announcing "exciting new partnerships" on Nokia's corporate site.
I could be working for something for the AmigaOne but unless I hadn't made a legal binding document with eyetech of it's usage and wasn't 100% sure that it would be used in A1, I wouldn't post announcements about it on a corporate site. I would post it to the dev site, so that developers could know that there would possibly be new alternatives coming along in the future.
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Posted by SlimJim on 29-May-2002 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (gz):
Do you seriously think that AInc having or not having an "agreement set in stone"
with Nokia would influence wether or not the MediaTerminal got scrapped? AInc could
have had an all exclusive content distributor deal written on a marble plate as far as we're
concerned - the hardware to run it is still not going to show. And there is nothing AInc
could have done to prevent that. Nokia is cutting back all over the place these days...:-(
.
SlimJim
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Posted by .john on 29-May-2002 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
[...] This news was definitely ouchworthy, though as these things were supposed
to retail around 800 Euro(? I'm now finding references that say $350?) [...]
$350 ??? Please, tellme WHERE ! ASAP ! :-)
.john
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Posted by gz on 29-May-2002 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (SlimJim):
>Do you seriously think that AInc having or not having an "agreement set in stone" with Nokia would influence wether or not the MediaTerminal got scrapped?
Nonoonono... Where on earth have I said something like that? Of course they don't have control over nokia (and shouldn't). There must be a HUGE misunderstanding with the meaning of my post here.
I mean't that Bill shouldn't announce partnerships and make it seem as they were "set in stone" before they actually would be set in stone.
Of course I can't know forsure what kind of "deal" it really was as explained in my original post.
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Posted by KenH on 29-May-2002 17:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
I'll address the only valid point you made:
>Well for starters an Amiga would have to run the Amiga operating system and be compatible with Amiga software.
>Whatever. That doesn't make it an Amiga though. It's like saying "Oh, that MacOS looks quite promising, so it is an Amiga."
How about software that runs on DE also runs on Amiga OS. The DE isn't the full OS....it's something extra to OS4 and onwards.
I'll go back to the old alalogy of there being no Windows 95 & 98....that would mean Win3.1 users would jump to Windows 2000....would they be fools to do that? I think not.
An Amiga is exactly what Amiga Inc say it is. It doesn't matter who on what forum doesn't believe it to be one. They'd just be crazy to ignore the existing software base.
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Posted by SlimJim on 29-May-2002 19:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (gz):
Hmm...I may have responded to your post, but the response was meant to be more
general. I guess it was me that was unclear.
I understood that _you_ didn't think that AInc "control" the actions of Nokia.
Sorry about that. Some people seem to be blaiming AInc for this, though. Why?
What did _they_ do wrong?
You'll get a little heat as well, don't you worry ;-):
Your point that AInc somehow should claim a deal with Nokia without proper foudation
seems somewhat moot to me. What are you basing this on? Certainly not on the
scrapping of the Media Terminal, as now clearly stated. On that a huge coorperation
like Nokia don't blow up the deal on their corporate pages, but a small company like
Amiga do? It may not be a big deal for Nokia, but an enormous deal for Amiga. Does
that automatically mean that the deal is less "set in stone"? I wonder.
.
SlimJim
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Posted by Rewenge! on 30-May-2002 01:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
> But I guess you would have to be a lamer faggot ...
Once again, please insult and curse as much as you care, but quit with the homophobia already!
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Posted by Janne Sirén on 30-May-2002 08:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (KenH):
> An Amiga is exactly what Amiga Inc say it is.
I agree. An Amiga(tm) is exactly what Amiga Inc. says it is. That is also why they bought the name. However, that hardly makes AmigaDE any more "Amiga" technically or historically than it is. And technically and historically it really has nothing to do with Amiga as we used to know it.
It is like saying Java is AmigaDE just because AmigaDE can run Java applications. Java is Java, just as much intent is intent even though the latter is being in used something that has the Amiga trademark on it. Amiga Inc. are using the name for marketing purposes and perhaps one day AmigaDE will also have something to do with Amiga as we used to know it. Not yet, though.
ÁmigaDE is "Amiga" by name only. It was originally designed to be something quite else (intent and derivations from it), and the fact that Amiga have now placed their trademark on it and later also decided to incorporate it into the existing OS (remember, this was not the original Amiga Inc. plan) doesn't really make it any more "Amiga" - by technical or historical definition.
I'm sure this was the point people were trying to make, and as far as I see, it is quite a valid point. AmigaDE is Amiga only because Amiga says it is. And they do own the trademark, so they have a right to do so. Doesn't really change any other facts though, nor do I point this out to somehow try to invalidate their efforts - hopefully AmigaDE will mature into something intersting...
But no matter how one tries to twist it, AmigaDE is Amiga by name only. Surely you must recognize this?
>How about software that runs on DE also runs on Amiga OS. The DE isn't the
>full OS....it's something extra to OS4 and onwards.
But it also runs separately and will continue to do so, if Amiga Inc. follows the plan they've laid out publicly so far. It is a completely foreign and new technology that is not compatible with Amiga as we used to know it, nor does it really have anything else to do with it either.
It certainly has a claim to the trademark, but that has everything to do with business and nothing to do with technology. Nothing bad there, really, but lets just be honest and clear about it.
And please, lets keep the "but intent was developed by an Amiga enthusiast" point out of this. So was MorphOS. intent may very well have been inspired by Amiga, but it has even less to do with it than MorphOS. Technology-wise, that is. I do not dispute the trademark issue in any way. It is Amiga, because they say it is. And they have every right to do so.
And we have every right to continue to recognize it as what it is. Interesting technology that is Amiga by name only. Just as much as Java would be Amiga if they bought it from Sun and called it Amiga.
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Posted by Samface on 30-May-2002 09:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (gz):
How do you know that the deal wasn't "set in stone"? You're simply jumping into conclusions and don't really know if you have the right to critizise them for premature announcements or not. I suggest knowing the facts before judging, ok?
Also, even a solid framed contract written in gold between Nokia and Amiga Inc. would've prevented the cancelation of the Mediaterminal. You have absolutely nothing to say about Amiga Inc.'s partnership policies except your own speculations and I suggest you keep those speculations to yourself.
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Posted by Samface on 30-May-2002 09:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
"Eg. "buy a Party Pack and get $100 off OS4", what kind of a lie was that one!!"
You cannot call that a lie until OS4 is released and people's request for $100 off is denied. Until then, what you just said is the real lie.
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Posted by gz on 30-May-2002 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Samface):
Like I have said in every post about the subject: Indeed it's only my speculation. However I am as free to discuss my speculation as you are discussing yours.
Nokia discontinues Media Terminal : Comment 47 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-May-2002 22:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Samface):
"Until OS 4 is released"
The exact same press release from Amiga Inc which announced the Party Pack clearly stated that OS 4 would be available in 4Q01, when in fact Amiga Inc already knew at the time they wrote that press release that they had all but entirely given up on OS 4 and certainly had no intention of shipping it that year.
They lied, and they're still lying. They cheated (free "updates" offered with the pack never materialised) and they're still cheating.
Any self-respecting community would call Bill on this and put Amiga Inc out of business, but Amigans lost their remaining self respect back when they started pretending that being locked in the Intent trunk was their idea of a bright future.
Nokia discontinues Media Terminal : Comment 48 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by SC on 01-Jun-2002 07:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
What's so funny about this (or not) is that you're right, but what's even funnier is that it is often the same people who complained about being taken for granted or ignored in the past are the same people who defend the New AInc time and time again. I can't see any significant difference between what the New AInc are doing and what Tom Schmidt proposed. "Amiga is not about a box, not about an OS, but about a better way." Only where he was flamed, the new AInc are congratulated. Why? What's different in the way the two were going to do business? The New AInc issue more press releases, perhaps?
SC
Nokia discontinues Media Terminal : Comment 49 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Donovan Reeve on 01-Jun-2002 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
Being locked up in the Intent trunk WILL be a bright future if the trunk
eventually winds up being shipped to heaven!
:)
Donovan Reeve (bubby@inebraska.com)
Nokia discontinues Media Terminal : Comment 50 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Harpo on 02-Jul-2002 09:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Donovan Reeve):
But why Nokia stopped Mediaterminal?
Anonymous, there are 50 items in your selection
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