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[News] Eyetech AmigaONE updateANN.lu
Posted on 30-May-2002 11:09 GMT by alan buxey40 comments
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Eyetech have placed their latest AmigaONE update online. All those who subscribe to Total Amiga would have known this news for the past week... for those that dont know the latest AmigaONE news...and the details offering a G4/dual-G4/G5 upgrade for the AmigaONE-XE please visit www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/300502update.php
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 1 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by NoctReX on 30-May-2002 11:09 GMT
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nice annoucement, but a little bit to rush i think...
I haven`t felt AmigaOneG3-SE under my fingertips yet, and (im my opinion) won`t see it till winter, and Eyetech annouces allready the second motherboard?
/me laying back again on a crowdy beach nearby Athens... ahh summertime, i love it :)
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 2 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund on 30-May-2002 11:38 GMT
It realy looks nice with the AmigaOne-XE announcenent :o)
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 3 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-May-2002 11:42 GMT
There's a future for the Amiga after the AmigaOneG3SE... Looks good.
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 4 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by L'attentiste (aka St Thomas) on 30-May-2002 11:50 GMT
What the hell is this news ?
We can't even see a mpg of a A1 running a beta-AOS4 as Thendic showed PegasOS running beta-MorphOS (whatever the quality or infringment this might be). Show us something first before sending waporware news !
And yes, I was disapointed by the presentation in Leeuwarden : nothing exept a buggy (unable to show correct values) OpenPPC "early startup" !
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 5 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Sotiris Papageorgiou on 30-May-2002 12:22 GMT
does anyone noticed that:end users of the A1G3-SE + OS4 bundle to ukp 382.94*. There will be equivalent reductions on the dollar and euro prices of the bundle to usd550* and euro652.50*.
At the moment the target price for the AmigaOne-XE board with the single G4 700MHz cpu module is around UKP200/USD300/Euro350.The xe will be cheaper? or they are telling only the module cost?
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 6 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Frans on 30-May-2002 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Sotiris Papageorgiou):
Read carefully; the prices mentioned on the XE board are ON TOP of the prices for the G3 version.
I'm glad there's an upgrade plan, thanks Eyetech.
Although I probably would've just bought the next board as well as the first and enjoy both...
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 7 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 30-May-2002 12:44 GMT
excellent!...if it comes true we're back in big....need to get the setup hooked up with best displays and some killer apps....
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 8 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 30-May-2002 13:25 GMT
That's a great trade-in deal. If you get 69% after 12 months then it means that your A1-G3SX will have only cost you 47 cents (32 pence) a day. Hell, that's about the cost of a daily newspaper - sounds like a deal to me. G3 now please and put me down for a G4 in a years time :)
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 9 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Conor on 30-May-2002 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Darrin):
It is a great upgrade deal isn't it? Well done Eyetech! :)
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 10 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 30-May-2002 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Darrin):
It seems you will get only 69-75% of the price a new A1-G3
costs at the time of the exchange.
I would think the A1-G3 will get cheaper after the XE is
released, and if it costs (as an example) 400Euro by that
time you would only get 300Euro (max) for your old board.
Add local taxes and a second copy of OS for the XE, and
you should come up with the real price.
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 11 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 30-May-2002 14:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Kronos):
there again nppcornos you could buy a ppc in the first place and get on the bandwagon you're hiding behind ...
Or just stop your bitching until you know some shit.
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 12 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 30-May-2002 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Conor):
It is good to see they have picked up on a Gateway idea. :) Seriously, I think the upgrade idea is a great idea.
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 13 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Marcus Sundman on 30-May-2002 16:30 GMT
> This trade-in will be at 75% of the current retail price of an A1G3-SE 6
> months after its purchase falling by 1% per month (to 69%) at 12 months after
> its purchase.
Umm... There are 5 "price reduction" months between 6 and 12: 7-8 months old, 8-9 months, 9-10 months, 10-11 months and 11-12 months.
If the price drops 1% per month the final price is of course (0.99^5)*75%, i.e. 71.3%.
Or did he possible mean that they also will accept boards that are more than 12 months old? Then if 12-13 months old boards would still follow the same scheme then the price would be 70.6%.
Of course this hardly matters in practice since the figures are so small, but I'm stunned by the carelessness (read: stupidity) of whoever wrote that article.
(Also "1% per month at 12 months" means something completely different than what I think the author was trying to say.)
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 14 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by José on 30-May-2002 17:37 GMT
Great news. I bet they're just waiting for AmigaOS4 to be finished. I only hope Hyperion doesn't rush things and put quality in first place.
Cheers
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 15 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 30-May-2002 17:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (José):
Unlike Windows ;)
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 16 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 30-May-2002 17:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Marcus Sundman):
The way I read it was that the trade in price of a board up to 6 months old would be 75% of it's original cost and that the price would reduce by a further 1% (of the original cost) for each additional month... so the value of a board that was 12 months old would be .... 69%. Or to put it VERY simply 75-669.
It's pretty clear, without any additional explainations, that the price does not decrease as follows:
6 months - 75% of original value.
7 months - 6 month value minus 1% of the 6 month value.
8 months - 7 month valve minus 1% of the 7 month value.
etc.
This isn't an insult, but rather a serious question. Is English actually your first language?
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 17 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Marcus Sundman on 30-May-2002 18:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Darrin):
> reduce by a further 1% (of the original cost)
The article didn't say this. It said "falling by 1% per month" which is entirely different than "falling by 1% of the original price per month" (which is the same as "falling by 1 %-unit per month").
> so the value of a board that was 12 months old would be .... 69%
That is, if they take 12 (i.e. >=12, but <13) months old boards and not just 6-12 (i.e. >=6, but <12) months old boards.
> Or to put it VERY simply 75-669
<sarcasm level="100%">
Oh, I didn't realize that 75-669
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> It's pretty clear, without any additional explainations, that the price does
> not decrease as follows:
> 6 months - 75% of original value.
> 7 months - 6 month value minus 1% of the 6 month value.
> 8 months - 7 month valve minus 1% of the 7 month value.
> etc.
That is still what the article said, now isn't it?
> This isn't an insult, but rather a serious question. Is English actually your
> first language?
Of course not! If it was then why would I have a .fi email address?
But that is of course irrelevant. I believe I'm quite correct in my interpretation of the article. What stunned me was that the writer of the article was as stupid as you seem to be.
Of course I realize that the writer meant "%-units" instead of "%"! What was stunning was that he made the error in the first place. What's even more stunning is that you make the same error even after reading my explanation of why it is wrong!
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 18 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by sutro on 30-May-2002 19:09 GMT
It's good news. We just have to wait and see it materialise. And I agree with Eyetech's view that slot1 sucks.
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 19 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Marcus Sundman on 30-May-2002 20:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Marcus Sundman):
I apologize for calling anyone stupid (directly or indirectly). I deeply regret doing so. (Even if someone would be stupid that wouldn't give me the right to say it out loud.)
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 20 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Arild Kvam on 30-May-2002 21:07 GMT
Dual G4. Yum, Yum!
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 21 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 30-May-2002 23:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Marcus Sundman):
>>I apologize for calling anyone stupid (directly or indirectly). I deeply regret doing so. (Even if someone would be stupid that wouldn't give me the right to say it out loud.)
I'm glad I read this comment before replying to your last one... I was about to unleash a "verbal broadside" at you ;)
You have to remember that English is a very unstructured language and the reader has to decide for himself what the text means with very few clues. That's why the USA has so many lawyers to argue over exactly what the Constitution does (or does not say) and how it should (or should not) be interpreted. :)
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 22 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-May-2002 23:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (sutro):
Why does Slot1 suck more than MegArray?
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 23 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 30-May-2002 23:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
Because slot1, (Super,Layered,Offshore,Thinkpad,1)
(which was developed by disney in the earli eighties
to connect different video-mainframes in realtime)
suffers from "elektro-divorce-fragmentation", which means
that after one year of use, it starts to vibrate heavily,
causing it to crack up the motherboard so badly that it
can no longer be used. But sometimes it just explodes..
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 24 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 31-May-2002 00:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
"Why does Slot1 suck more than MegArray?"
Well, the Slot1 is a slot, so it is fairly long (at 242 pins in 2 rows, there's a limit to how short it can be and still work _reliably_). If you connect the northbridge to the slot and the cpu to the daughtercard, you might get problems in 2 respects. First, high frequency signals do not mix well with long tracks, because of the electrocal properties of the track. Secondly, long tracks cause latency. Some signals _MUST_ (underlined and caps on ;) ) come before another signal. For instance if the clock signal comes a nanosecond before the databus is stabilized when the CPU is waiting for data, you'll get unpredictable results. At 133MHz a cycle lasts 8ns, 1/8 of a cycle is a LOT, and 10cm is half a nanosecond at light speed in copper.
So, what about the MegArray? Well, it's an array, thus has more pins in one direction and less in the other. Except it doesn't have pins, it has balls. At 1.27 mm per ball (in either direction of the array), the 300 ball MegArray of the TeronPX/A1G3XE measures about 12x37mm. That means the difference in length between extrema is a LOT smaller, and since it doesn't add more then 4-8 mm in itself (board to board) it gets even better. At 133MHz you can have 2 or more CPUs on one MegArray connector without getting into TOO much trouble, that makes for REALLY simple motherboards compared to two slot 1's. Remember there's a reason why Intel and AMD stopped the slot based systems and went back to the design of the 486 ;)
Hope that helps a bit.
More about the technical challenge of designing the MegArray:
http://www.fciconnect.com/products/technical_01_12.htm
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 25 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Prang on 31-May-2002 00:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Leif):
ROFL!!!!!
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 26 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Marcus Sundman on 31-May-2002 00:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Darrin):
> You have to remember that English is a very unstructured language and the
> reader has to decide for himself what the text means with very few clues.
I simply refuse to _guess_ what other people mean. People should say what they mean instead of saying something completely different.
I talked about this the other day with a friend of mine and we were both disturbed by the fact that often when you ask someone a question, then instead of answering the question she/he makes up another question and answers that question instead. It's this kind of people that are hard to talk with because they don't say what they mean but rather something else and then anyway rely on the listeners to understand what they meant. They also usually think they know what you're talking about even when they in fact don't.
It's rather funny (and somewhat sad) to witness a conversation between two such people since they can talk about completely different things and yet they think that they're both talking about the same thing. Often when I stumble upon a situation like that I ask a question at some critical point such that they both give the answer that is obvious from their point of view, and then when their answers are completely different they get really confused. After that it doesn't usually take long before they realize that they'd been talking about completely different things. Had I, however, not intervened they would probably never have noticed that they talked about different things.
The sad thing is that when I talk with such a person and tell her/him when what they're saying doesn't make any sense, she/he thinks that I'm the one that don't understand other people. The fact is that I often do, but I just wish that everyone would say what they mean. There would be more than enough misunderstanding in this world even without people saying completely other things than what they mean.
(Then about languages: I really think it'd be best to use a clean language like esperanto as a "world language", instead of using English, Spanish, Chinese or whatever. It doesn't take more than a couple of days to learn esperanto fairly well, so it would really be worth it, but people never do what's best for everyone... sigh)
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 27 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Marcus Sundman on 31-May-2002 00:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
> Except it doesn't have pins, it has balls. At 1.27 mm per ball (in either
> direction of the array), the 300 ball MegArray of the TeronPX/A1G3XE measures
> about 12x37mm.
Now _that_ I'd call a MB with BALLS! ;-)
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 28 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 31-May-2002 00:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Marcus Sundman):
LOL :)
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 29 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 31-May-2002 00:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Marcus Sundman):
LOL :)
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 30 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Moron on 31-May-2002 00:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
Don't double click "Add Comment", you moron.
Sheesh ;)
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 31 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 31-May-2002 05:58 GMT
Since AmigaOneG3's for developers are "already in the field", are they already in the hands of those developers?? Has any developer reported to have gotten one of those?? How about those dealers who ordered dev boards?
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 32 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 31-May-2002 07:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (priest):
I know Computer City got theirs, but how about others?
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 33 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by IanG on 31-May-2002 11:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Marcus Sundman):
With respect, the article does state clearly and disinctly that the final trade-in will be 69%. Since the context of the first part of the statement is "current retail price" it is sensible to assume this applies to the second part too. I will agree the wording is less than ideal though.
But please! Eyetech announce a SECOND A1 board in the pipeline, a fantastic (however you interpret the numbers) trade-in, and all people can find to do is quibble over an incidental issue. Be sane!
I hope Eyetech don't lose a load of money if/when people decide to trade in. It is effectively reducing the projected cost of the new board by around 30%.
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 34 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 31-May-2002 11:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Marcus Sundman):
>>It doesn't take more than a couple of days to learn esperanto fairly well, so it would really be worth it, but people never do what's best for everyone... sigh
I don't know about that. Poor old Arnold Judas Rimmer (BSc, SSc) spent years trying to learn Esperanto and never managed it. Mind you, I'm sure Ace Rimmer is fluent ;)
"Smoke me a Pegasos, I'll be back for an AmigaOne."
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 35 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by José on 31-May-2002 15:09 GMT
I'll wait for the XE:). I wouldn't buy the A1 without the possibility to upgrade it anyway.
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 36 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 31-May-2002 15:30 GMT
Does this CPU card have MegArray connector? (I did not find it from specs...)
http://www.sonnettech.com/publicfiles/pdfs/pdf_datasheets/duet_datasheet.pdf
And could it be used with AmigaOne-XE or with TeronPX?
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 37 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by patrick on 01-Jun-2002 00:43 GMT
Dear Amiga Fanatics,
I been an Amiga user for over ten years. I love Amiga computers and the OS. To me Morphos dosen't even exist it's not Amiga OS. Just ignore Morphos and it's users and they will go away and go else where. Why should we even give a fuck what they say it's not Amiga. This is an Amiga site if you want them gone ignore them Please. I just don't wanna see these Morphing assholes anymore. We will get our Amigaone and OS4.0. Amiga has heritage something Morphos doesn't have. If we ignore them they we go away and feel alone. You can curse me to hell but I will just ignore you people something Amiga users should of done a long time ago. If Amiga users would have just done that long ago there would be no Morphos. Just ignore everything Morph because it's you the Amiga user giving Morph what it needs to thrive. The more we feed them the bigger they get. Oh, incase you Morph people say I need to get a life I do have a life. I'm married and expecting a baby on the way. I also I have a job and lots of friends but Amiga is my best friend.
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 38 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by redfox on 01-Jun-2002 13:00 GMT
Great news about AmigaOne. Most likely, I will go with AmigaOneG3-SE first, then upgrade later.
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 39 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Jun-2002 00:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
It sucks. They jsut put that out becasue Peagsos is already out dam what a weak statement.
PEGASOS Rocks
Eyetech AmigaONE update : Comment 40 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Frans on 02-Jun-2002 09:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
Actually, YOU are the one that Sucks.
What a moron you must be; making allegations "Anonymous", no less,
and not even bothering to get your facts straight.
The Eyetech press release beats the Pegasos release by one day being put out on May 30th as opposed to May 31st. So its actually the other way around.
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