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[News] Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press releaseANN.lu
Posted on 31-May-2002 12:43 GMT by Christophe Decanini71 comments
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This is the official press release.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 1 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 31-May-2002 10:46 GMT
"Oh happy day" *sing*
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 2 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by W on 31-May-2002 10:51 GMT
Good work!
But isnt this press release a little strange? Why isnt there any information about the price, kind of CPU, software included (is it MOS 1.0 or still a beta?), etc..?
/W
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 3 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 31-May-2002 10:58 GMT
I could not find more information. I don't know where the previous poster (Incisor)got his information.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 4 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 31-May-2002 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Christophe Decanini):
I couldn't either. And I can't figure out his maths ;)
So I'm guessing he's flamebaiting, and in that case it's not much of a problem if his thread turned into a discussion on taxes... :)
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 5 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 31-May-2002 11:09 GMT
Hmm, yes, let's look at the bottom of the page, where they
have a "Safe Harbor" statement:
> This release may contain certain forward-looking statements
> that are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the
> Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual
> events or results may differ from Pretory's expectations.
Translation: "This is only hype!"
So, what Thendic are saying is:
"Look! Pegasos boards are done and shipping! Yay!
P.S. Um, not really. But don't sue us for saying so."
Further clarification: there are no Pegasos boards shipping,
and MorphOS isn't done.
For the record, I personally have nothing against MorphOS,
and I have more than half a mind to get a Pegasos board in
addition to an AmigaOne. But which is the more trustworthy
company, Eyetech or Thendic, is an exercise left to the
reader.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 6 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 31-May-2002 11:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (W):
According to Petra Struck from Amiga News:
Ich habe mir nur tel. bestätigen lassen, dass MorphOS dabei war.
Welche Version, und ob für Endkunden weiß ich nicht.
I had a confirmation by Telephon,(after a Telephon call to Bplan) that MorphOS is included.
Which Version and if it`s the consumer Realease , i don`t know
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 7 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 31-May-2002 11:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Bladerunner):
> "Oh happy day" *sing*
Umm, yes. I had a little wander 'round Pretory USA's website. They're Thendic's holding company, that's all. Created in 1997.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 8 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 31-May-2002 11:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (anarchic_teapot):
So what? Pegasos is on shedule and shipping, that`s what counts :-)
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 9 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 31-May-2002 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Bladerunner):
>Which Version and if it`s the consumer Realease , i don`t know
I think Bill Buck can answer about the MorphOS version shipping with the Pegasos.
I know from MorphOS developers that MorphOS is not finished yet. I assume that if the Pegasos is shipping with MorphOS, it is still a developper or demo version. If MorphOS was ready they would definitely deliver it to the Amiga market.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 10 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by hgm on 31-May-2002 11:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Christophe Decanini):
Porting and updating 3.1 to 4.0 is a very difficult task. Certainly in six month's with
volunteers and pro's. So imho 4.0 is not ready but it will work for the time being.
If this is the right way??? I have my doubts. But we will see.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 11 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 31-May-2002 11:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (hgm):
I think there is a misunderstanding, this is not an AmigaOS4 thread.
I hope to have one soon that says "AmigaOne has shipped".
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 12 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 31-May-2002 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Christophe Decanini):
Read Eyetech's last update, A1G3 has shipped(at least to some developers).
:-P
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 13 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 31-May-2002 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (redrumloa):
Yes, like the Pegasos did for some key developers.
The users that ordered the Amigaone are still waiting.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 14 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 31-May-2002 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (redrumloa):
Yes, five Boards, which are NOT the final AoneG3SE (missing protection rom)
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 15 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by clhammer on 31-May-2002 12:16 GMT
Hmmmmm.... no mention of Amiga.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 16 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Fabian on 31-May-2002 12:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (ehaines):
Actually a Safe Habor statement is about expectations and security (stock prices). In other words so that you don't sue them if you buy their stock and they never deliver on their product. In this case I believe that centers on their handheld devices to be based on Pegasos, not so much their mainboard that is supposedly available now. I wouldn't call this PR a lie.
Hmm, yes, let's look at the bottom of the page, where they
have a "Safe Harbor" statement:
> This release may contain certain forward-looking statements
> that are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the
> Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual
> events or results may differ from Pretory's expectations.
Translation: "This is only hype!"
So, what Thendic are saying is:
"Look! Pegasos boards are done and shipping! Yay!
P.S. Um, not really. But don't sue us for saying so."
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 17 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 31-May-2002 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (ehaines):
ROTFL.
Nice way to (deliberately?) misrepresent the information!
Hint - the disclaimer at the foot is a STANDARD DISCLAIMER used by all companies when they announce anything which might be interpreted by someone as a definite statement of what is going to happen in the future such that it may affect stock prices et al - stops them being sued when some lameass moron misunderstands what they write and acts upon that information, for example.
The disclaimer does nothing to detract from the FACT that they did ship Pegasos.
Pegasos has shipped.
Fact. Deal with it.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 18 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 31-May-2002 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Bladerunner):
Bladerunner, could you post a link to that "missing protection rom" information?
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 19 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 31-May-2002 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Bladerunner):
> So what? Pegasos is on shedule and shipping, that`s what counts :-)
One Pegasos shipped to your own holding company does not a Commercial Launch make.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 20 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Simon on 31-May-2002 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Bladerunner):
> Yes, five Boards, which are NOT the final AoneG3SE (missing protection rom)
I think you're wrong there. But even as an A1 supporter, I agree that we should shut up and give some credit to bPlan, things look good from both sides.
People get way too personal over motherboards in here... it's kinda... no, it's really really.... stupid.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 21 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 31-May-2002 12:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (priest):
One of the five Aone Boards was shipped to the Amiga Show in Leuwerden. Afair the missing rom thing was told there.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 22 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by W on 31-May-2002 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Bladerunner):
> I had a confirmation by Telephon,(after a Telephon call to Bplan) that MorphOS
> is included.
> Which Version and if it`s the consumer Realease , i don`t know
Lets hope that is it the consumer release. If it isnt, why didnt they wait until its ready? I mean, if there only was a few week until MOS is ready, why not wait and ship a finished software instead of a beta (or RC)? Or is it more than a few weeks until its ready? A few months?
I hope bplan makes a official statements that clarifys things because I (potential customer) am really confused....
/W
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 23 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by sutro on 31-May-2002 12:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (anarchic_teapot):
Pretory is a hoax. So does Thendic.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 24 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 31-May-2002 13:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (sutro):
verry active for a hoax...ohh err yes and the tendic video in which the pegasos was shown is also a fake..
Hmmm BTW has anyone prooven that we all are really existing? what if we all just live in a Matrix?
if that`s so.. go away you failure at the matrix, you are not real ;-))
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 25 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 31-May-2002 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Bladerunner):
Yes, five Boards, which are NOT the final AoneG3SE (missing protection rom)
URGGH, wrong answer. It's got the right ROM.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 26 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 31-May-2002 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Bladerunner):
By someone who didn't know at ALL what he was talking about, and actually tried a couple of other dirty tricks as well... The ROM is there.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 27 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 31-May-2002 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Bladerunner):
Wrong!
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 28 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 31-May-2002 13:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (anarchic_teapot):
i agree that this is not the 'real' launch of the pegasos.. oh my god agreeing with rose ! ;)
below is imho
morph needs some more work.. maybe a month who knows? but thendic never announced morph would be finished but that the pegasos would ship with linux and morph june 1 ;) and they have done that ..
because morph is not yet ready to be released to the end user and there might be pontential issues if that possibly occured, it looks that limiting sales to resellers and developers until morphos(0.5?/1.0?)is complete is the strategy.
however i could be wrong and morph could be finished next week ;)
so no this is not the big rollout but hey how hard is it to get 10 amigans who wanna play with the pegasos ;)
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 29 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 31-May-2002 15:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (anarchic_teapot):
Sorry Rose, you make a wrong guess.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 30 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 31-May-2002 15:53 GMT
Hmmm
I hope that there are better at doing business than designing web sites !
I'll only by a Pegasos if it can run Amiga OS !
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 31 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 31-May-2002 16:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (cheesegrate):
How about THIS for a theory:
bPlan now know that a consumer release of their illegal MorphOS product will be impossible without a excessive delay while the illegal parts are removed. What is more, if they wait for MorphOS to be rewritten then the AmigaOne with OS4 will be already available and they will lose a lot of their potential customers to this rival machine. In order to combat this and reduce their losses they have decided to release their motherboard with RabidDogLinsux and an old freely downloadable and incomplete MorphOS BUT they will fail to clarify the fact that it is not a final comercial release. Cusomers will then run out and place their advance orders for the Pegasos board assuming they are getting an AmigaOS compatible PPC OS in the form of MorphOS. Credit cards will be quickly charged, boards will follow (much) later and the consumer will receive his wonderful motherboard only to discover he has a beta MorphOS installed on it. All attempts to get a refund will fail "Hey, we sent you a mobo, linux and MorphOS... just like we advertised!!!". The AmigaOne is launched with OS4, but Pegasos owners can only dream of a decent PPC OS as they have spent all of their spare cash on a Linux board and can only pray that OS4 may one day be released for the Pegasos. As the months progress boards fail, are sent back for repair and are never seen again. MorphOS as an Amiga compatible OS is still frozen in the courts and the legal re-write is still missing it's user interface. Under increaseing pressure from an angry customer base, bPlan declare bankruptcy and vanish without a trace. After the smoke clears a new company called "SeaPan" appears on the horizon with a stunning new product - a dual PPC G5 PPC mobo with a brand new Amiga-like OS called WharfOS. Amazingly, most of it's employees have names that are remarkably similary to bPlan's staff...
Somewhere, hidden from sight, Dr Ralph Evil strokes a bald cat on his lap and laughs in harmony with his minature clone likeness. Whhhaahhaaahahahhhhahh....
PLEASE don't take this seriously ;)
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 32 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 31-May-2002 16:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Darrin):
Let's try to be objective:
Pegasos is shipping with Linux and a MorphOS dev version.
Amigaone is almost shipping with Linux.
That's good news: the Hardware is ready.
Now we can only speculate about the OS:
- MorphOS is in an usable state for developers on powerup, but miss components to be ready for end users.
- AmigaOS4 is not yet in an usable state as it looks that a lot of key developpers do not use a PPC AmigaOS yet
- MorphOS on pegasos is working on a few key developers, as it is shipping with the Pegasos it may be usable for a wider range of developers.
MorphOS looks ahead in time. It makes sense as the development was started way before (2 years ago ?).
I'am sure both teams do everything they can to produce the goods.
They'd better do that instead of trying to destroy each other in wich case we would all lose.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 33 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 31-May-2002 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Christophe Decanini):
We could send them on a camping holiday ( see other thread ) with Samface, Cheesegrate, Anders, Ole and Bill.
Given sufficient accuracy that should expediate negotiations.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 34 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 31-May-2002 17:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Christophe Decanini):
Perhaps this move might spur Eyetech into releasing the AmigaOne loaded with Linux only and then mail the finished (and pre-paid)OS4 to them later. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a finished A1 a month before the OS was ready just so that I could tower the mobo and purchase/test the components I plan to use... it would at least help to pass the time.
I would have bought a dev board if Eyetech had made it perfectly clear that it was going to be exactly the same as the production board, hadn't stated that only serious software developers should order the board and if I hadn't been abroad for the ordering period (and without internet access... COLD TURKEY!!!).
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 35 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 31-May-2002 17:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Darrin):
Borrow Ole's, hes not planning to do anything constructive with his....
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 36 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by hagge on 31-May-2002 17:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (ehaines):
that safe stuff is probably about the handheld.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 37 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 31-May-2002 17:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (DaveW):
Including me in that list was a nice touch. That's what you get for trying to make them all go away. This is my last message here. Goodbye.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 38 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 31-May-2002 17:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
Who wants them to go away?
Who said that I was listing those who were trolling? I think you need a beer Ole twas just lampooning.
Internet == crap media for humour clearly.
Dave.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 39 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 31-May-2002 18:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Christophe Decanini):
>AmigaOS4 is not yet in an usable state as it looks that a lot of key developpers do not use
> a PPC AmigaOS yet
Not quite the case, because they are running 4.0 on PPC equipped Amigas.
In fact, the initial release of 4.0 will be for Amiga’s with PPC boards, to be
followed by the AmigaOne version. So we can say that 4.0 is working (in some
form) on an Amiga 4.0 platform.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 40 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 31-May-2002 18:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (sutro):
Why don't you check up their stocks at NASDAQ? They are too high to be a hoax:)
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 41 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 31-May-2002 19:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Christophe Decanini):
>Morphos Looks ahead in times...
Not Morphos but the kernel of it and the Amiga emulation box which is very different !
There still not any sign or dev stuff or docs about the QBox !!!
Its easier to borrow, emulate, an existing API than creating a new one, so I would say that Morphos is behind in times !
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 42 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by ??? on 31-May-2002 19:22 GMT
Okay, Colour me confused. What is the actual news?
First, there was Pegasos is shipping with just Yellow Dog Linux.
Then, Pegasos is in fact shipping with both Yellow Dog Linux and Morphos.
Later, It's just Theodoric shipping Pegasos board(s) to their parent/holding company Pretory USA, Inc. in the US.
Which of the above is True or what actually happened? please cite source of info.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 43 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 31-May-2002 19:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> Why don't you check up their stocks at NASDAQ?
> They are too high to be a hoax:)
Who, Pretory? Currently at 29 cents, once over US £6, and haven't been traded in since May 17.
And they're not quoted on NASDAQ, but on the much less strict and infinitely more risky OTC (Over The Counter) market.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 44 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by /////ANDRE on 31-May-2002 19:53 GMT
Even more troubling...
By buying a Pegasos from Pretory are you
supporting invasive drug testing???
And all the personal privacy concerns raised by such testing?
>Sweat Scan (for single-use drug detection) and Cortez products (dip tests for the >rapid qualitative detection of a variety of illegal drugs in urine).
Let's all support "Big Brother". ;-(
Bye,
/////ANDRE
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 45 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 31-May-2002 19:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Nicolas Sallin):
Nicolas Sallin (in response to my pointing out that one mobo is hardly a commercial launch)
> Sorry Rose, you make a wrong guess.
I'm not guessing. The press release says "the first computer". Singular. It appears other boards are to be made, but they ain't shipped yet.
Unless the other mobos are in fact the handful of dev boards?
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 46 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 31-May-2002 20:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (anarchic_teapot):
Even. They are high enough to justify that it's not a ghost company...
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 47 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 31-May-2002 20:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> Even. They are high enough to justify that it's not a ghost company...
Alex, your loyalty becomes you, but I have actually seen their balance sheet, which is a public document filed with the SEC. It is not a pretty sight.
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 48 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 31-May-2002 20:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (anarchic_teapot):
Ah, Rose, so you followed Fleecy's example and now call me with my middle name
too... I wonder where he got that name from... (Not that I don't know... Only
one had it...)
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 49 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 31-May-2002 21:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (DaveW):
>>Borrow Ole's, hes not planning to do anything constructive with his....
Awww - that's cruel. Poor Ole has been chomping at the bit to get hold of his A1. I don't think you could get it out of his grasp without using a crowbar. :)
Looking further down the thread it seems he's lost his usual sense of humour. Dave, I think you owe him a big bunch of flowers and a box of chocolates. ;)
Thendic / PRETORY Pegasos distribution press release : Comment 50 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 31-May-2002 21:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Darrin):
> Perhaps this move might spur Eyetech into releasing the AmigaOne loaded
> with Linux only and then mail the finished (and pre-paid)OS4 to them later.
Um, they did just exactly that. That was the "dev" board run. (Except OS4
isn't pre-paid, it's pre-ordered. i.e., anyone who ordered one must buy
OS4 when it's done.)
> I would have bought a dev board if Eyetech had made it perfectly clear that
> it was going to be exactly the same as the production board,
They did just exactly that.
> hadn't stated that only serious software developers should order the board
They didn't; they said that people could order the board and just admire it
if they really really wanted to.
> and if I hadn't been abroad for the ordering period (and without internet
> access... COLD TURKEY!!!)
Well, can't help with that. ;)
But all of this just goes to show you ought to listen to what Eyetech are
actually saying, not people's "interpretation"....
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