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[Rant] AmigaAnywhere isn't AmigaDE ?ANN.lu
Posted on 01-Jun-2002 16:36 GMT by NoBeForMe16 comments
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The AmigaAnywhere pack apparently can't run AmigaDE content. People who spent $30 or more on the "Entertainment Pack" can only run the four games included with that pack. They also can't run those games from a non PocketPC system.

Amiga Inc says that it intends to eventually write a Player application for PocketPC, and then PocketPC owners will be able to buy this additional software (the desktop equivalent costs $20) on top of the Entertainment Pack and any extra games. The Entertainment Pack itself remains a "sealed unit". There is as yet no ETA or price information for the PocketPC Player.

What do developers think of this? Were you expecting to generate sales based on AA Entertainment Pack purchases, or did Amiga warn you that PocketPC owners wouldn't be able to buy your games ?

AmigaAnywhere isn't AmigaDE ? : Comment 1 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Marcus Sundman on 01-Jun-2002 14:44 GMT
Can anyone confirm this?
AmigaAnywhere isn't AmigaDE ? : Comment 2 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 01-Jun-2002 15:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Marcus Sundman):
Is this surprising?
My impression from the first was that this is a pack of four games to
run on PocketPC devices. Nobody said it was a universal player for
other games or devices.
It seems to be designed as a trial run more than anything.
AmigaAnywhere isn't AmigaDE ? : Comment 3 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 01-Jun-2002 18:50 GMT
"Apparently" the moon is made of cheese.
AmigaAnywhere isn't AmigaDE ? : Comment 4 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 01-Jun-2002 20:13 GMT
I knew it was just a "PocketPC" player, but I thought you could at least play other DE compatible games. That would be particularly shit if it wasn't the case.
AmigaAnywhere isn't AmigaDE ? : Comment 5 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 01-Jun-2002 21:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Marcus Sundman):
I'm with Marcus- anyone have 'evidence?' Is this common knowledge on the AmiOpen list (which I really should resubscribe to, heh)...? It does still run on all 3 WinCE architectures, I hope?
I don't think Bill said anything outright in the TechTV interview, but as the game pack looked like it shared the Player's UI*, it seemed like it was going to be able to take .AMIs.
*That /was/ a Player window and not a WinCE directory view, right?
AmigaAnywhere isn't AmigaDE ? : Comment 6 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by tlosm on 01-Jun-2002 22:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
Amiga anywhere ?
ummm .... is not mutch simple have Uae on WinCe?
it think is mutch anywhere :)
tlosm
www.amigazette.it stuff writer
AmigaAnywhere isn't AmigaDE ? : Comment 7 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 01-Jun-2002 23:16 GMT
Just to inform you guys, but the Entertainment pack (singular) was afaik not intended to run other content than the one provided with it. That's one of the cool things about it actually. A PocketPC user inserts a card and the games runs transparently, AFAIK you can even run them without even know they aren't native. IIRC there will be other solutions for running vanilla AmigaAnywhere content on for instance PocketPC. So, actually, I don't see what the problem is really. OK, so things are going slowly, but we (they) want this to be as good as possible so they/we don't want to rush it. Could you please name someone elses similar approaches that has done more than Amigas portable system? Maybe Java, but we all know the downsides of it and AmigaAnywhere has a fast JVM builtin anyway.
I can't really comprehend why you guys are all that negative about AmigaAnywhere. It's lightweighted but still powerful, it builds on someone elses technology but it's a technology that gives us a head start into the feature.
AmigaAnywhere isn't AmigaDE ? : Comment 8 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jun-2002 23:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Marcus Sundman):
Go look at www.amiga-anywhere.com yourself.
e.g.
http://amiga-anywhere.com/shop.php?prod_id=36
It says:
"Note: This product is not currently available for handheld devices. This product is currently available for Windows and Linux desktops with the additional purchase of an AmigaDE player for the specific desktop operating system requested. This product will be available soon for handheld devices and we encourage you to visit amiga-anywhere.com on a regular basis."
This seems to be the case for all programs there I checked.
So, currently you can't run the programs on that site on anything other than the DE Player on Windows or Linux. You can't run them on the SDK or on the PartyPack, nor can you run them on the PocketPC Entertainment Pack. I think it has got more to do with the way the applications are installed and packed, not that the binaries itself would be incompatible.
But fact is fact: Amiga Anywhere is far from Anywhere at this time. This doesn't seem to be a very widely known fact though, perhaps good that someone brought it up.
AmigaAnywhere isn't AmigaDE ? : Comment 9 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by twiceaday on 02-Jun-2002 00:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Nicolas Mendoza):
they are just constipated axxholes, don't pay attention to them, ignorance is ignorance...
AmigaAnywhere isn't AmigaDE ? : Comment 10 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Jun-2002 21:20 GMT
The *only* half-decent thing about AminoDE was that it was supposed to be portable.
Amino have deliberately introduced incompatibilities to prevent the software from running on any non-Microfilth platform. Which is exactly the thing they originally said they didn't want.
"Amino Anywhere"? I think not.
So we have to pay $$ for a couple of extremely lame GBC-equivalent craplets (a very mediocre shoot-em-up, a Solitaire game (!), some crap snake game which is far inferior to the freeware Worm Wars, & some boring puzzle game. I would not install this crap on my system for free, let alone pay for it.
which only run on $$$$ WinCE devices.
Maybe Amino forgets that MAME, etc. are available for WinCE?
Hope Amino goes broke, then Amiga might get bought out by a proper company that will ditch this AminoDE/AminoAnywhere crap, Microfilth partnerships, sueing of the Amiga community etc.
AmigaAnywhere isn't AmigaDE ? : Comment 11 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 03-Jun-2002 01:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Hey, it's that guy from Moonbunny that keeps calling Amiga Amino so that he can look like an ass.
I have no interest in the DE either. But you have to give them credit for trying to make some revenue. Any other company (unless it was an established company that would have little interest in pushing a 4.0 project) would have to do the same. Your statements are a bit silly. Like you would criticize the original Amiga for making joysticks (joypads) and games for the Atari 2600, just so they could generate some money.
AmigaAnywhere isn't AmigaDE ? : Comment 12 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2002 02:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (NihilVor):
Huh? Moonbunny?? I would never go any site with such a silly name. I have noticed many people referring them to Amino.
Anyway you didn't justify why Amino deliberates makes its products incompatible with non-Windoze platforms. It would have been *less* effort for them to make it compatible. Why does it not run on the SDK, AmigaDE Player, etc.? Because Amino want everyone to buy *many* copies of intent rather than just one.
AmigaAnywhere isn't AmigaDE ? : Comment 13 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 03-Jun-2002 06:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
It seems Amiga wants AmigaAnywhere to be "write once, run anywhere" for developers, but doesn't want "buy once, run anywhere" for end users.
-- gary_c
AmigaAnywhere isn't AmigaDE ? : Comment 14 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by blah blah on 03-Jun-2002 07:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (gary_c):
AMiga has become antiamiga . I hat to say it ,but i told you so. Crappy Amiga is in bed with mickysoft.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Sad but true.
AmigaAnywhere isn't AmigaDE ? : Comment 15 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2002 07:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
bill and fleccy are amino
AmigaAnywhere isn't AmigaDE ? : Comment 16 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2002 23:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (gary_c):
They don't want anything for developers except a mechanism to lock them in the trunk. Hence the walled garden design of DE Player and now AmigaAnywhere.
Just as only Microsoft can produce and sell X Box games, only Amiga Inc can produce and sell DE Player or AmigaAnywhere titles. Developers, despite paying a significant amount of money for the SDK, the Player and perhaps other tools, signing a bunch of legal documents and spending perhaps many man years on development cannot sell or even give away software to end users without Amiga's explicit permission.
Amiga control the only means of distribution through technology that forbids the "Player" application from running unauthorised software, Amiga automatically takes a large cut of the money taken from customers, and all responsibility for support and development rests with you, the developer. What a great deal - NOT.
If you have millions of users, blanket advertising and a great software lineup you are guaranteed success in this market. Developers will love you, customers will love you and your bank manager will love you. No-one complains about lock-in if they are locked into a gravy train.
Amiga have less than 10 thousand users, no advertising and one competent but slightly dull game, plus a couple of dozen duds. Bill McEwen (who if you will recall, is a liar) calls this "more than 100 applications".
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