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[Motd] I'am out of here.ANN.lu
Posted on 03-Jun-2002 17:29 GMT by Christophe Decanini156 comments
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Hi, Despite the fact that ANN is successfull when speaking about visit numbers I think it is bad in a number of ways that Christian or Teemu/I do not control.
In order to focus on something better for the Amiga platform I will leave this board for a while until the climate become better. I may still help Christian if required but won't be there everyday as I used to do. There are some individuals that love to fight and create animosity between the last people doing something for our platform. There is nothing I can do to make them understand that there are no good and bad people but just some courageous people with limited ressources that try to offer us a future for our platform. They should be an example to follow, not people to be insulted at. People such as Ralph Schmidt, the Frieden brothers and some others did the right thing and I will follow their example with avoiding coming here to read (mostly) useless comments.
Maybe there is a technical solution to implement to kick/bann such individuals or disable comments on some threads. I don't know if Christian wants to implement it or if it is to much work.
I feel depressed as ANN was for me the best news site. Victim of its success it drained all the frustration Amigans stacked these last years. ANN success is based on the fact that YOU can make it good posting interesting stuff. ANN is bad because we can not avoid the fights in the comments.
Let's focus on the quiet people that still release software or content for our platforms. Let's post reviews, links to their site etc instead of fighting again and again. I hope things will be better soon. If so I will come back. I hope to see your names in new Aminet ReadMe files.

Bye.
I'am out of here. : Comment 1 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 03-Jun-2002 15:44 GMT
Take care! Hope to see you back full time in the future.
I'am out of here. : Comment 2 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 03-Jun-2002 15:50 GMT
Drop me a line at the address above , I truely want to sort this issue out , maybe a small e-mail chat can clear the air.
It saddens me to see anyone that gains the amiga community ( yes thats a complement ) leave for any reason , it also saddens me to be personally attacked for my view, so drop me a line and i'll do my best to correct this and i'm quite happy to say sorry were need be.
I'am out of here. : Comment 3 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 03-Jun-2002 16:08 GMT
Ahum...Not willing to sound that negative, but there has a split taken place, and there's no way back....
Releasing both products will surely not make it any better, but probably even worse...
The best thing would probably to handle both "camps" seperatly. www.MNN.lu and www.ANN.lu maybe?
Another funny thing is that people get more and more easy offended by (see the "french pricks" thread).
Where will it end? People feeling insulted by a simple "hello" because that isn't cool enough to say to someone?
Let www.ANN.lu get back to wat it used to be....an Amiga News Network.
No Windows or any other OSes allowed ;-)
All other OSes have their own site already....
I'am out of here. : Comment 4 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 03-Jun-2002 16:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Amifan):
> The best thing would probably to handle both "camps" seperatly. www.MNN.lu
> and www.ANN.lu maybe?
These two camps only exist in your mind. That's what you (with the help of some other (sorry) idiots) made out of the situation.
I'am out of here. : Comment 5 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 03-Jun-2002 16:25 GMT
This is unfortunate, but I'm not sure that quitting ever changes the situation.
The Amiga community is rife with idiots that see this as an opportunity to gain attention and be disruptive. The signal to noise ratio can be a problem, but when you open up a forum for expression this is bound to happen.
A few people here consistently offer insightful comments - this makes it all worthwhile.
I'am out of here. : Comment 6 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 03-Jun-2002 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (anon):
And another flame has started....thank you for demonstrating my claim that people are sooo easily offented, frustrated, feeling the need swear a little here and a little there...do you know that it took many...MANY post before I insulted Ralph Schmidt in the "Don't buy a Mediator because it's crap" thread?
And in the END? I was right since the performance of the Mediator1200 isn't worse then the GREX1200 despite some technical issues. It's the performance that matter no matter how it's achived. In a thread like that, the insults start when someone is running out of arguments. But now there are no arguments at all. And with no arguments there's no discussion.
In those days, "emotional" discussions like that one differ greatly from plain dirty flamewars which are started over and over again nowadays:
They had a subject.............
Now think about that.
I'am out of here. : Comment 7 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 03-Jun-2002 16:48 GMT
Their all ready exists an MorphOS News site this do not stop MorphOS folks from posting,
Slash-dot is for linux users and Meany Linux users do like Amiga, so how can you differ,
I do not view the OS vs OS issue as problem in here it's only when you do not tolerates an otter ones view,
you end up at the flame war comments. The forums will be uninteresting
if you were not allowed to say watts on you're mind,
No matter watt, hey i have idea for regulating anonymous posting how about an option do disable it.
I'am out of here. : Comment 8 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 03-Jun-2002 16:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (anonymous):
PS.I do agree to you're comment, except when it's anonymous it do not count that match.
I'am out of here. : Comment 9 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Jake on 03-Jun-2002 16:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Amifan):
Well. the comunity has become litle colder then it used to, lot's of those insults,flame war's etc. my guess is it's come along with the Wait, Wait Wait and some more wait for A1, OS4, MorphOS etc. I also have a theori, this is all because of Elbox,Amiga Inc, Eyetech with more!. more Elbox but, and am thinking about the silence.
I'am out of here. : Comment 10 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by twice-a-day on 03-Jun-2002 17:07 GMT
bah, you think we will stay here and cry cause we are missing you?
You know, everybody body should think for himself and stop behaving like little kids.. "I'll leave and will come back when he is not gonna be here anymore.." stuff is just plain childish.
I want to make it clear that i'm not agains any particular individual, i'm agains the childish behaviour, behaviour that is the reason we are all in this situation now.
As somebody said already 'grow thicker skin' people and stop being little sissies, please for the good of the community, or at least for your own public image!
I'am out of here. : Comment 11 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 03-Jun-2002 17:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (kjetil):
Yes sure it's OK to like several OSes, but you have to know on what forum you are...If you like linux, then you talk about Linux in a Linux forum. That's very logical to me.
But you only talk about for example why AmigaOS is soooo much better then Linux, that Linux 10.0 is vapor an will never exist either in a Linux forum when you don't like Linux but only AmigaOS. In that case you should be banned from that forum, because you're totally of the subject and possibly irritaing much people too.
You don't post Amiga-related news in a Linux forum if it got nothing to do with Linux at all.
You don't post news like "The AmigaONE is out soon" in a WindowsXP forum because WindowsXP is not capable of running on that machine, Just like you don't post "The AMD Opteron is getting launched Q2 2003" or "This perticular Piece of PPC equipted hardware will be available......." when you know that it is not able to run AmigaOS or it's able, but the compagny behind it don't want it to run AmigaOS.
That's what I call NOT amiga related news and should not be posted (or even allowed) on an amiga newspage.
This will prevent al lot of stupid flamewars without any subject....
I'am out of here. : Comment 12 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 03-Jun-2002 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Amifan):
Why overreact on my post? See the truth. Try to understand what I have written. Free your mind with any prejudice.
I'am out of here. : Comment 13 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 03-Jun-2002 17:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Amifan):
"Let www.ANN.lu get back to wat it used to be....an Amiga News Network.
No Windows or any other OSes allowed ;-)"
Well, I always liked Amiga users for their open mind. (Who does remember the great BeOS article in CU Amiga (R.I.P.)?)
If this site becomes exclusive to Amiga Inc. related topics, I'll be off for good. And I most certainly won't be the only one to leave. But then again, perhaps it will make you happy to see all people go who don't share your fanatical views.
I say NO to intolerance!
I'am out of here. : Comment 14 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 03-Jun-2002 17:28 GMT
Sad to see this happen but it is true. Reading ANN posts isn't fun anymore and you have to search hard to find good comments between the numerous flames.
I think the community is like that because of the amiga situation in general. Whatever happens, all amigans are having a difficult time and i don't think it's abnormal after so many dissapointments during the past 7 or so years.
The amiga market is so small and "frozen" that there just isn't much to talk about (how long are we already talking about non-buyable products like amigaone/amigaos4.0/morphos1.0,...?)
I think the situation will change once (and if) AmigaOS/morphos/pegasos/amigaone... are out.
Here's hope for the future.
I'am out of here. : Comment 15 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 03-Jun-2002 17:31 GMT
@ bbrv@thendic-france.com
SMTP server bounced the reply so here it is :
"
I have always seen that the things I say can be hurtful. And I know all to
well how it works the other way round. An example of this is every time I
leave a positive comment about OS4 , only to be flamed down by various
MorphOS supporters. When I leave positive and constructive comments about
Morphos/Bplan news it becomes the same situation.
The worst impression left I my mind was being flamed in a MorphOS channel
for buying os3.9 and looking forward to OS4. The irony is at that time I was
actually trying to get help to get MorphOS running.
The best thing that could be done is to clear up the link between MorphOS,
Bplan , DCE and the now dead Phase 5. Also an explanation of why Bplan told
DCE not to support OS4 , because I my mind it sounds very similar to the
situation before with the PPC kernels , many of us asked for a flashrom with
out the ppc.library only to be ignored. Another bit of irony is that I was
just about to order a GRex for my amiga and I thought I'd check ann first ,
upon seeing that news I decided not to continue the order. Another tension
relieving action would be to get DCE to publicly report what the hell is
happening with peoples ppc cards as you only need to go into one amiga
channel to find 2 or 3 people that haven't got a card because its been with
DCE for a very long period of time and DCE won't answer their e-mails.
I hope we can sort out and correct the issues that currently hurt the amiga
community.
Amirage@subdimension.com
"
Interesting thing is : X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) , thought you'd be using YAM or summin.
I'am out of here. : Comment 16 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 03-Jun-2002 17:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Jake):
>I also have a theori, this is all because of Elbox,Amiga Inc, Eyetech with >more!. more Elbox but, and am thinking about the silence.
Yes ofcourse they all added a little to the current situation, because some of them where a little to eager to share their plan with the community but which they couldn't realize. And there are others who tried to fill the gap with new initiatives while the captains were still sorting out which way to go. But those people are to blame aswell since instead of trying to cooperate, or at least talking about a way to get along, they decided for a mutery.
We, users, don't have the slightest idea what was going on behind the curtains, and we will probably never know the truth. We have a saying in Holland: When two parties are claiming to say the truth, then the real truth is somewhere in between.
Now much users picked a side of who they thought was telling the truth. I did and chose for AmigaOS4 for the simple reason that it's based around the original OS what i've been using for over 10 years now. But that's my descision.
Both "camp" are even driven more apart when the bashing and flaming around started because it made me disike certain people. I wonder if this gap will ever close.
A second reason is the frustration caused by those long waits for new hardware. I admit that i'm very eager to buy the AmigaONE now while it's so close to its release. I've got plenty of cash to spend on it and guess what? My girlfriend doesn't even care because I don't kow where to spend all my money on anyway ;-)
Now this second reason will be gone when the AmigaONE gets released, but you can count on it that when there's no clear seperation between AmigaOS4 (when the other OS manufacturer publically states that it's a new platform and don't want to have anything to do at all with the Amiga), the new flame subject will be:
Program X runs faster on our hardware, your hardware sucks...
This program is only available on our OS gna gna gna.....
"Threaths towards coders like "Now port that F%^&*$g program to our OS or else....."
It will never stop unless there's a seperations between AmigaOS and other OSes.
I'am out of here. : Comment 17 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 03-Jun-2002 17:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Amifan):
I do like to compare different OS options against one and otter to,
and I do believe that this gives me more reflected views on some issues,
this is not going to work on the M.OS - A.OS options we have not looked at the finished products yet.
- No matter watt any one says we do not know how fast, how the installer, so on options do look.
If you relay like to do so way not make ANN, coded in C requiring an AMIGA to run.
PS. about the C coded ANN news browser I do think it's grate idea only if every one is invited,
the ANN news browser most have config files containing user / password, so you do not need to logon every time.
the negative aspect is not so mobile as web based solution.
I'am out of here. : Comment 18 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 03-Jun-2002 17:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (anon):
I'm sorry, but I don't overreact on your post, I used it as an example how easy people use swearwords on anything that someone post.
And that's the problem nowadays on ANN, beople don't have a reason anymore to use swearwords, they just do.
I'am out of here. : Comment 19 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 03-Jun-2002 17:40 GMT
If an BAN option ever is going to be added how about one with penalty of X number of days from the ban day,
so when you have an change of hart you can come back.
I'am out of here. : Comment 20 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 03-Jun-2002 17:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (André Siegel):
Ow please, why do you think that it's called an Amiga News Network. This is not a newssite for just news. This newssite has a topic namely Amiga, specifically to Amiga related news. There a hundreds of news sites which post general news.
www.theregister.co.uk to name one.
>who don't share your fanatical views.
What does this have to do with being fanatical? I do read www.tomshardware.com, because I think it's interesting to read articals and reviews about hardware in general.
I read www.theregister.co.uk because i'm interested in "unconfirmed news" and they also cover much PowerPC related news. And I read www.amiga-news.de, www.amiga.org, www.amigart.com, www.ann.lu because i'm interested in Amiga news aswell.
So this got nothing to do with being fanatic or not. I want an amiga news site to remain an amiga news site.
>I say NO to intolerance!
Yeah yeah, and now i'm being intolerant, please let this be a joke....
"Vote for the alowance of pedestrians on the Highways!! Stop the intolorance!!"
I'am out of here. : Comment 21 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 03-Jun-2002 17:56 GMT
the ANN is not about Amiga News Network no more, it's about AMN,
Any MorphOS News, Just joking don't spank me to hard,
or Amiga Look alike News Network, with Forum.
Ann has progressed allot the only thing missing is flame pools.
I'am out of here. : Comment 22 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 03-Jun-2002 17:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Amifan):
"Ow please, why do you think that it's called an Amiga News Network."
It's not, dude. Not anymore, that is. As Christian stated quite a while ago, he removed the sub-title saying " Amiga News Network" and re-named the site to plain "ANN" (without a deeper meaning).
I'am out of here. : Comment 23 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 03-Jun-2002 18:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (André Siegel):
Then what is it now?
Just ANN? Just another computer related news site?
I'am out of here. : Comment 24 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by X on 03-Jun-2002 18:06 GMT
Who bloody cares?..
I'am out of here. : Comment 25 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 03-Jun-2002 18:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (X):
Now this is very civilized thread, but there's alway someone feeling the need to disturb the peace....Why don't you give ANN a break and try to make this a clean thread...
I'am out of here. : Comment 26 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 03-Jun-2002 18:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Amifan):
It's not just another computer site. It's targeted specificially at user who'd like to inform themselves about AmigaOS (obviously), MorphOS, Amithlon or AROS.
All of these have one thing in common, they can execute AmigaOS (pre-4) applications out-of-the-box. (As for AROS, this is only true if it's run on a real Amiga.)
I'am out of here. : Comment 27 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Casey R Williams on 03-Jun-2002 18:15 GMT
Yeah, it's pretty bad. I remember the old days, Leo, Eric and Jim, Alister, Dave, Silents, Scoopex and countless others. I remember the week the project I was working on for the CD32 was to go gold disk as the week Commodore folded in the US. I wondered how long we'd be able to hold together and swore that whichever platform everyone else left for would be the one I went to as well. As months turned to years things seemed to get better, the blow of not using the fastest or most modern computer was lessened by the continuous innovation, though the lack of commercial offerings made it really hard to justify the waiting around. I watched as the emulators caught on and ownership changed hands over and over and thought to myself that just maybe Amiga could survive as a virus, through emulation or Aros, on whatever hardware some enterprising Amigan would get his hands on or cook up. Neither the split between Warp/PowerUp, nor the fights over MUI/NewIcons, Cybergrafx/Picasso96, etc. could kill this damned (and you know it must be! ;) platform, and I don't expect the MorphOS/AmigaOS4 divide will matter in 2-3 years either. Oh, one will surely go one way and one the other, and while there might not be enough people who still care to go around, if one of these gangs make good on their promises they might have a fair chance of getting into some niche or catching on in some corner of the world. I can't concern myself with this fight as others have as frankly even if I could say which "plan" I like better, it's another matter to call which party I think will serve me better in the long run in providing a platform that encourages the development of the tools and agendas I want to be associated with. I think instead of trying to find the most narrow definition of Amiga (does Webster even care?) we should look at the most broad and try to be as useful as possible. Things like platform specific licenses will drive the wedge between camps even deeper than it is now, rivaling only legal actions as the ominous of the recent trends in this so-called community. Yeah, we had it all given to us once, but when it came our time to make a go of it we were too busy burying hatchets in each others' backs. I can only hope that the outcome of all of this will reflect what the pioneers of Amiga history deserve, an enduring platform(s) on which years of apps, games, demos etc. will be preserved and enjoyed for years lest they fall into the bit bucket forever. Because if the current community were to get what it deserved, it probably wouldn't be too much at all.
I'am out of here. : Comment 28 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 03-Jun-2002 18:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (André Siegel):
THen CK should definilty pick a subject then because, the four of them just don't get along. There are numerous examples of an Amiga versus MorphOS flamewar, An Amiga versus Amithlon flamewar. An Amithlon versus PPC flamewar. An x86 versus PPC flamewar and so on....
This just don't make sense...
I'am out of here. : Comment 29 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 03-Jun-2002 18:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Casey R Williams):
Well said, Casey :)
I'am out of here. : Comment 30 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 03-Jun-2002 18:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Amifan):
"THen CK should definilty pick a subject then because, the four of them just don't get along."
They would if everyone tried to be more tolerant. It's that simple.
I'am out of here. : Comment 31 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 03-Jun-2002 18:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (André Siegel):
Yeah, but then there would be world peace aswell and you know, that will never happen.
It's the nature of the beast...or in this case: mankind.
Our country (The Netherlands) was known as probably the most tolerant country in Europe, but we all know that this illusion ended a month ago with a political murder.
100% Tolerance is an illusion. Try to seperate the gladiators instead to avoid problems.
I'am out of here. : Comment 32 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 03-Jun-2002 18:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Amifan):
"Yeah, but then there would be world peace aswell and you know, that will never happen. It's the nature of the beast...or in this case: mankind."
Err, if you're not interested in a specific AmigaOS-compatible solution, just don't read any news about it. Is it that difficult to ignore a couple of news submissions which might have no value to you? I don't think so!
I'am out of here. : Comment 33 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 03-Jun-2002 18:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (André Siegel):
Not at all, but i'm not the only one reading posts on ANN. And no matter if it's AmigaOS only or MorphOS only, it still ends in a AmigaOS-MorphOS flamewar.
You can try to ignore it, but it's the a fact.
So now you can say that it's not hard to ignore such a news item. Well...apparently it is because why are there flamewars then?
It's not that hard to resist the temptation on crossing the speed limit on an empty road, but everyone has done that in his life.
It's not hard to resist eating chocholate,chips, bear when you know it will make fat.
It's not hard to resist an open opportunity to flame an MorphOS users while he made it really easy for you with a particular posting.
No, it shouldn't be hard to resist, but the facts prove this wrong.
I'am out of here. : Comment 34 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 03-Jun-2002 18:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Amifan):
It's drinking beer btw ;-)
I'am out of here. : Comment 35 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Bobby Schaefer on 03-Jun-2002 18:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (kjetil):
So the person's words have no meaning when there is no name behind them. If you read a Dylan Thomas poem and did not know it was written by Dylan Thomas, would that make it any less
poetic or cause it to suffer in quality?
Names are useful when holding a forum conversation, and people who hurl insults or lies while hiding in anonymity are gutless, but
just making a point does not require a name (most of which are just as anonymous as the word "anonymous" anyway. Very few of the regulars here use their real names, and some of the flamers do, does it make their flaming less obnoxious. I think not.)
My name's not "Bobby Schaefer", and I'm not the person who posted the remark you are referring to, and you'll just have to trust me on that.
I'am out of here. : Comment 36 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Jun-2002 19:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Amifan):
Can you please stop hammering on this? you're not helping anyone, infact, you're just flamebaiting here
Amon_Re
I'am out of here. : Comment 37 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Jun-2002 19:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Amifan):
It's named after my sister
(Just kidding :) Christiaan doesn't know my sis ^_^)
Amon_Re
I'am out of here. : Comment 38 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 03-Jun-2002 19:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Amon_Re):
Ah, then what's the reason why this thread is still not turned into a flamewar?
But if that's not a solution, then please share your solution with us, it could be helpful in turning ANN into a better place to be.
I'am out of here. : Comment 39 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Robert Dupuy on 03-Jun-2002 19:24 GMT
I suggest, try chatting for a while.
That ought to help you with your thin skin problem.
I'am out of here. : Comment 40 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 03-Jun-2002 20:12 GMT
I agree completely with the comments about not reading what you don't want to. If you're a MorphOs supporter and you're not interested in AmigaOs4 then DON'T READ THE NEWS ITEMS ABOUT AMIGAOS4. The same goes for the AmigaOs supporters who aren't interested in MorphOs.
How about having seperate categories for AmigaOs/MorphOs/Amithlon/AROS etc? You could then ignore the category you don't want and use the "Save Changes" button - then they won't even appear on the main page!
Im completely sick and tired of the immature bitching and mud-slinging that some people (and it is only a few) indulge in - it makes ANN a misery for everyone else; including those supporters who are actually interested in the future of the Amiga and all alternatives rather than just a single "superior" solution. (I put superior in speech marks because most of these products haven't actually been released yet and so cannot be compared!)
Cheers, Ian
I'am out of here. : Comment 41 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Donovan Reeve on 03-Jun-2002 21:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Amifan):
Maybe we could all just agree that when the topic of a thread is AmigaOS,
then we will talk only about AmigaOS and not interupt that thread with
coments about MorphOS or any others. And when the topic is about MorphOS,
then we will only talk about MorphOS. But if the topic is about how AmigaOS
and MorphOS compare to each other, then we will talk about both of them and
those who are only interested in one or the other can keep quiet so that
those who may actually be interested in both may have a civilized discussion
about how they compare. And if the topic is about how reliable the companies
behind each OS are, then we can discuss that also, without mixing it up with
the other discussions. This way, it would soon be easy to see who is really
interested in discussion and learning or teaching something, and who is really
only interested in trolling and causing trouble.
Donovan Reeve (bubby@inebraska.com)
I'am out of here. : Comment 42 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Ferrán García on 03-Jun-2002 22:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Casey R Williams):
@Casey R Williams
>Because if the current community were to get what it deserved, it probably wouldn't be too much at all.
I cannot understand what makes you think that 4 or 5 flamming individuals represent the whole Amiga community.
There are many people reading the news but hardly posting one, because our low level in English language, for example, or any other reasons. And there could be even more not reading ANN news at all. And many, as myself, have been loyal Amiga users for many, many years (I'm user since 1988). Don't we deserve a bright Amiga related future?
@All
Regarding the offending or abusive posts, my method to post anything is:
- Once I have wrote the post, I read it four times:
1. Have I wrote what I wanted to express?
2. Is there any mistake? ;-)
3. Would I like to read or receive a post like this?
4. Is it REALLY interesting or useful enough to post it?
I can assure you that I have deleted or modified many posts after the third reading, even after the fourth.
Perhaps this system is not the best, but it helps to keep things cool.
Saluditos from Spain,
Ferrán.
I'am out of here. : Comment 43 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 03-Jun-2002 23:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Ferrán García):
Christophe, it sounds like you could use a break from the negativity, so you are doing the right thing IMO. As the Beatles sang "life is very short, and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend." You should stick around until Christian finds a replacement though, you can't leave him in the lurch.
Maybe cOrpse will volunteer to replace you. ;)
You should definitely hang in the scene though. Be behind the scenes for a while. If you see MorphOS and think "this is the way" as I do, then you should start building the revolution with the rest of us. Nobody ever said a moderator couldn't have beliefs, only that he must be fair.
The negativity and fighting on this newsgroup is almost always started by the same guys. I am not scared to name the ones I can think of right now, I'll even start with the MorphOS one: cheesegrate. Then there is cOrpse and samface, though those two howl about how innocent they are. I can just hear cOrpse on the phone with DCE with his profanity and attitude like he uses here, then he is so shocked that that company doesn't bend over backwards to satisfy him and his malfunction.
Not to get off on a rant, but the whole troll scene here on ANN just represents the larger MorphOS vs. Amiga question in microcosm. The one side believes "we're the best" and the other side says "you don't even have the right to exist." Except the ANN editor says the MorphOS posters can exist here, and the law in my opinion says MorphOS can exist and be sold. But the other side *just* *can't* *get* *over* *it*.
I hope Christian has a big fat ceremony where he renames this joint "The ALTERNATIVE News Network" and blazes it across the top of the screen. Then maybe they get the message. We could talk about QNX and what-have-you too. It would be fine with me. In the meantime we'll keep building the revolution. This is the way...
I'am out of here. : Comment 44 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Jun-2002 01:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Daniel Miller):
"I can just hear cOrpse on the phone with DCE with his profanity and attitude like he uses here, then he is so shocked that that company doesn't bend over backwards to satisfy him and his malfunction."
I infact have a quality phase 5 reject lol , but every day i hear of another person that has a card at dce :( and then i remember how far away i was from sending mine ( about 2.5cm ).
But this is how the story usually goes :
cOrpse : arh its crashing again :(
misc knowitall : its just you , phase 5 / DCe their gods and your stupid for doubting them!
cOrpse : no seriously , i'm not the only one
another knowitall : fuck off its you , mine works fine !!
cOrpse : *** start using nasty words here ***
non ppc owner : well i love everything they can chuck at me !
cOrpse : *** more nasty words ***
Also i may have this wrong , but it seemed to me at least that the phase 5 signs came down and the morphos / bplan one went up. And the bplan started telling DCE what to do , when it looks like they have no connection at all.
I want to know what going down with that because i want to order a pci bus board but it bplan are telling DCe not to support os 4 its not going to be a grex, i want os4 out of personal choice , just like i use bsd over linux , because i want to ( because i want too ! ) and if people are going to try and get in the way of that questions need to be answered.
And sometimes , just maybe people have to stop taking comments so seriously , i'm someone that tries to make a laugh about everyting , so when i say i want to see these ****ers sink hehe i really mean it in a plop way and not yeah DEath death !! . Or but its pink ! ( mmm monkey island ... ) .
And as the bible says " do on to others like you want to be done apon you" or something like that , its late and i was never very good at RE IIRC i got a e at gcse ;) neways , my first experience of the otherside was having my head crapped on , so its only fair i crap on heads back :P.
We're all monkeys rattling the cage shouting "give us goodies!!"
I'am out of here. : Comment 45 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2002 02:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Amifan):
If there was an easy solution, wouldn't you think they'd implemented it by now? :)
The only real solution i can see is disabling comments completely, but that's quite drastic.
Maybe people will calm when the goods are on the shelves, i certainly hope so
Amon_Re
I'am out of here. : Comment 46 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 04-Jun-2002 04:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Daniel Miller):
Wouldn't that exclude Amiga related news if only the alternatives would be allowed?
Anyway, I think all this is about the Amiga community having a identity chrisis. People are confused and don't really know what is Amiga anymore. To me, Amiga is what we want it to be. However, most people seem to think it's about what we don't want it to be. These people are the kind that are so scared about beeing wrong that they do everything in their power to fight the alternative instead of working for their own cause.
Yes, this applies to myself as well. However, I don't know if you guys have noticed but, I've actually not said that MorphOS or Pegasos are bad products, just that they aren't Amiga products. See the differene?
I'am out of here. : Comment 47 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 04-Jun-2002 06:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Samface):
>I've actually not said that MorphOS or Pegasos are bad products, just that
>they aren't Amiga products. See the differene?
I don't understand how you can say that a piece of software that runs on an Amiga(tm) is not "an amiga product". Morphos runs on amiga hardware. Amirc runs on amiga hardware. Unless you mean: "An amiga product is a product licenced by Amiga Inc".
I'am out of here. : Comment 48 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 04-Jun-2002 06:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anders Kjeldsen):
LinuxPPC runs on the very same Amigas you're thinking about. Is it an Amiga product? If you think it is you simply have a wider scope than Samface and others, such as myself.
I'am out of here. : Comment 49 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 04-Jun-2002 06:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (André Siegel):
"Comment 28
"THen CK should definilty pick a subject then because, the four of them just don't get along."
They would if everyone tried to be more tolerant. It's that simple."
As somebody said, the main thing is to be more thick-skinned. If you
think somebody has insulted you, just ignore it. It can't do you any
harm. There is absolutely no need to protect your "pride" or "honour".
Most likely the "insult" was not intended to be personal anyway.
I'am out of here. : Comment 50 of 156ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 04-Jun-2002 06:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Lennart Fridén):
The kernel and bootstrap are specificly Amiga-related. The LinuxPPC cd's them selves aren't directly Amiga products. But still, the APUS-kernel makes LinuxPPC INTERESTING to a lot of Amiga users.
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