| [News] Next Pegasos production sold out | ANN.lu |
| Posted on 07-Jun-2002 18:19 GMT by Christian Kemp | 280 comments
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"From: Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck. We would like to announce that the next scheduled production of the Pegasos has been sold out. Boards have been set aside for friendly developers, but all others have been sold. Another production of the Pegasos will follow in July." [ Source: Email forward... - CK ]
Update: More information was posted in comment 52.
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| Posted by Lamer on 08-Jun-2002 12:30 GMT | I find it amusing that people would wanna buy anything from anyone associated with DCE....
Why not speak to some of the unfortunate DCE customers still waiting for their PPC boards to be repaired....not that I've had an issue with them - my board produced by DCE still works fine , but damn I wouldn't want it to stuff up and have to send it to that black pitt in Germany ;) |
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| Posted by gz on 08-Jun-2002 12:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 96 (Bill):
I sure hope you have a concent in one form or another before you post that. otherwise it simply is as much out of line as what you say he is doing with his accusations. Also Im not a lawyer but I do however have a feeling that posting a private email to a public forum without concent isn't legal.
and even if it was legal it isn't solving anything and will only widen the FUD war, not to mention about "ethics"
The best way is to ignore any FUD and not let it get personal and most importantly just letting the products deliver thus proving your stand/points better than anything else.
The same goes for hyperion. |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 103 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amifan on 08-Jun-2002 12:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 33 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
What should I try as an amiga user? Try running MorphOS and then drawing the conclusion that you can only run old amiga programs (up to 3.1) and no new Amaiga programs (for OS4 and beyond).
I smell a OS2/Warp situation here...
It was able to run MSDOS programs until MS came along with an new version of MSDOS (MSDOS 7) called windows....So if you want to run new MSDOS programs, then OS2/Warp was kinda useless.....
Now tell me Alkis, I want to be able to run new Amiga Programs programs and not some alien MorphOS binairy, then why should I try MorphOS in the first place anyway.
Are are you suggesting that I (as amiga user) should try another OS. Well in that case, rest asured that there are a lot of other OSes availble which are much more attractive.... |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 104 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by cOrpse on 08-Jun-2002 12:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 100 (Simon):
wouldn't worry about kronos , he's a major mos supporter that fires fud at aos , problem is , he can't really back up his fud becuase he hasn't got a ppc card to run mos on. |
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| Posted by Bill on 08-Jun-2002 12:43 GMT | In reply to Comment 102 (gz):
Hi gz...
No email address...:(
We get viruses too. We just delete them. Send me an email. We can take this offline.
Anyway, read the post again. I ask Ben a question. How about...etc? If he is ready to be upfront so are we....
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As to the legal issues and Ben and FUD -- everytime he says MorphOS is illegal that is FUD. Do you want me to give you a few links? If he is so confident about his claims (are you reading this Ben?), he and Amiga Inc. can seek a legal remedy. If not, no more FUD!
I have to admit I am having fun today!
:)
Bill |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 106 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by JacHermans on 08-Jun-2002 12:45 GMT | Don't forget that there is a diffrence between "sources" and "soucecodes".
The register sheets Ben obtained are definitly a source of information, so what's Ben complaining that he didn't recieve anything from anybody.
Jacob Hermans |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 107 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Simon on 08-Jun-2002 12:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 105 (Bill):
>Do you want me to give you a few links?
You probably should just post the email and give the links, it would save a lot of useless talking on here. |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 108 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Simon on 08-Jun-2002 12:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 106 (JacHermans):
> Don't forget that there is a diffrence between "sources" and "soucecodes".
Yeah, good point.
> The register sheets Ben obtained are definitly a source of information, so what's >Ben complaining that he didn't recieve anything from anybody.
I don't think he's complaining of not receiving 'anything'. Just of not receiving "Cyberstorm PPC "sources".", which a lot of people would take as 'source code'... |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 109 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by amigammc on 08-Jun-2002 12:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 53 (Raquel and Bill):
More of this "friendly developers" bull. If a developer is willing to spend the money to buy a board I don't see how they can be unfriendly. :-/
/me thinks it's just an excuse for discrimination
I do agree on what they say about anonymous posting though :) |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 110 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by cOrpse on 08-Jun-2002 12:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 108 (Simon):
"I don't think he's complaining of not receiving 'anything'. Just of not receiving "Cyberstorm PPC "sources".", which a lot of people would take as 'source code'..."
I think the complaints more about the usefulness of the information , i can't see a sheet of registers being extensively useful but it depends on that was all that got exchanged.
I could be good if the work is based on the APUS sources neways , APUS runs on blizzards ( i think ? never got it to output thru the blizzardvision so gave up ) and gives hope of a bppc version of os4 :) |
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| Posted by Amifan on 08-Jun-2002 12:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 53 (Raquel and Bill):
>Normally, in a situation like this (contract manufacturing) we would not be >able to touch the fabrication machines, but because of the history and the >close working relationship we have with DCE we can do this. This has made the >prototyping much easier.
Erm...I'm an design engineer at a world TOP10 Contract manufacturer in Holland. Maybe it's nice to know that we have our own factory with prototyping facility. And this prototyping division is also available to anyone we haven't done the design for. We have 6 product lines and one "universal" is available for prototyping in larger quantities. As a matter of facts are we running a Siemens ATEA board right now. This board was not desiged by us.
So I guess that DCE got this contract because they "are on your side" by rejecting OS4 for their Microserver (if it ever appears) and for not giving any docs to Hyperion of the GREX, BlizzardPPC and CyberstormPPC.
>It might be a better forum if everyone had the courage to put a real email >address on their postings. Accountability is something most cowards can't >handle and intelligent people who believe in what they are saying do not have >a problem with personal dialogue.
Many people know my email (or ask Alkis for it) and i'm always in for a dialoge, so I invite you to mail me.......
But somehow I get the impression that it's more a "tell us your email and we will see if we can sue you". |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 112 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill on 08-Jun-2002 13:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 109 (amigammc):
Hi!
If you are a developer and you want to work with us to make the eclipsis the most incredible handheld there ever was then send Rakesh Raghoebardayal (one of the Coyote Flux brothers) an email at rakesh@thendic-france.com. If we can figure out a way to use your skills to further the product you are a "friendly developer."
...and you will even be compensated for your good work! No "Bull" !!!
:)
Have to go again...more later!
Bill |
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| Posted by bah on 08-Jun-2002 13:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 88 (anarchic_teapot):
> [I'm] No genius. Merely a competent and hardworking accountant who doesn't
> take every statement at face value.
LOL! But somehow marketing material from Amiga Inc. and whatever conjectures Ben Hermans is spreading in an online forum is to be accepted as absolute unbiased undeniable truth, fit for basing your entire view on the IT industry upon and then being parroted and spread as the Only Gospel?
You are a sickening little person. You are voluntarily being used as a corporate tool and you even seem to be fucking proud of it. I couldn't give a crap about which damn flock of sheep you belong to. A professional M$ astro-turfer would take offence by being compared to you.
Seek help damnit. |
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| Posted by Simon on 08-Jun-2002 13:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 110 (cOrpse):
I'm bored so I'll post again :)
>it depends on that was all that got exchanged.
Yeah. It sounds like all they got was... hang on, searching.... comment 71, "some rather useless pages (2 or 3)" Haha, go on Ben, tell it how it is!
>gives hope of a bppc version of os4 :)
Have hope. Hyperion will obviously do everything they can to make it work on BlizzardPPC, it only means more sales for them. |
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| Posted by feh on 08-Jun-2002 13:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 114 (bah):
btw, that was for annoying_crackpot. forgot the attribution. |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 117 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by AmiTroll on 08-Jun-2002 13:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 86 (kjetil):
>PS. About names like AmiTroll and cOrpse and so on. I really think name like that is silly as we do not know how we are taking with
I can understand that. You want to put an identity to the name. I switched my name for two reasons; 1) I was being spammed with virus infected emails. 2) You have to admit the name is funny. At least unique. :). Why the interest in my real name, my address, the color of my socks? (this isnt directed at you personally Kjetil) It makes no difference if i'm Bill Gates or a 120 year old monk from the mountians of Tibet. I post here under the same name and thats all anyone need identify me with. I give my two cents and some people get scared. Start a witch hunt, someone has an opinion i dont like. Hard cheese my friend. :) Sorry if it bothers anyone but, i still see the same people spreading the same garbage and stiring up the same old cr*p. I speak my opinions, judge me on that. If i'm wrong prove it and i'll be the first to admit it, but i dont need script kiddies spamming me for kicks. And i certainly don't need roumermongers and liars, who are fearfull of my opinions telling me that what i say has no relevence simply because they can't get my address. If you can't take my comments without haveing to know who i am then you only want my real identity so you can attack me personally and not address what i have to say or ask. So sorry, i won't be posting my real email address for the likes of them. Don't like it? Good. :)
Just like Bill from comment 76:
>Hi Rob,
>How about an email address?
What for? His questions are valid. Yes people use "Anonymous" to spread garbage with. Everyone knows me and Rob as well. I see no need for either of us to post real email addresses.
GRUNT |
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| Posted by Simon on 08-Jun-2002 13:10 GMT | In reply to Comment 113 (Anonymous):
Oh yeah, also in comment 63:
" We have the Motorola XPC7455RX1000SC and the XPC7445RX867LC now and are in the process of achieving PCB verification. Motorola is also assisting us in getting samples of the XPC7455RX867P."
74xx's are G4's I think? Can someone translate these model numbers into laymens terms? |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 119 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by AmiTroll on 08-Jun-2002 13:10 GMT | In reply to Comment 97 (Amifan):
>You probably ment AmiTroll instead of Amifan........
Take it as a compliment. Really. :)
GRUNT |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 120 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amifan on 08-Jun-2002 13:10 GMT | In reply to Comment 71 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Nice to see that bPlan can now produce motherboards without using >Northbridges.
Well, Ben they claimed that they have shipped the boards, they didn't claim that it are fully functional boards ;-). Their shipment included a small note that their northbridge will be send afterwards. It also had a small note that they shouldn't try to solder the northbridge with a normal soldier iron *grin*
>And BTW: we NEVER got the Cyberstorm PPC "sources".
>What we got were some rather useless pages (2 or 3) describing the >Cyberstorm's registers, something even H&P seemed to have had for ages.
>All work on the Cyberstorm PPC was done using the BSD and LinuxAPUS source->code.
Ai ai now that must have hurt Billy Buck...He should have known by now that you read ANN too, so that posting such lies is quite useless...
No wonder that "they" (everyone surrounding the pegasos) don't want to get an AOS4 licence because in order to get one, you'll have to be trustworthy.
Bill and Raquel just proved the opposite.... |
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| Posted by cOrpse on 08-Jun-2002 13:11 GMT | In reply to Comment 115 (Simon):
"Have hope. Hyperion will obviously do everything they can to make it work on BlizzardPPC, it only means more sales for them."
I used to have hope , but my ppc card sux arse , it works for 2 days , i get all excited and think its finally sorted itself out , then i enlarge a window and it goes down smoking yet again and doesn't boot up :( , don't even say the word compile next to it lol, I'm considering sticking my viper 030 28mhz back in there jsut to keep it running but the card only takes 8 meg :( |
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| Posted by gz on 08-Jun-2002 13:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 105 (Bill):
>Hi gz...
Hi :)
>No email address...:(
Well there it is now...
>Anyway, read the post again. I ask Ben a question. How about...etc? If he is ready to be upfront so are we....
That's what I meant when I said "I sure hope you have a concent in ONE FORM OR ANOTHER before you post" If he's ready to be open enough to say it's ok, then GREAT :) Anyway I think he is just nitpicking words (maybe you both are) as it seems to me it's all about the same subject with different wording.
One thing makes me curious though... Ben is saying he knows exactly what they got and even in what form they were in (A4) yet he is uncertain of how many pages there were (2-3... Or perhaps even more!?!?) One would think he would know this if he so thoroughly has looked into them.
Anyway now Im acting like a pissy granny nitpicking everything so Im gonna stop right here. I don't want to or even can't point fingers at any party as I have no inside information and there is no way for me to verify what might be biased or untrue and whatnot.
>As to the legal issues and Ben and FUD -- everytime he says MorphOS is illegal that is FUD. >Do you want me to give you a few links? If he is so confident about his claims (are you reading this Ben?), he and Amiga Inc. can seek a legal remedy. If not, no more FUD!
WOW! Hold the phone... There is a misunderstanding here. I never mean't to say anything about who's spreading what. My point was to remain neutral (which still is my goal) I just mean't that it's best not to get involved in fud fights if that's what you think is the case here. Just as you said, if they got a problem which they wan't to prove... They can take it to court, which is the only place where things can be verified for both parties.
Anyway could also be that I misunderstood something :) wouldn't be the first time. I must stress that Im not accusing anyone of anything here. Just trying to cool things down so that this wouldn't blow up to be over 600+ post thread between hyperion and thendic with all sorts of accusations flying, leaving us ignorant ppl in the middle without a clue who's more right than the other.
At the end of the day it'll only harm the public image of both companies.
>I have to admit I am having fun today!
GREAT! I hope your day will remain fun :) |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 123 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bearded, smelly GNU hippy on 08-Jun-2002 13:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 91 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> OS 4 for the Cyberstorm PPC is being developed using the BSD and LinuxAPUS
> source-code as a reference for the hardware.
We must stop those evil companies who look at the source code of others! Hah!
So, we'll have GNU/AmigaOS4 for closed standard old Amigas then? :) And a commercial OS for new open standard hardware?
And the open standard hardware will be closed. Man, you people play confusing games. |
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| Posted by Simon on 08-Jun-2002 13:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 122 (gz):
>Ben is saying he knows exactly what they got and even in what form they were in >(A4) yet he is uncertain of how many pages there were (2-3... Or perhaps even >more!?!?) One would think he would know this if he so thoroughly has looked into >them.
Well, I'm feeling imaginative, so I'll venture a few possabilities in case Ben doen't get back with the truth.
a) he's not a programmer and they may have meant bugger all to him, hence not being sure...
b) it may have been a long time ago... I'm not sure remembering the exact number of pages in every document you see is easy.
c) Ben can't count :) |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 125 of 280 | ANN.lu |
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| Posted by Amifan on 08-Jun-2002 13:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 105 (Bill):
Then you have to release it first don't you think? |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 127 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill on 08-Jun-2002 13:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 120 (Amifan):
For the record...
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Hi!
The purpose of the email is to have an exchange without the whole world
involved. That is all. We have had good exchanges with Rob. Ask him.
And, many others!
What you just posted was really off-base. All the Pegasos machines we
have shipped and the mainboards we will ship this week have
Northbridges. I ask you how anyone would know this? Did Mai tell him? I
think not as we speak to them nearly three or four times a week. More FUD!
Come on Grunt/Amitroll if you have an issue ask us directly!
Sincerely,
R&B
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OK, this time I am really out of here!
Be back later!
Bill |
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| Posted by Amifan on 08-Jun-2002 13:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 119 (AmiTroll):
>Take it as a compliment. Really. :)
I guess so, this guy's thinking of me while replying to a different person.
I wonder what he's thinking of while lying on top of his gir......erm...on a second thought...I don't want to know that ;-) |
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| Posted by Daniel Miller on 08-Jun-2002 13:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 81 (Raquel and Bill):
Bill and Raquel typed:
>> We do not have anything against Amiga Inc. or Hyperion. We tried
>> to work with them. Contrary to what they have stated, MorphOS is
>> not derived from illegally obtained source code. A legal process
>> will demonstrate this falsehood. If they have not started this
>> process already does it not make you pause and think? If they
>> don't do it then we may anyway just to keep them from spreading
>> opinions and conjecture as fact.
>> We do not need anything from Amiga Inc. The version of MorphOS
>> that runs natively on a PPC does not need Amiga OS anything...
Bill and Raquel, I must say that this is music to my ears! In recent times it has been hard to stand by and hear these false accusations by Fleecy Moss and Ben Hermans against MorphOS' legality. My belief is that MorphOS has always been a legal undertaking, that Ralph Schmidt and the other MorphOS developers are fundamentally honest and respectable people, and that the MorphOS community is in fact made up of honest people who see this as the way forge ahead into the future with a great system with limitless potential.
I call on Moss and Hermans to start giving SPECIFICS if they continue, give some specifics in their accusations. What MorphOS part is based on what of your IP, what law is being violated? Who bludgeoned Colonel Mustard in the study with the candlestick?! No more FUD Fleecy and Ben! Put up or shut up! |
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| Posted by Amifan on 08-Jun-2002 13:41 GMT | In reply to Comment 121 (cOrpse):
>I used to have hope , but my ppc card sux arse , it works for 2 days , i get >all excited and think its finally sorted itself out , then i enlarge a window >and it goes down smoking yet again and doesn't boot up :( , don't even say the >word compile next to it lol, I'm considering sticking my viper 030 28mhz back >in there jsut to keep it running but the card only takes 8 meg :(
I guess i'm more lucky then you then :-) Mine does boot, but when I power it down and then turn it on again then the booting sequence doesn't get past the black screen....So then there are only two option left:
1) Turn of the computer and wait an hour before turning it on again (could be an indication of a heat problem).
2) Push the reset button a hundred times. (which indicates that there's some kind of reset problem, the wait-an-hour solution is then just a "wait until all capacities are fully discharched"). |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jun-2002 13:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 120 (Amifan):
>Well, Ben they claimed that they have shipped the boards, they didn't claim that it are fully functional boards ;-).
>Their shipment included a small note that their northbridge will be send afterwards.
>It also had a small note that they shouldn't try to solder the northbridge with a normal soldier iron *grin*
I think they just need a bit more time to implement the OS protection code into the northbridge... |
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| Posted by Amifan on 08-Jun-2002 13:54 GMT | In reply to Comment 127 (Bill):
>For the record...
Are you aware that you just replied my post? It' Amifan A-M-I-F-A-N. NOT AmiTroll.
>Hi. This is the qmail-send program at zola.noos.net.
Sigh...Dutch email adress mostly end with .nl :-)
>:
>Sorry, I couldn't find any host named dev.nil. (#5.1.2)
LOL! Now let me get this straigth...You really wanted to send an E-MAIL to anyone?, then why the .nil?
>Hi!
>
>The purpose of the email is to have an exchange without the whole world
>involved. That is all. We have had good exchanges with Rob. Ask him.
>And, many others!
>
>What you just posted was really off-base. All the Pegasos machines we
>have shipped and the mainboards we will ship this week have
>Northbridges. I ask you how anyone would know this? Did Mai tell him? I
>think not as we speak to them nearly three or four times a week. More FUD!
>
>Come on Grunt/Amitroll if you have an issue ask us directly!
OK, it seems to me that this E-MAIL was directed towards my posting so i'll send you an EMAIL then with some nice question and be prepared NOT to hide behind contracts, compagny policies etc...
bbrv@noos.fr right? |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jun-2002 13:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 129 (Daniel Miller):
>I call on Moss and Hermans to start giving SPECIFICS if they continue,
>give some specifics in their accusations. What MorphOS part is based
>on what of your IP, what law is being violated?
Two words - "parasitic marketing" *lol* |
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| Posted by AmiTroll on 08-Jun-2002 14:07 GMT | In reply to Comment 127 (Bill):
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>Sorry, I couldn't find any host named dev.nil. (#5.1.2)
As it should be.
>Hi!
>The purpose of the email is to have an exchange without the whole world
>involved. That is all. We have had good exchanges with Rob. Ask him.
>And, many others!
Glad for you and Rob. I still won't post my email address here for anyone. As you said before, even you get viruses via email. I don't want any and i wont post an address, simple as that. If that offends you i can't be faulted for protecting myself.
>What you just posted was really off-base. All the Pegasos machines we
>have shipped and the mainboards we will ship this week have
>Northbridges. I ask you how anyone would know this? Did Mai tell him? I
>think not as we speak to them nearly three or four times a week. More FUD!
I havent said anything about what you have or have not shipped and just as much about the northbridge chips. You must have misread the thread and got me confused with Amifan. He mentions the chips in post 120, not me.
>Come on Grunt/Amitroll if you have an issue ask us directly!
No need to get hostile. All i said is i won't post my email address here. If i have an issue, believe me, i'll speak up. :)
But since i have your attention... :)
Your a hardware salesman and i'm a potential customer. If you can offer me a Pegasos that will run AOS4 i'll buy one.(dont make any inferences about MOS here) If not, i'll go elsewhere. Simple issue really. So exactly how many options are there for Pegasos running AOS4? Hyperion claims the work can be done to bring the OS to the board. All that is needed is someone to throw the CD and USB token in the shrink wrapper with the board. Dosent matter to me if it's some company in the USA, if its you, or the old guy from the mountains of Tibet. Who's willing and capeable of doing it?
GRUNT |
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| Posted by cOrpse on 08-Jun-2002 14:09 GMT | Recent events, Happenings and situations.
I’m writing this partly as a favour but also as an Ann antacid before things get too out of hand.
Recently I posted a comment on Ann that I regret, and at the news of Christophe taking a step back from Ann I put my e-mail with the post so we could sort the issue out. I hope I have sorted the issue and there are no hard feelings about it, If anyone else was insulted I’m deeply sorry to you too, It was said in the heat of moment like many of my past comments on Ann and carries no substance.
Anyway back to the main subject, at the same time as posted I received an e-mail from Bill Buck himself. The first e-mail was quite unfriendly I’ll say, and basically described how my comments have been hurtful over the past. In my reply I explained my reasons and apologised for the for-mentioned stupid comment of mine. At this point things turned around. Bill and I, I’d like to think have discussed the over hanging issues and the path amiga is taking at this current moment. I also hope I have brought to Bill’s attention some of the issues and concerns we have.
The main thing that has arisen from our exchange is the different path the two Amiga teams if you will, are taking. This is really general knowledge, but maybe not generally accepted.
I did also ask in one of the mails if there was any possibility of helping Hyperion and indirectly the amiga community by supplying some PPC card documents etc. Bills reply was that they have given such documents on the Cyberstorm and that they were gratefully accepted, And before anyone snipes me down and has a flame war at me, of course I don’t have any evidence of such an exchange, But I do know Bill has been willing to discuss / help with some of the amiga issues I currently have which I’m very thankful for. I’m not judging who’s right or wrong here, both have their merits.
I respect Ben and Hyperion for their high quality and genuine interest in keeping AmigaOS alive, and contrary to popular belief I respect the MorphOS team and Bplan for what they’re trying to do, even if I don’t think its necessarily the direction for me.
My point being before we go having a massive argument at Bill or Ben we have to consider their both good chaps really and trying to do something even if you don’t consider their way your way. If one of them thinks they helped and the other didn’t should not end up in people posting hate, but constructive points on both sides of the situation.
Anyways , I’m hopefully going out to get drunk and rave it up soon , so I’ll see you all later :). |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 137 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Mekanix on 08-Jun-2002 14:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 100 (Simon):
> Point me to a post on ANN where you think Ben has
> spread FUD and I'll happily argue with you about it.
Whenever have Ben *not* been spreading FUD?
But let's just give you something to work with.
Case 1) MOS-Team are a bunch of thieves.
For how many years now have Ben been telling us how the MOS-team have been using stolen source-code? But in all that time never once have I, you, a judge or anyone else seen any hint of evidence to back up that claim.
You don't think that's FUD?
Case 2) The killing of the x86-initiative.
Using flawed argument like stupid business-decisions at Be and his own failure of selling his vintage-games to people, who stopped playing the same game years ago (the Linux-crowd) he "proves" that x86 is the death of any OS. Totally ignoring that there are many OS' doing just nice on the x86. FUD FUD FUD.
Case 2b) The killing of the x86-initiative - the personal attack.
Anyone using x86 are incapable of booting anything but Windows. Ben have conjured up this silly notion that somehow the x86 sends out some strange voodoo-vibes that will lure anyone to boot Windows.
Clear case of FUD... but if you're still believing in Bens gospell, well, just ask any Amithlon-user how often he boots Windows.
Case 3) The licensing-scheme - "If onlye we could force everyone to buy a copy".
Do you believe that Ben will be the first in the world addressing piracy with success? No? Nor do I and nor do Ben. This licensingscheme has no intention of avoiding piracy, but just making sure everyone buys a copy, whether they want to or not.
The piracyspeeches... just plain FUD... or more corectly: a smokescreen.
Do you want more? |
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| Posted by Simon on 08-Jun-2002 14:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 137 (Mekanix):
I said: "Point me to a post on ANN where you think Ben has
> spread FUD and I'll happily argue with you about it. "
What part of that didn't you understand? I mean - Give me a post that he has made HERE on ANN that I can look up and argue with point by point. I didn't say 'please tell me why you dislike Mr Hermans'.
If those are your feeling then FINE. But fuck, I did make myself pretty clear. |
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| Posted by galja gobba, nam nam on 08-Jun-2002 14:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 133 (Anonymous):
>Two words - "parasitic marketing" *lol*
Thinking it's coming from Amiga Inc. It's a wonder they don't call it "Exciting marketing" ;) Well... for one thing I don't have any excuses for and that's the nausea caused by reading "Mc.Donalds" executive updates. I just can't hide it.
The fake joy and positivity is like an overload of sugar for me (yukky)
Just snippets of words taken from feb 22 update shows how mc.even just seems to love sitting infront of his notepad with a dictionary on his other hand, inserting all the positive words he can find from there into one exec.update.
"excitement
excitement
instrumental
successes
great plans
amazing
exciting
excited
great
proud
great rewards"
And that was just some... Whew... all in one exec update. He sure must be an exciting guy having a exciting life.
Sorry everyone... But for this I'm totally ready to be flamed for ;) I just can't stand his way of overly hyping up things. It's like a third grade student learning to do PR announcements and thinking that if he can put enough positive words in a phrase, ppl will forget the content and just feel generally positive and "excited" about it even if it was saying "your FIRED!" |
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| Posted by AmiTroll on 08-Jun-2002 14:41 GMT | In reply to Comment 137 (Mekanix):
>Do you believe that Ben will be the first in the world addressing piracy with success? No? Nor do I and nor do Ben. This licensingscheme has no intention of avoiding piracy, but just making sure everyone buys a copy, whether they want to or not.
I wont reply to your first two points because its all conjecture. But, i dont know how Ben is going to force people buying a LinuxOne to buy AmigaOS as well. It wont run on a LinuxOne. Oh, unless you want to pirate the OS. Then i must admit you have a problem. The simple truth is, if you dont want it, your not forced to buy it and you CANT run it any other way than paying for it. Hard luck. Stop trolling, thats my job. :)
GRUNT |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 141 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by anonymous on 08-Jun-2002 15:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 68 (Raquel and Bill):
"What we think of OS4 is irrelevant and has nothing to do with our business. We sell the Pegasos mainboard."
According to earlier comments you're attempting to gauge interest in the hardware to determine demand for production runs. If consumers continue to express interest in OS4 compatibility that may indeed prove to be relevant. |
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| Posted by oops on 08-Jun-2002 15:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 135 (AmiTroll):
[MAIL ADDRESS REMOVED BY CK ON REQUEST]
GRUNT |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 143 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by anonymous on 08-Jun-2002 15:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 81 (Raquel and Bill):
"Why don't we keep things straight!"
Please do. Quite frankly, few of us are interested in sniping between any parties that have a vested interest in the outcome.
Regardless of the acronym this forum is unquestionably devoted to members of the Amiga community. Those members have expressed interest in your products and have asked for a definitive response to a very simple question: what do *you* intend to do make it possible for those of us who wish to purchase a Pegasos to run OS4? No deflection of responsibility, just a candid response will do.
Help us to help you. |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 144 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 08-Jun-2002 15:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 141 (anonymous):
I'm not sure if Thendic is calling the shots when it's about Pegasos' compability with AmigaOS4. |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 145 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill on 08-Jun-2002 16:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 143 (anonymous):
Hi to another Mr. Anonymus...:(
Candid response:
We sell the Pegasos mainboard. Please speak to your preferred reseller about how you want this to be configured and then buy one from him.
You want to load OS4 you are now free to figure out how to do this. That is up to you -- not us!
Is that OK?
Raquel says it is enough for today. I will stop in tomorrow. Thanks for all the feedback here and directly via email! We appreciate it!
Regards,
Bill |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 146 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by anonymous on 08-Jun-2002 16:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 144 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Given the incestuous business relationship I really have my doubts. If Thendic doesn't do any direct marketing and distribution why are they actively promoting the hardware here in the first place. |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 147 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by anonymous on 08-Jun-2002 17:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 145 (Bill):
"We sell the Pegasos mainboard. Please speak to your preferred reseller about how you want this to be configured and then buy one from him. You want to load OS4 you are now free to figure out how to do this. That is up to you -- not us!
Is that OK?"
I'll take that last quip as a rhetorical question, but the answer is 'No.'
It's up to *me* to find someone to sell me this board? In the first place 'preferred reseller' is an oxymoron in this market and secondly if Thendic can't direct consumers to resellers why are you promoting the hardware in the first place? Is a user's guide bundled with the hardware or do I need to write that too?
More importantly 'loading' OS4 is not the issue here - it's the ability to run a sanctioned, legitimate copy of the operating system that has been certified by the developers of both the hardware and the software.
I'm trying to remain interested in making an investment here but you're obviously not interested in taking my money. Who exactly is the target market for the Pegasos? |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 148 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Björn Hagström on 08-Jun-2002 17:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 147 (anonymous):
"Who exactly is the target market for the Pegasos?"
The Amiga user base. Though not by name.
/Björn |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 149 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 08-Jun-2002 17:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 148 (Björn Hagström):
More than the Amiga user base, I think. |
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| Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 150 of 280 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 08-Jun-2002 17:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 146 (anonymous):
>Given the incestuous business relationship I really have my doubts. If Thendic
>doesn't do any direct marketing and distribution why are they actively
>promoting the hardware here in the first place.
I meant: I don't think Thendic are the ones to decide what OS'es will be allowed on Pegasos. I believe that's Bplan's decision. (I guess any OS could run on it without their "permission", but not neccesarily with their help :) ) |
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