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Posted on 07-Jun-2002 18:19 GMT by Christian Kemp280 comments
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"From: Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck. We would like to announce that the next scheduled production of the Pegasos has been sold out. Boards have been set aside for friendly developers, but all others have been sold. Another production of the Pegasos will follow in July." [ Source: Email forward... - CK ]

Update: More information was posted in comment 52.

Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 51 of 280ANN.lu
Posted by hgm on 08-Jun-2002 05:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (sh33p):
< They probably made 50 of the stupid things. Easy to sell out then. Just a bunch of crap propaganda imho.....>
Sure it is propaganda ... and it MUST be crap iyho. But it worked and it is not BLAHBLAHBLAH (we are excited) . However I am also curious where the MOS
concept is to be sold.
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Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 08-Jun-2002 05:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Kronos):
>Sorry but when did bPlan (MorphOS) say that the wouldn't like OS4 on their
>board ?
November 2001.
Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 53 of 280ANN.lu
Posted by Raquel and Bill on 08-Jun-2002 05:42 GMT
That is correct! The next scheduled production run is for 50 boards. In July we will produce up to 500. This is what we have ordered/budgeted for components. The final amount will depend on demand and if all our component orders can be fulfilled. To date complete machines have been configured for the bplan/MorphOS/Thendic development team. We have also configured a small number of machines for a special shipment to an *outside* development group in the US. These computers were shipped prior to 1 June.
What we are selling *commercially* is the mainboard with the IBM G3 PPC indicated on our websites. This mainboard will be configured by resellers and packaged by them to meet the demands of their customers. At this point, neither Thendic nor bplan will configure complete machines for commercial release. For customers, the latest version of MorphOS will be available online as it is today and it will work on the machine. Of course, the MorphOS team will continue to enhance the features and flexibility of the OS and there will be new releases. We hope this will process will continue in the normal course of business for some time. Yellow Dog Linux can also be installed on the Pegasos, as well as other Linux PPC based operating systems -- they work too.
In the beginning, Wozniak and Jobs made 200 mainboards in the garage of Steve's parents. That is how Apple started. They sold the boards to friends and academics. Our situation is somewhat better...:) The bplan team will use the production facilities of DCE and will produce the boards and operate the fabrication machines themselves (which in our opinion is a great indication of their significant engineering skills). Normally, in a situation like this (contract manufacturing) we would not be able to touch the fabrication machines, but because of the history and the close working relationship we have with DCE we can do this. This has made the prototyping much easier.
When the market takes off -- we hope -- we will have the solid engineering and documentation necessary to shop for a larger volume production facility. Realistically, this is probably some time away from where we are now and will depend on markets that have nothing to do with this forum. Remember, for us the Pegasos is a development machine. Please reference http://www.thendic-france.com/Tech/FR/Produits/eclipsis/eclipsis.htm (French) or http://www.thendic-france.com/Tech/US/Products/Eclipsis/eclipsis.htm (English). Please forgive us for not having the German, Spanish and Italian versions published. We have just been too busy!
As announced, this next production of boards has been sold out. Some of these boards will go to friendly developers, but none of these boards have been ordered by the traditional "Amiga" resellers. They did not order any. All these boards have been ordered and a payment has been made from organizations that are Linux oriented. Again, more boards will be produced in July.
We hope this clears up any confusion. We hope the accusations of "propaganda" can now be fully ignored.
Email us if you have questions. Those that have know we will write back.
Lastly, we would like to thank Christophe for his efforts on this board. He has wrongly been chastised lately. Having said that, we would even like to thank cOrpse and Samface for becoming a little bit more moderate...:) It might be a better forum if everyone had the courage to put a real email address on their postings. Accountability is something most cowards can't handle and intelligent people who believe in what they are saying do not have a problem with personal dialogue.
Best regards,
Raquel and Bill
P.S. For those that keep asking... Raquel runs XP. It works quite well, but she has a very special machine. I run YDL or OS X on my PowerBook G4. YDL comes with three web browsers, but Mozilla seems to work the best for me. Both are laptops.
Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 54 of 280ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 08-Jun-2002 05:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (cOrpse):
"Every os has unix like roots"
Not true.
Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 55 of 280ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 08-Jun-2002 05:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Raquel and Bill):
>As announced, this next production of boards has been sold out. Some of these
>boards will go to friendly developers, but none of these boards have been
>ordered by the traditional "Amiga" resellers. They did not order any. All
>these boards have been ordered and a payment has been made from organizations
>that are Linux oriented. Again, more boards will be produced in July.
I feared they would say something like this. So, to me, this announcement means nothing.
Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 56 of 280ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 08-Jun-2002 06:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
He does not need to prove that this is the view of AInc/Hyperion. They (AInc/Hyperion) have said that that is what their view is for quite some time.
/Björn
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Posted by Turrican on 08-Jun-2002 06:31 GMT
Dear Amigans,
one more time if you believe what has been told by some "VIP" of the Amiga "market" you will be fooled.
Except for one little board sent to a US software developper (someone well known by the way) no Pegasos has been delivered to any retailer or company.
Concerning Morphos, it has not yet reached the stage where its developer give the green light for distribution.
Once again, Amigans, you are being fooled by announces, lies and doutbful statements.
We are in June, still no OS 4, no Pegasos, no AmigaOne and only a Morphos running on PPC equipped Amiga. This situation will go on a few months more concerning Pegasos/Morphos and maybe one more year concerning AmigaOne/OS4 availability.
Once again, there will be voices against Turrican, saying it is the liar, saying it doesn't know anything.
But Turrican will go on. And smiling. Because Turrican knows time will prove he's right.
Your avenger,
Turrican
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Posted by Bill on 08-Jun-2002 06:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Turrican):
Hi Turrican, the Avenger!
When you get out from under your bed give us an email address...:)
You are welcome to visit our offices in France, Germany, or the USA.
We are looking for people with real computer skills.
We are happy to have a personal dialogue with you. Can you handle it?
Best regards!
:)
Bill
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Posted by Senex (Martin Heine) on 08-Jun-2002 06:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Raquel and Bill):
Dear Raquel and Bill,
how about alternative CPU-boards? Will different boards (especially with faster G3s) be produced already together with the July production run of the mainboard? If not, when can we expect those?
Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 60 of 280ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 08-Jun-2002 06:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I have used MorphOS. On my system its more unstable than Mike Tyson.
Thats not to say it doesn't run well on other people's systems.
I think that technically the Pegasos is very good hardware, probably
better than A1-G3-SE.
I think that the MorphOS programmers are talented people, however they
didn't get the licence to do AOS.
PowerUP and Morph both use the .ELF format for executables, it is more
difficult to port native amiga code to this format.
Sorry to be troll baiting.
Some people take life too seriously.
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Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 08-Jun-2002 06:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Rob):
Too bad, AmigaOS4 uses ELF too.
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Posted by anarchic_teapot on 08-Jun-2002 06:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (redrumloa):
redrumloa wrote:
> minus 2 zeros I'm sure. 500 MOS friendly developers? BAAH
The figure I was quoted last week by Thendic themselves was a production run of 50.
I notice that the text posted by Christian implies that not all boards were for developers. If the bulk were 'sold' to the parent company in the US (the one with the huge debts and negative equity), then this is indeed prime quality BS.
I hope not, for bPlan's sake.
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Posted by Raquel and Bill on 08-Jun-2002 07:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Senex (Martin Heine)):
Hi Martin,
We have the Motorola XPC7455RX1000SC and the XPC7445RX867LC now and are in the process of achieving PCB verification. Motorola is also assisting us in getting samples of the XPC7455RX867P.
We have others and have tested them. We are working on it. Gerald and Thomas are very good, but there are many other things to do now too. Power consumption is our primary focus. All the machines are FAST.
Thanks for your interest!
Raquel and Bill
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Posted by Rob on 08-Jun-2002 07:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Nicolas Sallin):
>Too bad, AmigaOS4 uses ELF too.
You have inside informataion?
Is this because of GCC?
What happens if you use StormC when you get OS4?
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Posted by Rob on 08-Jun-2002 07:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Raquel and Bill):
Just one question Bill.
What is your personal opinion of AmigaOS4.
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Posted by Bill on 08-Jun-2002 07:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (anarchic_teapot):
Hi Rose/Miss Teapot,
As you persist and claim to be an accountant with a certain amount of incumbent responsibility, why don't you contact our auditors here in France. I will send you the email of the lead auditor privately and you can get the *correct* information.
Also, try reading Post #53 again. You misread it apparently. Nothing we told you privately contradicts this post.
Sincerely,
Bill
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 08-Jun-2002 07:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Raquel and Bill):
"All the machines are FAST"
Interresting, then get OS4 to run on it and even more people might get interrested in the hardware.
/Björn
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Posted by Raquel and Bill on 08-Jun-2002 07:21 GMT
Re: OS4
We have supported the OS4 development. Ben will admit that we provided him with the CyberStorm PPC sources so that he and his team could really get to work.
OS4 is the property of Amiga Inc. Hyperion is managing the development process. What we think of OS4 is irrelevant and has nothing to do with our business. We sell the Pegasos mainboard.
Simple...:)
R&B
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Posted by Kronos on 08-Jun-2002 07:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Rob):
OS4 will be using ELF and this has been written by Ben H.
right here on ann.lu.
Shortly before he vanished from public Thomas Frieden wrote
on the OS4 (or was it A1 ?)-maillist that the current version
of StormC won't be able to produce 100% native OS4-apps.
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Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 08-Jun-2002 07:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Rob):
That's not inside information.
T or HJ Frieden told it somewhere (csag?) some months ago.
Why using ELF ? Because it exists good tools for it, it's powerfull
and you can change/extend it as you want.
And it loads faster than hunk format.
And you can use it to implement dynamic binding, like ExecSG is
intended to do.
Well, everything ppc.library does since last century, in fact :-)
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 08-Jun-2002 07:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Nicolas Sallin):
Nice to see that bPlan can now produce motherboards without using Northbridges.
And BTW: we NEVER got the Cyberstorm PPC "sources".
What we got were some rather useless pages (2 or 3) describing the Cyberstorm's registers, something even H&P seemed to have had for ages.
All work on the Cyberstorm PPC was done using the BSD and LinuxAPUS source-code.
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Posted by Rob on 08-Jun-2002 07:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Raquel and Bill):
RE OS4
Hi Bill,
If OS4 is irrelevant why to your business why are you are you
promoting your products on Amiga sites and supporting an OS which will
run Amiga apps.
Surely it was your interest in Amiga that got you working together
with Bplan in the first place.
I'm not trying to criticise you. Its just that I can be a bit awkward
at times :)
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Posted by Rob on 08-Jun-2002 07:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Nicolas Sallin):
Okay perhaps some of my information is a little outdated, perhaps no
longer relevant. I guess Hyperion know what they are doing (every
product a winner so far; in my book at least).
I guess I was up a bit late last night. The discussion seems to be a
little more intelligent on here at the moment
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Posted by Bill on 08-Jun-2002 07:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Hi Ben,
Really!?
We made a very sincere attempt to assist you. That is why you visited us in Paris. You know very well what we did to assist you.
Bill
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Posted by Rob on 08-Jun-2002 07:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Hi Ben,
You certainly didn't get Blizzard sources either.
BTW. do you know if Mr Haage's company will develope for OS4 or are
they only interested in Amithlon now.
I patiently await your next amazing product.
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Posted by Bill on 08-Jun-2002 08:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Rob):
Hi Rob,
How about an email address?
Whatever OS4 is or becomes *is* irrelevant to our business -- at least directly. We sell mainboards to resellers. Understand?
In the meanwhile, what is "amiga?"
Is not something owned by anyone. Yes, there is a company that has licensed intellectual property from Gateway and that same company does own a related operating system. But again, what is amiga?
Further, the moderator of this site has made it clear what this sit is and is not. The "A" in ANN has meant something else for a while.
I will camp here for a little while and try to answer any questions....
Sincerely,
Bill
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Posted by Simon on 08-Jun-2002 08:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Bill):
> In the meanwhile, what is "amiga?"
>Is not something owned by anyone.
Well, that might be your opinion. A sane person would probably be able to see that Amiga Inc owns 'amiga'. You might be talking about some etheral 'amiga spirit' if such a thing still exists. And I suppose that belongs to bPlan and yourself?
>Yes, there is a company that has licensed intellectual property from Gateway and >that same company does own a related operating system
Liscenced or bought? I wish someone who actually knows would come forth with the details of exactly what Bill and Fleecy bought.
And... licensed?, owned?, 'related operating system'? (Amiga OS I suppose if only 'related' to the Amiga?). 'A company'? It's called Amiga Inc... So much flame bait in one sentence. Well done!
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Posted by anarchic_teapot on 08-Jun-2002 08:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Bill):
Someone from Thendic-France wrote:
> As you persist and claim to be an accountant with a certain amount of
> incumbent responsibility, why don't you contact our auditors here in France
LOL! Maybe I'd better contact your parent company's EX-auditors in the US?
Of course, company reports are public documents, so why don't you publish your own accounts, complete with auditors' report, on - say - your website while we wait for Infogreffe to update their info?
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Posted by Bill on 08-Jun-2002 08:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (anarchic_teapot):
That is great Rose!
You're a genius and now everyone knows.
Why don't you futher impress yourself by reading all the 8Ks...;)
I wish I knew where you were coming from!? As a charter accountant you should behave more responsibly!
Bad girl!
:)
Bill
P.S. Mazars in the US was sold and the partners were fired. Mazars in France *never* had a problem. Why don't you call them too!
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Posted by Rob on 08-Jun-2002 08:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Bill):
Hi Bill,
I've alreadry chosen OS4 as the basis of my next system. I would of
ordered a Pegasos if I thought OS4 would run on it.
Maybe I like the "Official Badge" but I also know that the OS4 team
are all very talented people and I am condfident that their product
will meet my expectations.
To be honest I wish the OS4 team and the Morph team were working on
the same product. Sadly this will probably never happen.
I hate this split as much as the one in 1995. It only hurts the
community more. I wish there wasn't all this infighting.
I do admire the fact that your trying to push things forward. I just
wish we were all going in the same direction.
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Posted by Raquel and Bill on 08-Jun-2002 09:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Rob):
Hi Rob,
We appreciated the email exchange. Thanks. We will post some of the contents of our last email message to you here:
We do not have anything against Amiga Inc. or Hyperion. We tried to work with them. Contrary to what they have stated, MorphOS is not derived from illegally obtained source code. A legal process will demonstrate this falsehood. If they have not started this process already does it not make you pause and think? If they don't do it then we may anyway just to keep them from spreading opinions and conjecture as fact.
We do not need anything from Amiga Inc. The version of MorphOS that runs natively on a PPC does not need Amiga OS anything...
And one more thing...
Ben, this is a strange reaction from somebody who wanted the low-level documentation, because you had trouble accomplishing certain aspects of OS 4. It was with an issue of confidence that we gave you these registers because we did not necessarily have to provide you with them. It is sad to see such an ungrateful reply. Since then we even had an e-mail in which you confirmed the value of these pages yourself.
In retrospect, we think you were merely "scooping and scouting" at our office for your own advantage. We even faxed the documentation to other destinations for you because the Friedens could not manage to boot the OS cleanly on the CyberstormPPC.
Why don't we keep things straight!
That is enough for now...:)
We will check back later!
Kind regards,
R&B
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Posted by cOrpse on 08-Jun-2002 09:57 GMT
"Having said that, we would even like to thank cOrpse and Samface for becoming a little bit more moderate...:)"
I wouldn't call it moderate , i'd call it being a bit more open and trying to not get on the wrong side of people.And forcing people to put their e-mail in when they post isn't a good idea , I got 3 viruses within half an hour; I know you all like me so , but theres better ways of showing it lol.
"P.S. For those that keep asking... Raquel runs XP. It works quite well,"
Get on a winbeta etc IRC channel and get hold of build 3621 ( the latest ? ) of . net server , its nice and stable and doesn't install the kacky gui stuff by standard. Also run NTswitch on it and it becomes a rather stable and solid XP sp 1 :D.
"And BTW: we NEVER got the Cyberstorm PPC "sources".
What we got were some rather useless pages (2 or 3) describing the Cyberstorm's registers, something even H&P seemed to have had for ages.
All work on the Cyberstorm PPC was done using the BSD and LinuxAPUS source-code."
I for one feel a bit lied to now (Not by ben btw) , are we going to slip down the drity lies path again or can everone that matters just put their cards on table and stop feeding the situation with half truths.
Btw . Can anyone remember how much 32meg simms ( 60ns i think ) cost from power in 1997?
cOrpse - Can't believe there was a cyberstormPPC that cost £699! Thats a hole lot of cream crackers !!
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Posted by gz on 08-Jun-2002 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (cOrpse):
"And BTW: we NEVER got the Cyberstorm PPC "sources".
What we got were some rather useless pages (2 or 3) describing the Cyberstorm's registers, something even H&P seemed to have had for ages.
All work on the Cyberstorm PPC was done using the BSD and LinuxAPUS source-code."
"I for one feel a bit lied to now (Not by ben btw) , are we going to slip down the drity lies path again or can everone that matters just put their cards on table and stop feeding the situation with half truths"
I still don't believe it but... I actually agree with cOrpse on this one. It just seems to me that for some odd reason ben hermans (who I have always admired for the work hyperion has done in the past and is doing now) has chosen to flame bill's post with something that to me seems like half truth (or at least not as the whole truth) Of course that's only the way it seems to me personally, but I think it's a bad move going down the war path once again.
I agree with bill and cOrpse that we should try to keep things clean and not start to throw up things and events that have taken place between 2 companies as there is no way for us peeps to verify what is true and what's not. It's ethically questionable to do such accusations in a public forum as the only reasonable place for that is either in a court room or indeed between the companies involved.
Mr.Hermans seems to take this personally and that's never a good thing when trying to remain unbiased.
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Posted by Simon on 08-Jun-2002 10:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (gz):
>pages (2 or 3) describing the Cyberstorm's registers
I think doesn't equal
>the Cyberstorm PPC "sources"
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Posted by cOrpse on 08-Jun-2002 10:53 GMT
"I still don't believe it but... I actually agree with cOrpse on this one. It just seems to me that for some odd reason ben hermans (who I have always admired for the work hyperion has done in the past and is doing now) has chosen to flame bill's post with something that to me seems like half truth (or at least not as the whole truth) Of course that's only the way it seems to me personally, but I think it's a bad move going down the war path once again. "
I think half truths are coming from both sides , or maybe its a bit of misunderstanding. One view is that bill gave ben ( bill'n'ben hehe ) the sources and ben was happy with them and made good use of them and is playing the fact down. Or that bill gave ben some useless information and ben said thankyou like when your granny gives you a shitty jumper.Who knows , everyone needs to come clean tho else its just going to cause trouble again :(
BTW. Bill as bplan are going to DCE to knock up some boards is there anychance that if we get a list of names together that some people can get a status report on their card , I'm getting ear ache about it again :(, I know i've brought the issue up over and over but if someones going there it could be a good time to reasure people that bplan isn't linked to a blackhole and maybe gain some more customers for morphos.
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Posted by kjetil on 08-Jun-2002 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (cOrpse):
I Agree on with you, just like to add some word i Addison to the email part.
---
Putting email addresses on public site is not an good idea,
1st.
If you are arguing with an Persian with low IQ,
you may and up assigned to one of this spam sites.
2en.
Some one may try to send an Virus,
3rd.
Way hide things in secrecy, way not tell it as it is,
people will respect you're views as long as there are you're believes,
and not lies or false statements.
---
PS. About names like AmiTroll and cOrpse and so on.
I really think name like that is silly as we do not know how we are taking with,
I like to have an idea of the country there come from,
an if there are some one I know i real life, I like to know I'm talking with.
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Posted by cheesegrate on 08-Jun-2002 11:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Bill):
keep up the good work bill..
can we get mol (mac on linux) on pegasos (all it needs is firewire drivers and it's ready to roll into battle)
when is m-day? ;)
ignore the cretins
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Posted by anarchic_teapot on 08-Jun-2002 11:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Bill):
"Bill" wrote:
> That is great Rose!
> You're a genius and now everyone knows.
No genius. Merely a competent and hardworking accountant who doesn't take every statement at face value.
> Why don't you futher impress yourself by reading all the 8Ks...;)
I *have* read them: it's not as though there are very many, after all. Why has nothing been filed since the declaration of late filing foe March 31,2000?
Incidentally, for your delight and edification, I have included the ex-auditors' comments on why they refused to certify the 1999 accounts.
> I wish I knew where you were coming from!? As a charter accountant you
> should behave more responsibly!
Researching publically-available documents and telling the truth is irresponsible? Oh my.
>P.S. Mazars in the US was sold and the partners were fired.
That Mazars in the US was sold (whatever you mean by that: probably merged with another firm) has no bearing on whether or not they acted in a professional manner. Partners do not get 'fired'. They leave a partnership. It is common enough. Or do you have proof that they were 'struck off' as CPAs?
> Mazars in France *never* had a problem. Why don't you call them too!
I'm sure Zinedine Zidane never had a problem either, and he's about as relevant to Pretory USA as Mazars France.
Extract from form 8-K/A, dated 26 June 2000, available on the SEC's website EdgarPro:
---------------------
June 21, 2000
Securities and Exchange Commission
450 Fifth Street, N.W.
Washington, DC 20549
RE: Pretory USA, Inc. Gentlemen:
We have read Item 4 of Amendment No. 2 to the Current Report on Form 8-K ("Form 8- K") of Pretory USA, Inc. ("Pretory" or the "Company"), which is not dated or signed (a copy of which is attached) and was transmitted to us by the Company's attorney, by letter dated June 13, 2000. We disagree with certain statements in the Form 8-K. Our comments with respect to the Company's statements in the amended Form 8-K are as follows:
-- We disagree with the Company's statement in Item 4(b) of the Form 8-K that "there were no disagreements with Mazars & Guerard, LLP on any matters of...auditing scope or procedure, which agreements [sic], if not resolved to their satisfaction, would have caused it to make a reference to the subject matter of the disagreement in connection with its report."
During the audit of the Company's financial statements for the period ended December 31, 1999, we determined that it was necessary to obtain confirmation from The Concorde Trust of an account receivable due to the Company from The Concorde Trust in connection with an ostensible contract (the "Contract") between the Company, The Concorde Trust and the Norwegian People's Aid Society. The Company's management resisted our efforts to obtain confirmation of the account receivable from The Concorde Trust. This disagreement ultimately was resolved to our satisfaction when the Company's management agreed to allow us to request confirmation of the account receivable from the Norwegian People's Aid Society.
-- We disagree with the Company's statement in Item 4(a) that it never "...threatened Mazars and Guerard with litigation."
For the foregoing reasons, we resigned as the Company's auditors without issuing any report or opinion regarding the Company's financial statements for the period ended December 31, 1999.
Very truly yours,
/s/ Mazars & Guerard, LLP
Mazars & Guerard, LLP
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Posted by cheesegrate on 08-Jun-2002 11:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (anarchic_teapot):
rose: "blah blah blah"
maybe u should go back to the a1 ml rose as you really have nothing
to contribute of a positive or substantial nature on this thread.
let's not go further eh ms teapot.. ?
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Posted by Don Cox on 08-Jun-2002 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Bill):
"How about an email address? "
Posting your email address on a web page like this is a good way to
get it onto the CDs full of addresses which are used by Spam
merchants.
Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 91 of 280ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 08-Jun-2002 11:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (cOrpse):
We NEVER got a scrap a source-code from ANYBODY with respect to the Cyberstorm PPC, the Blizzard PPC or whatever hardware produced by DCE, bPlan, Thendic etc.
I repeat, all we got where two-three A4 pages with register descriptions of the Cyberstorm PPC which turned out to very sketchy and sometimes completely inaccurate and which we could have gotten from H&P who had the same information.
OS 4 for the Cyberstorm PPC is being developed using the BSD and LinuxAPUS source-code as a reference for the hardware.
Anybody who claims differently is simply not telling the truth.
Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 92 of 280ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 08-Jun-2002 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
admitting to getting any assistance from bplan via thendic would kinda f**k up your fud about morph wouldn't it ben?
Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 93 of 280ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 08-Jun-2002 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Why do i always feel like i'm being attacked , if its not one side , its the other having ago.
I'm not an insider or any such thing, so i don't know what the truth is, Everyone could be telling porkies , i dunno. Altho some past and recent events can join dots.
Maybe someone that already knew the cyberstorm inside out would consider the information highly , but to anyone else it might just look like a bunch of numbers , stick men etc .
I'm not passing judgement on who's right or wrong.
cOrpse - so bloody hard to stay in the middle.
Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 94 of 280ANN.lu
Posted by Bill on 08-Jun-2002 12:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (anarchic_teapot):
Well Rose, you are really trying to outdue yourself! Whew!
From your post and the Mazars letter -- which you so *kindly* posted --what does this say: "This disagreement ultimately was resolved to our satisfaction when the Company's management agreed to allow us to request confirmation of the account receivable from the Norwegian People's Aid Society."
We completed the humanitarian demining test in Bosnia in June 2000. We hope we get to do another one.
...and further to the request I made to you before to read the last 8K which was filed in the fall of 2000. We have new Auditors. They are more prestigous and more well known. Would they have accepted the file if there were irregularities? What firm do you work for? Would they?
Questions concerning our status with the SEC are clearly addressed on the www.pretory.com website -- check under "About"
Yes, the US offices of Mazars was merged with another firm. We were told Mazars & Guerard had "sold" their US offices and the former lead partner no longer practices as a CPA. Lastly, Pretory SA is 99.7% owned by Pretory USA Inc., and accounts for more than 90% of the total business of Pretory USA, so naturally what Mazars France or now what BDO Genrot has to say about the financial status of the company here in France is very important to Pretory USA. Mazars France did sign off on our audit for 1999 in France.
In closing this matter, Mazars resigned because they claimed we threatened them with a lawsuit for incompetence. This was their excuse for not being able to remain impartial. They were incompetent! We would have fired them anyway!
You are completely out of order Rose. Maybe we should have someone in Toulouse come by and check through all your "files."
So Rose, please try to live up to the virtues of your profession! No more FUD!
Sincerely,
Bill
Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 95 of 280ANN.lu
Posted by Simon on 08-Jun-2002 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (cheesegrate):
> admitting to getting any assistance from bplan via thendic would kinda f**k up >your fud about morph wouldn't it ben?
What FUD would that be? I've never heard Ben spread FUD.
Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 96 of 280ANN.lu
Posted by Bill on 08-Jun-2002 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Hi Ben!
How about this:
We will post the email you sent us after you received what we provided you when we are back in the office Monday. Then we will let everyone else decide what you got and what you thought of it.
Sound fair?
Have a nice weekend!
Bill
Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 97 of 280ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 08-Jun-2002 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Leif):
You probably ment AmiTroll instead of Amifan........
Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 98 of 280ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 08-Jun-2002 12:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Simon):
That deaf dumb and blind kid.... sure plays a mean pinball *g*
Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 99 of 280ANN.lu
Posted by Simon on 08-Jun-2002 12:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (cOrpse):
Bill says in comment 68:
>Ben will admit that we provided him with the CyberStorm PPC sources so that he >and his team could really get to work.
Ben says in comment 71
>we NEVER got the Cyberstorm PPC "sources".
> What we got were some rather useless pages (2 or 3) describing the Cyberstorm's >registers
Bill says in comment 81
>It was with an issue of confidence that we gave you these registers
So, ummm. Did Bill just lie outright and no one see it? Or have I missed something? I like to reamin neutral too, but.... this makes no sense. Who should I trust?
Next Pegasos production sold out : Comment 100 of 280ANN.lu
Posted by Simon on 08-Jun-2002 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Kronos):
> That deaf dumb and blind kid.... sure plays a mean pinball *g*
Point me to a post on ANN where you think Ben has spread FUD and I'll happily argue with you about it.
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