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[News] AWeb AnnoucementANN.lu
Posted on 08-Jun-2002 10:58 GMT by Quantum-375 comments
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Yvon Rozijn the author of the Amiga internet web browser "AWeb" has released his source code so that others in the Amiga community may continue withAWebs development. AWeb Details.
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 51 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Julian Cassin on 09-Jun-2002 09:24 GMT
Sad to see another Amiga developer cease development, but it is also great that he released the source - if he had released a new version, I would have upgraded this wonderful product, thanks for the best Amiga browser! (maybe someone will port it to Windoze so that there is a good browser for that lousy platform as well?)
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 52 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 09-Jun-2002 09:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Julian Cassin):
Now we're getting into "Sillyland".
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 53 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 09-Jun-2002 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Bill Hoggett):
LOL
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 54 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Phill on 09-Jun-2002 10:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Eva):
Funny that, when I demo'd aros to fleecy a while back he said they had no plans to go after aros. For a start they would get bad publicity, lose out on code they can re-use & it would be very hard for them to stop a non profit making organisation from working on it.
If aros was being sold then it might be different...
Phill
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 55 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 09-Jun-2002 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Phill):
Yes Phill, it's completly true. But Fleecy changed completly his opinions when he knew that the base of the next Amiga core of Morphos aren't Amiga 3.x roms, but Aros.
Aros really contributed enormely to MorphOS developening ... contributed to an enemy of AmigaInc...
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 56 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 09-Jun-2002 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Eva):
Please, name the guy who told you that.
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 57 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 09-Jun-2002 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Eva):
Not so at all.
Is it fun to make stuff up as you go?
/Björn
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 58 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by koan on 09-Jun-2002 16:30 GMT
I think this is great news, we should all be thanking this guy.
It's good because we finally have a free browser for Amiga.
Personally, I hope that we don't get all 3 browsers rolled into
one "super-browser". I prefer the choice, that's why I never
understood the Morphos vs Ainc thing.
I hope the people who are working on Ibrowse and Voyager
"borrow" the better parts of the code and apply it to their own.
I also hope AROS or some other group of good programmers
take the code and continue it in a kind of mozilla system.
koan
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 59 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jun-2002 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (koan):
Are you suggesting theft of AWeb code? That is piracy!
If they want to use AWeb code in their browser, their core needs to be opened up too. That is the essence of open source development. You cannot use open source code in your Larger Work without that Larger Work being open source too.
The Aweb team aren't abandoning the code to their competitors. They are licensing it to the public on certain terms and conditions.
Use outside of those terms is theft. Pure and simple.
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 60 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Tbone on 09-Jun-2002 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Eva):
"Aros really contributed enormely to MorphOS developening ... contributed to an enemy of AmigaInc"
Oh for crying out loud! You know what? You can't just run around sueing people to shape reality the way you want it to be. First they'd have to have this thing called "grounds" to sue based on. Sheesh.
"They sided with our 'enemy'" is not grounds. I've heard it all.
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 61 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Kelly Samel on 09-Jun-2002 18:38 GMT
Hi, has anyone succesfully compiled these sources?
It seems like they need the ClassAct includes?
Are these freely available or will the OS 3.5
reaction includes suffice? Anyway it compiled fine
here up until needing a "cainclude:" assign...
I'm using latest SasC to compile.
This has got to be the best webbrowser overall that
I have ever used and it's great to see it go free and
open source for the community, I'm sure someone
will be interested in further development of AWeb.
My Thanks goes out to the Author...
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 62 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 09-Jun-2002 18:45 GMT
Hey Everybody,
Over the past day or so I've been thinking about the whole
Pegasos/MorphOS Versus Amiga Inc arguments many of us seem to have
been having of late.
Bill Buck, I believe has made it perfectly clear that it is neither
here nor there if Amiga OS4 runs on Pegasos or not.
So once OS4 is released, In the short term, because of Amiga Inc's
apparently restrictive licensing terms we will only be able to choose
hardware from Eyetech, Elbox, Matay and possibly Merlancia.
No seriously! Everyone will probably only be using processors clocked
at between 450Mhz and 600Mhz for a least the next sixth months anyway.
I don't think either system will be superior to the other.
Basically if you a new motherboard to run OS4 on buy an AmigaOne G3-SE
if your not bothered about OS4 buy a Pegasos.
After you've made your choice stop whingeing on about it.
Let's have some possitive and product content on the Amiga news sites.
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 63 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 09-Jun-2002 19:57 GMT
AWeb has always been the only Amiga browser I ever liked. It's lack of MUI was a major bonus.
As for OpenSource? Sure, if it works. Make no mistake about it though, the Amiga needs the commercial market to make a come back. I don't believe in the OpenSource world. There's a place for both commercial and OpenSource I think.
The question is, can the other commercial web browsers survive with a free alternative? Another question is, do we care?
I for one will like to take a close look at the source code. If I can contribute anything I will. AWeb needs to support some tags a bit better, better javascript, css and xml support, etc. I'd like to take a look at that parser. The funny thing is I was considering writing an XML parser for the Amiga.
Anyways, I hope it takes off and some progress is finally made. Of course it would also be nice to see what new OS4 features we can take advantage of.
- Mike
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 64 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 09-Jun-2002 20:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Eva):
Well, I don't think it's (Voyager) that fast even in Morphos. I like Ibrowse's speed. Too bad that version is a couple of years old.
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 65 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jun-2002 20:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Rob):
"So once OS4 is released, In the short term, because of Amiga Inc's
apparently restrictive licensing terms we will only be able to choose
hardware from Eyetech, Elbox, Matay and possibly Merlancia."
No, no, no. OS4.0 won't run on that hardware, it will run on Phase5's Cyberstorm and Blizzard PPC boards. As far as I understand there are a few hundred such boards still in existence.
In the unlikely event that some of the other hardware actually becomes a reality I'm sure Hyperion will look into making a port of OS 4.0, but you need to understand that a board with 20 or 30 users isn't a viable target. Most of these boards will never be completed, and those that are will probably bankrupt the companies that own them. Sad but true, and Hyperion recognise that.
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 66 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 09-Jun-2002 20:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Ok, I take it back :) I launched Voyager(68k) on my Amiga with 060/66,
(Mediator) Voodoo3 etc.. And it was quite acceptable :)
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 67 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 09-Jun-2002 23:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Anders Kjeldsen):
The public beta versions of Voyager3 are compiled without
any optimisation.
Unlike the ppc versions.
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 68 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Julian Cassin on 10-Jun-2002 07:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Mike Veroukis):
What do you mean a comeback? We don't want Amiga to be too commercial do we? This is the best hobbiest computer I have ever had - if it was to become too commercial it would probably suck like Windows or Linux does. Let's hope that Amiga stays where it is - as a hobbyist niche market!
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 69 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Julian Cassin on 10-Jun-2002 07:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Anonymous):
Only a few hundred? Does that mean I have almost 1% of boards? I doubt it.. there should be several 1000s at least, I know many people in Melbourne with PPC cards - and yes, my A4000 is still more attractive to me than an AmigaOne. Amiga4000 has Amiga floppy drive which can read Amiga discs, it has Zorro3 slots (with my Emplant (for appletalk), my MPEG card (for hardware playback), my multi-IO cards - and in my old tower, 7 x Zorro 3 slots + 5 x ISA slots! - none of this crappy 4 PCI slots stuff).
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 70 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Linchpin on 10-Jun-2002 10:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Kelly Samel):
>Hi, has anyone succesfully compiled these sources?
>It seems like they need the ClassAct includes?
>Are these freely available or will the OS 3.5
>reaction includes suffice?
Hi, you should be able to compile it using the reaction headers (as found in the 3.9 NDK)
you can also simply replace things like CLASSACT_SpecialPens with REACTION_SpecialPens.
I also needed to do a #define ALL_REACTION_CLASSES before including reaction.h.
Having said that I had some small problem trying to compile it and atm simply don't
have the time to look at it :-(
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 71 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Jun-2002 20:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Fabio Alemagna):
SourceForge has rejected the strange "AWeb Public License".
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 72 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 11-Jun-2002 01:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Anonymous):
Anonymous said,
>If they want to use AWeb code in their browser, their core needs to be opened
>up too. That is the essence of open source development. You cannot use open
>source code in your Larger Work without that Larger Work being open source too.
<nitpick> Before anyone gets the wrong idea, that is the essence of capital-F *Free Software* development. 'Open Source' development encompasses a number of licenses, some of which meet the GNU/FSF definition of 'Free,' all the way out past BSD (effectively public-domain) to such beasts as the Sun Community License. </nitpick>
>The Aweb team aren't abandoning the code to their competitors. They are
>licensing it to the public on certain terms and conditions.
>Use outside of those terms is theft. Pure and simple.
Exactly, and Yvon was right to pick a 'Free' license for the job. Unfortunately, he couldn't go with the GPL due to the GPL itself- it forbids proprietary dependencies that his current codebase has. I hope he'll take my suggestion of adding a 7th, "The Software may be distributed subject to the terms of the GPL, should the Software be modified to be compliant." term; dual-licensing should be enough to get a shot at a GPL-clean AWeb (or AWeb/Mozilla blend) on Sourceforge.
In fact, if the project was blocked from Sourceforge, I'd be interested to hear the host's response to the Catch-22.
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 73 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 11-Jun-2002 09:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Anonymous):
I've only got one word for that entire post: FUD!
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 74 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Jun-2002 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Samface):
Those are 3 words:))))
AWeb Annoucement : Comment 75 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Jun-2002 22:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Samface):
Well, if anything it is giving Hyperion too much credit. They've never actually said that they're sure a BlizzardPPC port is possible, only expressed some hope.
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