| [Files] AwebPPC released | ANN.lu |
| Posted on 16-Jun-2002 05:45 GMT by Mark Olsen | 221 comments
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AWebPPC for MorphOS has been released.
After 7 days of work, AWebPPC is finally available for the public.
Enjoy this fast PPC browser.
Downloads:
Binaries (622kB) - Readme
Sources (1536kB) - Readme
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 101 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Graham on 16-Jun-2002 18:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 100 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
That is what I am saying if you read it.
Crikes.
Do MorphOS users read different text from other people?! It certainly seems like it. I never said that MorphOS wouldn't be able to make use of such code should it be installed, but that it would not be legally allowed to require any code that shipped with AmigaOS. Which was why MorphOS has had to have various parts written natively whereas before they were hoping to use the binaries from 68k AmigaOS until the native versions were available. And this is why MorphOS has been delayed for so long this year...
Graham |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 102 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 16-Jun-2002 19:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 101 (Graham):
> If not, then AWeb still does not run natively on MorphOS... because MorphOS
> will not be able to use any AmigaOS 68k binaries or libraries in its final
> version.
I read that right... You say that it will not be able to use any AmigaOS 68k
binaries and libraries. "Will not be able to use" does not mean "will not use
cause it's illegal" for any normal person that reads it... |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 103 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Graham on 16-Jun-2002 19:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 102 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I wrote "will not be able to use" because, no, it "will not be able to use [legally]" the code.
As the rest of the comment you snipped out made quite clear was the reason for MorphOS not being able to use AmigaOS code. Hence the subject was "legality" when I wrote "will not be able to use".
Sorry, maybe you are taking a very strict view of English that native English speakers very rarely use.
Graham |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 104 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 16-Jun-2002 19:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 103 (Graham):
Cause I'm not a native speaker.
Of course I'm fluint enough not to need to translate from Greek to English
in order to speak/write (and vice versa), but I still am a bit strict.
Sorry. |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 105 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Graham on 16-Jun-2002 21:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 104 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Yeah, I don't know any greek at all so... :)
I will try and be more concise in the future, if I can remember to be concise that is!
Graham |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 106 of 221 | ANN.lu |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 107 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Minuous on 16-Jun-2002 22:20 GMT | What is wrong with the people around here?
It's a valid question, "will there be a WarpUP port?" I was going to ask the same question myself. How is that trolling? I People ask for MorphOS ports of things, no one ever says they are trolling.
Yes, use MorphOS if you want, but just leave off the flaming of true Amigans. It's this sort of crap that puts me off the whole idea.
What bullshit. |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 108 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 16-Jun-2002 22:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 107 (Minuous):
1) He did not ask for a WarpOS version...
He did ask for a "PPC AmigaOS version... you know the one that runs on Amigas".
Excuse me? One that runs on Amigas? Where do I run it now, on a PC? On Pegasos?
No, I run it on my Amiga, with MorphOS
2) True Amigans my ass... First of all, Samface has no Amiga.
Secondly, I gave a hell of a lot of money for Amiga products to allow anyone
to call me a "fake Amigan", OK? Put those "true Amigans" crap whereever you
think that they fit better. |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 109 of 221 | ANN.lu |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 110 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Graham on 16-Jun-2002 23:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 108 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I think that it is safest and would prevent a thread of over 100 comments if we assumed that Samface had the following definitions in mind when making the post:
Amiga - Computer running AmigaOS
not-Amiga - Computer not running AmigaOS.
Yes, the second one means that an A4000 running Linux is not an Amiga. It isn't like Linux makes use of any of the custom hardware is a clever manner anyway, nor is it AmigaOS, so the result is effectively not an Amiga.
Graham |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 111 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Daniel Miller on 17-Jun-2002 00:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 104 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Alkis Tsapanidis: "Cause I'm not a native speaker. Of course I'm fluint enough not to need to translate from Greek to English in order to speak/write (and vice versa), but I still am a bit strict. Sorry."
You are pretty fluent. When Graham claims "MorphOS will not be able to use such and such from Amiga OS" it can mean one of two things, that MorphOS is incapable of using them or that MorphOS is not allowed to use them. So you understood the one meaning but he meant the other.
But then Graham goes on to say that "anything that shipped with AmigaOS is not allowed to be used with MorphOS" (I'm paraphrasing closely) but this is quite wrong, because most people know that 3.5 and 3.9 included a bunch of 3rd party software. In fact 3.5 and 3.9 made heavy use of 3rd party software bundling to add value to the product. But they didn't buy this 3rd party software outright. Everything is obscured in NDA licensing and a lot of stuff was not even paid for, for example Reaction if you follow these things closely on the 'net. Another case in point is AWeb, which "shipped with Amiga OS" but obviously is not owned by Inc. because Yvon Rozijn just opensourced it, and I guess that is why we are all arguing. ;) |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 112 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by os4 fan on 17-Jun-2002 00:23 GMT | | Are there any plans to port it to AOS4 anytime soon ? Maybe a AOS4 developer can comment on this ? |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 113 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Samface on 17-Jun-2002 03:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 108 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
If you quote me, quote me corretly. There's a HUGE difference between "Amigas" and "AmigaOS". |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 114 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Samface on 17-Jun-2002 03:11 GMT | In reply to Comment 108 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
BTW, Sorry to ruin your fake beliefs about me but I do own an Amiga. It's an Amiga1200 equipped with a PowerTower, BlizzardPPC 603e@240MHz & 68040@32MHz, 128MB RAM, BlizzardVisionPPC, SCSI HD & CDRW, 17" Monitor, etc. Obviously you don't have a clue about me and you seem to have a problem with reading what I say in my posts so please stop claiming otherwise, it's degrading for noone but you. |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 115 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ben Yoris on 17-Jun-2002 06:10 GMT | YAHAHAHAHA :)
AGAIN !!!
HOUHOUHOUHOUUUUU :))) |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 116 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 17-Jun-2002 06:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 115 (Ben Yoris):
New PR-tricks at Hyperion? :) |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 117 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund on 17-Jun-2002 06:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 112 (os4 fan):
> Are there any plans to port it to AOS4 anytime soon ?
I'm sure/hope the aweb.sunsite.dk version will work on AmigaOS 4.0, but I'm sure we will not see a port before AmigaOS 4.0 is on the market!!! |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 118 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Samface on 17-Jun-2002 07:03 GMT | In reply to Comment 115 (Ben Yoris):
LOL! Your humourus attitude towards all this is contagious. Please go on. :-) |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 119 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 17-Jun-2002 08:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 110 (Graham):
Yes, this is important because it means that my pocket calculator is an Amiga, while the new AmigaOne is a wristwatch and thus not an Amiga at all.
Actually on ANN the real definition of Amiga is "What I have" while anything in the categories "What I can't afford" and "What you have" is automatically not an Amiga.
So, a PC running Windows and playing an illegal Turrican on UAE is. an Amiga
A burnt pizza with a boing ball drawn on it in ketchup is....... an Amiga
An A1200 playing Sensible Soccer is................ NOT an Amiga
An Amiga A3000 running Linux is........ NOT an Amiga
The AmigaONE is............ NOT an Amiga
Amithlon is........................... an Amiga
Now the confusing part is that some dog mess wrapped in a blanket IS an Amiga while some horse manure in a bag labelled popcorn is NOT an Amiga. It doesn't matter whether you puke in the bag, unless you've had curry. Then it is an Amiga if the puke contains identifiable vegetables. |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 120 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-Jun-2002 08:54 GMT | In reply to Comment 114 (Samface):
You were the one in one thread (iirc) that said that you won't bother about something cause you're fine with Windows. |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 121 of 221 | ANN.lu |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 122 of 221 | ANN.lu |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 123 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Graham on 17-Jun-2002 09:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 111 (Daniel Miller):
You quite clearly missed the bit following your misquote of mine saying roughly "except that which bPlan get arrange a license for from the original author".
Sheesh. |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 124 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Samface on 17-Jun-2002 09:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 120 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
No. I know what you're refering to but it's still no because that's not what I said. |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 125 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Samface on 17-Jun-2002 09:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 114 (Samface):
BTW, my first Amiga was an Amiga1000 which kicked my "Commodore-64-friends" butt back in those days. My computer prior to that was a VIC20 so it was an even more impressive upgrade for me and I've been an active Amiga user since. It's a certain feeling you simply cannot let go of. :-) |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 126 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 17-Jun-2002 10:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 98 (Graham):
Alkis , graham knows little of what he speaks if any at all.
Morphos is in no part of AMigaos ,but yet better then the amiga os .
Actually morphos is the true Amiga os. |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 127 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 17-Jun-2002 10:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 98 (Graham):
Funny graham as morphos os isnt delayed but running right now . Its actually the crappy
so called amigaos that is delayed . Say the facts not lies and conjectures graham .
Then again thats all you do do is lie. |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 128 of 221 | ANN.lu |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 129 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Björn Hagström on 17-Jun-2002 10:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 128 (Henning Nielsen Lund):
Don't worry. He/she's just trying to stir things up. I wish it was possible to put a filter to remove all anonymous postings.
But then again, a login system would clear things up a bit ..
/Björn |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 130 of 221 | ANN.lu |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 131 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Raffaele on 17-Jun-2002 11:36 GMT | All I can see about the Samface question is:
Samface Msg. 2:
> How about an *Amiga* PPC version? You know, a version you can run on AmigaOS...
Olsen Msg. 5
> I knew I should have added a part to the details about Samface having
> to skip this newsitem, sigh...
[...]
> Yes, that's right, because of my MorphOS port,
> you could have an easier time attempting
> (you probably won't even start an attempt, but anyway) to make
> a PowerUP or WarpOS veresion.
> So quit whining and do something about it yourself.
At this moment Samface only made a question to such good programmers, and you can read it as:
«Hey, have you some planning about porting AWEB PPC to Amiga with PPC card and Amiga OS standard?»
or
«Hey, you are good... how about... (etc., etc.)»
But in answer to Samface, Mr. Olsen moans about the presence of Samface.
Then again Olsen:
> You do one. I have found all the places which need to be changed for PPC.
> They weren't few or easy to find all of them.
Seems he want to show us such a good coder he is, in finding certain sequences of code...
but finally Olsen attacks Samface with no reason:
Olsen:
> On the other hand, if you started thinking for a moment
> (yes, I know that must be *very* hard for you),
> you would figure out that a PowerUP/WarpOS version would make
> no sense at all.
This is an arse attack and it is enough for me to stay with Samface...
Despite the fact he could troll in other threads, it seems to me he made only a decent and honest hypotetical question...
You Olsen maybe are a good coder, but you have certainly to learn how to deal with the remaining part of the mankind, honestly man, and with no attacks against you...
Bye,
Raffaele |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 132 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 17-Jun-2002 11:50 GMT | In reply to Comment 131 (Raffaele):
Sorry, this is not the case..
Samface asks this with a lot of attitude..
"Yes, a Morphos port, that's nice.. but it's not good enough! How about making an AmigaOS-version instead, that's what is interesting for this site, not a silly Morphos port - it isn't even legal! What has this community come to, when people start porting programs to silly Morphos instead of the real AmigaOS?"
Afterwards he plays innocent by saying something like:
"How much crap can a man take? What has this community come to, when a REAL amiga fan, like my self, gets persecuted for his believes? I'm just a simple man with one dream; To keep this community a pure Amiga Inc. community with no alternatives unless they got a legal Amiga sticker on it. Let the Morphos people use the black benches while the rest of us use the white ones."
Whatever, I just felt like being a jerk. |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 133 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Menthos on 17-Jun-2002 12:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 132 (Anders Kjeldsen):
> Sorry, this is not the case..
Well, this is not up to you to judge. It was Samface who wrote it at first and if he then say it isn't the case it isn't.
I must admit that when I read his first post I thought, well thats what I would like to know too! But hey, then I must be a BIG ARSE for also wanting a PPC browser for my PPC Amiga (with AOS on).
If you can't read a question and understand it, don't comment or ask if you have got i right with how you have translated it...
/Menthos, sick of everybody that can't read questions and answere then nice! |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 134 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-Jun-2002 12:02 GMT | In reply to Comment 133 (Menthos):
Excuse me, but you don't know Samface... I know his attitude...
I know what he meant. |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 135 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Graham on 17-Jun-2002 12:03 GMT | In reply to Comment 126 (Anonymous):
Yeah, right mr anonymous.
So if MorphOS is the true AmigaOS, then lets wait for the lawsuits to fly...
There is one true AmigaOS and it is owned by Amiga Inc. and it is being developed by Hyperion right now.
Anything else does not have any legal right to be called anything Amiga. If you think that MorphOS is the true AmigaOS, then there has clearly been some mismarketing by bPlan at some point, which would be that illegal use of somebody elses trademark legal issue that has been discussed here in the past and we will not dig up again.
Anyway, AmigaOS runs longer than 2 hours and doesn't depend on another OS' code to run completely. MorphOS is not available yet, is not finished, is delayed because bPlan had to implement the code that they hoped they could use from existing AmigaOS installations. If you are claiming it is available then provide proof. Where can I buy it today?
Sheesh. Anonymous posters, who would have them?
Graham |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 136 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 17-Jun-2002 12:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 133 (Menthos):
>Well, this is not up to you to judge. It was Samface who wrote it at first and
>if he then say it isn't the case it isn't.
I trust THE/MY common sense. :)
>I must admit that when I read his first post I thought, well thats what I
>would like to know too! But hey, then I must be a BIG ARSE for also wanting a
>PPC browser for my PPC Amiga (with AOS on).
Sure, it's allowed to wonder or even ask about it. If he had only sticked to the FIRST sentence, not highlighted the word "AmigaOS" and dropped the "You know, a version that can run on AmigaOS" - since that's very obvious. We ALL know what he meant by an AmigaOS-version. Do *you* understand my point? See, how did that question affect you? ;) |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 137 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Menthos on 17-Jun-2002 12:07 GMT | In reply to Comment 134 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I, I, I... ;)
Anyway, if people find his attitude annoying, ignore him or just answere his question as if they where without the attitude... Simple, ofcource! =)
/Menthos |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 138 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Graham on 17-Jun-2002 12:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 132 (Anders Kjeldsen):
No, Samface asked in total in the entire post:
"How about an *Amiga* PPC version? You know, a version you can run on AmigaOS..."
He even clarified what he meant by Amiga - i.e., something that you can run on AmigaOS in a PPC AmigaOS environment, be it WarpUP or whatever. That is an extremely fair question. Somebody actually answered the question much later on but it was probably lost in the flame war that was started by the MorphOS people who see red when they read "Samface".
So I think that the people who came down heavily on him for that post should take a strong re-evaluation of how they reply to posts on ANN. |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 139 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 17-Jun-2002 12:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 138 (Graham):
Read 136 to see why I disagree with you :) |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 140 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-Jun-2002 12:10 GMT | In reply to Comment 135 (Graham):
Graham,
1) If you are a REAL MorphOS developer (or a serious tester) you get a key.
2) >MorphOS is not available yet, is not finished, is delayed because bPlan had > to implement the code that they hoped they could use from existing AmigaOS
> installations.
At least you got the "had" part, cause the OS is working standalone now.. |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 141 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Menthos on 17-Jun-2002 12:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 136 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Hehe, this is getting fun... =)
First people jumps on him for saying MorphOS is NOT Amiga, and when he specified (this time) the Amiga by adding that he was thinking of AmigaOS-running, people jump at him for that too! It's a non-win situation... Whatever he writes people will jump on him... You are sooooo nice people, don't you think? =P
/Menthos |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 142 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 17-Jun-2002 12:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 136 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Ok, I didn't quote him correctly there :) He said "amiga" version. But that doesn't help:) |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 143 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 17-Jun-2002 12:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 141 (Menthos):
Amiga-version/AmigaOS-version.. Same thing for me. And if he meant "Amiga" as in the classic one, then I can say: Morphos runs on Amiga. (I doubt that he meant that though)
If I was a Samface I would have asked something like:
"Cool, anyone know if a WarpUp version will be released soon?" |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 144 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Menthos on 17-Jun-2002 12:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 143 (Anders Kjeldsen):
> Amiga-version/AmigaOS-version.. Same thing for me.
For me too, but in many threads there have been much noise about MorphOS is Amiga and also jumping on Samface for expressing that he does not think so.
So now he specifies his statement with adding AmigaOS to clearify, and that is somehow more wrong! =D
Well, people read what they want to read and not what was intended (but who knows? Only Samface in this case I guess)...
/Menthos |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 145 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Graham on 17-Jun-2002 12:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 140 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Congratulations.
I will look forward to seeing reviews of the final OS when it is released then. |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 146 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by gooey on 17-Jun-2002 13:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 138 (Graham):
Nah, Samface and his peers on either "side" (groan!) are universally disliked. A zealous clown is a zealous clown is a zealous clown... The fanatics are an embarrassment to everyone. |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 147 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 17-Jun-2002 13:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 126 (Anonymous):
>Actually morphos is the true Amiga os.
hi RS!! |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 148 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkemyst on 17-Jun-2002 15:57 GMT | i like Pepsi
so Pepsi is the true Coca-Cola.
i would never claim that & only a total fool would |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 149 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by strobe on 17-Jun-2002 16:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 49 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>Sammy... We know you now... We learned your moves...
>Stop the flaimbaits or leave.
Why give him the option? |
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| AwebPPC released : Comment 150 of 221 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkemyst on 17-Jun-2002 16:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 148 (Alkemyst):
wait wait there's more.
like like BMW more than Mercedes-Benz,
but i like the name Mercedes-Benz more so the BMW is the true Mercedes-Benz.
oh & i like sony's products more than JVC's but i like the name JVC more so
Sony is the true JVC
i like AmigaOS more than MorphOS but i like the name MorphOs so
so ill just rename AmigaOs 3.9 as MorphOS-68k as i dont have a ppc card
but seeing as everyone is renaming things how they pls so what the heck.
i like Morphos but i like the name AmigaOs more so MorphOs is the true AmigaOS.
sod that i like windows-XP but i like the name AmigaOs more so Windows-XP is the true AmigaOS as i can run 68k amiga apps in emu.
anyone else besides me remmber the guy how put a RollsRoyce grill & Figure on his mini & was taken or was threaten with going to court & swiftly removed the RR stuff.
they have an image to protect. you can just go around renaming thing just cos you like the other name to another product.
take a Game cube & put a PS2 sticker on it take a PS2 & put an Xbox sticker on it take a X box & put a game cube sticker on it & demo it live & have it on TV as well.
& pls let us know when this event will happen as so i can get the popcorn ready. |
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