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Posted on 16-Jun-2002 05:45 GMT by Mark Olsen221 comments
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AWebPPC for MorphOS has been released. After 7 days of work, AWebPPC is finally available for the public.

Enjoy this fast PPC browser.

Downloads:
Binaries (622kB) - Readme
Sources (1536kB) - Readme
AwebPPC released : Comment 151 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 17-Jun-2002 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (Alkemyst):
I had a guy recently ask me why AmigaOS 4.0 was also going under the name MorphOS. He was obviously VERY confused. He had been away from the Amiga scene for quite a while and decided to see what was going on. I guess he saw old RS comments and press statements that he was declaring MOS *WAS* the next generation AmigaOS. The insinuation that MOS *IS* the next generation AmigaOS was at least at one time a tactic used by RS/bPlan. I find it silly that some MOS supporters refuse to admit this tactic was used EVER. It was openly used at one time. Now the official stance is that MOS is completely different, but it still makes news on Amiga related websites(Or like ANN websites that used to be Amiga related), and in the comments you will always find at least 1 or 2 MOS fans declaring that MOS *IS* the real AmigaOS.
This must be very confusing to outsiders.
AwebPPC released : Comment 152 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 17-Jun-2002 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Ben Yoris):
Good for you I guess.
When I see these threads I do not know wether to cry or laugh (or howl?).
AwebPPC released : Comment 153 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 17-Jun-2002 18:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (redrumloa):
Redrumloa:
If MorphOS was named the AmigaOS successor or the "PPC AmigaOS" it was in times where Amiga INC had no interest in a PPC AmigaOS.
It was only once AmigaInc saw MorphOS running and could not manage a deal with Bplan that they decided to give OS4 development to Hyperion.
I guess that if they would never have done this decision you would have a different view on MorphOS.
AROS and Amithlon are also confusing some people.
We have several AmigaOS clone and we have to take this as an opportunity and try to have most software available on all these platforms.
AwebPPC released : Comment 154 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 17-Jun-2002 18:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Samface):
@samface
BTW, Sorry to ruin your fake beliefs about me but I do own an Amiga. It's an Amiga1200 equipped with a PowerTower, BlizzardPPC 603e@240MHz & 68040@32MHz, 128MB RAM, BlizzardVisionPPC, SCSI HD & CDRW, 17" Monitor, etc..
Well well well... I can recall a thread where you were critisizing morphos and where alkis told you to try it before bitching and you replied back saying you haven't tried mos and are unable to because you don't own an amiga computer.
<<< Me goes looking for that thread
Btw. in another post in another thread I simplified my opinion too much about amigaone and teroncx. Your reply was correct and I took it into account.
AwebPPC released : Comment 155 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 17-Jun-2002 18:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 154 (gz):
"BTW, Sorry to ruin your fake beliefs about me but I do own an Amiga. It's an Amiga1200 equipped with a PowerTower, BlizzardPPC 603e@240MHz & 68040@32MHz, 128MB RAM, BlizzardVisionPPC, SCSI HD & CDRW, 17" Monitor, etc.. "
Nice system :)
"Well well well... I can recall a thread where you were critisizing morphos and where alkis told you to try it before bitching and you replied back saying you haven't tried mos and are unable to because you don't own an amiga computer."
Maybe a few do , but you kinda have to admit that morphos has gained some groupies like kronos , darklite etc that really don't have any purpose bitching or ranting for it as they play no part in its current situation , Most of them don't even play a part in the *amiga* situation at all and are just jumped up uae users ( also the reason they demand a x86 amigaos)
"<<< Me goes looking for that thread"
Good luck
"Btw. in another post in another thread I simplified my opinion too much about amigaone and teroncx. Your reply was correct and I took it into account. "
Why does the teronCX issue have to be brought up over and over again , Its a working solution enough said. Next you'll all be saying the amigaONe is a computer clone and not up to your high high standards . Everyone give it a rest , its only a bloody computer after all , jesus go out drinking or something , even getting run over by a bus is more fun then being depressed by a bunch of screaming bitches :P
BTw . you'll all notice i haven't been here much lately , reason i have a real life , i have alot of work to do to pass this year of college. can we all get back to real life instead of always bitching ( and in the long run hurting ) over issues that when it comes to it don't really matter anyway.
AwebPPC released : Comment 156 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Fab on 17-Jun-2002 19:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (cOrpse):
>BTw . you'll all notice i haven't been here much lately , reason i have a real life , i have alot of work to do to pass this year of college. can we all get back to real life instead of always bitching ( and in the long run hurting ) over issues that when it comes to it don't really matter anyway.
I'm sorry to say that I still find you too present here :). Work harder, or get a more real life.
AwebPPC released : Comment 157 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 17-Jun-2002 20:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Graham):
Graham: "You quite clearly missed the bit following your misquote of mine saying roughly "except that which bPlan get arrange a license for from the original author"."
Graham, I didn't misquote you. You made later comments where you were either clarifying, or backing off, and trying to clear up things with Alkis. True you came back and added text about bPlan needing a license to include 3rd party software, but this is an obvious fact, why state it?
Let me cut and paste your comment: "Do MorphOS users read different text from other people?! It certainly seems like it. I never said that MorphOS wouldn't be able to make use of such code should it be installed, but that it would not be legally allowed to require any code that shipped with AmigaOS."
And my clearly labeled *paraphrase* of that comment: "anything that shipped with AmigaOS is not allowed to be used with MorphOS." That is a fair depiction of what you said. I am not misquoting you. PS: cute beginning on your comment about MorphOS users. ;) How can we be so sensitive?
Honestly, when you have to get into multiple clarifications about your obvious bogus argument that MorphOS "is not able" to use this and that, and further that MorphOS "is not legally allowed to require any code that shipped with Amiga OS" it is kind of like a little kid pointing a bunch of toys and saying "Jimmy can't use that it's mine" and "hands off I saw that ball first you can't have it."
AwebPPC released : Comment 158 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 17-Jun-2002 20:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 156 (Fab):
"I'm sorry to say that I still find you too present here :). Work harder, or get a more real life."
I dunno if to take that in a good or bad way ... Things have caught up with me lately tho , so much work so little time , and next to issues someone i know getting hit by a car , various emotional things; the whole mos/aos thing is just seems more of a waste of time.
Its a bloody computer after all.
for the record i think i've only posted 3 comments here this week , all things i hope people don't hate me for ( i have a reputation i think ;) ). Anyone else want to make peace , dig out my e-mail from somewhere and drop me a line , i'm in a none pro anything mood that could last for a long time to come.
Back to life
Daniel
AwebPPC released : Comment 159 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 17-Jun-2002 21:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 157 (Daniel Miller):
> Graham, I didn't misquote you. You made later comments where you were either
> clarifying, or backing off, and trying to clear up things with Alkis. True you
> came back and added text about bPlan needing a license to include 3rd party
> software, but this is an obvious fact, why state it?
Because people on this board are as anal retentive about nit-picking as anywhere else on Earth?
I had to mention it to try and stop a pointless argument later on (looks like I failed), and still somebody ignored that part and made a comment about how some of the software in AmigaOS could have been relicensed by bPlan. Yeah, I know, I wrote that earlier. I was obviously talking about AmigaOS components like Gadtools and Workbench which were not relicensable by bPlan for the obvious reasons.
As I said before, it appears that some people intentionally try to misread comments on ANN, for some personal agenda perhaps?
Graham
AwebPPC released : Comment 160 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 18-Jun-2002 01:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 147 (Anonymous):
If you did know RS you would know that RS would NEVER say ANYTHING
like that...
AwebPPC released : Comment 161 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 18-Jun-2002 01:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (redrumloa):
It was declared as a next generation PPC OS for Amiga computers, not as
AmigaOS PPC.
AwebPPC released : Comment 162 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 18-Jun-2002 04:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 154 (gz):
On the contrary, I've stated at several occasions that I do have an Amiga and that I do have tried MorphOS. Good luck in finding that post...
AwebPPC released : Comment 163 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 18-Jun-2002 04:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 161 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Correction: It was declared as an Amiga next generation PowerPC
OS.
AwebPPC released : Comment 164 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 18-Jun-2002 05:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 160 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
No, he would probably say something like "Party on!". ;-)
AwebPPC released : Comment 165 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 18-Jun-2002 06:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 163 (Samface):
Hello Sammy,
" Correction: It was declared as an Amiga next generation PowerPC
OS."
Sorry but isn't it the same as a PowerPC OS for Amiga computers? For me it's the same. I understand that it's ambigous and so that some people have interpreted it in an other way. For me an Amiga next generation PowerPC OS is an PowerPC OS for Amiga computers, nothing more. Just like LinuxPPC is a PowerPC OS for AMiga computers and so is also an Amiga (not next generation ;) ) PowerPC OS. Like Linux x86 is a PC x86 OS...
Regards
AwebPPC released : Comment 166 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 18-Jun-2002 07:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 165 (Frodon):
Hrm... Would you say the same about "Star Trek Next Generation"? I'm sorry but "Amiga next generation" implies nothing but something beeing next generation Amiga which is highly questionable since they do not have the right to pursue the product line of Amiga Inc.'s IP.
This is too obvious to even discuss, Frodon. I mean, the words "Amiga" and "next-generation" in the same sentence when announcing your competing product to the real AmigaOS? Puuhleeease!
AwebPPC released : Comment 167 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 18-Jun-2002 07:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 166 (Samface):
Hello Sammy,
" Hrm... Would you say the same about "Star Trek Next Generation"? I'm sorry but "Amiga next generation" implies nothing but something beeing next generation Amiga which is highly questionable since they do not have the right to pursue the product line of Amiga Inc.'s IP.
This is too obvious to even discuss, Frodon. I mean, the words "Amiga" and "next-generation" in the same sentence when announcing your competing product to the real AmigaOS? Puuhleeease"
This is not so obvious as you seem to say. Personnaly for me an Amiga next generation OS is a next generation OS for Amiga and not an OS for Amiga next generation... That's why I said that LinuxPPC is an Amiga (not next generation ;) ) OS. I meant that what was not next generation was Linux and not Amiga as LinuxPPC will also run on AmigaOne so it is also an OS for Amigas Next Generation but not a next generation OS for me ;)
So it's not so obvious that Amiga next generation OS means an OS for Amigas next generation or a next generation OS for Amigas...
It's ambigous, so that's normal that some people don't understand the expression the same way as some others :-)
Regards
AwebPPC released : Comment 168 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 18-Jun-2002 07:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 167 (Frodon):
Nonsense. You don't name something "next generation" without having a previous generation to refer to. What's the "previous generation" MorphOS? Simple; there is none. So, what does the "next generation" part of that sentence then refer to? Tell me, I'm dying to know...
AwebPPC released : Comment 169 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 18-Jun-2002 07:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 167 (Frodon):
BTW, there is nothing ambigous about it if you know the basics of English grammars. I know English isn't the native language for the two of us but look it up and only one interpretation is correct, that's why we have grammars.
AwebPPC released : Comment 170 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 18-Jun-2002 07:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 167 (Frodon):
MorphOS is NOT an AmigaOne compatible operating system and therefore you cannot say that it is for next generation Amiga computers either.
AwebPPC released : Comment 171 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 18-Jun-2002 08:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Christophe Decanini):
"AROS and Amithlon are also confusing some people.
We have several AmigaOS clone and we have to take this as an opportunity and try to have most software
available on all these platforms."
This is no different from the situation with Unix, where there are
various commercial versions and various non-commercial or
semi-commercial versions. It's confusing for the beginner but probably
the competition is a good thing in the long run.
AwebPPC released : Comment 172 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 18-Jun-2002 08:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (Graham):
Is it that some people are intentionally misreading, or that some people are intentionally misleading?
AwebPPC released : Comment 173 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 18-Jun-2002 08:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (Don Cox):
If there is a market for that kind of competition, yes. However, I don't think that applies to the Amiga market which is barely alive at all. I think we need one clear path forwards in order to create a market. I mean, once we have a profitable market, competition could help keep it vital. But today, competition would be fighting over bread crumbs. It's simply not worth it and it's degrading to those participating the fight. That's not a way to convince someone to choose Amiga over other platforms where the options are stronger and able to provide the consumer with more future proof products and services.
AwebPPC released : Comment 174 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Jun-2002 09:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 167 (Frodon):
Well, perhaps, but it is important to remember that AmigaOS 4.0 is massively inferior to Linux in pretty much every way. Of the things you could run on that PPC board, AOS 4.0 has probably the worst feature set AND will be the most expensive and least reliable.
AwebPPC released : Comment 175 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 18-Jun-2002 09:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 174 (Anonymous):
1. AmigaOS4 hasn't been released yet and therefore you cannot possibly know enough about it's feature set and it's reliablility, please stop spreading FUD.
2. Have you even tried LinuxPPC? Do you have much Linux experience at all? You know, there's alot more to things than just an impressive feature set, like user-friendliness. That's one feature Linux (PPC or not, regardless of distro) simply lacks in comparison with an Amiga and it's AmigaOS. I mean, what's the point of owning a ferrari without a driver's seat?
AwebPPC released : Comment 176 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 18-Jun-2002 09:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 174 (Anonymous):
Besides, comparing a commercial OS against an open source one isn't really fair, now is it? It's the same when you compare Windows with Linux, it's an entirely different discussion involving so much more issues which I don't think we should go into here.
Anyway, like I said earlier, you cannot compare an already existing option with an option that isn't available yet because it's still under development.
AwebPPC released : Comment 177 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 18-Jun-2002 10:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 163 (Samface):
Which means exactly what I said. Linux APUS is also an
Amiga(cause it runs on Amigas) next generation (cause it is:)
PPC(it runs on PPCs) OS (ehm).
AwebPPC released : Comment 178 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 18-Jun-2002 10:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 170 (Samface):
Don't be too sure about that, MorphOS already runs on TerronCX, it would run
on AmigaONE with some drivers...
AwebPPC released : Comment 179 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 18-Jun-2002 10:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 176 (Samface):
Excuse me but Amiga nextgeneration PPC OS != AmigaOS.
AmigaOS is a trademark. Declaring your product as
an Amiga next generation PPC os is not harming anybody.
If saying that your product is targeted for Amigas is
harming Amiga Inc's interests than sorry, I'm outta here...
So is saying that you do an Amiga UNIX-like PPC OS, or an
Amiga PPC OS (an OS that runs on PPC Amigas) illegal?
AwebPPC released : Comment 180 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 18-Jun-2002 10:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 177 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> Which means exactly what I said. Linux APUS is also an
> Amiga(cause it runs on Amigas)
Linux APUS is an Amiga? No, it's software running on Amiga computers. An Amiga is a computer, Linux isn't a computer. Is Ibrowse an Amiga? Is Photogenics an Amiga? No, they are software *for* Amiga computers.
> next generation (cause it is:)
Next generation? No next generation without a previous generation. What would the previous generation be according to you?
> PPC(it runs on PPCs) OS (ehm).
Fine.
AwebPPC released : Comment 181 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 18-Jun-2002 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 178 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
But the point is that it doesn't, regardless of how easy it is to make it do so. Claiming that MorphOS is a next generation OS because it *might* be able to run on the next generation Amiga computers is pure FUD. Besides, the AmigaOne didn't even exist by the time of that announcement, how can you possibly make the conclusion that the statement is refering to the AmigaOne?
AwebPPC released : Comment 182 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 18-Jun-2002 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 179 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Amiga is a trademark of Amiga Inc. and the MorphOS team is in no way entitled to use it when marketing their own product, period. They claim that their product is "Amiga next generation" and once again, it's not their product line to pursue.
AwebPPC released : Comment 183 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 18-Jun-2002 11:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 180 (Samface):
Huh? It was declared as an AMIGA PPC OPERATING SYSTEM! A PPC OPERATING
SYSTEM THAT RUNS ON AMIGAS! Are you nuts!?!?!?!?!?
AwebPPC released : Comment 184 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 18-Jun-2002 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 182 (Samface):
Ok! I'll never EVER make any software for Amigas cause it's illegal to make
Amiga software and say so.... Are you completely blainless?
AwebPPC released : Comment 185 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 18-Jun-2002 11:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 180 (Samface):
Software for Amigas is called Amiga software for AGES. Amiga software!= software
that is made by Amiga Inc...
AwebPPC released : Comment 186 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 18-Jun-2002 11:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 183 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
To Samface and Alkis:
Get over it already, neither of you is going to buy into the way the other one is interpreting it.
Obviously it can be interpretated both ways. Only the original author(s) knows what was intended while neither of you two does.
/Björn
AwebPPC released : Comment 187 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 18-Jun-2002 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 182 (Samface):
If you can't speak english it's not our problem... Amiga, next generation and
PPC are definitions for the acronym OS. If you read 3 words out of it, don't
expect to make any sense...
It's:
Amiga > OS (runs on Amigas)
next generation > OS (fine)
PPC > OS (fine)
AwebPPC released : Comment 188 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 18-Jun-2002 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 186 (Björn Hagström):
I know VERY well what it does mean you know...
It can NOT be interpretted in 2 ways...
AwebPPC released : Comment 189 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 18-Jun-2002 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 188 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
And now Samface is going to say the exact same thing. Can't you see how you both look to others in here?
/Björn
AwebPPC released : Comment 190 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Menthos on 18-Jun-2002 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 188 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
If there where a common definition of Amiga this would be one way or the other. As when people say Amiga some means Amiga as the computer, some means the AOS ant some even means Amiga+AmigaOS. It's not really obvious the meaning in the word Amiga here.
/Menthos
AwebPPC released : Comment 191 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 18-Jun-2002 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 190 (Menthos):
Exactly.
But if we say that AmigaAmiga+AmigaOS, then hardware hitting games that
kill the OS are not Amiga games...
It's a dead end actually...
AwebPPC released : Comment 192 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Menthos on 18-Jun-2002 13:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 191 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
But you still have some parts of the OS on the ROM, so you can't escape from it even if you are not using it, and don't you use OS (exec) functions for turning off multitasking and so on? =)
Well, it ain't easy, thats for sure, so it's time to let it rest...
/Menthos
AwebPPC released : Comment 193 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Jun-2002 16:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 186 (Björn Hagström):
I just remebered a true story
At our old house we had neighbours that were lodgers.
They were not very clean and we got an infestation of mice.
We had to call the pestkillers and they put poisonous bait around the house.
After a week the guy from the pestkiller company came round to check on the progress and found that there had not been much improvement.
I asked him why it wasn't working and he replied that the mice had learned to avoid the poison.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Moral of story:
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Even rodents are intelligent enough to avoid BAIT, whilst seemingly intellectual human being always fall for flaimbait.
AwebPPC released : Comment 194 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Jun-2002 22:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 175 (Samface):
Hyperion claims that the feature set for OS4 is frozen. I have no reason to doubt that this is more or less true. So yes, we can compare features because we know what features are in OS4 and we certainly know what features you'd get from a PPC Linux distribution put together for the same hardware.
I don't have all week to argue with the ANN trolls, so let's pick one feature at random.... AHI
Back in 2001 Fleecy claimed of AHI in OS4 "The Audio system will be the best of any system out there", but while it was a revolution for the Amiga in 1996 by today's standards it's a poor system even when compared with the offerings on Windows. AHI's chief architect isn't even working on the OS4 system, he has no PPC machine to test it with.
AHI does have interrupt based audio, but it doesn't have decent latency (indeed the documentation contains stern warnings against trying for 10ms or less latency with AHI) and it forces on the user linear interpolation and no dither. Maybe '030 users appreciate the small saving in CPU cycles, but such compromises will seem foolish on a 600MHz G3. There's also no sensible routing for audio, even in the unlikely event that someone produces a good modular synth for AOS4 and a nice HDR app you won't be able to route incoming sound through the synth to the HDR. Oh well, at least it will work in Linux.
AwebPPC released : Comment 195 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 20-Jun-2002 07:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 185 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
You obviously have a bit too simplified view on software. Software is divided into two very distinct categories; operating systems and applications.
LinuxPPC applications is never mentioned as "Amiga" applications despite the fact that it runs on Amiga computers. Why? Because applications isn't defined by the hardware it runs, it's defined by the OS it's made to run with. So, in order to call your software "Amiga", it must be an application made to run with AmigaOS. If it uses Amiga hardware or not is irrelevant, that's how even applications made with WinUAE can name themselves Amiga applications. (Look at Aminet and you'll be suprised how many applications that is made on a PC with WinUAE.)
MorphOS is not an application, it's an OS in direct competition with AmigaOS. You cannot define MorphOS as an Amiga OS because there is only one AmigaOS, an alternative OS is just that, an alternative which isn't Amiga, regardless if it runs on Amiga hardware or not. Noone can make a competing alternative to another company's product and use the same trademark as the original product when marketing their own, it's really as simple as that. What do you think would happen if Burger King would start selling burgers named BigMac Next Generation Burger?
AwebPPC released : Comment 196 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 20-Jun-2002 07:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 187 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> If you can't speak english it's not our problem... Amiga, next generation and
> PPC are definitions for the acronym OS. If you read 3 words out of it, don't
> expect to make any sense...
> It's:
> Amiga > OS (runs on Amigas)
> next generation > OS (fine)
> PPC > OS (fine)
Correction:
Amiga ---> Amiga and AmigaOS are trademarks of Amiga Inc. and therefore the MorphOS team is NOT entitled to use neither of those words when marketing their OS which is in direct competition with the real AmigaOS. It would have been just fine if we were talking about an application made to run with AmigaOS but it isn't.
Next generation ---> Next generation to what? There is no "previous generation" MorphOS and when looking at the context "Amiga next generation", what do you think the "next generation" part refers to? No, it cannot simply refer to "OS" due to the fact that there is no previous version of MorphOS. Think again, what does the "next generation" part of that sentence *really* refer to?
PPC ---> Fine.
AwebPPC released : Comment 197 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 20-Jun-2002 08:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 194 (Anonymous):
Like I said earlier, you cannot compare an open source OS with a commercial one. It's just like when some people prefer fast food while some people prefer to have it home made. You see, it doesn't matter if it's possible to make gourmet dinners in your own kitchen when you don't know how and you're not interested in learning either, you just want to get rid of your hunger. Linux is pretty much the same, great functionality but only a small fraction of the users knows how to use it. I still as of today have problems with my soundcard under Linux but it works perfect under Windows, why spend several hours/days in trying to correct the problem with Linux when I can simply boot up the preinstalled Windows which gets the job done right away?
You see, that's the problem with Linux, you have to be a computer nerd in order to even want to use it. The money spent on a commercial OS is easily regained with the time you did not spend on getting the damn thing to work, either that or by the money not spent on hiring an expert.
So, you can brag all about Linux features all you want, I still don't want to spend my days on learning how to compile X library and Y kernel etc. just in order to get a running system. Did I mentioned that it took me a complete day just to get the scroll wheel on my logitech mouse working on the latest version of RedHat? In the same time I get a *fully* working version of Windows up and running + atleast 10hrs of work done ontop of that. The one saying that Linux is for free is completely full of it, time is money!
Anyway, I didn't want to go into this and that's why I said that we shouldn't. However, as you don't seem to give up about it I simply had to tell you what I think it. Now leave for a Linux forum/newssite or stay on ANN and stop the Linux discussion already. If you're looking for Linux people then you're obviously in the wrong place, you know...
AwebPPC released : Comment 198 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 20-Jun-2002 09:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 191 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
AmigaTrademark of Amiga Inc. and may not be used for marketing products in direct competition to Amiga Inc.'s products.
AwebPPC released : Comment 199 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 20-Jun-2002 09:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 190 (Menthos):
It's all about in what context you want to use the word "Amiga". You see, it's spanish for a female friend and of course Amiga Inc. cannot forbid the spanish people from using it. However, when it comes to marketing products which is in direct competition to Amiga Inc.'s products, like an alternative to their AmigaOS, for example... So, it's actually not that difficult after all.
AwebPPC released : Comment 200 of 221ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Jun-2002 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 199 (Samface):
Ah, ok, then:
1) Games that kill AmigaOS completely (that is destroying the execbase etc like
capital punishment) are not Amiga games.
2) So, I'm not able to announce an Amiga piece of completely hw hitting software
cause it doesn't run on AmigaOS, but kills it off. Get serious!
3) Ah ok, AmigaInc. has the right to restrict anyone from writing any OS for
Amigas and say that it's an OS for Amigas, as Amiga is their trademark.
I thought I was talking with a a smart guy and not a totally stupid one...
GET SERIOUS!
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