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[News] Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on EbayANN.lu
Posted on 19-Jun-2002 14:22 GMT by Christian Kemp38 comments
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"Oliver" discovered that [somebody pretending to be?] Amiga Inc. are selling the Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay, and remarks: "Has it got that bad?" [ As of today, the auction has been running for seven days, and there were 0 bids at $39.95. Update: Some commentators suggest that this might well be a hoax. On second thought, I'd have to agree.- CK ]
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 1 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by MasterOfReality on 19-Jun-2002 13:00 GMT
I don't see why this is bad. Plenty of retailers use eBay and Yahoo to
sell their stock. If the pack was only available via the Amiga
website and Amiga dealers, nobody in the outside world would ever see
it. Ebay is an easy and cheap way to reach a (slighty) bigger
audience.
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 2 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 19-Jun-2002 13:04 GMT
Don't they know you should always start your bid price at $1, set a reserve and have the "Buy Now" option?!?
- Mike
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 3 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-Jun-2002 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (MasterOfReality):
AFAIR the card-version intially sold for $69 (completly unrealistic).
Now they seem to had a slight meeting with reality, but $40 is still
a high price for one shoot_em_up (+ 3 puzzles that would sell for $0).
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 4 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by MasterOfReality on 19-Jun-2002 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Kronos):
I see your point, but it does include 20MB of storage space as well,
so it's slightly better value than it seems.
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 5 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 19-Jun-2002 13:38 GMT
This was posted for consideration in the forum category, but I thought it interesting enough to qualify as "News".
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 6 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 19-Jun-2002 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Mike Veroukis):
Shhhh, it's funner this way. :)lol
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 7 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Eliot on 19-Jun-2002 14:32 GMT
This is a fake news message!!
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 8 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 19-Jun-2002 15:05 GMT
That links to the UK eBay site. There is another in the US eBay for a compact flash version (same price) and a Secure Digital version for $49.95
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1359721489
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 9 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 19-Jun-2002 15:50 GMT
This drips of hoaxing. Whether it is or isn't (it equally drips of test-marketing), I can appreciate the concept- eBay *is* the Internet's marketplace, after all. However, the utter lack of links, official logos, or payment service options proves the concept misguided either way. (Contrast sellers like ReturnBuy and PCSurplusOnline, who've made a decent shot at conducting professional business through eBay.) If this is at all serious, it's certainly roundabout- you'd have to go through the trouble of winning the auction to be pointed to the AmigaAnywhere purchasing site?
I expect to see this pulled in a few hours once word gets around, but were it for real, I'd make a few suggestions- fix the hyphenation in the username (Amiga-Online-Sales would read better); stick with the minimalist HTML, but make effective use of <B>, <I>, <U>, and <P>, and center the example image; pimp the "outreach" aspect (recognizing that eBay is 'the' way to shop online), not the games themselves- provide a link to the official site for that; provide full payment/handling/contact information in <ADDRESS> tags; use the logos of the supported credit card payment methods... A link to an "Amiga on eBay!" page at Amiga.com would do a lot to authenticate this, if it weren't a bad joke.
Keeping a listing in the featured auctions list for the PDA category would be cheap, innovative, and not particularly intrusive advertising- the trick would be pulling it off professionally enough to avoid the 'trailer park' connotations. A targeted banner might be more 'pro,' but I can say I trust eBay banners even less than the auctions- they're on par with herbal Viagra spam.
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 10 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by dh on 19-Jun-2002 16:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Mike Veroukis):
There's nothing more stupid than the Reserved Price option...
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 11 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Hutchinson on 19-Jun-2002 16:19 GMT
This is stupid, it has to be a hoax, or a desperate Amiga inc.
Somehow doubt they'll get any bidders anyway who ever they
are.
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 12 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 19-Jun-2002 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (dh):
>There's nothing more stupid than the Reserved Price option...
Why's that? All it means is that the seller is not obligated to sell at a lower price, however, they still can if they feel like it. It also allows you to safely start the bidding really low like $1. This is great as more people will feel like bidding when the price is really low. Once they bid they'll be notified when others bid and may then counter bid and drive up the price. This doesn't seem stupid to me at all.
- Mike
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 13 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Trucker McE. on 19-Jun-2002 16:43 GMT
This is exciting!
We are exploring brand new exciting Internet sales channels in order to provide you all with an exciting, total and compelling Amiga experience!
E-bay is an exciting partner and they are very excited over participating in the exciting Digital Content Revolution! We have consulted users (hi, fanatic_crackpot!), partners (howdy Alan!) and developers (uhm, hi... fleecy!) and we all agreed that this is an exciting way to explore the toolshed company universe! Keep your eyes peeled, in six months you'll be able to purchase our exciting main product, the "Amiga IP" from E-bay. Bids will start at $499!
Yeehaw!
:)
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 14 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by |Lando| on 19-Jun-2002 17:00 GMT
Well, the auctions finished and nobody bidded...
I wonder if this is real? The auction looked so unprofessional. Typing mistakes, grammatical mistakes, poor HTML. I have a feeling its a competitor or someone with a grudge against AInc trying to make them look dumb.
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 15 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by cnn on 19-Jun-2002 17:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (|Lando|):
I doubt they need some help from others to look dumb. It's the only job
they manage with excellence.
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 16 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 19-Jun-2002 17:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (|Lando|):
"Typing mistakes, grammatical mistakes, poor HTML"
Sounds just like Amiga Inc. we all know and love. What's the problem?
As for the idiots saying "no doubt in a few hours this will be taken down",
the auction ended about an hour after you posted anyway. You didn't think to
look at the page before you ranted on about it, did you?
I don't think this smacks of anything except for an Amiga Inc. employee trying
to sell off his own personal copy of the game pack (he probably copied it to a
bigger CF card :) and using the Amiga name and credit card facilities to do it..
$39.99 for a 32MB CF card is a little expensive though even with 3 games.
Matt
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 17 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Jun-2002 17:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Mike Veroukis):
I suggest you go to bed and sleep on it. It's a very, very
stupid idea. Any sane and rational person can see that.
Now that I've satisfactorily dealt with the troll, I'll address
the matter at hand: This is obviously Amiga Inc. at work. After
all, it said so didn't it? And as all Hyperion and Elbox fans
know, everything on the Internet is true. No need for objective
facts at all.
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 18 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 19-Jun-2002 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
>I suggest you go to bed and sleep on it. It's a very, very
>stupid idea. Any sane and rational person can see that.
What a sane and rational argument that is! The funny thing is you probably think you're really clever.
- Mike
ps: don't bother replying, this "very, very stupid" arguement ends here.
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 19 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 19-Jun-2002 23:22 GMT
The only thing hoaxy about this is people trying to cover Amiga butt on this.
It's really not a big deal to start off with, as anyone who has watched or bid on items from companies that deal in such items. such as music items from music companies...
Amiga Inc is simple new at it, that's all. Though they should have done a bit more checking on how others were doing things before they attempted such a thing as not even getting a single bid can't be helping their appeal, expecially since the "Amiga online community" has found out about it.
but this eBay stuff really is a live and learn trial and error thing if you don't investigate it first. Which brings up the next point.
eBay didn't become so successful by being so easily fooled as these items being placed on ebay would have to suggest, if it were a hoax. Go ahead read up on their policies and rules, eBay is far from being something new and exciting
and they certainly have no need to make a partnership with someone who wants to sell at auction a few very small dollar items (as compaired to items in the $1000 plus range or even much higher.
What it does tell us is what? that the game pak isn't so popular? like we didn't already know that. Then again.....some people want to believe....well whos selling so many damn blue pills?
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 20 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by The Blue Pill Junkie on 20-Jun-2002 00:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (3seas):
Jeeze Tim, does everything in the world look like the Matrix to you???
Anyone remember those old Tootsie-Roll commercials... "Everything that I think I see... becomes a tootsie roll to me!"
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 21 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jun-2002 06:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Mike Veroukis):
So where's your rational and sane argument then? It works both
ways but I don't expect an ignorant little twat to understand
that.
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 22 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Alex Klauke on 20-Jun-2002 06:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Kronos):
(also to Neko, No. 16)
Last time I checked, a 32 MB CF card was € 30 at a local dealer (approx. 25
bucks) at lowest. Some were even selling them for € 40. Substract this from the
$69 figure and you're at 30-40 $/€ (d/l version is $ 30 btw) for those four games
that otherwise sell for $20+(3*$10)=$50 if you d/l them one at a time.
So, if you don't expect AmigaInc. to donate you the CF card, you get the content
at a lowered amount. Or does anyone at his/her right mind think AmigaInc. should
accept a loss at selling their products? After all its a business.
Simply buy yourself a $30 32 MB CF card, get the d/l version of the EP for
$30, if only it makes you feel better... Yes, I know, Kronos, _you_ won't.
Ciao, Alex
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 23 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Andreas Wolf on 20-Jun-2002 07:29 GMT
The picture http://www.amiga.com/images/aaep1anim.gif which is used was last modified on June 11th, the auction started on June 12th. Is this picture used somewhere on Amiga Inc.'s website?
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 24 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by MrZammler on 20-Jun-2002 09:05 GMT
I would think it is a hoax, if it werent for the contact email address. It points to sales@amiga.com, which I think ebay has checked before giving the person the ability to post auctions.
I might be wrong though...
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 25 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 20-Jun-2002 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Alex Klauke):
>$30, if only it makes you feel better... Yes, I know, Kronos, _you_ won't.
Sure cause I don't have a PDA in the first place, but looking what others have
to offer (saw a link (here ?) to a 3d-carrace-game recently). Makes me wonder who
would spend even $10 for such games.
So now take that $30 pay the licences (everything in the game-pack is made by
3rd parties), tax and handling and see whats left. Probraly $5-10. And now
remember that this is basicly the only "enduser"-product for AInc after 30 months
and that they have ~30 emplyees, and tell me how many copies they have to sell
before they earn the first dollar..
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 26 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by o1i on 20-Jun-2002 11:29 GMT
For me, I do not so much care about whether this was AInc or not,
it's just a real life proof, that nobody buys such a product.
Not even on ebay ;), where people tend to buy *everything* at
used prices higher than new prices..
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 27 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 20-Jun-2002 12:22 GMT
Silly "Amiga" cult followers.... take something that is really nothing and blow
it up to be bigger then it is and then make it out like it's a hoax.
Gosh, hope Amiga stays in business, it helps in keeping track of the shadow fighters.
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 28 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by DanDude on 20-Jun-2002 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (The Blue Pill Junkie):
LOL
Good one. :D *high-fives*
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 29 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by DanDude on 20-Jun-2002 13:31 GMT
Seriously, Ebay is intended to sell --used-- items unless it happens to be a very rare and aged item.
Keep the Amiga faith and God Bless the USA!
:)
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 30 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 20-Jun-2002 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (DanDude):
>Seriously, Ebay is intended to sell --used-- items unless it happens to be a >>.very rare and aged item.
ebay is for everthing including brand new g4 zif for example
Keep the community faith and God strike down dubya!!
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 31 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 20-Jun-2002 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (DanDude):
>Seriously, Ebay is intended to sell --used-- items unless it happens to be a >>.very rare and aged item.
ebay is for everthing including brand new g4 zif for example
Keep the community faith and God strike down dubya!!
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 32 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jun-2002 17:35 GMT
It definitely wasn't a hoax, unfortunately.
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 33 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 20-Jun-2002 19:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Kronos):
"Sure cause I don't have a PDA in the first place, but looking what others have
to offer (saw a link (here ?) to a 3d-carrace-game recently). Makes me wonder who would spend even $10 for such games. "
I hear you don't have a ppc either , funny really for one of the biggest morphos trolls around , i conclude your talking out of your arse mate. I suggest your stop *pretending* to save amiga with the rest of your buddies and really do something to help
"who would spend even $10 for such games." - Well if they get it working on Psion machines ( mmm series 7 :D gotta get one of those ) i'll take a copy as its bloody hard to get psion software you know.
BTw. I hope you understand even your great bplan etc team are aiming towards the pda sector , *cool* devices are one of the only growing sectors in the IT market place so supplying software that can run on multiple variations of such machines is a good idea.
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 34 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by NoBeForMe on 20-Jun-2002 20:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (cOrpse):
That's nice, Amiga DE is coming as standard on the new range of Psions. If there is a new range. If Psion even exist to sell it. Well, it's on the Zaurus for sure. Well, not exactly for sure. Well, not exactly on the Zaurus. A famous set top box company is using it. In tests. On monkeys. The monkeys hated it. It's on WinCE. It'll be on every new WinCE box, except those made by manufacturers you've heard of. We've sold a lot of units. Well, quite a few. Some. Nearly two dozen. And it won't actually run AmigaDE content. That's something to look forward to in the next version.
Linus Torvalds defines Anywhere: It ought to have an MMU, but I guess, if it doesn't, you could hack around that. NUMA is weird, but it will work
Amiga Inc defines Anywhere: Some PC-compatible computers with plenty of RAM and CPU, and a copy of Windows (must be recent version) or Linux (must be right distro)
Hyperion defines Anywhere: It works on both the ones we have. Usually.
Eyetech defines Anywhere: What are you talking about? There is no delay, and all the people we made sign a Non-disclosure agreement won't tell you any different unless you speak to them off the record.
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 35 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by The Blue Pill Junkie on 20-Jun-2002 20:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (3seas):
"Silly "Amiga" cult followers.... take something that is really nothing and blow
it up to be bigger then it is and then make it out like it's a hoax.
Gosh, hope Amiga stays in business, it helps in keeping track of the shadow fighters. "
BAHAHAHAHAHA!
You should talk!!! You've been fighting shadows for 15 years now!!!
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 36 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by SuicideKiss on 21-Jun-2002 05:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (NoBeForMe):
"That's nice, Amiga DE is coming as standard on the new range of Psions. If there is a new range. If Psion even exist to sell it. Well, it's on the Zaurus for sure. Well, not exactly for sure. Well, not exactly on the Zaurus. A famous set top box company is using it. In tests. On monkeys. The monkeys hated it. It's on WinCE. It'll be on every new WinCE box, except those made by manufacturers you've heard of. We've sold a lot of units. Well, quite a few. Some. Nearly two dozen. And it won't actually run AmigaDE content. That's something to look forward to in the next version."
If you knew what you were talking about you'd know psion planned to pull from the failed consumer market and you'd also know a series 3a is a serious kick in the nuts for most palms even now and the series 7... Well :D.
"Linus Torvalds defines Anywhere: It ought to have an MMU, but I guess, if it doesn't, you could hack around that. NUMA is weird, but it will work"
Hope you know linus considered amiga among many things before he bought the pc the spawned the original linux work? Linus didn't think amiga even then was good enough , bet that makes you feel great.
Btw . Linux is a kids operating system , try : www.openBSD.org :P
"Eyetech defines Anywhere: What are you talking about? There is no delay, and all the people we made sign a Non-disclosure agreement won't tell you any different unless you speak to them off the record."
I know Eyetech are good people , i've got many products from them thanks :) , and as for non-disclosure agreements , its better then telling you f*ck all aka what chipset.
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 37 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 21-Jun-2002 16:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (NoBeForMe):
Hehe
Although I don't I agree with much of what you said, it was at least funny and creative. Much better then the usual childish name calling you see here.
- Mike
Amiga Entertainment Pack #1 on Ebay : Comment 38 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Akimbo on 24-Jun-2002 00:43 GMT
I emailed Amiga about this at friend@amiga.com , and politely asked
them if this Ebay sale was authorized by Amiga and if they were aware
of it. To date, I have received no reply......
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