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Posted on 22-Jun-2002 01:07 GMT by Ian32 comments
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Fancy having a go with the other official operating system for the Amiga? Commodore Amiga UNIX affectionately known as AMIX can be downloaded from this page. You may need access to a tape drive to install it.
Amix : Comment 1 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Jun-2002 23:55 GMT
Well, here is a tape drive:
http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2033730131
No, it is not me who is selling this...
Amix : Comment 2 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Golem on 22-Jun-2002 00:31 GMT
Thank you, I expect Amiga Inc. is in the process of getting that site shut down :-/
Amix : Comment 3 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 22-Jun-2002 01:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Golem):
I'm not so sure Amiga even own it. Rumor has it during the "big Amiga juggle" one of the previous owners formatted the developer machine that contained the source code by mistake (a PC), and it didn't get listed as an asset when the assets were sold.
Just a rumor I heard. I'd be curious to know the legal standing of Amix, and the story behind the rumor too if possible ;)
Amix : Comment 4 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 22-Jun-2002 05:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (TBone):
Yes, maybe no one still owns Amix, but on the site they made a little mistake in offering download of something they must don't do...
Bye,
Raffaele
Amix : Comment 5 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 22-Jun-2002 06:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Raffaele):
"Yes, maybe no one still owns Amix, but on the site they made a little mistake in offering download of something they must don't do... "
"Bye "
Say what? I'm not sure what you meant.
Amix : Comment 6 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by guido on 22-Jun-2002 06:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (TBone):
You can find Amiga 3000 ROMs on this page. I don't think you can use them with any Amiga emulator, but's illegal..
Amix : Comment 7 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 22-Jun-2002 08:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (guido):
The Roms? yea, I'm quite sure they're illegal, er well, not illegal, but copyrighted. I doubt the roms should be there.
What about the OS? Who's got the scoop and the story about the OS? ;)
Amix : Comment 8 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 22-Jun-2002 09:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (TBone):
I've actual knowledge of this particular case, but my guess is that if the actual ownership of AMIX is lost from the recorded Amiga stock, then the copyright reverts to those people who actually wrote it.
It's very rare that "lost" IP simply defaults to the public domain, and I doubt very much if that is the case here. It's highly likely that the publishing of AMIX on that website is an infringement of someone's copyright, but it is questionable whether it actually deprives anyone of income or if the copyright holder will actually take action against it.
The ROM images are probably a different matter.
Amix : Comment 9 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by tlosm on 22-Jun-2002 10:35 GMT
the site is well but the download is really SlOOOooOoOOoOOow !
I think finish the downloading of AmiX in 2003 .....
bye
Amix : Comment 10 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 22-Jun-2002 10:57 GMT
Does this work on normal amiga's aka not specificaly made for amix ? it would be nice to try , ain't got a tape drive tho :(
Amix : Comment 11 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 22-Jun-2002 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (cOrpse):
I wonder if it is possible to create a partition on the HD, setting the filesystem by assigning and mounting it as a fake tape stream in the mountlist...
Bye,
Raffaele
Amix : Comment 12 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by guido on 22-Jun-2002 12:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Raffaele):
Hmm.. Why don't you use the adf or dms diskfiles ?
Amix : Comment 13 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Cyberslut on 22-Jun-2002 13:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (guido):
Those are just the boot disks, not the actual Unix.
There is a script floating around that will let you install it from a HDD partition, anyone?
Amix : Comment 14 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 22-Jun-2002 13:53 GMT
Whoops....
I was thinking of a normal installation Amiga By And To Amiga...
I was reading a book some minutes ago and I realized it is a Unix Self Installation... (at least I think it is of that nature)
It is the entire Unix procedure to be changed or cheated, and then it must be cheated the device also DEV_HDE/HDG (but obviously HDxxx it is the conventional name for the HD) or whatever name it has...
Bye,
Raffaele
Amix : Comment 15 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 22-Jun-2002 15:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Cyberslut):
How about faking a tape drive in UAE on windows / mac / morphos / amiga os even and just installing it to a hard image then moving it back to a real amiga ?
Amix : Comment 16 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 22-Jun-2002 15:01 GMT
Those rom files can be used with uae, just not as they stand. The A3000 used two rom chips with one supplying the lower bytes and one supplying the higher bytes. The two rom files would need to be interleaved into one bigger rom file, and that would work fine with uae.
To your average "WHERE FOR TO GET AMIGA ROMZ K PLZ THX" kiddie though, they're useless.
Amix : Comment 17 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 22-Jun-2002 15:04 GMT
The archive is corrupt anyway...
Amix : Comment 18 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 22-Jun-2002 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (cOrpse):
Amix will only run on:
A3000 and A2000+2630+2091.
While you could emulate the A3000/2091-SCSI-Controller if
you would add support for it to UAE, adding an MMU to the
CPU-emu would be an almost impossible task.
Amix : Comment 19 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Cyberslut on 22-Jun-2002 16:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (cOrpse):
Amiga UNIX will not run on UAE, it requires an MMU
Amix : Comment 20 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 23-Jun-2002 00:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 ([JC]):
Try downloading again, it verifies correctly here. I have a friend who's going to be tickled pink about this, she's been looking to replace the data on her old 3000UX tape for years! Splicing to no avail.
Well, it'll be good to see it run once, before she invaritably shoves it back in the closet ;)
Amix : Comment 21 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by RC on 23-Jun-2002 10:24 GMT
Considering it will only install and run on an A2500/A3000 I don't see any real issue here. Most of us with AMIX tapes are stuck with the problem of media failure. Tapes get old and the data on them dies along with them.
Other than that, AMIX (Amiga Unix, Unix V 4 for the Amiga Computer) is rather useless, and has many security holes...not exactly a safe OS to use for a server in todays world (Not to mention pointless: Apache exists for AmigaOS.) AMIX is, today, just a toy. Though it may be fun to play with a Unix CLI and an ancient version of X, it's not something you will want to use daily. Better stick to an Amiga BSD release if you want to do anything with Unix on your A3000, etc.
Amix : Comment 22 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 23-Jun-2002 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (TBone):
I meant the archive containing the A3000 roms. I get a file that is only 100KB long no matter how many times i try to download it.
Amix : Comment 23 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 23-Jun-2002 14:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 ([JC]):
As these ROMs don't include an OS (like the Kickstart)
but only a bootloader, this might be o.k., especially
if they were packed in any way.
Amix : Comment 24 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 23-Jun-2002 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (RC):
Yes RC, but Amix can be a good start point to study Unix-like systems...
Bye,
Raffaele
Amix : Comment 25 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by IC on 23-Jun-2002 21:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Golem):
Well I'd be surprised if Amiga Inc. even owned the copyright to AMIX. Infact the whole situation is totally blurry as to who does own AMIX, but with AMIX having probably next to no commercial value (if any) and the apparent loss of the source code I'd find it hard to believe that any action would be taken. Infact it's entirely possible that the true copyright holder doesn't even know they own the copyright. If nothing else, it'll help save it from bit-rot
Amix : Comment 26 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by IC on 23-Jun-2002 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (cOrpse):
Yes it will work on Amiga's not specifically made for AMIX, because the UX designated machines where nothing much more that standard Amiga's which shipped with AMIX supported hardware, which is of course also supported under AmigaOS. There is probably a strict range of hardware on which it will work and it'd be interesting to find out.
Amix : Comment 27 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by IC on 23-Jun-2002 21:25 GMT
Does anyone know what filesystem might be in use on the bootdisks for AMIX? I'm guessing it would be something like UFS, but maybe it's custom. Linux refuses to mount it but the "bootblock" at the start of the disk images might be confusing it.
Amix : Comment 28 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by IC on 23-Jun-2002 21:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (RC):
I don`t think anyone here is seriously suggesting that AMIX should be used as a modern server OS, infact I wouldn't use AmigaOS as a server OS but it's definately an interesting curiosity and a challenge for people to get working. Security regarding AMIX is a moot point if it's not going to be installed for public consumption.
Amix : Comment 29 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by IC on 23-Jun-2002 21:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Raffaele):
Yeah and if nothing else, AMIX might provide a reason to use that old A2410 that's lying around ;-)
Amix : Comment 30 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Nomad of Norad on 24-Jun-2002 13:56 GMT
Perhaps if enough people pushed for it, Amiga Inc might officially release the
Amix archives to CD-ROM or something... provide it on the next Amiga Forever disc, even.
Just a thought. :-)
NoN
Amix : Comment 31 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by DruggedBunny on 25-Jun-2002 14:42 GMT
1) Get over it -- it's been there for ages;
2) My copy of the real thing (with tape drive & manuals) arrived today!
Amix : Comment 32 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Hart on 26-Jun-2002 14:47 GMT
You know, the Amiga Community -I guess today's community- is very different than the one I was apart of almost ten years ago. I put up the site on AMIX because nobody else had and I was trying to save it from fading from computer history. Outside of a select group of folks, most of the people posting here really don't 'get it'. As I have observed now, the Amiga Community just complains and flames each other thus making the community an unfriendly group.
Looking at my site and the comments I have read so far, I guess I should pull the Amiga 3000 SuperKick ROM files. However, at the time I was swept away with 'AMIX Fever' and maybe I should have given more thought to posting them. I thought having them in bin prom format would keep the UAE leeches from using them and would make legal Amiga folks happy. I haven't had anyone complain in the many emails I have gotten over the past 6 months or so, but I will probably pull them.
I guess I thought most Amiga fans would be happy that a group of other Amiga Fans took a great deal of time and effort to bring back a copy of AMIX for everyone to study, browse, and just re-live some history. I'm sure some of you will find this odd, but I actually felt gratitude towards folks like Richard and Matt who not only helped get AMIX and the support disks but also posted on how to write the files back to tape so you could install it if you had the right hardware.
Mark
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