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[News] Amithlon lives on!ANN.lu
Posted on 23-Jun-2002 22:12 GMT by Budda21 comments
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An interesting message lingers at amithlon.net
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 1 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselš on 23-Jun-2002 20:21 GMT
It seems the announcement was leaked on Moobunny:
http://flyingmice.com/squid/cgi/moobunnythread.pl/amiga?flat=73852
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 2 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jun-2002 20:41 GMT
How can stuff like this actually "leak" ?
Id rather think it was "put" there because
its faster than updating a corporate website.
Or maybe Im wrong :)
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 3 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 23-Jun-2002 22:19 GMT
I love this part of the posting on moobunny...
I have also been impressed by the moral and ethical integrity that Bernie has displayed as he has partnered with Amiga. Too often in the past we have had to deal with companies who would like nothing better than to split the Amiga community. Bernie has always had the best interests of the community at heart and has created a product that we can all be truly proud of.?
hehehe...so I wonder who Bill McEwen was speaking of? ;)
coldfire
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 4 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by 4pLaY on 23-Jun-2002 22:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (coldfire):
Maybe something that starts with the letter B? ;-).
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 5 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 23-Jun-2002 22:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (coldfire):
> hehehe...so I wonder who Bill McEwen was speaking of? ;)
Oh, I can think of a FEW candidates actually.
(hint: a "few" means "more than one")
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 6 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 24-Jun-2002 02:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (4pLaY):
B as in Ben
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 7 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Jun-2002 03:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (anon):
B as in bPlan
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 8 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by cheese on 24-Jun-2002 04:04 GMT
looks good, glad to see amithlon being 'legal' again.
i wonder how h&p are involved. or is amino stealing thier 3.9?
hope the price is not a lot just to satisfy amino venture capital
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 9 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 24-Jun-2002 09:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (coldfire):
> Too often in the past we have had to deal with companies who would like
> nothing better than to split the Amiga community.
Back in the Real World, the one outside some windows in a Snoqualmie office complex, this is more commonly known as "competition for marketshare".
We, the "community" (i.e. current AmigaOS users) are not your property, Amiga Inc.
If you want our money you do what a company does to earn money - you offer a more attractive product than your competitors. Labelling competitors as an evil force working to "split" the "community" for shits and giggles is not the proper way to achieve that goal, neither are accusations of illegal conduct nor is trying to make a licensed trademark look valuable by telling threatening fairytales about "substandard" products.
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 10 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 24-Jun-2002 12:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Seehund):
LOL! Unidirectional rose-tinted glasses.
Love it!
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 11 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 24-Jun-2002 12:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (cheese):
If you were to check your AmigaOS 3.9 software, you'll notice all the OS components and stuff have an Amiga copyright message, not a Haage & Partner one.
I obviously don't know the details, but I'm told Amiga Inc are the copyright holders and can distribute OS 3.9 as they like. However, for reasons best known to themselves, of source code to the OS 3.9 additions was not covered, so H&P require Amiga Inc to buy those back before they will release them, which Amiga Inc are unwilling to do.
It does look like Haage & Parner actually OWNING OS3.9 is a bit of a myth, but I suspect the full details of that particular deal to be extremely murky.
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 12 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 24-Jun-2002 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Bill Hoggett):
"It does look like Haage & Parner actually OWNING OS3.9 is a bit of a myth, but I suspect the full details of that particular
deal to be extremely murky. "
I suspect the deal was done carelessly and lots of things are not
spelt out. That's how these disagreements arise.
You can bet that the agreement for AmigaOS 4 is legally watertight,
anyway.
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 13 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 24-Jun-2002 16:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Seehund):
> Back in the Real World, the one outside some windows in a Snoqualmie
> office complex, this is more commonly known as "competition for
> marketshare".
Aren't you the same person petitioning to have OS 4.0 run on as many POP platforms as possible. Licensing agreements are one way to ensure your marketshare and intellectual property are protected. It's odd seeing the words like "competition" coming out of your keyboard since it's obvious you'd like to see the playing field levelled by having OS 4.0 run on the Pegasos. Let's see how well the Pegasos/MorphOS machine "competes" against the AmigaOne/OS4.0 machine.
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 14 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Mike on 24-Jun-2002 20:39 GMT
I suspect, after seeing the $50 dollar voucher deal, that Amiga are in a bit of a pickle money wise. It's about time they pulled thier had out of thier arse and offered a product people want, and can afford, and can actually physically buy - NOW.
Stop burning money on products nobody wants: the AmigaDE/AA - turns your $300 PDA into a lousy rendition of a GameBoy.
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 15 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 25-Jun-2002 05:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Adam Kowalczyk):
Just seehund and his unidirectional rose tinted glasses again, he probably cant see you so dont worry.
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 16 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 25-Jun-2002 10:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Adam Kowalczyk):
Adam,
> Aren't you the same person petitioning to have OS 4.0 run on as many POP
> platforms as possible.
Yes. Well, I believe that removing the compulsory licensing/bundling/dongling is a prerequisite to make that possible in the first place. Surely you're not disagreeing with that *goal* at least, i.e. having our favourite OS run on as much hardware as possible?
> Licensing agreements are one way to ensure your marketshare and intellectual
> property are protected.
Yes, if it's your marketshare and your IP. For Amiga Inc., hardware belongs in neither category. Amiga Inc. doesn't have anything to do with hardware, remember? Amiga Inc's marketshare is to be cut out from the OS market. How does one ensure the biggest possible marketshare by artificially limiting what hardware one's OS is allowed to run on?
> It's odd seeing the words like "competition" coming out of your keyboard
> since it's obvious you'd like to see the playing field levelled by having OS
> 4.0 run on the Pegasos.
I'm not following your reasoning here. OS4+ is Amiga Inc's product (well, it's based on their IP anyway), hardware is not.
What does me saying that Amiga Inc. should make AmigaOS an attractive (==competitive) product have to do with what you're writing?
There's no playing field to be levelled, because Amiga Inc. is not on the hardware playing field, at least they don't belong there. Right now it's like if Amiga Inc. has placed its entire paycheck on a bet with impossible odds in a game and now it's sitting in the audience, shouting its advice to the coaches and players on that playing field, confident that someone will heed it and this will make the bet a winning one. (And I and the petitioners are standing outside the arena, shouting that Amiga Inc. should retract the bet before the game has started and go back to work... ;) )
To me it seems like you're looking at a commodity like hardware as something that is somehow inseparably connected to Amiga Inc. and its software product, that Amiga Inc. has anything to do with funding or development of hardware and that hardware thus has to be "protected" by Amiga Inc. If that was the case I could very well understand your point. If you really think this is the case there's not much more to discuss, we just have to agree to disagree.
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 17 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 25-Jun-2002 10:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (DaveW):
DaveW,
I'd appreciate if you'd at least bother to address people in second person singular when you're participating in a discussion. There's a good chance that the ones you make derogatory remarks about are reading what you're writing in a public forum.
Now, was there something you wanted to discuss?
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 18 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 25-Jun-2002 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Seehund):
Seehund, you really don't get it do you? Amiga isn't preventing anyone from licensing the OS from them. It is the licensing agreement that has your shorts/knickers in a knot. I'd like to see more hardware capable of running the OS, but under the appropriate licensing agreement. You must be able to see that releasing the OS for use on many POP boards hurts one or more of Amiga's closest partners (Eyetech, possibly Elbox). Amiga and Hyperion would do well in selling more copies of the OS, but the one or two companies that have supplied hardware would put in an unfair situation considering they've done a lot in getting us new hardware. This is fundamentally why I think you should shove that ideological petition of yours in your backside orifice. We've only lost one option as far as POP boards are concerned. When the AmigaOneXE materializes, the Pegasos will truly be a moot point. I'd suggest you take that focused energy of yours and lobby an organization that would be willing to support the Pegasos or whatever POP board you would like to see run OS 4.0 under an appropriate licensed arrangement.
If you're petition signatories put their money where their mouth is, they should be willing to support the licensing of the bPlan board. My support for the AmigaOne with OS4.0 is crystal clear. Stop standing behind the touch-feely petition for a minute and tell ANN which solution you support. I do not believe your apparent non-partisan stand.
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 19 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 25-Jun-2002 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Adam Kowalczyk):
Why even bother trying to explain? I get the impression that some peoples understanding of businesses
and competition is not only tempered by prejudice but by teenage ideals.
You are only duplicating the work of others attempting to explain it before and after
the deliberate attempt to demolish Amiga Incs reputation with the community, prospective
purchasers and LinuxPPC.org membership that was spearheaded by a guy not a million miles
above this post.
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 20 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 25-Jun-2002 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Seehund):
"There's a good chance that the ones you make derogatory remarks about are reading what you're writing in a public forum."
That's the point. You're proving yourself to be not too swift in "getting the point". Pretending to want to "discuss" things...yet you go about a petition against Amiga Inc.'s policies. You're funny, and make me laugh. I'm sure you tried talking with Amiga first, and when you weren't happy with the results you started the petition. So the petition happenned after discussions with Amiga Inc, right?
Amithlon lives on! : Comment 21 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 25-Jun-2002 13:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (DaveW):
"Why even bother trying to explain? I get the impression that some peoples understanding of businesses and competition is not only tempered by prejudice but by teenage ideals."
Compiling some programs and got some time to burn off before my AmigaOne board gets here! My "Officially sanctioned, complete with licensed OS4.0, AmigaOne"
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