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Posted on 24-Jun-2002 04:22 GMT by Johan "Graak" Forsberg128 comments
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There's a new, VERY interesting Executive Update at Amiga Inc's website.
New Executive Update : Comment 1 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Mekanix (62.243.18.12) on 24-Jun-2002 02:40 GMT
Yikes... Bill's "updates" gets harder and harder to 99% buzzwords and marketinghype... 1% news.
So Amithlon is back on track (thumbs up)... and not one sign of an attack on the MOS-team... have Amiga Inc. taken a "stand down" on the issue? And OS4 is still set for proprietary hardware.
New Executive Update : Comment 2 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by borkbork (200.221.10.240) on 24-Jun-2002 03:03 GMT
LOL! They *still* seem to think that there will be "new Amigas", and even that the generic hardware being sold is a product of Amiga Inc. Pathetic. Ummm, no, "exciting". Too bad there are too few clueless zealots around to believe your garbage and buy an Amiga Inc-tainted mobo. So, how many "AmigaOnes" will "you" build?
"The Cell phones, and the Amiga systems will be shipped as soon as they are available." ROTFL!!! Yeah, why not promise 10 AmigaDE-powered ASCI White systems to a happy winner while you're at it.
OK, one concrete piece of information for the poor sods who bought the PartyPack, I suppose that could be "VERY interesting" for them. The Amithlon announcement was more noteworthy.
New Executive Update : Comment 3 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (80.62.224.221) on 24-Jun-2002 03:08 GMT
What if you don't wanna go to Hawaii or Florida???
Really don't get those pre-ordering schemes..
New Executive Update : Comment 4 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (66.57.220.88) on 24-Jun-2002 03:24 GMT
It's obvious the trolls like to stay awake all night. Must not have a life.
New Executive Update : Comment 5 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate (211.28.96.8) on 24-Jun-2002 03:51 GMT
heh looks like amino is out of money again
it's not like they have to redeam the 100 dollars for the party pack for another year or more till a1/0s4 is avaible ;)
at least last time they had a product.. but i take issue with mr mcewan's comments that purchasers of the party pack could use de and sdk.
party pack is not the sdk according to amino and does not get any sdk updatte
party pack de does not run any .ami (de) games.
New Executive Update : Comment 6 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström (217.150.160.130) on 24-Jun-2002 03:57 GMT
Hmm, the free stuff thingie doesn't work anyway. So I guess I won'y apply for that one.
/Björn
New Executive Update : Comment 7 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Kent (216.40.249.60) on 24-Jun-2002 04:01 GMT
For Amiga Inc's sake I hope that nobody outside of "The Community" will read these ridiculous updates.
"You have all been patient, more than understanding, and have dealt with more misinformation, disinformation and rumors than any one group of people should, ever."
Yeah, we know, we all read your website and the garbage and conjecture you and your "partners" are spreading. How about either shutting up or telling the truth sometimes?
"One request: If you find this information as positive as we do, share it with someone."
Do your own damn marketing, unless you pay me of course.
"REAL opportunities will soon be here for all of us in the Amiga Community."
You are not part of us, the "community". We are your customers.
"we decide on a number of units to build and then we see, from web hits and direct inquiries, that there are 5 times as many people who are interested in the AmigaOne than we knew were out there. You can file that under "Beyond Our Expectations"."
No, that is filed under "so many unique HTTP requests were made from people who wanted to see screenshots of some OS4 components running under 68k". It has fuck all to do with a POP motherboard. Also, it's up to Eyetech to decide how many of those mobos they'll order.
"We are really pleased that the hardware is out there, and that the Amiga community is going to have the first new hardware designed for them, with their own operating system, in a long, long time."
Stop with the obvious lies at least, please. The people who designed those POP mobos have probably never heard of AmigaOS.
*I* don't want any hardware designed for me. *You* don't make any hardware designed for me. So far, so good! Now sell me your OS.
"the features and benefits that you have told us that you, The Community, want in a new Amiga."
Oh shut up. If Intel, Motorola, Sony or nVidia bought the Amiga trademark, then maybe "a new Amiga" would be a feasible idea. That hasn't happened, and we all know there will be no new Amigas. We don't want any, unless there's a BIG enough company backing up development and sales. Stop fucking pretending.
"the Amiga Anywhere Content Engine."
Yeah, introduce another meaningless designation with the "content" buzzword. That'll help your explanation. Why not just say "we renamed the 'AmigaDE-Player'"?
"However it allowed us to show to our board and our investors that we should pursue building a new Amiga computer."
WILL YOU F*CKING STOP IT ALREADY!?
"We need to properly plan, budget, and order for the production of the AmigaOne."
No, you don't. Hardware is the job of your licencees, remember? Or are you suggesting that the currently sole licensee will - *gasp* - always be the sole licensee? What a surprise! Not.
The numbers of current and potential Amiga users are nothing but bizarre. 30000 subscribers of "Amiga related" magazines? Is MacWorld "Amiga related" because they mention 68k and PPC CPUs?
"OK one more - hit 50,000 orders Amiga will give away 100 systems, 100 Amiga Enabled Cell Phones 3 trips for 2 to either Hawaii or Florida."
"The Cell phones, and the Amiga systems will be shipped as soon as they are available."
ROTFL. Seriously. This is the funniest thing I've read in a LONG while. It's like something on SA.
The expression "The Community" is being used as if we're the property of AI. From the Amithlon update: "we have had to deal with companies who would like nothing better than to split the Amiga community". Yeah well, tough luck Bill, but Gateway didn't sell us, our different needs and different wishes to you. The individuals of "The Community"(TM) have nothing more in common than that we're using AmigaOS. Don't make any assumptions and generalizations beyond that.
New Executive Update : Comment 8 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström (217.150.160.130) on 24-Jun-2002 04:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Then don't go ;)
/Björn
New Executive Update : Comment 9 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrat (211.28.96.8) on 24-Jun-2002 04:03 GMT
anyway the cheque won't be valid next year when os4 is out and amino is bankrupt
New Executive Update : Comment 10 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (211.28.96.8) on 24-Jun-2002 04:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
> It's obvious the trolls like to stay awake all night. Must not have a life.
You do know that it's not night all around the world at the same time?
New Executive Update : Comment 11 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström (217.150.160.130) on 24-Jun-2002 04:06 GMT
It would be very neat with a login and ignore function on ANN.
/Björn
New Executive Update : Comment 12 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox (62.254.64.5) on 24-Jun-2002 04:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (borkbork):
"They *still* seem to think that there will be "new Amigas", and even that the generic
hardware being sold is a product of Amiga Inc."
Badging is a standard procedure in modern industry. go into a camera
shop and you will see shelves full of consumer-grade cameras labelled
Nikon, Canon, etc which are not made or designed by them, but selected
by the badging companies as being good enough for them to put their
names on and distribute.
Just as with the AmigaOne, they may ask the manufacturers to make
minor tweaks to the design. Unless the order is for a very big number,
these tweaks have to be very minor.
The badged product carries the reputation of the brand name. If Nikon
sold rubbish cameras with their name on, it would impact the brand
image.
New Executive Update : Comment 13 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate (211.28.96.8) on 24-Jun-2002 04:07 GMT
any wagers that none of the money raised in this bizzare raffle will be
spent on 0s4 (hyperion) and a1 (eyetech? )?
come on samface ... ;)
New Executive Update : Comment 14 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Syke (195.100.174.59) on 24-Jun-2002 04:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Kent):
Hey,
I'm gonna buy the $50 coupon AND I'm going to inform people about this. HAH!
Watcha gonna do? Nothing, because I don't give a flying f*ck about what you say or do. Get it? You can write whatever you want, but I won't care nor listen.
So hey, why not just stop with your bullshit trolling and get a new life?
I'll give you $10 for a new life, heck, if you get one now, I'll throw in a haircut as well, FOR FREE!
New Executive Update : Comment 15 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll (210.86.50.167) on 24-Jun-2002 04:42 GMT
I thought this update was interesting and the $50 off coupon is very enticing. Thats all I have to say.
Theres so many negative remarks so far, I have to try and balance it with a positive one.
New Executive Update : Comment 16 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström (217.150.160.130) on 24-Jun-2002 04:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Syke):
Don't worry about it, Some people are best left ignored.
/Björn
New Executive Update : Comment 17 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Syke (195.100.174.59) on 24-Jun-2002 04:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Björn Hagström):
Ah well, sometimes you just have to. ;-)
New Executive Update : Comment 18 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse (195.93.50.187) on 24-Jun-2002 05:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (cheesegrate):
It really does hurt amiga inc being nice peeps dun it .
Nice update tho :D
New Executive Update : Comment 19 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by priest (192.100.124.218) on 24-Jun-2002 05:37 GMT
My thoughts: :)
;)
New Executive Update : Comment 20 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by NeRP (216.232.23.227) on 24-Jun-2002 06:12 GMT
I've already purchased my coupon, and I think it's quite a good way of
weeding out the people that would want to screw with a poll. Not too
many people are willing to dish out $50US to have one vote to tilt a
poll like this. To anyone thinking of buying an AmigaOne already,
there is virtually nothing to risk, except *maybe* $50.
And to you sacks of shit out there...
Why is it that some of you complain that it's a CUSTOM motherboard,
then other sacks of shit like 'borkbork' say it's just a 'generic
amiga inc tainted motherboard'?
Well, to be honest, the AmigaOne and Pegasos motherboards are
basically what the average high end Amiga system is now, just simply
minus the hacks and the AGA/ECS ability. My Amiga system is hacked to
have things the AmigaOne/Pegasos will have (PCI, for instance) built
in, and my Amiga hasn't outputted a native Amiga screen in probably a
year and a half...
I'm willing to bet that any of the people who actually own high end
Amigas, and have PROVEN they'll spend money on the Amiga system they
love, have no complaints about the AmigaOne/Pegasos systems as
motherboards for the next generation Amiga.
New Executive Update : Comment 21 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen (213.188.132.229) on 24-Jun-2002 06:46 GMT
I don't know what to say. If they were right in front of the actual production, then I could see the point. But at this point, there's no guaranty that either AmigaOne or AmigaOS4 will be released. They should have waited until they could have shown AmigaOS4 running on AmigaOne.
My opinion, however.
New Executive Update : Comment 22 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by cheese (211.28.96.40) on 24-Jun-2002 06:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (cOrpse):
how is amino being nice exactly?
bill mcewan clown is saying they have to build and order a1 when they are not
and give us money for this when they will use the money for something else?
maybe eyetech and hyperion should stand up now and tell them where to go??
i havent' seen a cynical money grab since... well the party pack actually.
and the haven't even designed or made the t-shirts..
hilarious actually
notice there were no prizes for 1000 units sold???
as for loosing money come on bill.. the only reason u guys hpyed and sold the party pack is because amino was out of money...
splitting the community is not as bad as shamelessly exploiting the community which is what these clowns are doing..
but some people obviously enjoy being 'fleeced..'
New Executive Update : Comment 23 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (211.28.96.8) on 24-Jun-2002 07:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (cheese):
> and the haven't even designed or made the t-shirts..
Oh NO!!!!!! They won't have time!!!! Quick, don't buy an AmigaOne, an insider has let it be known that they havent got the t-shirts ready!!!!!!
New Executive Update : Comment 24 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot (193.253.63.196) on 24-Jun-2002 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
"In Reply to Comment 22:
> and the haven't even designed or made the t-shirts..
Oh NO!!!!!! They won't have time!!!! Quick, don't buy an AmigaOne, an insider has let it be known that they havent got the t-shirts ready!!!!!! "
ROTFL
They'd probably be wiser giving away condoms instead. That way maybe the next generation might contain fewer trolls and idiots ;-)
New Executive Update : Comment 25 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström (217.150.160.130) on 24-Jun-2002 07:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (anarchic_teapot):
There aren't enough Amiga users left to make a measurable impact on that.
/Björn
New Executive Update : Comment 26 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate (211.28.96.8) on 24-Jun-2002 07:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (anarchic_teapot):
>>contain fewer trolls and idiots ;-)
u can talk ms fanatic_crackpot after ure performance on the thendic thread..
now go back to the a1 list. i don't want to see u hear again..
New Executive Update : Comment 27 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström (217.150.160.130) on 24-Jun-2002 07:48 GMT
A kingdom for moderation!
/Björn
New Executive Update : Comment 28 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi (194.251.240.106) on 24-Jun-2002 08:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Well if someone wins trip to havaiji or florida and don't want to go there then GIVE THAT TRIP TO ME :D I want to go there :)
New Executive Update : Comment 29 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa (209.86.181.101) on 24-Jun-2002 09:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
I'm *IN* Florida, I don't want to vacation here! Hawaii? Now that sounds sweet:-D
New Executive Update : Comment 30 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler (217.228.212.18) on 24-Jun-2002 11:02 GMT
This promotion (price draw) is illegal in Germany. It violates Germany's law
against unfair competition (UWG).
New Executive Update : Comment 31 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett (212.159.161.9) on 24-Jun-2002 11:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (David Scheibler):
I think there's a similar law in the UK. That's why they all include the "no purchase necessary" clause in their small print.
OTOH, this promotion is being held in the US, so it will fall under US law. I think that for the same reason, all the discounts mentioned will only apply to goods bought from Amiga Inc, and not to those bought from the European vendors, but I could be wrong.
New Executive Update : Comment 32 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Graham (62.253.128.5) on 24-Jun-2002 11:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (David Scheibler):
Shame it is being held in America then, under American laws, eh?
Sheesh. To all the trolls on here, just f*ck off and die, or shut the f*ck up.
When you ask for the AmigaOne people to not post trolls in your MorphOS topics and then you go and troll in the AmigaOne topics all the time incessantly, f*cking hypocrites and scum, the lot of you.
If you don't care about the AmigaOne, then don't read ANN. Simple, eh? Don't tell the people who are interested in the *Amiga* not to read an Amiga news site.
This site desperately needs moderation and user accounts, and the ability to ignore anonymous posts.
New Executive Update : Comment 33 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Leif (213.66.80.243) on 24-Jun-2002 11:27 GMT
The executive update reached 1.02 on the WankoMeter scale,
could have been much worse :)
New Executive Update : Comment 34 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Graham (62.253.128.5) on 24-Jun-2002 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Leif):
Erm, I am sure I have just misread or misunderstood what you just wrote, but I didn't find anything in that update that made me want to have a wank. So I suppose you are correct with a score of 1 out of 10 using the hotornot rating scale.
New Executive Update : Comment 35 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Leif (213.66.80.243) on 24-Jun-2002 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Graham):
The WankoMeter:
http://www.cynicalbastards.com/martin-phatcatz/cgi-bin/wanko?toss=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.microsoft.com&x=51&y=8
New Executive Update : Comment 36 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk (24.150.71.161) on 24-Jun-2002 12:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anders Kjeldsen):
I haven't decided what's worse, cynics or zealots. I thought the executive update was done in good taste as was very positive. Too many parties are in this to succeed. I don't see how the hardware or the software won't get released. Hardware has already been released to the AmigaOne developers. This isn't an oppinion, this is a fact. It's just a matter of time now before OS 4.0 will run on the boards.
Keep up the good work Bill!
New Executive Update : Comment 37 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa (209.86.181.101) on 24-Jun-2002 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Adam Kowalczyk):
Well unforunately there are anonymous nut bags hell bent on saying or doing ANY possible to discredit Amiga Inc. Pretty pathetic really.
New Executive Update : Comment 38 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin (207.191.13.205) on 24-Jun-2002 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (NeRP):
>>I've already purchased my coupon
OK, I must be going blind as I can't see/find any link to purchase this coupon. Would somebody with better eyesight than mine please tell me where to go so I can do so. To Bill (if he reads this): How about putting a direct link to the order form in the update :)
I have to say that this update looks wonderfull, and I'm sure it comes as a great relief to the Party Pack purchasers who have been wondering about their $100 for many months now. One less thing for the MOS camp to attack...
New Executive Update : Comment 39 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE (64.112.192.25) on 24-Jun-2002 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (David Scheibler):
It's probably illegal in the US, pyramid schemes have been illegal since the 1920's or so.
New Executive Update : Comment 40 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Syke (195.100.174.59) on 24-Jun-2002 12:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Darrin):
Try clicking on the Cart/Wagon image on the page linked from the Executive Update?
New Executive Update : Comment 41 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Derf (194.117.133.196) on 24-Jun-2002 12:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Darrin):
>>I've already purchased my coupon
>OK, I must be going blind as I can't see/find any link to purchase this coupon. Would somebody with better eyesight than mine please tell me where to go so I can do so. To Bill (if he reads this): How about putting a direct link to the order form in the update :)
There is a direct link on the update, but here it is anyway
http://www.amiga-anywhere.com/shop.php?cat_id=22&prod_id=41
New Executive Update : Comment 42 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Derf (194.117.133.196) on 24-Jun-2002 12:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (MIKE):
If this is a pyramid scheme then its a very flat pyramid ;-)
New Executive Update : Comment 43 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C (193.113.57.161) on 24-Jun-2002 12:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Bill Hoggett):
Bill, I'm sure that isn`t the same issue here.
Scenario 1:
Go into a Tesco, Sainsbury`s Asda etc, Supermarket, Spend £25 quid and get a 5p off per litre of Petrol at their service station.
Scenario 2:
I went to HMV a couple of months back and got a £100 money off voucher against various goods.
I am sure the Amiga offer is in essence the same thing
Mikey C
New Executive Update : Comment 44 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin (207.191.13.205) on 24-Jun-2002 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Derf):
@ Syke & Derf: Thanks, it's confirmed - I AM BLIND!!! I'd better get a 40" monitor to go with my AmigaOne ;) Order placed.
New Executive Update : Comment 45 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (217.36.22.25) on 24-Jun-2002 12:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (anarchic_teapot):
It's a loan. A bad loan. This is your drunken / drug-addicted friend, coming round to your house and saying "Hey, about that $100 you loaned me". When your eyes light up because he's been avoiding the subject for a WHOLE YEAR, and you figure now he's finally going to pay you back - right then he says "Thanks for that, and I *promise* I'll give it back, but right now I need another $50"
To the drunk, promising you a "free" beer bought with the money you've just lent him, sounds like a good compromise. Everyone likes beer right? Beer and T-shirts? And a holiday, well, a microscopic chance of a holiday.
Rose, you like to make a big thing of your financial know-how -- tell the nice people what investments experts say about lending money to a private company. Tell them where they'll be in the queue if AInc goes into bankruptcy.
New Executive Update : Comment 46 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Derf (194.117.133.196) on 24-Jun-2002 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (cheese):
>how is amino being nice exactly?
well the thought of winning an AmigaOne or a holiday seems good to me
>bill mcewan clown is saying they have to build and order a1 when they are not
>and give us money for this when they will use the money for something else?
>maybe eyetech and hyperion should stand up now and tell them where to go??
how about you point out the part where you think he says this? as all i can see is Bill trying to promote the product that makes Amiga/Hyperion/Eyetech money. all their products are linked together you know...
>i havent' seen a cynical money grab since... well the party pack actually.
>and the haven't even designed or made the t-shirts..
Am i the only one here that see's that you pay $50 for a voucher worth.. wow! an amazing $50. Only people that are going to get an AmigaOne are going to do it anyway, and as for the t-shirt comment, well you're a fool really arn't you :o)
>hilarious actually
yes, yes you are :o)
>notice there were no prizes for 1000 units sold???
there wasnt a prize for 500 units sold aswell so.. erm, so what ? why not a prize for 1000000000 as well !!!!! *sigh*
>as for loosing money come on bill.. the only reason u guys hpyed and sold the >party pack is because amino was out of money...
and the money off voucher for AOS4/AmigaOne which is still valid
>but some people obviously enjoy being 'fleeced..'
sunlights out now.. better get home before you turn to stone...
New Executive Update : Comment 47 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett (212.159.186.80) on 24-Jun-2002 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Mikey C):
Hi Mike,
It's the offer of giving you a chance to win all sorts of freebies if they get enough orders that makes this different from simple discount coupon schemes.
Basically they're talking about prize draws, and AFAIK making someone buy a product before they can enter a prize draw is illegal in this country. I might be wrong though. I'm no lawyer.
New Executive Update : Comment 48 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Derf (194.117.133.196) on 24-Jun-2002 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Bill Hoggett):
i have seen many things where 'if you buy' you will be entered into a free prize draw in the UK.
mainly in junk mail but hey.. ;-)
New Executive Update : Comment 49 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk@cogeco.ca (24.150.71.161) on 24-Jun-2002 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (redrumloa):
I think the voucher idea is a good way for Amiga Inc. to get a good feel for the demand. It's not like it's a $750.00 USD voucher "Good for one (1) AmigaOne motherboard" $50.00 USD is very pallatable and should serve it's purpose well. It's also about investor confidence as well. The number of vouchers that sell will give clear indication of the support for Amiga and it's partners.
New Executive Update : Comment 50 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW (194.196.110.14) on 24-Jun-2002 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Bill Hoggett):
For prize draws initiated in the UK yes, you should always be able to apply by mail
for a free entry ticket.
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