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Posted on 24-Jun-2002 04:22 GMT by Johan "Graak" Forsberg128 comments
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There's a new, VERY interesting Executive Update at Amiga Inc's website.
New Executive Update : Comment 51 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 24-Jun-2002 13:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
If you don't want to go to Hawaii or Florida (I would, lived in both places) and win the ticket you can give it to me. Thanks.
As for not getting the preorders I don't think it could be any clearer. If a company doesn't sell a product or even shows that the user base is there, there is no in-flow of hard cash and you can kiss your favorite system goodbye.
New Executive Update : Comment 52 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by cheeseg on 24-Jun-2002 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Derf):
well the thought of winning an AmigaOne or a holiday seems good to me
LOL
>how about you point out the part where you think he says this? as all i can see >is Bill trying to promote the product that makes Amiga/Hyperion/Eyetech money. >all their products are linked together you know...
amino has no involvement with os4 and for that matter a1 apart from the letting them use the name
>Am i the only one here that see's that you pay $50 for a voucher worth.. wow! an >amazing $50.
a voucher for a product you cannot buy. same goes with teh party pack check and you have sheep saying oh look amino has fufilled it's commitements with partyu pack vouchers.. can u sheep not see those checks are worthless till a1/0s4 is released (6-12 months) .. amino have not done anything apart to ask for more money for no effort. if u really want to support os4/a1 send your money to eyetech/hyperion and not to these dot com clowns ;)-
>anyway, and as for the t-shirt comment, well you're a fool really arn't you :o)
no well act a design would have been good, in fact they should have thrown a free sdk1.0 cause that's about what it's worth
>hilarious actually
>>yes, yes you are :o)
thanks ! lP
>>there wasnt a prize for 500 units sold aswell so.. erm, so what ?
meaning that the raffle is a sham and they wil never get 2500 so they won't have to give out any mythical prizes
>>and the money off voucher for AOS4/AmigaOne which is still valid
seee above
sure it'll be valid till amino go bankrupt and eyetech/hyperiuon can deliver a cheaper product cause they don't have to pay teh parasite licencing fees to amino clowns.
>but some people obviously enjoy being 'fleeced..'
>>sunlights out now.. better get home before you turn to stone...
well at least i'm not at the farm going bahhhhhh ;)
New Executive Update : Comment 53 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 24-Jun-2002 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
I'd trust giving A-Inc $50 more than I'd trust P5/DCE/bPlan $500-$1000. So what's your point? $50 is pocket change! When I run out of toilet paper I wipe my a$$ with $50 bills:-D
New Executive Update : Comment 54 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 24-Jun-2002 13:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (cheeseg):
>meaning that the raffle is a sham and they wil never get 2500 so they won't
>have to give out any mythical prizes
Does that mean if and when it goes over 2500 you will shut the hell up?
New Executive Update : Comment 55 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by cheeegrate on 24-Jun-2002 13:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (redrumloa):
can u send me some of your special toilet paper then mate ;)
New Executive Update : Comment 56 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 24-Jun-2002 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (cheeegrate):
LOL! Nope;-)
New Executive Update : Comment 57 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 24-Jun-2002 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (DaveW):
And the address you have to write to is on the _inside_ of the label
on the cat food can.
New Executive Update : Comment 58 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 24-Jun-2002 13:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anders Kjeldsen):
> But at this point, there's no guaranty that either AmigaOne or AmigaOS4
> will be released.
There's a 100% chance the AmigaOne will be released, because it already has
been (in limited numbers so far).
Anyway, I can't see them getting more than 1,000 orders or so this way, if
only because the time frame is so short.
New Executive Update : Comment 59 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Derf on 24-Jun-2002 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (ehaines):
im honestly tempted, and i havnt bought Amiga hardware since 94 :oD
*pats 1200 with super fast 030/33* :o)
New Executive Update : Comment 60 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 24-Jun-2002 13:30 GMT
It seems to me that the closer Amiga Inc gets to launching the new AmigaOne/OS4.0 the louder the MOS gang gets. To me this is an indicator of Amiga's threat to their own future plans. Amiga, which they claimed ran out of money and halted OS4 a year ago, is now poised to crush the MOS movement once and for all. Let them cry all they want but their game will soon be over.
Long live Amiga
- Mike
New Executive Update : Comment 61 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 24-Jun-2002 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Mike Veroukis):
mike you really are hilarious. please stop seeing conspiracies in your head.
>>It seems to me that the closer Amiga Inc gets
to what? bankrupcy ;)
>>which they claimed ran out of money and halted OS4 a year ago,
it was true that amino ran out of money and os4 was halted but these two things have nothing to do with each other because amino HAS NEVER PUT A CENT INTO AOS development.
>>is now poised to crush the MOS movement once and for all.
lol
>>Long live Amiga
don't u mean long live the amiga community oh that's right you're anotehr corporate sheep, sorry mistook you for an inteligent person
New Executive Update : Comment 62 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 24-Jun-2002 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (cheesegrate):
funny thing is you haven't noticed that bpaln/mos don't give a shit about desktop amiga computing , they want to sell you pda's and pegasos dev stations. So blind.
and the truth is the closer amigaos and the amigaone get the more you bitch , but when some sort of hiderance comes the mos way you lot try your best to cover it up , unlike the amiga hold ups you love to scream about.
Basically mate you need to get a f*cking life.
New Executive Update : Comment 63 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 24-Jun-2002 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (cOrpse):
funny thing is you haven't noticed that bpaln/mos don't give a shit about desktop amiga computing , they want to sell you pda's and pegasos dev stations. So blind.
------
You mean Thendic. I dont trust them a bit. Like I dont trust any
other company I know shit about. Or has a very amateurish style.
New Executive Update : Comment 64 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 24-Jun-2002 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (cOrpse):
>> comes the mos way you lot try your best to cover it up
funny how it was mike and then u who brought mos into this thread.
as fu##ing usual, it'e the sheep seeing a mos conspiracy..
i don't have aproblem with a1 idiot..
this raffle has nothing to do with eyetech and will not benefit eyetech in any way
New Executive Update : Comment 65 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by cheese on 24-Jun-2002 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (cheesegrate):
>>and will not benefit eyetech in any way
except they will know how many people pissed off people there will be sometime next year ;)
New Executive Update : Comment 66 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Jun-2002 14:49 GMT
after reading all this i felt like pulling my old c64 out of my closet, so hooked it up to my tv and played a round of wonderboy i loaded from an old cassette... been years... it still worked... and all was well...
i bet i've got aztec challenge still lying around somewhere... :-)
New Executive Update : Comment 67 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 24-Jun-2002 14:50 GMT
The new coupon/voucher thing just sounds a bit too desperate...
and I would like to see the T-shirt first.
(Party Packs SDK update, AACE app builder, some AA games would have been nice alternatives for the T-shirt... Also the time is too narrow, perhaps longer time, some prices around 500th, 1000th etc. would have been nice as well.)
I think only the very diehard fans buy that and it would indicate a lot lower sales prospects for A1.5. I would say 2500 is hard to reach with this methode...
Perhaps the whole point is to get pessimistic estimation rather than optimistic one...
New Executive Update : Comment 68 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Jun-2002 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (priest):
The "whole point" is to get money to make payroll and/or rent. Nothing more.
New Executive Update : Comment 69 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Jun-2002 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (cheeseg):
If they are sheep then why are you trying to F*** with them you dirty sheperd.
New Executive Update : Comment 70 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Derf on 24-Jun-2002 15:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (cheesegrate):
>this raffle has nothing to do with eyetech and will not benefit eyetech in any way
sorry, but i think you are wrong there.
eyetech will not like to produce too many A1's and then be stuck with them, so this at least gives them a base idea of how many to produce, without wasting their money.
i think eyetech do the best out of this voucher/compo thing...
New Executive Update : Comment 71 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 24-Jun-2002 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Derf):
I think all three of the major parties concerned will benefit from the voucher plan. Eyetech won't make too many or too few boards, Hyperion won't make too many or to few copies of the OS, and Amiga's shareholders will have a clear picture of the size of the Amiga OS market. I can't emphasize enought that these are busineses trying to succeed. A successful voucher campaign can secure the future for more OS development. All we need now is a killer application for the new Amiga.
New Executive Update : Comment 72 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 24-Jun-2002 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Adam Kowalczyk):
"All we need now is a killer application for the new Amiga."
How about a program that makes the user wiser, kinder, more polite and
civilised, and better at calm reasoned argument? Or one that
guarantees immortality to all who use it?
;-)
New Executive Update : Comment 73 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 24-Jun-2002 16:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Don Cox):
That sounds like a gunshot to the head ;)
New Executive Update : Comment 74 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Sam on 24-Jun-2002 16:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
It's a neat analogy - but it's not quite right. Amiga Inc. sold the Party Pack SDK for $100 and GAVE $100 as an additional bonus incentive - no-one has lent anyone anything - the money was for the SDK.
And besides - no-one's forcing anyone to buy anything.
So it's a bit like the drunk promising you $100 and not giving it to you yet but asking you for some commitment to purchase something in the future - but only if you want to...?
Doesn't sound that bad really. Why are they a 'drunk' anyway?
We're about to get our cool Amigas back with OS4.0 - what on earth are you all complaining about?
---
Sam
New Executive Update : Comment 75 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Sam on 24-Jun-2002 16:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Mike Veroukis):
I understand your feelings as people from both sides of the fence have been unconstructive in their comments. Why fight? Let's leave the MOS crew to get on with their OS and see if they do have anything to offer. In return let's hope that the MOS band cease their sprinkling of negative posts - which in the end is helping no-one.
A true PowerPC OS 4.0 and a new piece of Amiga hardware to run it on! The closer the AmigaOne's release date gets - the more and more U want one.
---
Sam
New Executive Update : Comment 76 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 24-Jun-2002 16:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Sam):
"We're about to get our cool Amigas back with OS4.0 - what on earth are you all complaining about? "
Noone will make these people happy. A lot of people have been belly-aching about the lack of new Amiga's for the last 10 years and now that they're about to show up, people have to start belly-aching over something new. It must be that there are some people who are addicted to the complaining and bickering. Pro-Amiga Inc. supporters are being called sheep because we see they are a business. I'm starting to think being too close to Linux and the Open source movement has started to affect how people see legitimate businesses operate.
I saw the announcement as: 1) Amiga Inc. living up to it's part of the bargain as it pertains to their previous $100.00 dollar offer, and 2) A new offer that will be used to gage the demand for the new "real" Amiga. In the worst case you end up with a $50.00 t-shirt and a voucher you can put in a picture frame.
New Executive Update : Comment 77 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 24-Jun-2002 18:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (cheesegrat):
What a sick mind are you? Why the heck do you want to see Amiga bunkrupted so much? (and stop using the name "Amino" - it just makes you look for what you are, a whining child). Do you get it or not that without Amiga Inc. around there will never be another AmigaOS? Gateway will never allow anybody to use the name illegally or develop something unauthorized, and you can bet both your balls (providing you have any) that nobody else will pay any money to purchase the patents or the rights thereof.
Grow up, dude. If you hate the community so much then just leave, but be smart enough that without Amiga Inc. there will be mo community.
New Executive Update : Comment 78 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 24-Jun-2002 18:23 GMT
Now let me get this straight... if it's illegal to make someone purchase an item in order to be included in a "draw" then why do I have to BUY lottery tickets? Surely this is a "draw" for "free money" and if certain people are right about the "no puchase necessary" clause then I should be able to get my lottery ticket for free without having to puchase it? Somehow I don't think that argument is going to fly... in ANY country ;)
New Executive Update : Comment 79 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 24-Jun-2002 18:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (cheese):
Look, I would love to live in a world where everyone is nice and friendly and people walk hand in hand and there are flowers and butteflies everywhere and birds chirp happily and crickets sing you to sleep. Unfortunately I live in another reality, and in this reality I can only say that after reading your posts you deserved to be called a moron. Here's why...
>bill mcewan clown is saying they have to build and order a1 when they are
>not and give us money for this when they will use the money for
>something else?
First of all you don't work for any of the parties involved, so stop your stupid assumptions. Second, Amiga doesn't print money to pay salaries and all things necessary to their day-to-day business, it means (I know you have a hard time understanding Business 99) they have others to answer to for every move they make; IT MEANS that they need to show OTHERS that there is a market out there. Now, I'm not gonna go into details, but if you're only 1/10th as smart as you think you are you should get it.
New Executive Update : Comment 80 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 24-Jun-2002 18:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (anarchic_teapot):
>They'd probably be wiser giving away condoms instead. That way maybe
>the next generation might contain fewer trolls and idiots ;-)
ROTFL!! That's one of the very best ideas I heard of lately :)
New Executive Update : Comment 81 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 24-Jun-2002 18:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (cheesegrate):
>u can talk ms fanatic_crackpot after ure
URE?
>performance on the thendic thread..
Where she seemed to know what she was talking about anyway...
>now go back to the a1 list. i don't want to see u hear again..
HEAR?
Dude, go back to 3rd grade, you got some serious problems. I hope English is not your first language (or second)
New Executive Update : Comment 82 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 24-Jun-2002 18:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (David Scheibler):
Amiga is based in the US, not in Germany.
New Executive Update : Comment 83 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 24-Jun-2002 18:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
Dear anonymous
(I swear, I gotta lose the habit of replying to anonymous posters)
How can the Party Pack be a loan? You bought a product, that's what the $100 was for, the $100 coupon off the AmigaOne was a gift. You could have spent $100, got you product and no coupons, so what the hell are you complaining about? Are people always complaining about getting free stuff?
Can you show me some posts of yours in videogames newsgroups where you complained that all stores (big and small: Best Buy, Toys'R'Us, CompUSA, etc.) were asking you $100 to preorder the X-Box and not even giving you a free t-shirt?
It's a 50 dollars pre-order deposit, you get a free t-shirt, it gives Amiga and idea of how many units they need to order, it gives the users the benefit of getting a better price if Amiga/Eyetech can order more units rather than 100 or 500 units at a time, it gives the investors an idea of how many individuals the community counts, because in my reality, neither Amiga, nor Eyetech, Hyperion or your probably so dear bPlan can live without cash in-flow.
So in the end, you want an AmigaOne? Get it. You don't want it? Shut the Hell up and don't force your abusive mind on others.
New Executive Update : Comment 84 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 24-Jun-2002 18:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Darrin):
> Now let me get this straight... if it's illegal to make someone purchase an
> item in order to be included in a "draw" then why do I have to BUY lottery
> tickets? Surely this is a "draw" for "free money" and if certain people are
> right about the "no puchase necessary" clause then I should be able to get
> my lottery ticket for free without having to puchase it? Somehow I don't
> think that argument is going to fly... in ANY country ;)
The law prevents a prize draw being used as a marketing ploy for commercial products - at least in theory. There is nothing to stop the lottery itself from being a commercial venture any more than there is a law to stop a raffle from raising money. However, making people buy a computer to be entered in a draw for a holiday is as illegal as having to buy a book to stand a chance of winning a car.
Believe it or not, such practices are definitely illegal in the UK.
New Executive Update : Comment 85 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 24-Jun-2002 18:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Bill Hoggett):
Hi Bill,
Amiga is taking preorders for the AmigaOne and asking $50 as a deposit. This is a very common practice in the US. I've seen it done for the X-Box, for the PS2, for practically anything that is out there. You're not actually buying anything since this is a pre-order that covers just one portion of the value.
New Executive Update : Comment 86 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 24-Jun-2002 18:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (cheeseg):
>amino
It's Amiga Inc, little kid
>has no involvement with os4 and for that matter a1 apart from the
>letting them use the name
No involvment? Ohmygod! You mean that brands actually don't exist? You mean that Nike, Reebok, Timberland, Ford, Samsung and a million of other brands all design and produce in-house?
You mean that Fitchburg electric has their own Nuclear Power Plant few miles from my home and I've never seen it?
Without Amiga Inc. neither Hyperion nor anyone else will be allowed to do another version of AmigaOS. I repeat my invitation, if you don't like it stay away from it. I don't go bother people in newsgroups/communities I don't care for even if I think their product sucks. Why can't you do the same?
New Executive Update : Comment 87 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 24-Jun-2002 18:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (cheesegrate):
>because amino HAS NEVER PUT A CENT INTO AOS development
How the F**K do you know? You've seen bills/money transfers, either party told you?
New Executive Update : Comment 88 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 24-Jun-2002 19:00 GMT
> please stop seeing conspiracies in your head.
Conspiracies? No, those require organization. What I do see is a bunch of cry babies making a lot of noise.
>>It seems to me that the closer Amiga Inc gets
>to what? bankrupcy ;)
If you're trying to be funny, don't quit your day job.
>it was true that amino ran out of money and os4 was halted but these two
>things have nothing to do with each other because amino HAS NEVER PUT A CENT
>INTO AOS development.
Thanks for the history lesson, but now it's my turn. Amino ceased to exist when they bought the rights to Amiga technology and patents and changed their name to Amiga Inc. This happened quite some time ago and for someone who seems to know so much, I would have assumed you'd know that by now.
And as for Amiga Inc's investments I have no idea what they spend their cents on but it seems to me that they have a lot invested in AmigaOne/OS4 and it's future (ie, their name and reputation is resting on the success of the AMigaOne/OS4). Hyperion and EyeTech need Amiga Inc just as much as Amiga Inc need them. Hyperion and EyeTech need the Amiga name and Amiga's centralized distribution lines, dealerships and leadership.
The next gen Amiga's will be made by a trio of companies that all need each other and it's a great example of how capitalism works. The pre-payment vouchers are an excellent idea and will really help them gauge the demand for the products. I really do hope they reach the 10,000 unit mark but I understand that's extremelly optimistic. Still, I wish them the best of luck.
>>Long live Amiga
>don't u mean long live the amiga community
You call this a community? Let's get some new Amigas out there and then we'll have a community to talk about. Right now we have nothing.
- Mike
New Executive Update : Comment 89 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 24-Jun-2002 19:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Don Cox):
>How about a program that makes the user wiser, kinder, more polite and
>civilised, and better at calm reasoned argument?
I'd love that, but I think we'll see intergalactic travel first ;-)
>Or one that guarantees immortality to all who use it?
Yeah right, imagine some of the heads here being immortal...
New Executive Update : Comment 90 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 24-Jun-2002 19:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Bill Hoggett):
As far as I see, Amiga Inc are not "selling" a product here, they're simply converting $50 of cash into a $50 voucher and giving you a free T-Shirt. As a reward you get entered into a prize draw for participants only. I see this ALL the time in the USA. The biggest GM dealership in my city will put you in a draw for $100 for simply coming in and taking a test drive of a car of your choice - no test drive, no entry in the draw. A local appliance center has another draw you can enter - one entry for each product you purchase. Lots of other companies reward valued customers with prize draws which are only open to their customers. I fail to see how rewarding a customer by putting his name into a hat for a prize is a crime. Of course, if the law was simply common sense then we wouldn't need lawyers ;)
New Executive Update : Comment 91 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 24-Jun-2002 19:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Bill Hoggett):
@Bill Hoggett
I seriously doubt it is illegal in the USA. Even 7-11 stores would have game pieces on Slurpee cups, and M&Ms have BIG promotions. Can you find fine print saying "No purchase necessary"? Possibly, but I seem to remember even car ads stating "You could win a 2 weeks cruise" with no "No purchase blah blah" fine print.
New Executive Update : Comment 92 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Young on 24-Jun-2002 19:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Darrin):
Actually, you've got a good point there. Lots of product registration cards include a free prize draw for anybody sending the form back. By rights, I've been "forced" to buy a product in order to enter this draw, so therefore it is illegal?? I'm in the UK after all.
Chris
New Executive Update : Comment 93 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 24-Jun-2002 19:19 GMT
>As far as I see, Amiga Inc are not "selling" a product here, they're simply
>converting $50 of cash into a $50 voucher and giving you a free T-Shirt.
Well, you're still selling something. However, one way they could legally get around it, even in the UK, is to make it so that instead of buying a voucher you are buying a membership into an exclusive club, which btw, all club members are placed into the draw for free, you receive a free t-shirt and a free voucher for $50 off your next purchase of an AmigaOne/OS4 package as a special gift from the club intself (just one of many priviledges). That will hold up, but you have to make it clear that it's a club. The club could then disband after the draw.
There's a million and one ways to get around laws like that.
Of course, if they have a criminal mind (like I do) they could offer it to anyone, no purchase required, and just tear up all the draw entries from non-purcahse entries. How will anyone know? :)
Regardless, the important thing to note is that it doesn't matter how many entries are made into the draw, the prizes available are dependent on how many vouchers are sold. So if only 1000 people purchase the voucer and 100,000 pople enter the draw, the number of prizes would still be limited by the number of vouchers sold. In a way it makes no difference to Amiga Inc who wins, it's just more likely that the person winning the draw will be someone who made a non-purchased entry. Big deal.
- Mike
New Executive Update : Comment 94 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 24-Jun-2002 19:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Chris Young):
When I was growing up in the UK I used to purchase books from a company called "Target". On the last page was a little coupon to cut out and mail to them which put you in a monthly draw for free Target books. Now I'm pretty sure that if I wandered into W.H.Smiths with a pair of scissors and started snipping the last page out of the books I would end up being escorted down to the local cop-shop to "help the police with their enquiries". It seems to me that if Target could offer this prize draw to their customers in the UK ("Not available to overseas residents") then there must be some sort of loophole in the law in Britain to allow what Amiga Inc are doing. Mind you, Target have closed down... perhaps someone sued them ;)
New Executive Update : Comment 95 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 24-Jun-2002 19:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Chris Young):
I didn't say that people weren't finding loopholes around the law, just stating that the law exists. I doubt you'd have much chance if you claimed you were "practically forced" to buy a product, unless you could prove that beyond dispute.
I'm not suggesting what Amiga Inc are doing is illegal in the US. In fact, I suspect it isn't illegal at all. I'm just expressing some doubt as to whether those vouchers can be redeemed in this country as that would make the vendors participators in the scheme. The easiest way to find out is to get a statement from Eyetech. Remember they were not going to directly honour the previous discount arrangements, so unless UK residents fancy ordering their AmigaOnes from the States, they'd better check that the likes of Eyetech will actually take the vouchers.
Beyond that I think we can wrap this subject up.
New Executive Update : Comment 96 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 24-Jun-2002 19:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Bill Hoggett):
>>Remember they were not going to directly honour the previous discount arrangements, so unless UK residents fancy ordering their AmigaOnes from the States, they'd better check that the likes of Eyetech will actually take the vouchers.
I just had a horrible thought... I wonder what sort of exchange rate the vendors will give on those $100 certificates when you try and purchase an AmigaOne board in Pounds or Euros? Well there's another can of worms opened ;)
New Executive Update : Comment 97 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Jun-2002 20:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Darrin):
You don't need to snip anything out. They are required to let you enter just by sending a suitable cover letter (often just a bit of paper saying "Please enter me in your free prize draw") to the correct address. Smith's won't stop you looking at the address, and anyway...
YES, organisations exist whose members specifically send off applications for all "big prize" free draws. It turns out that on average this is actually profitable! These non-customers win a lot of the prizes but few people realise this and no-one cares. You didn't buy the product to win a prize, right?
If anyone DID try to avoid these people that would show that they were trying to run an illegal lottery (which is what the "No purchase" law is designed to prevent) and the organised draw entering groups would report them to the police.
For instance a UK Internet company proposed to "give away" valuable items in a prize draw. The usual people sent their entry forms off, and when they realised that none of them had won anything, they were suspicious and asked for a list of prize winners (required by the same law). I can't remember what happened next exactly, but I think it involved a lot of people suddenly receiving free goodies which had been "delayed in the post"...
BTW The difference between "Lotto" (a government sponsored lottery) and a Free Prize Draw is that the latter is ostensibly Free. If it wasn't Free then it would be gambling, which is strictly controlled by the government in most parts of the world.
New Executive Update : Comment 98 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by cheeser on 24-Jun-2002 21:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Graham):
Daid dont worry graham doesnt know what the hell he is talking about and shows his immaturity with
the cussing. He and is crownies are jsut upset because the Pegasos system is out and much better.
Not to mention the fact that he is proven wrong AGAIN.
New Executive Update : Comment 99 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Jun-2002 21:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (amigammc):
Thsi sint AMiga community anymore and if you saw the os you would see it was shit.
New Executive Update : Comment 100 of 128ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Jun-2002 21:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (ehaines):
those are devlopment boards. Secondly there wont be 1,000 .to many people are climbing on baord the Pegasos
system.
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