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Posted on 25-Jun-2002 15:05 GMT by Christian Kemp94 comments
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I'm back from a track&field meeting in Tallinn (EST) - which is why there were no updates and no article moderation on ANN inbetween Friday and today.

Also, I'd like to emphasize a point that has recently arisen in the comments section: while I dislike the idea of strict moderation and removal of articles and comments, something needs to be done to stop a few people from turning any thread into a flamefest (and a bad one, at that), and ruin the visiting experience for everybody else. I will therefore adopt a slightly stricter moderation policy - starting with informal warnings, and pursuing other options if these do not yield positive results (Possibilities for this would be manual removal of comments, the possibility to filter anonymous posters or certain IP ranges, or have an ignore list. Alas, the last three would require a rewrite of the comments system and possibly the implementation of user accounts, which would be a massive task. And comments?)

Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 51 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 26-Jun-2002 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (cheesegrater):
Please take a deep breath. Relax. Next time you have the urge to respond, wait for ten minutes. Write your reply. Then wait another ten minutes. Reread what you wrote. Fix any errors and remove whatever that went over the mark. Then, either submit the comment, or scrap it altogether. Reading this, I really get the impression you're getting too emotionally involved in the discussion.
(This also applies to other posters. If everybody used some self-moderation, it would make things much more enjoyable on here, and make a lot of supervising and/or moderating redundant, not to mention that the topic of "censorship" wouldn't even be mentioned.)
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 52 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-Jun-2002 10:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (cheesegrate):
> As you said yourself the best thing is too ignore, but these people( like when the amigan in black thread happened) will seek to censor and black out anything that disagrees with their rose tinted view.
> Oh and when things don't go their way they wil complain about trolls, lies, biased moderators, the reputation ?! of ann on other sites. But of course when samface starts spreading FUD about A REAL PRODUCT then we have silence from these people.
Ah, Samface the notorious pro Amiga Inc and Anti-MOS user who you consistently battle with. Here you clearly put me in the camp diametrically opposed to your political views.
So I hold the same views as the rest of the people you cite?
No, I suggest you are the one with the sweeping generalisations, you are the one trying to turn this into a camp A vs camp B war where camp A is the "AmigaOS" camp and camp B is the "BPlan/MOS" camp ( very obvious from your sentence ).
My post was specific about you and the impact your methods has on people on here, this site and the reputation of this site as reported on other sites not only in direct reference ( "Im boycotting ANN because the trolls on there will just turn it into a flame war" - Amiga.org ) but indirectly ( "Lets have some fun on ANN with this" ) too.
Why am I bothering I know already that your neural network just performs linear seperation.
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 53 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 26-Jun-2002 10:34 GMT
Cheese/Dave: How about doing this by email? :)
/Björn
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 54 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-Jun-2002 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Björn Hagström):
Bjorn
See hes had the Cheesegrate effect on me already.
If you think that shyster is getting my email address then youve got another thing coming.
;-)
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 55 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 26-Jun-2002 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (DaveW):
Björn does have a point though. If a discussion merely consist of two people accusing and calling each other names, it might be better to (a) stop it altogether or (b) move it to some other, more direct, medium.
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 56 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-Jun-2002 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Christian Kemp):
A point which I heartily concede.
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 57 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by thoromyr on 26-Jun-2002 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Christian Kemp):
You're site, Christian, do what you want. But don't act so self righteous and expect sympathy from those who don't happen to share your point of view. You "attacked" cheesegrate's posting when there are many who were more obnoxious in that thread. Moreover, when cheesegrate pointed out that ignore lists simply serve to let people hear others who do not differ from them you seemed to get defensive. If the shoe fits, wear it.
I repeat, do what you want -- but I think you'll see ANN's readership drop if you did put in ignore lists. For all that a vocal minority of ANN can't stand to hear another view point offered (I say vocal minority based on the evidence that there are many who read but do not post), for all the blatant flamebait that gets posted (by anonymous and non-anonymous posters), this is what keeps people coming back to ANN.
No offense to amiga.org, but I don't go there and won't. Its my choice. If ANN were to become, in essence, a clone of amiga.org's policy & procedures then I would for the same reasons not continue here. Ditto for others. The point is that ANN's readership is here because it is an alternative. The kind of alternative that it is should be pretty obvious: it provides coverage of amiga and amiga like computers and operating systems while not adhering religiously to this. It allows posters to say what they want. Consequent to the last, its a bit chaotic.
You are running this as a personal site, my understanding is that you make little or no money from its operation and hence have no "real" reason to keep it going. If it is no longer fun to do because of the chaotic nature then I'd advise you to either alter it to suit you or shut it down.
But don't expect sympathy for aggressing on others for what appears to be a mere difference in views given the consistently nastier comments made by others.
Thoromyr
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 58 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 26-Jun-2002 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (DaveW):
>>See hes had the Cheesegrate effect on me already.
>If you think that shyster is getting
Isin't that pesonal abuse? MAMA! moderation quick please!
I can't handle reading an opinion that is different from mine!! ?
I can't handle getting called anmes!!
Please delete this post as it is abusive to me and i am offended.
I'm sure the thousands of people who read this have had their visiting
'experience' ruined and will not come back to ANN.
Please implement these ignore lists and ip blocks as soon as you can.
I really want pretend peopl i don't agree with don't exist!!!
Ann's reputation is worthless.. Look! Pple on amiga.org are saying
his so it must be true!!!
<end sarcasm>
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 59 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 26-Jun-2002 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (cheesegrate):
"I really want pretend peopl i don't agree with don't exist!!!"
Interresting motive for wanting an ignore list. Not that I agree with it, but hey, if that is what you want to use it for then you're welcome to do so.
/Björn
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 60 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by thoromyr on 26-Jun-2002 11:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (cheesegrate):
chill, cheesegrate, your succombing to his particular methods. His approach is the cool & snide -- by antagonizing others into tirades like that he makes himself look superior to those who are shortsighted.
thoromyr
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 61 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 26-Jun-2002 11:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (thoromyr):
As for "attacking" cheesegrate's posting, it's like the fishing analogy: you do not always catch all the fish... I made a conscious choice to start moderating more actively, and I have to start somewhere. I admit that I do not always follow every thread in minute detail, and I do not have an ideal solution in mind as to how the quality of postings could be improved while at the same time making sure to not alienate too many existing visitors.
And I guess I can only mention again that I welcome diversity and differing opinions, but not at the expense of netiquette and good manners. I do not care if visitors feel strongly about product X or Y, all I want is for them to make constructive comments that are on topic, and not turn every thread into the same old discussion we've had a hundred times before...
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 62 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 26-Jun-2002 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (cheesegrate):
>just the amiga.org pple who now reside here as well (davew, redrumla, samface,
>amigammc etc) and now are wishing and praying for logins, ip blocking
>and 'wayne style' censorship..
Unforunately these type of people have chased away most other users of ANN. I know countless people on IRC that won't post on this place anymore because they get hounded, attacked, patronised by this posse.
But nothing is done about this. Instead, the posse start complaining about those who disagree to try to get their grip on ANN tightened further.
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 63 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Mic on 26-Jun-2002 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (thoromyr):
I used to see a much nicer atmosphere here on ANN.
If you think readership will vastly decrease due to moderation I think you are wrong.
The readership has already decreased and ANN does have a reputation for being a flamewar heaven.
If something isn't done about it then it will only get worse.
I personally wouldn't like to see this happen.
Trolls exist everywhere, but the vest thing to do is not reply to them.
It has come to a point where an innocent post, by a person who doesnt have English as his first language, is misinterpreted and shot down in flames for allegedly being flaim bait.
Amiga Org is a site that some prefer for discussion whilst others prefer ANN or some other forum.
Then there are those that frequent more than one forum and would declare themselves as part of both/all the communities.
Categorising people as Amiga org folk or ANN folk is stereotyping.
A message for cheesegrate:
--------------------------
You can be very eloquent when you want to be, why do you then offend people with some of your remarks. They look quite intentional from where I am standing. Its not just me but you can not deny that you have a reputation here and that doesn't happen if you are as innocent as you claim to be.
Now lets try and make ANN like it used to be. A good place for news and discussion.
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 64 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 26-Jun-2002 11:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (thoromyr):
Exactly, his tactics but very effective. I have pasted the following points from the 'Tasty FUD' website that I found a few years back (I think it's gone now):
[On how to avoid debating an issue]
1. Never reply to a post's content. Instead focus on minor issues such as spelling.
2. Humiliate your opponent by suggesting they have no right to discuss the matter in hand, invalidate them rather than their opinions.
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 65 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-Jun-2002 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (smithy):
Thats right Smithy, keep up your accuracy rate. Explain, with references how either of those apply to me. If you can even point to some reference ( doubtful ) please then explain how they do not equally apply to you.
I realise you do not actually like me and I fully expect to see a Smithy follow up every time I post something but you might at least put in some effort for once.
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 66 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-Jun-2002 12:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (smithy):
Smithy I really think you are starting to have paranoid delusions. If people can stick to the facts, avoiding innuendo and rumour what is their problem. You make it sound like there is some organised lobbying going on here. You are also falling into the trap of thinking that group A wants moderation whilst group B doesnt where group A holds one political opinion and group B holds the opposite political opinion.
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 67 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by thoromyr on 26-Jun-2002 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (DaveW):
Couldn't resist...
---
> Thats right Smithy, keep up your accuracy rate.
personal reference, loosely alleging Smithy's inability to comprehend or be accurate.
> Explain, with references how either of those apply to me.
Hmm... I may not be Smithy, but the bait was there. Baiting is part of the "cool & superior" tactic
> If you can even point to some reference ( doubtful )
Or not. Witness this post
> please then explain how they do not equally apply to you.
After stating/implying that this does not imply to you, reflect it back on Smithy. More of the "cool & superior" tactic.
> I realise you do not actually like me
True or not, how do you know this? I don't recall Smithy ever stating this, though he might have. If not, it is rather more of an assumption. Either way, bringing it up is more of the "cool & superior" tactic -- accusing the other party of being emotional (not liking you) vs. your supposed rationality.
> and I fully expect to see a Smithy follow up every time I post something
More baiting, trying to deflect any response Smithy might make by pre-describing them as attacks. Reminds me of the long series of first posts in threads attempting to start a morphos flamewar. You might remember those.
> but you might at least put in some effort for once.
Hmm... he merely agreed with my assessment of your tactics and posted some additional FUD tactics. He never stated them as directly and personally as your attack on him.
thoromyr
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 68 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-Jun-2002 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (thoromyr):
Perhaps you should have resisted.
>> Thats right Smithy, keep up your accuracy rate.
>personal reference, loosely alleging Smithy's inability to comprehend or be accurate.
Referencing my personal assessment of his accuracy rate.
>> Explain, with references how either of those apply to me.
>Hmm... I may not be Smithy, but the bait was there. Baiting is part of the "cool & superior" tactic
No. Not baiting, just if you are going to state something like that which I do not recognise ( I do not sit here and pick a tactic to use I type as I feel ) then you should do me the courtesy of providing collateral. Smithy is someone I have conversed with before, you are not. Hence I ask him.
>> If you can even point to some reference ( doubtful )
>Or not. Witness this post
Disagree.
>> please then explain how they do not equally apply to you.
>After stating/implying that this does not imply to you, reflect it back on Smithy. More of the "cool & superior" tactic.
No. I want Smithy, if he sits there and analyses my posts to the nth degree to do the same to his own. This is not tactical, it is a request.
.> I realise you do not actually like me
>True or not, how do you know this? I don't recall Smithy ever stating this,
It is my assumption based on his previous responses to me. Bringing it up is an attempt to establish ground rules between us to find out where we stand. No more no less.
>> and I fully expect to see a Smithy follow up every time I post something
>More baiting, trying to deflect any response Smithy might make by pre-describing them as attacks. Reminds me of the long series of first posts in threads attempting to start a morphos flamewar. You might remember those.
No because I dont indulge in those if I can help it. It is not baiting, a simple observation that Smithy likes to follow up to me generally with some personal assessment of me. Note also the tense of the sentence - you will see that this undermines your assumptions. It is an observation of past behaviour.
> > but you might at least put in some effort for once.
>Hmm... he merely agreed with my assessment of your tactics and posted some additional FUD tactics. He never stated them as directly and personally as your attack on him.
LOL! The request is for collateral, hardly a tactic or an attack.
This is coming into the scope of the sniping that cheesegrate and I went through a bit earlier and you, I and smithy should be mindful that such discussions should be taken offline.
Note also that I havent sat here and analysed your two posts directed at me in the same way but the same line of reasoning could be similarly stretched to suit.
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 69 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 26-Jun-2002 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (DaveW):
You're wasting your breath Dave... accept him for what he is - a blind, troll. I'm sure CheeseGrate knows exactly what he's doing, but he just gets off on winding people up. I refuse to believe ANYONE is as dumb as he's appearing in these posts ;)
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 70 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 26-Jun-2002 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (DaveW):
>Thats right Smithy, keep up your accuracy rate.
What accuracy rate?
>Explain, with references how either of those apply to me.
I don't have time to gather evidence, however I have compiled a few things from this thread along, by the way, what about references to the statement above you made about me?
"If you throw mud it will stick to someone..." (From the trolling guide). Is this your strategy?
>If you can even point to some reference ( doubtful ) please then explain how
>they do not equally apply to you.
The distinction is simple. I like to debate about things. You like to debate about debates.
>I realise you do not actually like me
This is an internet forum. I have no feelings either way. However, I don't particularly like your trolling.
>and I fully expect to see a Smithy follow up every time
Oooh! A "Smith follow up". Trying to label me now? Wasn't it you that complained about the Amino label?
>I post something but you might at least put in some effort for once.
I used to post here quite a lot. Now I can't be bothered, because whenever I make a valid point, it is swallowed up my mountains of FUD and other drivel that either drowns out my points, or many people who seek to divert the debate away from the points, and towards whether the debate is valid or not.
Here are the comments that I consider to be flamebait, provoking, patronising, and otherwise used in a way that ignores the reply you were replying to:
comment 54: (insulting)
>See hes had the Cheesegrate effect on me already.
comment 26: a provoking reply, ignoring the poster's comments about moderation at amiga.org:
>So you cant act like a tw@t on Amiga.org for too long before you get >succumbed to peer pressure? Excuse me while I burst into tears on your >behalf.
You're making assumptions, furthermore, possibly insulting assertations, as the poster post was written well and didn't contain any notion of insults.
>I do not see any overtly pro-MOS, pro-Amithlon or pro-AOS agenda, if >you post without backing up assertions you are pulled over by your >peers from it.
The poster didn't mention anything about agendas, or AOS/MOS/etc. Why did you bring it up?
>Oh no, its enough to make you go and run behind your mummy and hold on >to her coat for dear life.
>Sheesh.
This is just flamebait. More provking, insults and patronsing remarks.
comment 48: (in reply to comment 47)
Once again, you ignore cheesegrate's post, instead you resort to more patronising:
>All suggesting you still havent read anything I have said
Not to mention, bringing up this again:
>I really dont give a toss if you are pro MOS or anti MOS
comment 50 (in reply to comment 49):
The last resort of somebody with no argument is to ignore somebody else's valid argument and attack their grammar.
From the "Tasty FUD" trolling guide:
"1. Never reply to a post's content. Instead focus on minor issues such as spelling"
>I get it, English isnt your first language and you are having trouble
>translating the grammer.
comment 66 (in reply to comment 62)
>Smithy I really think you are starting to have paranoid delusions
Insulting and derogatory. But try to forget that for a moment. You ignored my points. So what if I make my points in often-dramatic language laced with sarcasm and irony involving plots and conspiracy theories? It just serves to provoke thought and (hopefully) discussion, which is what we want.
You divert the discussion from the real issues to irrelevant trivial points.
Like I said, I don't post here anymore, because there are too many people who wish to divert the debate towards debating debate. It's a clever tactic, but it sucks. And it explains why so many people I know from AmigaNet/#amiga have given up on ANN.
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 71 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 26-Jun-2002 13:01 GMT
Yes, email is a fantastic way to solve endless pointless discussions that few are interrested in reading anyway ;)
/Björn
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 72 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 26-Jun-2002 13:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Mic):
> Now lets try and make ANN like it used to be. A good place for news and discussion.
i second that ;)
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 73 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 26-Jun-2002 13:09 GMT
I predict 200+ threads by the end of the day... by 5 people. :)
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 74 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 26-Jun-2002 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Darrin):
Oh yeah another saint heh mr darrin?
what about your gloating post that the promotion sales coupouns are more than the
pre orders for the pegasos.. what a troll?
all these preachers and troll-accusers are just so innocent here..
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 75 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 26-Jun-2002 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (cheesegrate):
>just the amiga.org pple who now reside here as well (davew, redrumla, samface,
>amigammc etc) and now are wishing and praying for logins, ip blocking
>and 'wayne style' censorship..
Nice try cheese. No matter how you try you cannot turn this into a A-Org -vs- ANN. What you are completely ignoring is the fact that CK owns this site, YOU do not! CK can do whatever the hell he wants! As for 'Wayne style censorship', you are full of CRAP, unless you secretly are GoatRoll.
You don't like CK handling HIS site the way he wants? Create your own site called 'cheesyflames.com' or something. See how popular it is with your attitude.
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 76 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 26-Jun-2002 13:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (redrumloa):
>>you are full of CRAP
thank you you just proved my point.
@christian
well here are some other fish ;)
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 77 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Mic on 26-Jun-2002 13:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (thoromyr):
<<< More baiting, trying to deflect any response >>>
Thats an oxymoron
Couldn't resist either ... ;)
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 78 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 26-Jun-2002 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (cheesegrate):
Proved your point? How so? The only thing it proves is you are blatantly LYING and smearing some sort of propoganda against Amiga.org.
If I was to call your mother a whore, wouldn't you take offense? And *NO* I am not calling your mother a whore, it's only an example. Don't lie, throw mud and expect people to ignore you.
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 79 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 26-Jun-2002 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (redrumloa):
You are giving him/her exactly what he/she wants. But I guess you realise that.
/Björn
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 80 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 26-Jun-2002 14:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Björn Hagström):
You are probably right, but it's hard to ignore someone who point their finger directly at you and accusing you of something which is a blatant lie.
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 81 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 26-Jun-2002 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (redrumloa):
His reputation is mostly wasted here anyway, so what he/she says shouldn't make any measurable impact in any case...
/Björn
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 82 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Mic on 26-Jun-2002 14:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (redrumloa):
Some people keep going on about peer pressure ???
I am not sure what on earth they are on about.
I never axperienced that on any site.
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 83 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Jun-2002 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Mic):
experienced even :)
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 84 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by thoromyr on 26-Jun-2002 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Mic):
<<< More baiting, trying to deflect any response >>>
> Thats an oxymoron
No, it is not (but oxymoron is one of the more misunderstood words in English). More baiting -- that is, trying to get someone's goat, irritate them, etc.
Trying to deflect any response -- I take it that here you understood deflect to mean "prevent", which is not what it means. To deflect is (loosely) to prevent from striking or prevent from striking squarely. That is, the deflection is to lessen the impact of a response.
> Couldn't resist either ... ;)
I understand. Of course, language attacks (even incorrect ones) lead away from the real issue by making it a matter of presentation vs. content.
I am not saying you were attacking, I take your "couldn't resist" as indicating "back-and-forth-in-good-will"
thoromyr
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 85 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 26-Jun-2002 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Björn Hagström):
>His reputation is mostly wasted here anyway, so what he/she says shouldn't make >any measurable impact in any case.
Keep dreaming !
impact on whom?
define reputation?
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 86 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Mic on 26-Jun-2002 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (thoromyr):
You are right in stating that I was not trying to attack you.
I don't have any reason to neither do i have an issue that needs its focus deflecting away.
I just couldn't resist a bit of word play.
I do understand the meaning of the word oxymoron and I believed I was using it in the right context.
.........................................................................
OXYMORON
A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are combined
............................................................................
Besides If you bait a mouse you expect it to respond by eating the bait.
If you put out flame bait you expect someone to respond by replying.
You would not want to prevent a reply as that defeats the purpose
Thanks though, for clearing up the fact that you didnt mean prevent.
<What follows could be classed as flame bait>
---------------------------------------------
Now lay back a little and relax..not everone is out to get you you know!!
:-) LOL
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 87 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by thoromyr on 26-Jun-2002 14:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Mic):
> OXYMORON
> A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are combined
Note that this definition says "rhetorical figure". Note that, as I explained, an understanding of the meaning of "deflect" is neither incongruous nor contradictory with "baiting". Or perhaps you are unfamiliar with the riposte?
Note further that examples of actual oxymorons (not the lists floating around the internet) are: deafening silence, cruel kindness, laborious idleness (gleaned from dictionaries). An oxymoron is primarily a device to evoke imagery.
And take your own advice, as I even stated previously, I took no umbrage from your comment. If someone corrects you, it does not necessarily mean they are attacking you. The misapplication of oxymoron is a pet peeve of mine, was tangential to the point and all of this is horribly off topic.
thoroymr
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 88 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Mic on 26-Jun-2002 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (thoromyr):
Believe it or not, I am actually trying to relax after some stressful exams.
You are right this is horribly off topic. I apologise if I hit on a pet peeve of yours.
I never meant to start a debating the intricacies of the English language and I see your point now with the examples.
Stay funky!
Peace!
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 89 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by thoromyr on 26-Jun-2002 15:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Mic):
> Believe it or not, I am actually trying to relax after some stressful exams.
I wish you well on the relaxation.
> You are right this is horribly off topic. I apologise if I hit on a pet peeve
> of yours.
not that you had any idea of knowing that. my intent is accuracy (if a bit aggressively ;^) -- not attack
> I never meant to start a debating the intricacies of the English language
> and I see your point now with the examples.
victory! (as in, another person informed)
> Stay funky!
> Peace!
absolutely. I wish you well on the exam results (and I herewith end my off topicness).
thoromyr
(those wanting to pursue topics further can feel free to try the email. I'm not afraid of discourse, I just try to not veer too far off topic on public forums.)
(@Christian: I was serious previously -- no need to satisfy me, keep yourself happy. You've done well with creating/managing such an active site.)
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 90 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 26-Jun-2002 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (cheesegrate):
Hey CheeseGrate, just look at me as your alter-ego or the Ying to your Yang. Personally, I look at you as the dark side of the force while I'm more like Obi-Wan ;)
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 91 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 26-Jun-2002 17:56 GMT
I like ANN the way it is. So what if someone is a bit radical?
Comments by Cheeseface, cheesegrate etc. are the ones making ANN discussions so funny and interesting! People are taking things to seriously. How can an insult POSSIBLY have any affection through this media ?
Lighten up, everybody! We can't solve any of the world's problems in here anyway, so what do you expect? :)
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 92 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 26-Jun-2002 18:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (cheesegrate):
Something I don't think you understand Cheesegrate, if I wanted another Amiga.org, I would have suggested another Amiga.org as well as given CK specific suggestions on how to setup the CMS. You have already made your judgement on my own character and thus perceive me as one type of person, bad move on your part. I recommended the suggestion to allow for anon posting as well as user credibility, something you can't find on Amiga.org (in case you're too oblivious to look). In any case, CK stated that if there was anything that was going to be done to allow for better control of his own web site, it would require rewriting parts of it.
If you don't like the idea I gave, why not suggest your own ideas?
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 93 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 26-Jun-2002 20:14 GMT
Ok I'm back, what did I miss?
Weekend away / Stricter moderation? : Comment 94 of 94ANN.lu
Posted by DanDude on 27-Jun-2002 14:46 GMT
I think it's time to implement the registered users comments instead of leaving it open anymore. Those "trolls" who have abused your site long enough with flames and other useless comments must be put to rest for once and for all. Even if we give them "another chance" would just be getting spit at. It's one of the reasons I stopped visiting your site. It has gotten worse and worse. Sure, everyone wants to nag nag nag about what Amiga Inc. does and did. But, does that mean we have to read them whine through worthless comments they posted including the lies???
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