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Frank Fenn has released version 2.0 of "AC97Mixer" for Amithlon. This version adds support for the EMU10K (SB Live). Thus "AC97Mixer" now supports the SB128 and SB Live sound cards as well as VIA onboard sound.

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AC97Mixer v2.0 for Amithlon : Comment 1 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 03-Jul-2002 08:32 GMT
"This version adds support for the EMU10K (SB Live)"
So there *are* drivers available for the SB Live? Where can one find them?
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Posted by Kjetil on 03-Jul-2002 09:21 GMT
Try reading the post once more, do you se the Download link?
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Posted by Anonymouse on 03-Jul-2002 09:22 GMT
Well, my guess is that this will be in the 2.0 version instead of the free update that's been promised for a long time. Not that I can blame him for wanting some money after H&P screwed him over (Amiga-killers!!), but still.
I won't be buying the upgrade simply because it's a ridiculous price for an upgrade. Especially after paying what the first version cost!
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jul-2002 10:20 GMT
Fantastic how Amihtlon V2 is well supported. Ok this goes through hidden linux drivers, but hey this is cool to see Amiga applications running on such a lot of good, cheap and modern hardware.
Way to go !
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Posted by darklite on 03-Jul-2002 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Kjetil):
It's doesn't say anything about drivers, it's just a mixer.
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Posted by darklite on 03-Jul-2002 10:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymouse):
>Well, my guess is that this will be in the 2.0 version instead of the free
>update that's been promised for a long time. Not that I can blame him for
>wanting some money after H&P screwed him over (Amiga-killers!!), but still.
I agree. H&P have stolen from everyone involved and are now running away with the money and noone is trying to stop them.
>I won't be buying the upgrade simply because it's a ridiculous price for an
>upgrade. Especially after paying what the first version cost!
I certainly won't be buying the 'upgrade' when it's released, I'll watch what happens first... €150 for V1 and I've had exactly zero use of it, still waiting for the promised drivers :/. And it's probably impossible to get a refund from H&P.
Bernie said something about back-porting the new drivers for Amithlon though.
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Posted by cOrpse on 03-Jul-2002 10:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (darklite):
" I agree. H&P have stolen from everyone involved and are now running away with the money and noone is trying to stop them. "
I hate to burst your bubble , since os 3.1 H&P have done alot for us : AmigaWriter, OS 3.5/3.9, ArtEffect etc ... In fact they've supplied alot of the software that has kept amiga alive along with hyperion.
The recent events of amithlon should shine a bad light on what they have done before; It could just be confusion on how much they *own* os 3.9 or complete despration, You have to admit the situation is not a good one at this moment and everyone has to be out to get any money they can.
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Posted by Lando/Trinity on 03-Jul-2002 11:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (cOrpse):
I agree. H&P deserve our gratitude for what they've done for the Amiga. They have been the most productive Amiga developer in the world over the last few years.
Why do certain people always seem to need someone to bitch about? If it's not Hyperion it's Amiga Inc, and if it's not Amiga Inc it's H&P. If you must bitch about someone then pick someone who's worth bitching about, not the people who have done most to push the Amiga forward for very little reward.
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Posted by cOrpse on 03-Jul-2002 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Lando/Trinity):
"Why do certain people always seem to need someone to bitch about?"
The certain people seem to always be the ones that have had the least involvement in amiga and have just tagged along now for some weird reason :/
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Posted by darklite on 03-Jul-2002 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (cOrpse):
>I hate to burst your bubble , since os 3.1 H&P have done alot for us :
>AmigaWriter, OS 3.5/3.9, ArtEffect etc ... In fact they've supplied alot of
>the software that has kept amiga alive along with hyperion.
I'm talking about *Amithlon*:
- The price was ridiculously high, no documentation was provided
- Bernie got only a very small share of the profits
- H&P still didn't settle the licencing issue with Amiga Inc.
- H&P continue to include AmiTCP with OS3.9 while they don't have a licence for that
- ...
Though IMO OS3.5/3.9 were shitty updates and I hear AmigaWriter stinks.
>The recent events of amithlon should shine a bad light on what they have done
>before; It could just be confusion on how much they *own* os 3.9 or complete
>despration, You have to admit the situation is not a good one at this moment
>and everyone has to be out to get any money they can.
But not like this, by stealing from others!
You should really have a look at the Amithlon mailing list archives on Yahoogroups to get a good picture of what has happened.
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 03-Jul-2002 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (darklite):
> Though IMO OS3.5/3.9 were shitty updates and I hear AmigaWriter stinks.
What were you expecting in the updates?
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 03-Jul-2002 13:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (cOrpse):
The reason why people are complaining about H&P might have something to do with this statement from Bill McEwen, published in issue 25 of 100% Amiga magazine (June 2002):
"Here is the situation. We entered into contract
negotiations with the Amithlon team last year
around March 2001. At the same time we were
approached by H&P to enter into license
agreement with them for their Amiga emulator
designed for use with QNX. We decided that
it would be best to not have two competing
products in the market place. We negotiated
in good faith we reached terms and sent the
contracts.
To date we have NOT received an executed
contract from H&P, nor have we received
any royalties due Amiga. In December 2001
H&P was sent a cease and desist notice on
the sale and distribution of these products
as they have no valid license to distribute.
In fact we still have not received the
reports or royalties from OS 3.9.
Once Mr.. Meyer of Amithlon learned that his
product was being shipped without the proper
license from Amiga he notified H&P to cease
and desist. They have not.
Mr. Meyer and Amiga have reached contract
and licensing terms, and I am pleased to say
that there is a new version of Amithlon that
is legal and vastly improved over what is
currently shipping. The price is much more
reasonable and compelling for the end user,
and there will be a brand new version out
in the coming weeks.
"As far as H&P is concerned we have turned
the entire matter of both OS 3.9 and OSXL
over to our attorneys and it is in process."
I hope this better helps your understanding
of the situation.
Regards,
Bill McEwen
President/CEO
Amiga, Inc."
100% Amiga web page: http://www.100PercentAmiga.org
Add to that the long standing but unresolved issue surrounding the version of Genesis included with OS 3.9 plus the fact that AmigaXL infringes the GPL it is supposed to be released under and you might start to see a pattern.
As for OS 3.9 ownership, I'd suggest those of you who have it check out the copyrights on the software (not the packaging) and the user license. You may be surprised.
Finally, I didn't hear anyone defending H&P too much when they refused to hand over the source to OS 3.5/3.9 additions to Hyperion for porting to OS4.
Parhaps you're just defending H&P because they're damaging a product you don't approve of?
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Posted by amigo on 03-Jul-2002 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (darklite):
>>>Though IMO OS3.5/3.9 were shitty updates and I hear AmigaWriter stinks.
AmigaWriter does not stink in my opinion, and it has basic but good Word compatibility which is a plus in my book.
i agree about the amithlon stuff though, i am not rich and it actually hurt me when i bought Amiga OSXL, i can understand Amiga and Bernie's view on this but i will not be buying further Amithlons any time soon. I actually was never able to really use version 1 and have only used Amiga XL, which by the way in my experience, is pretty good itself.
if Amithlon 2 were offered as a discount for current owners id consider it, then again its really H&P's responsibility to make good on that and thats not likely to happen, but i do have a scan of my card with reg number on it in case things change, otherwise theres no Amithlon 2 in my near future.
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Posted by cOrpse on 03-Jul-2002 17:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Bill Hoggett):
"Parhaps you're just defending H&P because they're damaging a product you don't approve of?"
I'm not defending H&P , all i'm saying is that H&P have *helped* before and saying H&P are a bunch of arseholes always getting in the way etc isn't right. Yes recently they have been a bit dirty but there again its about the same story with DCE , Phase 5 and various other companies that have dipped toes in the amiga arena and as soon as anyone says a bad word about them you get told to shut up and that these people were gods and that they saved amiga funnly enough from people like darklite that have no idea at all ( hey darklite , what was your last amiga / upgrade and software purchase, ever registered any software ? ever been involved in a user group ? ever given good amiga advice or hardware away ? probaly not , but you and your chumbs think you know so f*ing much ).
and my feelings on amithlon are simple , its a good project , and its been well implemented , but i don't see it as the future but as the products scope stands its very good.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 03-Jul-2002 17:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (amigo):
> If Amithlon 2 were offered as a discount for current owners id consider
> it, then again its really H&P's responsibility to make good on that and
> thats not likely to happen, but i do have a scan of my card with reg
> number on it in case things change, otherwise theres no Amithlon 2 in my
> near future.
The price list Vesalia published before the latest hitch came up did in fact show a discounted price for existing Amithlon users. I don't know exactly how the identification of existing owners was planned to be implemented.
The again, it will be up to each individual user to make a decision, but I for one won't be holding my breath for any sign of H&P accepting responsibility for their actions. I only know that I've bought my last product from them.
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Posted by darklite on 03-Jul-2002 18:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (cOrpse):
>enough from people like darklite that have no idea at all ( hey darklite ,
>what was your last amiga / upgrade and software purchase, ever registered any
>software ?
The last pieces of software I bought were Netconnect 3 and Wordworth 7 at the Köln show, though I didn't have much use for WW7 - it was just not fun using on an AGA display.
After that things got really bad and I switched to WinUAE, which probably kept me in the Amiga scene, because of the RTG graphics. Unfortunately bsdsocket and serial emulation were (and are still) broken, so I wasn't able to use AmigaOS for everything I wanted.
>ever been involved in a user group ?
I've been a member of our local Amiga club, and was operating at the webmaster at one point - but at that point the Amiga was already dead and the club died too about a year later, following another Belgian Amiga club (Waaslandia).
>ever given good amiga advice or hardware away ?
I've been actively contributing to several mailing lists, like for example the YAM mailing list. I had fun writing some ARexx scripts (comm/mail/iSpell_YAM) for YAM back then and doing some simple gfx (toolbar icons, comm/mail/NI4YAM for example).
> probaly not , but you and your chumbs think you know so f*ing much ).
I don't even know why I'm writing my 'Amiga resumé' here, you'll just keep trolling anyway.
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Posted by cOrpse on 03-Jul-2002 19:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (darklite):
So your not really all that *active* and haven't bought any resent hardware or software to base your view of the amiga situation on.
Before you go round bitching off people might be an idea to start getting information to base such bitching on.Your first bitch here was at os 3.5 and 3.9 , if you used( i mean on real amiga's and not emu's) these products you would have noticed some of the slight tweaks in there that make it more usuable among other things like the icon system. and if you had used newer amiga hardware e.g. a blizzardvision you would know that ww7 doesn't work to well on it and amigawriter 2 is just as good and operates perfectly.
It seems darklite you have a 1996 view of amiga , sort that out before you tell anyone who's right or wrong.
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Posted by darklite on 03-Jul-2002 19:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (cOrpse):
>So your not really all that *active* and haven't bought any resent hardware or >software to base your view of the amiga situation on.
What *is* there to buy? Where is the AmigaOne and OS4 that were to be released in summer 2000?
>Before you go round bitching off people might be an idea to start getting
>information to base such bitching on.Your first bitch here was at os 3.5 and
>3.9 , if you used( i mean on real amiga's and not emu's) these products you
What's the difference running them on UAE?
>would have noticed some of the slight tweaks in there that make it more
>usuable among other things like the icon system. and if you had used newer
I already had a better AmigaOS installation thanks to a bunch of patches. A number of these were incorporated into OS3.5/3.9 - why should I pay for something I already had? Instead of 'officialising' MUI, H&P had to invent Yet Another GUI System - Reaction.
>amiga hardware e.g. a blizzardvision you would know that ww7 doesn't work to
>well on it and amigawriter 2 is just as good and operates perfectly.
The PPC cards were far to expensive for the little performance they delivered. And there aren't even all that much PPC-only software titles.
WW7 neither ran good on Picasso.
>It seems darklite you have a 1996 view of amiga , sort that out before you
>tell anyone who's right or wrong.
My view of Amiga was much more positive than now. The difference is that I am just being realistic, unlike you.
AC97Mixer v2.0 for Amithlon : Comment 19 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 03-Jul-2002 19:33 GMT
Before this thread descends into another pointless flamefest, let me bring it back on topic and confirm that Frank's mixer does indeed work fine with the SBLive! on my Amithlon 2.0 beta here. Now all I need are some surround speakers to test the 3D. :)
AC97Mixer v2.0 for Amithlon : Comment 20 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 03-Jul-2002 20:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Bill Hoggett):
>Before this thread descends into another pointless flamefest, let me bring it
Don't worry, I will be ignoring the rest of cOrpse's messages.
>back on topic and confirm that Frank's mixer does indeed work fine with the
>SBLive! on my Amithlon 2.0 beta here. Now all I need are some surround
>speakers to test the 3D. :)
Oh jolly, but when will we all be able to hear sound from our SB Live's? :p
Will these drivers also be backported to V1?
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 03-Jul-2002 20:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (darklite):
> Oh jolly, but when will we all be able to hear sound from our SB Live's? :p
I have no idea, since I don't know exactly what the hold-up is, or how the attempts at resolving it are going. :(
> Will these drivers also be backported to V1?
I doubt that very much. The sound system in v2 is totally revamped and uses an abstraction layer built into the core. The old sound drivers are no longer needed, and the sound drivers are loaded automatically when a supported chipset is detected. Because the actual drivers are Linux drivers, they are also more mature than the AmigaOS ones.
However, because it is a change to the core, I doubt it will ever be back-ported to v1, unless H&P are prepared to pay for the upgrade (after they have settled with Amiga Inc, that is). Having said that, Harald Frank claimed in a phone conversation that he has completed v1 sound drivers for 35 different sound chipsets, presumably including the one used in the SBLive!. Since writing sound drivers for v1 does not require access to the Amithlon core, one wonders what is stopping him from releasing them.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 03-Jul-2002 20:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (cOrpse):
Amiga Writer 2 is good but... SLOW and BUGGY.
AC97Mixer v2.0 for Amithlon : Comment 23 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 04-Jul-2002 06:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (darklite):
At least you can regulate the Cd-rom Audio output.
AC97Mixer v2.0 for Amithlon : Comment 24 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jul-2002 06:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Is a buggy and slow software a good software ?
Maybe in early 80's, not now any more.
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Posted by Fran on 04-Jul-2002 08:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
>Is a buggy and slow software a good software ?
>mybe in early 80's, not now any more.
well most people say that windows is good software but obviously is slow and
buggy, so if you have a good marketing a slow and buggy software couldbe a good
software.
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Posted by cOrpse on 04-Jul-2002 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (darklite):
"What *is* there to buy? Where is the AmigaOne and OS4 that were to be released in summer 2000?"
And wheres the pda dev machine thats meant to have shipped etc ?
"What's the difference running them on UAE?"
Well for a start its a b*tch to get the original os3.9 cd to install on UAE and IIRC the only way to get a good install was pirate releases , naugthy boy.
"I already had a better AmigaOS installation thanks to a bunch of patches. A number of these were incorporated into OS3.5/3.9 - why should I pay for something I already had? Instead of 'officialising' MUI, H&P had to invent Yet Another GUI System - Reaction."
Inventing another GUI system is bollox , its classAct.MUI is to OTT IMHO to be an os'es offical gui. Try the icon information part of os 3.9 , you'll find all those little tools there handy for replacing MagicWorkbench icons etc.
"The PPC cards were far to expensive for the little performance they delivered. And there aren't even all that much PPC-only software titles."
IIRC you said the PPC cards kept the amiga alive until now , you just stepped on your own toes and proved the point i am making , you bitch and scream about things you know nothing about.
"WW7 neither ran good on Picasso."
Proving my point again , you said AW2 stank , but it ran fine on RTG and Chipset gfx clearly making it a better product in some ways to the godly Ww.
"My view of Amiga was much more positive than now. The difference is that I am just being realistic, unlike you.
"
No your telling us we're wrong to buy amigaOne's and that os 4 is crap. Your also trying to tell us H&P screwed us over all the time which is clearly wrong. H&P may have made mistakes , but they have benefited us and little idiots like you have no right in hell to insult them. And i thought you'd be praising H&P for *ripping off* nasty amiga inc that have f*cked us over boohoo.
Rant over.
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Posted by Don cox on 04-Jul-2002 14:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
"Amiga Writer 2 is good but... SLOW and BUGGY."
It's not good in any way. It has no screen mode requester and no ARexx
port, which makes me think it was thrown together by somebody who
never uses Amigas.
The famous Word import only does text - no tables or graphics. There
are datatypes that do that.
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Posted by darklite on 04-Jul-2002 15:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (cOrpse):
Maybe we can continue this conversation when you stop putting words into my mouth.
AC97Mixer v2.0 for Amithlon : Comment 29 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 04-Jul-2002 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (cOrpse):
> Well for a start its a b*tch to get the original os3.9 cd to install
> on UAE and IIRC the only way to get a good install was pirate releases ,
> naugthy boy.
LOL! You REALLY shouldn't comment on things you're clueless about.
All you needed to install the original OS 3.9 on to UAE is make sure that sound emulation was turned on. Doh!
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Posted by cOrpse on 04-Jul-2002 17:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Bill Hoggett):
gets to copying AUX and stops , installs fine on the real thing and i've tried a couple different cd's. 3.5 installs fine tho , so thats what i use.
The os 3.9 cd won't `isobust` either so there we go , but i here there's two different versions , maybe one installs correctly.
The amithlon os 3.9 is reported to install and the pirate release so there's two solutions.
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Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 04-Jul-2002 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (cOrpse):
Bitch to install OS3.9 on UAE? Perhaps, if you're not clever, and use run UAE on windows, since windows gets confuesed over AUX which is an illegal filename on wintendos. Personally I had no problems. and yes I did buy it, OS3.5 twice and OS3.9 once.
As for OS3.5/0 being brought to us by H&P.. not really, there's not much code in there which really is done by H&P as a company, at best you can say the organised it and half of the developers didnt even get their their money.
And AW2 stinks no matter what you run it on, I was kinda excited at some point about this new wonderfull wordprocessor and so I offered to do the norwegian translation, hence I actually got AW2 for free. However it is not usable for the things I wanted to use it for, due to buggy printing and all over instability.
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Posted by cOrpse on 04-Jul-2002 20:56 GMT
"Bitch to install OS3.9 on UAE? Perhaps, if you're not clever, and use run UAE on windows, since windows gets confuesed over AUX which is an illegal filename on wintendos. Personally I had no problems. and yes I did buy it, OS3.5 twice and OS3.9 once."
yeah i'm a windows ( on the pc) hoe :( , i got it wrong , sorry ( yes darklite that includes you :) ) , weird how my os3.5 cd installs fine tho :/
"As for OS3.5/0 being brought to us by H&P.. not really, there's not much code in there which really is done by H&P as a company, at best you can say the organised it and half of the developers didnt even get their their money."
H&P must have got their hands on the code somewhere, overwise they wouldn't have been able to refuse hyperions request for it. But how much they did of it is questionable i spose.Its still not fair to out right bitch them tho.
"And AW2 stinks no matter what you run it on, I was kinda excited at some point about this new wonderfull wordprocessor and so I offered to do the norwegian translation, hence I actually got AW2 for free. However it is not usable for the things I wanted to use it for, due to buggy printing and all over instability."
i found AW2 better the WW7 simply because i could see what i was typing on AW2 ( RTG bug in WW7 ? ) , It imported my large text filled word documents too which was handy :). Altho i've never printed with it, i don't think my printers supported in turbo print :( , i want my epson back.
AC97Mixer v2.0 for Amithlon : Comment 33 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Budda on 05-Jul-2002 07:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Don cox):
"It's not good in any way. It has no screen mode requester and no ARexx
port, which makes me think it was thrown together by somebody who
never uses Amigas."
Don't you use the Storm Wizard Screen Manager tool to set what screen it (AW2) opens on? Just like MUI and its PSI tool.
AC97Mixer v2.0 for Amithlon : Comment 34 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 05-Jul-2002 08:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Budda):
Storm screen manager (wherever that might be hidden) is not a
substitute for a screen mode selector in the program's preferences.
The default for any program that is not just a little one-window
utility should be to open its own public screen with an ASL requester
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