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[News] MacOnLinux (MOL) Runs on AmigaONEG3-SEANN.lu
Posted on 04-Jul-2002 11:20 GMT by Fran50 comments
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In the yahoo amigaone mailing list there is a post obout MacOnLinux running in the amigaone read it "Just thought I'd let it be known to the people interested in running Mac apps that I successfully ran MOL on my AmigaOne developer board. It was able to boot Mac OS 9 from a partition on a SCSI drive from my PowerMac 8500 that I installed in my AmigaOne. It took less than 30 minutes to download, compile, install, and configure following the instructions on the www.maconlinux.com website. It runs at least as well or better then MacOnLinux ran on my 8500 running YDL 2.1 Linux. I'm under the impression that MOL runs better with the newworld ROMs and will be testing that shortly. The nice thing was that there wasn't any problems in getting in running. PS. I'm running YellowDogLinux 2.2 on my AmigaOne Adam"
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Posted by Fran on 04-Jul-2002 09:21 GMT
How difficult could be port it to AmigaOS 4?!!!!!!!!
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Posted by José on 04-Jul-2002 10:36 GMT
This is really the app that makes people feel secure in the investment they might be considering towards an AmigaOne. Shame it really can't be publicised that much I think. Is it legal to do that? If so, the future is even brighter:) People could even run Word and Excel, if they really need to, while keeping their Amiga:)
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Posted by Ryu on 04-Jul-2002 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Fran):
there seems to be a few misconceptions about OS4, all legacy software will run on it through the 68k
emulator so long as the program in question doesnt hit any of the other custom chips. Also all WOS software
will work on the A1 and i assume so will Pup software by a similar method thats used atm to get pup
software to run in a WOS environment. Therefore it will work on OS4, making a specific version might speed
it up again slightly but theres nothing to say the current 68k or WOS versions wont work.
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Posted by Ryu on 04-Jul-2002 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ryu):
erk completely wrong thread :)
I'll go back to sleep now
DOH DOH DOH DOH DOH DOH
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Posted by cOrpse on 04-Jul-2002 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Fran):
AmigaOS *currently* lacks alot of unix world features to compile their stuff out of the box ( even on GG ) , i reckon it would be a major hack to get it ported to amigaOS at this stage but in the future it could all be possible :)
Having it running on the linux side of the amigaOne is still good as it gives another opening *mac users* :D and it means we can boot into linux and print that word doc off when we need or play with photoshop for a bit.
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Posted by Budda on 04-Jul-2002 12:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (cOrpse):
...and would you really go out and purchase some Mac applications to run on the Linux side once in a while?
Sounds like just another reason to encourage piracy, although this time of Apple software.
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Posted by Wise Saying on 04-Jul-2002 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Budda):
Thief thinks everyone steals.
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 04-Jul-2002 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Budda):
I believe there are a few Amiga owners that have Macs as well. Knowing they can run some apps that they have from their Mac might encourage them to take a look at the AmigaOne. Please remember that as with UAE/Amiga/Forever/Amithlon, the intention is to use "legal" software. I used a SCSI drive out of my Mac in my AmigaOne and thought I'd give it a shot....and it worked following the instructions on the MacOnLinux website. Similar issues existed with previous Mac emulators for the Amiga as far as piracy is concerned.
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Posted by cheesegrate on 04-Jul-2002 13:29 GMT
this is really good news! And for the pegasos as well.
It is important to note that mac on linux is not really an emulator. Because it is only avaible for linuxppc it runs macos natively at near native speeds.
As soon as it has firewire i'm going to have a play with it.. ;)
Keep up teh good work adam!
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Posted by cOrpse on 04-Jul-2002 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Budda):
"Sounds like just another reason to encourage piracy, although this time of Apple software."
I think having anything pirate software can run on encourages pirate software, be it the real thing or an emulator. Emulators usually encourage piracy quickly becuase of the availability of rom images etc .. but the same isn't really true of computer platform emulators , because if your going to use pirate stuff on that its just as easy to do it on the real thing.
And if you want to discover the reasoning behind piracy its easy , i run .net server on my pc when that comes out retail its going to cost a pretty penny and users will still have to pay for many service packs after to have a working product which is unacceptable, i'll only pay half for a half arsed , half working piece of software. Many people pirate console software because of the overwhelming amount of crap being produced , you'll find people buy the *gems* and only a few people that can get pirate stuff easilly pirate everything.
I pay for amiga software because :
A: Its rare that i buy some , maybe 1 or 2 bits a year because there isn't much coming out.
B: Its well priced if you think how many copies are going to be sold etc.
C: Its usually of a good quality.
D: It runs on my amiga.
And if you want to crack down on mac piracy go and stomp out the group that produces their serials 2000 eqiv. thats go to be a major player over emulators.
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Posted by Ethan on 04-Jul-2002 14:27 GMT
Well, this is it. I am now definately buying an AmigaOne! I have nothing to lose, even if Amiga Inc goes belly up, I will still have me a G3 mac! Now thats security!
I'm off to buy my $50 coupon!
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jul-2002 14:46 GMT
A better solution would be if development of iFusion continued. Then we wouldn´t have to go through linux to start macOS. And we would also have the opportunity to run macOS and AmigaOS simultaneous.
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jul-2002 15:43 GMT
That's very cool - does Q3 and UT run, too? :-))
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Posted by José on 04-Jul-2002 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Yeah, iFusion would be cool. But what's happenned to it?:(
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jul-2002 16:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (José):
IIRC Virtual Programming (www.vpltd.com) took over development after blittersoft handed in the towel (blittersoft bought iFusion from Microcode Solutions). There used to be an iFusion section on vp´s site, but it´s gone now, so my guess is that development has seized for good :(
With the latest patches (1.3) iFusion was usable, but it lacked e.g. network support, and still had some way to go before it reached the same level of usefulnes as the 68k version.
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Posted by Samface on 04-Jul-2002 21:11 GMT
This is great news, this just wiped away the slightest shadow of a doubt for me. The coupon is mine.
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Posted by Andreas Wolf on 04-Jul-2002 21:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Last thing they said (here on ANN) is that they will continue iFusion development as soon as AOS4.0 appears.
MacOnLinux (MOL) Runs on AmigaONEG3-SE : Comment 18 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jul-2002 01:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Samface):
Where is the Pegasos coupon?
MacOnLinux (MOL) Runs on AmigaONEG3-SE : Comment 19 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by to the idiot who posted this news and the rest th on 05-Jul-2002 03:14 GMT
well you idiot the A1 is a mac clone .
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Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jul-2002 03:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
If it wher based on the true Amiga archticture. Not the hardware that the A1 is based on now.
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Posted by BE as you are on 05-Jul-2002 03:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Samface):
Then you should want to get the Pegasos system which is better and avaible right now.
Whats your excuse now. Oh yeah, you think the A1 is the best ,boy do you need a wakeup call.
The A1 isnt G5 or G6 ready,let alone Dual G4,G5,G6 ready liek the Pegasos, besides Pegasos is going
to be directly supporting macos thru morphos. At the very least you can run it now thru linux .
Secondly, You have to buy yourself into the club to say your an amigan. Wrong, an Amigain
is an Amigain becasue he knows great hardwarea and software when he sees it and he stands by it.
None of which is anywhere near your corner. So you buy yourself into the fold. This is for unamigans
trying to be amigains. Not unlike communists trying to hide their true nature and be Americans.
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Posted by The cheeser on 05-Jul-2002 03:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
Pegasos doesnt need to be bought into. The Pegasos can be bought now. The coupon deal jsut sows you what a ripoff
the A1 is. Its like giving you 1500 for a yugo ,because nobody in their right mind would get it otherwise. They are trying to buy
you off.
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Posted by Johan "Graak" Forsberg on 05-Jul-2002 03:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (The cheeser):
Tsk, tsk, tsk Shawn..
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Posted by xchristofferx on 05-Jul-2002 03:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (The cheeser):
To comments 21 and 22: Ahh, finally someone just had to ruin the thread and post their usual truckload of garbage, thank you for enlightening us with your infinite wisdom.
Oh, and no, the A1 is NOT a Mac clone - it's a PowerPC based *Amiga*
motherboard that seems to be somewhat capable of running Apple software. The A1 has no newworld or classic Macintosh ROM's and is, AFAIK, not capable of running MacOS naitively - thus not a real Mac clone. And we should be really happy that this is infact NOT the case. If Eyetech were to produce a real Mac clone, it wouldn't be long untill Apple were all over them, I'm afraid.
However, it'd be interesting to see if anyone could get darwin running on this thing later on :).
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Posted by xchristofferx on 05-Jul-2002 03:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Samface):
Sorry for going OT.
Hey, samface. Long time no see old pal :). Do you still have that PartyPack invoice number? It's about time we figured out how to collect the $100/OS4 offer :).
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Posted by Hagge on 05-Jul-2002 04:53 GMT
ROTFL! This "news" actually made it on slashdot =D
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Posted by Eva on 05-Jul-2002 06:45 GMT
Excuse me, but this is ridicoulus to say that thanks to an emulator the amigaone has got a better future :)
First of All, MacOnLinux runs only under Linux.
Second
IT'S A YEAR THAT MAC ON LINUX RUN ON THE PEGASOS UNDER LINUX!!!
Sigh...I have to publish all news of linux software running under Linux on Bplan?
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Posted by St Thomas on 05-Jul-2002 09:10 GMT
This snapshot is a killer : http://amigaone.homeip.net/images/snapshot2.gif
I'm so glad I bought this 50$ coupon !
We WILL be able to run AmigaOS, Linux with openoffice, mame and MOL for stuff like Now-up-to-date, Go-live or Filemaker pro. The best of both worlds ! What do we want more ? Maybe the return of big apps and games but this is already worth the price.
Champagne !
MacOnLinux (MOL) Runs on AmigaONEG3-SE : Comment 29 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 05-Jul-2002 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Eva):
"Excuse me, but this is ridicoulus to say that thanks to an emulator the amigaone has got a better future :)
First of All, MacOnLinux runs only under Linux."
It does however show the amigaOne *hardware* is up to the task and amiga OS if it gets certain features that MOL needs from the host os a port could be possible.
"Second
IT'S A YEAR THAT MAC ON LINUX RUN ON THE PEGASOS UNDER LINUX!!! "
Yeah and that PDA dev system still isn't in the mainstream , they've probaly noticed that they've never going to get it into a pda sized case and are trying to work out some other *new age* scam to sell it to you.
"Sigh...I have to publish all news of linux software running under Linux on Bplan? "
This is an amigaOne thread , it didn't say "amigaOne kicks pegasos in nuts and runs mol first" did it ? if it had you would have had reason to maybe bitch but as it stands it says "amigaOne reported to run mol under linux" and nothing about the pegasos or being first , so shut the f*ck up! :P.
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Posted by Darrin on 05-Jul-2002 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Eva):
>>Sigh...I have to publish all news of linux software running under Linux on Bplan?
No you don't. Why is it that you fail to understand that some of us don't give a damn what runs on those precious vapourware Pegasos boards of yours? The AmigaOne is already in more hands than there are Pegasos mobos in existance. The fact that some cobbled-together, garage-made mobo ran MOL a year ago (and exactly how stable was it?) means nothing.
On the other hand, why not post it to Morph Network News so that the 10-20 people that read it can benefit from your pearls of wisdom.
Oh, I get it now - there's one less argument you can use in the "Pegasos v AmigaOne" war so you had to post a lame comment to cry about it.
My heart bleeds for you... not!!!
MacOnLinux (MOL) Runs on AmigaONEG3-SE : Comment 31 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 05-Jul-2002 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (cOrpse):
Damn cOrpse, you beat me to it!!! :)
MacOnLinux (MOL) Runs on AmigaONEG3-SE : Comment 32 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jul-2002 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Darrin):
AmigaOne is a stupid hardware and you defending it makes you stupid, too! B-)
MacOnLinux (MOL) Runs on AmigaONEG3-SE : Comment 33 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by PointlessReviewsInc on 05-Jul-2002 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
>>AmigaOne is a stupid hardware and you defending it makes you stupid, too! B-)
In order to determine just how stupid the average AmigaOne motherboard is, we decided to put it to the test along with a Pegasos, a kindergarten kid and a college student. We provided each contestant with a simple general knowlege test, a pencil and an answer paper, then we recorded the results:
AmigaOne: The AmigaOne simply lay on the desk and made no attempt to either pick up the pencil and answer any of the questions. Score0.
Pegasos: The Pegasos refused to show up, but we did get a letter from Thendic claiming that if it had then it would have scored 110% on the test. Scoredisqualified.
Kindergarten Kid: The kindergarten kid refused to use the pencil and brought his own green crayon. The kid then answered "C" to all the questions without reading them, drew a picture of a stick-man and wet himself. Score25%.
College Student: The college student finally arrived 5 minutes before the test was due to finish claiming his alarm clock had failed to go off. The hung-over young man then lit a joint and fell asleep at the desk. Score0.
From this test we can see that the AmigaOne motherboard is no more or no less as stupid as the average college student. Eyetech assure us that the AmigaOneXL will out-perform the kindergarten kid due to the inclusion of a G4 processor. Thendic, we feel, are full of $h1t. :)
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Posted by cOrpse on 05-Jul-2002 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Darrin):
you can have this one mate :P
"AmigaOne proves itself by beating the pegasos at being the first to be used for something moderatly useful"
Demo's are nice eva , but WHERE'S THE BEEF ;) not in the hands of users ( not even dev users like the amiOne ) thats for sure.
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Posted by cOrpse on 05-Jul-2002 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (The cheeser):
I bet you cried when the non-existent amiga one started being used by real people.
MacOnLinux (MOL) Runs on AmigaONEG3-SE : Comment 36 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 05-Jul-2002 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (PointlessReviewsInc):
(+65536, funny as hell)
Hey, I really mean that. Your post made my day :-)
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Posted by 3seas on 05-Jul-2002 15:45 GMT
There is an article on Slashdot about this. I recommend people read the comments over there.
As there seems to be alot of hype which includes "That's sold me on the coupon/club" crap
going on here.
But then if hype is all you want to hear, and not stuff that is probably alot more on the
honesty target, then don't.
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 05-Jul-2002 15:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (cOrpse):
I forgot to mention, my AmigaOne IP Bitchslapped me after I pissmarked it with MacOS....hehehehehe ;) I forgot to exclude the IPB port support in the kernel. Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Posted by Darrin on 05-Jul-2002 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Ole-Egil):
>>Hey, I really mean that. Your post made my day :-)
Thanks mate - you can tell when I'm bored at work. Did you catch my PointlessReviewsInc review of the $50 coupon a week ago? I was REALLY bored then ;)
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Posted by basicbsd on 05-Jul-2002 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (xchristofferx):
Wake up all of you, but then again thats why this channel is called the idiot channel,
because you dont know who is writing what and secondly you dont know what hardware is what.
In affect you couldnt see your a%^ from your elbow ,if you could see in the first place.
Dam bunch of morons in here.
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Posted by strobe on 05-Jul-2002 16:58 GMT
This is as legal as running AmigaOS on Apple hardware. In other words it isn't.
You can run MOL on Apple licenced hardware only.
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Posted by strobe on 05-Jul-2002 17:07 GMT
BTW somebody on this forum said that MacOS would never run natively on the AmigaOne because it doesn't have the Apple ROM. He may be right about MacOS never running on the AmigaOne natively, but not because of any ROM!
Apple hardware hasn't had a hardware ROM in a looong time. MacOS has loaded a ROM file into RAM since system 8.6 for the simple reason of speed. Back in the days of the Mac Plus the ROM was faster than the RAM, but for a long time now the opposite has been true.
Anyway you won't see MacOS on any non-Apple licenced hardware for the simple fact that it's as illegal as AmigaOS on non-Amiga licenced hardware.
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Posted by RC on 05-Jul-2002 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
iFusion is still available, and we may in the near futre be releasing updtes for registered users, depending partly on cooperation of the original programmer (Joe Fenton).
In the meanwhile, you may order iFusion at:
http://www.merlancia.com/ifusion/
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Posted by 3seas on 05-Jul-2002 18:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Adam Kowalczyk):
And just think of that poor little penguin who tail you are ridding on.
GPL and open source software.......where whould you be without it?!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jul-2002 18:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (RC):
Hey RC, where is your Tsunami?
Or are you selling relabeled TeronCX now, too?
MacOnLinux (MOL) Runs on AmigaONEG3-SE : Comment 46 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jul-2002 18:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (strobe):
What if you tell the Apple salesperson in the shop you want to run it on some
CHRP/POP board and they sell it to you nevertheless - might it become legal again?
MacOnLinux (MOL) Runs on AmigaONEG3-SE : Comment 47 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 05-Jul-2002 18:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Darrin):
No. Was it funny? I COULD look for it myself, but being a lazy bugger ;-)
MacOnLinux (MOL) Runs on AmigaONEG3-SE : Comment 48 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 05-Jul-2002 19:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Ole-Egil):
I got quite a few private emails from people who found it funny including one awfully nice chap from Audio Labs. Here you go:
<A href="http://anna.amigazeux.org/comments2.cgi?view=1025016457&category=news#message27">COUPON_REVIEW</A>
MacOnLinux (MOL) Runs on AmigaONEG3-SE : Comment 49 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 05-Jul-2002 19:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Darrin):
Ok, what the hell did I do wrong???
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1025016457&category=news#message27
MacOnLinux (MOL) Runs on AmigaONEG3-SE : Comment 50 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 06-Jul-2002 10:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Darrin):
LOL :-)
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