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Posted on 15-Jul-2002 06:57 GMT by SimplePPC116 comments
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Mike Bouma did an excellent write-up on OS 4 for OS news. Includes 5 unreleased screenshots. The article can be found here.
OS 4 coverage on OS news : Comment 51 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by X on 15-Jul-2002 11:57 GMT
Progress! Ahh.. :)
This looks a lot better than the previous screenshots.
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Posted by AmiTroll on 15-Jul-2002 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Fabio Alemagna):
>I'f it's completely out of the screen, then you cannot manually put it inside the screen, but this is something that can happen only if the programmer decided it to happen, therefore I don't see the problem.
Well, you sort of missed my point. The programmer may have developed on a 1900 wide screen and your running in a 800 wide, but he places his windows to open at specific coordinates rather than an offset from upper left. Or, someone menus up to window/snapshot/all then archives the directory. You unarchive it, click the drawer open and find the window resides outside your current screen dimentions. What if the window opens at the very left but is SO wide that you can't click on the sizeing gadget or snap gadget? Without this feature, the window will always open within the screen, even if it's resized down and you have to scroll over to see some icons. Thats what the scroll bars were made for anyway. Still, i expect there will be a window manager of sorts so you can pop windows back into the viewport. However, i would still prefer to live with this option switched off just so i don't have to go through the extra hassle of bringing windows back into the screen and re-snapshoting them.
GRUNT
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Posted by Chris Y on 15-Jul-2002 12:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (kjetil):
Yes, that's right, but my original point was that the requestor automatically retries itself when it picks up that the disk has been inserted.
Chris
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Posted by Chris Y on 15-Jul-2002 12:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (AmiTroll):
I don't think that will happen - I very much doubt Intuition will allow a window to open outside the physical area of the screen, I suspect the same rules for OpenWindow() will apply in OS4 as they do currently - ie. windows are moved inside the physical screen borders.
Chirs
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Posted by catohagen on 15-Jul-2002 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Bifford the Youngest):
the screenshoots are infact 1024*768 :)
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 15-Jul-2002 12:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (AmiTroll):
If you consult the Autodocs for intuition.library/OpenWindowTagList(), window positions are moved to make sure that the window resides on the screen, and if necessary the window is also resized if it is bigger than the screen. I really don't think there is any point in changing this behaviour just because the new intuition allows the user to then drag the window off the edge of the screen.
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Posted by ehaines on 15-Jul-2002 13:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (amigammc):
> >as AmigaOS auto-detects when the disk has been inserted
> It's actually a "feature" of the floppy disk drive (the famous annoying
> clicking sound every few seconds)
It *is* a feature of AmigaOS, actually, since you can turn the annoying
clicking sound off and it still works. Also it works with CDs, Zip disks,
MO disks, and other removable media.
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Posted by anonymous on 15-Jul-2002 13:49 GMT
Kudos to Hyperion et al... things look to be progressing nicely.
Like many others, I will be happy to jetison some of the dated elements of the OS, but with compatibility being critical this is all encouraging news.
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Posted by Troels E on 15-Jul-2002 14:15 GMT
Looks pretty good!
Funny to read the comments to the article on OSnews. Most of the positive comments are from former Amiga users, who stopped using their Amiga's years ago.
All the negative crap obviously comes from anonymous people who seems to have a bit more knowledge about the current battle between AmigaOS and MorphOS, and offcourse the POP board fans (who are allways ready to tell you a little story about ALL the POP board developers and the BIG BIG market for the boards:-).
To me it seems all they try to achieve is to damage Amiga/Hyperion/Eyetech as much as possible, they are nothing but TROLLS. At least they look more and more desperate...thats a good thing!
BTW: Nice article, Mike!
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Posted by joe on 15-Jul-2002 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (ehaines):
>
>> It's actually a "feature" of the floppy disk drive (the famous annoying
>> clicking sound every few seconds)
>
>It *is* a feature of AmigaOS, actually, since you can turn the annoying
>clicking sound off and it still works. Also it works with CDs, Zip disks,
>MO disks, and other removable media.
BTW: For the memo. Would be cool if the new OS would re-read the RDB on
removeable drives and remount the partitions on that drive. Would be very interesting for ZIP etc. if you have a different partition layout (or file system) on different media.
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 15-Jul-2002 15:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Troels E):
"All the negative crap obviously comes from anonymous people who seems to have a bit more knowledge about the current battle between AmigaOS and MorphOS, and offcourse the POP board fans (who are allways ready to tell you a little story about ALL the POP board developers and the BIG BIG market for the boards:-)."
There's a few x86 supporters out there too. The comments on OSNews would be complete as soon as something about "IP Bitchslapping" and "piss-marking" are made ;) I have a hard time believing there are any POP board makers out there that built/designed their POP board with the intention of running OS 4.0 other than Eyetech.
Personally, I feel that there are many more people out there with Amigas that are taking the wait and see attitude with respect to bellying up to the bar and purchasing an AmigaOne. I think we'll see an upgrade frenzy once the new hardware and OS 4.0 is available. Time will tell....
Well done Mike!
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Posted by Solar on 15-Jul-2002 16:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Fabio Alemagna):
> I'f it's completely out of the screen, then you cannot manually
> put it inside the screen, but this is something that can happen
> only if the programmer decided it to happen, therefore I don't
> see the problem.
Uh, beware of the details.
Imagine: Apps save their window size / position on exit. You reduce the resolution, start the app again... where did it go? (With a whole application, this is not that serious - you can use the task bar or whatever you got to control applications to get it back.
But we had that problem once with a (blocking!) requester *within* an application, which happened to be completely off-screen, leaving the impression our application had locked up... bloody nuisance to find that bug.
Can be solved with some sanity checking by the GUI engine, though, moving windows back into view if they are too far off.
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Posted by anonymous on 15-Jul-2002 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Adam Kowalczyk):
I have to admit, I side with the x86 supporters. It would be interesting to see where Amiga/Hyperion stand in terms of a business model, but if the long range plan is to have 'Amiga Anywhere' this only makes sense.
Piracy and driver support are always a concern but piracy is inevitable and a cottage driver industry has been a saving gracing for the system for years.
As for the architectural disparities, before someone jumps in with the endian argument we've heard it many times before -- it can be done and will have to be done if the 'Anywhere' mandate is to be realized. Ditto goes for compatibility - if you're still running ancient software you need to catch up a decade.
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Posted by z5 on 15-Jul-2002 17:49 GMT
nice article, good looking screenshots.
Keep up the good work!
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 15-Jul-2002 17:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (anonymous):
"As for the architectural disparities, before someone jumps in with the endian argument we've heard it many times before -- it can be done and will have to be done if the 'Anywhere' mandate is to be realized."
I think you are underestimating the endian issue. There will be issues not unlike when drivers are ported from the x86 to PPC under Linux. It's also not just about compatibility within an old m68k data, but also files stored in big endian format that are to be used by different pieces of software. I feel that only when the OS is truly written in VP will it make sense to run on x86 and other platforms. I started to get the impression that running an entire OS written in VP isn't the big prize anymore, although I see it as a big plus that's worth the slight hit in performance. Imagine the freedom that CPU designers would have knowing they can change the underlying architecture completely and only have the software people worry about the VP translation layer.
Forget the Amiga for a second and think of the power that this would add to Linux that was compiled to run under VP. Truly portable binaries, the Holy Grail of the IT world. This would be fantastic technology and allow for more competition in the CPU industry and OS industry. Since it would enable competition, that's exactly why I suspect it would be crushed. With the concept of VP, Windows just might run everywhere, but the same could be true for other OS's.
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Posted by Chris Y on 15-Jul-2002 18:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Solar):
> Imagine: Apps save their window size / position on exit. You reduce the
> resolution, start the app again... where did it go?
Have you tried this?
> But we had that problem once with a (blocking!) requester *within* an
> application, which happened to be completely off-screen, leaving the impression
> our application had locked up... bloody nuisance to find that bug.
Should never happen.
> Can be solved with some sanity checking by the GUI engine, though, moving
> windows back into view if they are too far off.
Already does it.
If you are having problems with windows opening off screen then you must be running some seriously nasty hacks - intuition.library by default will not allow you to do this (and, besides, you can't even move windows off the screen after you open them yet - without a hack)
Chris
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Posted by Frans on 15-Jul-2002 18:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (kjetil):
>It's actually a "feature" of the floppy disk drive (the famous annoying clicking sound every >few seconds)
>This is actually wrong it not an feature of the floppy disk drive, it’s an feature >of the floppy disk controller, I remember hacking an PC 1.44 drive to work as an >880k Amiga drive by holding the /MOT signal wile the right floppy select unit >number is low using nand logic or data-gates
Either way, I guess we won't have that function on the AmigaOne because it uses a different floppy controller, right? Using Amiga floppies is out of the question too, unless a Catweasel device is implemented...
Speaking of hardware, does anyone know if it'd be possible for some clever guys to create zorro slots to attach to the AmigaOne somehow to be able to use some of the old hardware? I guess there wouldn't be much of a point to, but I'm curious anyway.
The thing I'll miss most is probably the Amiga's genlocking function, realtime video titling and ultrasmooth scrolling are gone too, right?
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Posted by ShadesOfGrey on 15-Jul-2002 19:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Frans):
There will, supposedly, be a AmigaONE to Amiga 'Classic' bridge board. It would allow you to use the Amiga custom chips and legacy Zorro card in a 'Classic' Amiga on the A1.
And don't forget that Elbox and Matay claim they will provide new PPC accelerators for 'Classic' Amigas... Provided you have a PCI busboard. Some of these busboards include Zorro slots or allow the simultaneous use of existing Zorro slots... I forget the exact features of each product line.
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Posted by catohagen on 15-Jul-2002 19:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (ShadesOfGrey):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amiga-Mediator/message/12211/
<snip>
Here are the basic differences between Mediator and Prometheus:"
Mediator 4000 Prometheus
Number of PCI slots 5 4
PCI clock [MHz] 33/66 33
Busmastering/DMA between PCI slots YES NO
Max transfer rates between PCI cards [MB/s] 264 0
Busmastering/DMA to Amiga motherboard YES NO
Number of independent Interrupt lines 4 1
Fast Ethernet driver YES NO
Sound driver YES NO
TV tuner driver YES NO
Possibility of using PCI G3/G4 cards YES NO
</end snip>
so according to Elbox, you can't use a pci card with ppc cpu on the Prometheus...
also in the Elbox interview, theres some info about the G3 and G4 pci cards
from them, here :
http://www.amigart.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1250
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 15-Jul-2002 19:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (catohagen):
"so according to Elbox, you can't use a pci card with ppc cpu on the Prometheus..."
That is true for the original firmware in the Prometheus. Matay has new firmware coming.....real soon ;)
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Posted by catohagen on 15-Jul-2002 19:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Adam Kowalczyk):
oh...if its just a matter of firmware, then its kinda 'childish' of elbox
to keep dragging competitors trought(sp) the shit, it they enjoy so much to
set up 'charts' like this to hurt them, then later in the interview mentioned
above, they can't disclose amount of Mediator boards they've sold, because
it might stress their competitors ?
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Posted by Lando / Trinity on 15-Jul-2002 19:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (catohagen):
There's nothing wrong with Elbox bragging about their product.
If I had a damn good product, I'd tell people about it. If my product could do things that other rival products couldnt, I'd highlight them. This is what every company does - why do people expect Elbox to be different?
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Posted by Farker on 15-Jul-2002 20:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Hi):
I had no problems with MSIE 6.0
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Posted by anonymous on 15-Jul-2002 20:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Adam Kowalczyk):
No, I'm basing this on the experience of just completing a port of half a million lines of data transformation code to 5 new target platforms. For files, if you provide simple detection code you can switch the orientation in stream without modifying the source data. My point is that the biggest obstacle to overcome appears to be political more than technical.
As far as VP is concerned, the jury still appears to be out. Yes, in an ideal world this would be the most manageable solution but it still seems pretty spartan and the performance may be iffy. Amiga indicated that this is there intention for OS5, but are they working in conjunction with Hyperion to make this a reality or is it all a pipe dream?
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 15-Jul-2002 21:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (catohagen):
Cato, the firmware hasn't been released to the public yet, but there have been stirrings from Matay in the Yahoo group. Until the firmware is available, Elbox's claims are correct.
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Posted by Ed Dana on 15-Jul-2002 23:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (NihilVor):
> Some of these screen shots were unofficially released,
> but check out the requesters. :)
LOL!
Yea, I like the "User is not paying attention" requester!
That's the spirit!
Yo! User! Hurry up and press the any key, already! =)
Ed.
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Posted by amigammc on 15-Jul-2002 23:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Hi):
>Using Internet Explorer. I can't seem to view the full-size screenshots.
Works perfectly fine here with IE6, Opera 6.0 and Mozilla 1.0
OS 4 coverage on OS news : Comment 78 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 15-Jul-2002 23:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Chris Y):
Ah! Well, Win2k does the same with CD, Zip, etc. Haven't tried with a floppy because I haven't seen a floppy in years :)
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 15-Jul-2002 23:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Anders Kjeldsen said,
>You don't really think that there's an own Requester in the OS especially for
>"System is Overheating", do you ?
...and Chris Young was kind enough to make the same point.
If you read closely, I was quite aware, and just pointing out that Hyperion shouldn't make the same error Apple and MS have. IIRC, Visual Studio's help in particular is fond of 'cute' examples that break MS's own lenient guidelines. People are already talking about "the information presented" rather than "the choice presented," so if we want to advance interfaces (in general; the other players are equally guilty) out of the dark ages, someone's got to whine. :)
I did kick myself for not knowing the standard 'Insert volume.." choices off the top of my head, though!
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Posted by Solar on 16-Jul-2002 06:17 GMT
> > >as AmigaOS auto-detects when the disk has been inserted
> > It's actually a "feature" of the floppy disk drive (the famous annoying
> > clicking sound every few seconds)
> It *is* a feature of AmigaOS, actually, since you can turn the annoying
> clicking sound off and it still works. Also it works with CDs, Zip disks,
> MO disks, and other removable media.
If I remember correctly, the clicking comes from the floppy controller moving the head from track 0 to 1 and back. If the drive returns an error, there is no disk (and a "click"). The "no click" hack simply changes this behaviour to "track 0 to track 0". Be warned, this is urban legend, and might be completely wrong.
@ Chris Y:
@ Chris Y
> If you are having problems with windows opening off screen then you must
> be running some seriously nasty hacks - intuition.library by default will
> not allow you to do this
I was actually referring to an OS that *does* allow this, and *does* have the indicated problems (Windows). Glad to hear you have been aware of this.
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Posted by Don Cox on 16-Jul-2002 06:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (anonymous):
"As far as VP is concerned, the jury still appears to be out. Yes, in an ideal world this would be the most
manageable solution but it still seems pretty spartan and the performance may be iffy. Amiga indicated that
this is there intention for OS5, but are they working in conjunction with Hyperion to make this a reality or is
it all a pipe dream? "
Is it really a good idea to saddle AmigaOS with license fees payable
to Tao for ever?
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Posted by Johan Grip on 16-Jul-2002 06:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Solar):
>If I remember correctly, the clicking comes from the floppy controller moving >the head from track 0 to 1 and back. If the drive returns an error, there is >no disk (and a "click"). The "no click" hack simply changes this behaviour >to "track 0 to track 0". Be warned, this is urban legend, and might be >completely wrong.
Almost correct. THe reason for the click is that the floppydrive will not update the DSKCHG line until it has stepped the drivehead. So AmigaOS will just step the head back and forth every 2.5 seconds to check if a disk has been inserted. (No errors involved). The NoClick patch changes this behaviour to always step from track 0 to track -1. Most floppydrives will ignore this command, but will still update the DSKCHG line. Some other drives will cause an even loder click as the drivehead will indeed step to -1, which will cause a mechanical failsafe to trigger.
It is possible for standard "PC" floppycontrollers to detect diskchanges, as it has been done in both AROS and Win2k.
Regards,
Johan
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Posted by Solar on 16-Jul-2002 07:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Johan Grip):
Nice to see that my Classic Amiga related knowledge has not become *that* dusty. Thanks for the details. ;-)
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 16-Jul-2002 08:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Don Cox):
Don Cox said,
>Is it really a good idea to saddle AmigaOS with license fees payable
>to Tao for ever?
In my opinion, it's fine, if they're planned for the eventuality; Amiga and Tao both have the same goal- massive adoption of the VP system. I still believe that, if they can ever pull it off, Tao can loosen the reigns a bit- much as Sun has with Java, and eventually, perhaps, to where Bell Labs got with C. If ever there was a company that could survive off implementation/support fees, it's Tao- every new CPU will need a new translator, and further adoption may inspire more "outlandish" CPU designs, requiring further translator and HAL writing.. and yet, the translator, at least, is simple enough that they can realize reasonable turnaround, rather than steering a whale (viz MS trying to keep all WinCE flavors in sync, before defaulting on StrongARM).
I'm more worried about the companies that, unfortunately, are more bit-players to the eventual goal. I still consider the ROM bit done for the protection of Eyetech, and while I've got the utmost respect for everyone at Hyperion, what happens to the OS4 IP if they ever become marginalized, like a certain other software house? Or is the contract better for both parties in this deal? :)
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Posted by Chris Y on 16-Jul-2002 08:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Solar):
[windows opening off screen]
> I was actually referring to an OS that *does* allow this, and *does* have the
> indicated problems (Windows). Glad to hear you have been aware of this.
Ah, sorry, I thought you were talking about AmigaOS. It really doesn't surprise me that Windows allows this to happen; I think I've seen an overly large blocking requester on Windows - titlebar off the top of the screen so you can't move it anywhere, and gadget(s) off the bottom so you can't close it. Stupid. But I doubt AmigaOS will have this problem.
Chris
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Posted by 3seas on 16-Jul-2002 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Adam Kowalczyk):
Uhmmmm, maybe that's why the rest of the industry is going the route
of the developer platform part of .net?
Lets' see now. There is the CLI...Common Language Infastructure, the
CTS... Common Type system, the CIL .... Common Intermediate Language
(bytecode?), the VES... Virtual Execution System, etc...
Pretty much spelling out....use what ever language you want to write
your programs in, run them thru the CLI to produce a CIL bytecode of
your program and to run on the VES on whatever platform you have a VES
on.
application written in a specific language -> convert to common language
and placed in bytecode form -> run on Virtual execution system.
And it gets better than that too, you can mix objects objects written in
different languages.
Duh? you want links to the ECMA details?
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Posted by Rik Sweeney on 16-Jul-2002 11:23 GMT
One thing that has always bugged me is how boxes are rendered. The edges don't seem to close up properly producing an edge which looks like its still part of one of the sides. Not explaining this very well. Have a look at this:
http://www.meanmachine.ch/~vgr/cgx/CGXV5-RadeonSnap19.jpg
Have a look at the box around the screenmode list and have a look at the edges, particularly the top-right and bottom-left, you might see what I mean.
Anyway, my point is, has this been fixed?
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 16-Jul-2002 11:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Rik Sweeney):
Wow, that's quite observant. I don't know if anyone thought this was "broken" so that makes it hard to "fix". That box looks more by design than anything else. Maybe it would look better with the one colour box surrounding the other box. How would you have "fixed" it?
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Posted by anonymous on 16-Jul-2002 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Don Cox):
"Is it really a good idea to saddle AmigaOS with license fees payable
to Tao for ever?"
Depends a lot on the dividends you get in return I guess. The main problem is that Amiga haven't clearly stated the technical direction or intended market they want to go after.
If they use Tao as the foundation for OS5 what value will they be adding to the system? Will OS4 be a stepping stone to OS5?
A game plan would be nice.
OS 4 coverage on OS news : Comment 90 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 16-Jul-2002 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
"In my opinion, it's fine, if they're planned for the eventuality; Amiga and Tao both have the same goal- massive adoption of the VP system."
On the surface that sounds convincing, but where exactly does Amiga fit into this equation?
"I'm more worried about the companies that, unfortunately, are more bit-players to the eventual goal."
In most instances it appears the other way around! Not to sound dismissive, but apart from (poorly) handling press releases and promotions what exactly does Amiga do? The A1 and OS4 development effort has preoccupied most of us, but is anything else happening in the background?
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Posted by Chris Y on 16-Jul-2002 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Rik Sweeney):
If I get what you are referring to properly, the top and left-hand lines need to be black for that image to look correct - that should produce a 3D indent round the listview.
Chris
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Posted by Tonny on 16-Jul-2002 14:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Solar):
Just switch Workbench from sreen mode to window mode and you get a scroolbar problem solved
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Posted by Rik Sweeney on 16-Jul-2002 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Chris Y):
Not quite, if you look at the top left and bottom right edges of the black box surrounding the listview and that other box in the bottom right of the image with "Auto-Rollen" written in it you'll see that the corners are formed correctly. However, the top right and bottom left corners are not formed correctly. It's generally more noticable when you have thicker lines.
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Posted by Don Cox on 16-Jul-2002 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Chris Y):
It's a typical problem with the OS 3.9 Reaction. The whole thing is
just badly drawn. Whoever did the graphics for Reaction just doesn't
have the necessary talent.
On the new screen shots, the tabs are better - but still not quite
right. The title of the window area (Anzeigemodus in this case) is
still at the wrong height brelative to the line, and with not enough
gap either side. As you say, the corners are wrong.
Let's hope it all gets fixed so we have a GUI that looks professional.
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 16-Jul-2002 15:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (anonymous):
"If they use Tao as the foundation for OS5 what value will they be adding to the system? Will OS4 be a stepping stone to OS5?"
OS4 is a stepping stone from the point of view that it will pretty much be written in C. Once the code is retargetable and has all the hooks it needs to be supported by multiple platforms and hardware, Tao/VP might become much more attractive. If an OS runs on different platforms executing binary portable code, it would be an accomplishment not yet seen in the industry. That will turn a lot of heads. I can see why the PDA and set top people would be interested in that type of OS as they are the ones that take advantage of new CPUS for cost reductions reasons, yet do not have the time to redevelop an OS for the new CPUS. Linux is a great alternative, but it still requires porting to new targets. Reduced time to market is something companies would be willing to pay licensing fees for. This would also allow companies to concentrate on developing markets for their products rather than developing OS's and hardware.
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Posted by 3seas on 16-Jul-2002 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Adam Kowalczyk):
Java....write once run anywhere you have the Java engine
Tao VP.....write once run anywhere you have the Tao VP engine
.net/dotgnu/mono CLI.....write once and run anywhere you have the
Virtual Execution System engine (or whatever that engine is being called)
Write a program in Python and run it thru the Python interpreter (which does convert it to bytecode first)
or send it thru the CLI and get bytecode that will run on the VES.
SHEEP, a scripting language, an interpreted language, a compiled language.....
What is the CTS/CIL of the CLI of .net?
Amiga Component Model...
What is the ability to use objects written in different languages, together? CLI
Amiverse.....
What is resource tracking?
:)
What does the future of Amiga have that MS and GNU don't?
The name Amiga.
:)
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Posted by Rik Sweeney on 16-Jul-2002 16:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Don Cox):
By the way, that screenshot is from CGX5 for MorphOS, I was just using it as an example...
OS 4 coverage on OS news : Comment 98 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Y on 16-Jul-2002 17:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Rik Sweeney):
Ah, right. Looks like there is a pixel missing (or is it a different colour). Fortunately my eyesight isn't good enough to notice that sort of thing normally. It does look a bit dodgy, normal GadTools-style borders have an overlap (but thick borders which look a bit odd in 1:1 ratio), and I thought even thin style Reaction had properly formed corners - I haven't studied them that closely though. What GUI system is that? If it is from MorphOS and not running an AmigaOS GUI engine, then this won't affect us anyway, will it?
Chris
OS 4 coverage on OS news : Comment 99 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 16-Jul-2002 17:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (3seas):
Tim, I dont' quite see your point. The point I was trying to make is that the concept of write once run anywhere has not been done for an entire OS. This is what the PDA and STB market and possibly games machines will take advantage of when it becomes available as it gives your software independence from the hardware you're running on with only a minor performance penalty.
OS 4 coverage on OS news : Comment 100 of 116ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Croft on 16-Jul-2002 18:05 GMT
Q: Why is Morph OS and AROS such an issue?
Although they may be great additions for the future. A1 and OS4 are the next logical step for Amiga.
I'd just like to see a good package with lots of software support firstly. If somebody thinks they can do better then let the buying public decide.
Insults and abuse are not going to help convince people that you have a superior platform. That is really unprofessional behaviour.
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