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[Files] RealNetworks goes OpensourceANN.lu
Posted on 23-Jul-2002 01:26 GMT by .john27 comments
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Fighting Microsoft Media Realnetworks has introduced a new multimedia- platform called HELIX. Helix consists of a encoder, client and server and is able to playback 55 currently known media types, including RealMedia, Microsoft Media, Quicktime, MPEG2 and 4 and several others. The source shall become available to the public within the next 90 days. Realnetworks wants to achieve presence on all of the platforms in use today. For the Amiga this could mean an incredible win ! I doubt, 68k will be quick enough to do decent decoding of modern streaming formats, but for PPC and Amithlon users things should be great ! It seems the opensource offer is restricted to the client (aka player) only. Some of the companies which signalled support for Helix are: Cisco, Hitachi, HP, Intel, Lindows, NEC, Nokia, Opera, Oracle, PalmSource, Pinnacle, Red Hat , Sony, ST Microelectronics, Sun, Symbian, Texas Instruments and TiVO.
RealNetworks goes Opensource : Comment 1 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Minuous on 23-Jul-2002 01:09 GMT
Yes, but does it do IFF ANIM?
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 23-Jul-2002 01:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Minuous):
If it is opensource someone can add it :)
I don't think it is the best choice for streaming video ...
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 23-Jul-2002 04:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Christophe Decanini):
Christophe Decanini said,
>If it is opensource someone can add it :)
>I don't think it is the best choice for streaming video ...
From what I garnered from my friends paying more attention on IRC (for some reason, my Linux Realplayer on FreeBSD refused to play their stream, and RP7-on-Windows with every plugin in the book still demanded I install RealOne to view... no thanks), this is basically an open-sourcing of The Software that Makes JWZ Cry: http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2001/09.html
Further, if I get this right, the codecs are still proprietary, or at least, Real's will be. More amusing about the product in general is that, apparently, a big deal was made about 'cleanly' reverse-engineering Windows Media, when Real is supposed to have slapped a DMCA suit on a company doing the same to them.
That's all best-guess; I can't bring myself to care too much myself, even as this is no doubt an essential product for webcasters (just as the fully proprietary Real/WMP/Quicktime servers were before it, so has much changed?) ... It smells like a "Let's pray the community can fix our bugs!" effort to me, but if anyone monkeys on it and increases the adoption of Ogg formats, maybe it will end up serving a higher cause...
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Posted by A.Scott Pringle on 23-Jul-2002 06:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
I have found Quicktime/Darwin Video streaming server to be pretty good. Darwin is open source also.
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Posted by Mekanix on 23-Jul-2002 07:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
> Further, if I get this right, the codecs are still
> proprietary, or at least, Real's will be.
That's how it look right now, but things can happen over the next 90 days. I guess there will be some lobbying from the OSS-community to make Real open it all.
But as it stands, AmigaOS probably wont gain much from this. Doubt Real is interested in compiling their codecs for OS4.
> It smells like a "Let's pray the community
> can fix our bugs!" effort to me,
Same was said about Netscape, and as it turns out, most of the work on Mozilla was done inhouse. What this is about is Real not wanting ending up like Netscape, that is being strangled by M$. Going the OSS-way is their only option to further the adaption of their formats.
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Posted by Kjetil on 23-Jul-2002 10:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Mekanix):
OSSOpen Sound System (Linux sound drivers)
Hemm :- \
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 23-Jul-2002 11:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Mekanix):
"But as it stands, AmigaOS probably wont gain much from this. Doubt Real is interested in compiling their codecs for OS4"
If LinuxPPC get the codecs there is a chance that we can use it for OS4 or pegasos. Don't we already have an Amiga player using xanim codecs for playing indeo stuff ?
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Posted by Paul Hill on 23-Jul-2002 11:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Christophe Decanini):
CyberAVI uses the xanim 680x0 codecs to play Indeo.
They were originally compiled for 680x0 Sun systems.
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Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jul-2002 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Christophe Decanini):
Absolutely! I read the Ogg Vorbis post below, and there is already a MorphOS version of that one which can be run on the Pegasos. So I wouldn´t be surprised if we get this Helix thing also, shortly after it's released.
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Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jul-2002 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Christophe Decanini):
we already have a player playing G8 and G2 realmedia files
and indeo 3.x, 4.x, 5.x and svq1 and WMV7 and WMV8 and...
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Jul-2002 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Christophe Decanini):
They already compiled the codecs for Linux PPC, and Frogger 2.0 uses them
to decode real media.
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Posted by strobe on 23-Jul-2002 18:07 GMT
I wish Real Networks would go out of business. Their software sucks, their nickel-and-dime-everybody strategy sucks, their codec sucks, their stand-alone player sucks, their in-your-face registration forms suck, but most of all content providers who require Real software suck!
If it were not for corporate sponsors Real would already be dead. I hope MPEG4 kills this company, and quickly!
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Posted by Mekanix on 23-Jul-2002 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (strobe):
... and the alternative being?
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Jul-2002 21:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (strobe):
You'd better have a cold shower.
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Posted by Brad on 23-Jul-2002 22:25 GMT
REAL is the WORST spam there is. It should die a quick death and everyone should move on. Any company that advertises a free media player and offers 20 links to the pay version with a subtle layered link into the actual free download is, in my opinion, hurting.
Get REAL
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Posted by Aram Iskenderian on 23-Jul-2002 23:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Anonymous wrote:
>we already have a player playing G8 and G2 realmedia files
>and indeo 3.x, 4.x, 5.x and svq1 and WMV7 and WMV8 and...
On Amiga?On Morph OS?Where?
Can you play Windows Media 7 and 8 on Amiga?
G2 and G8 also?
Then Amiga's problems area almost over when it comes to Internet usage.
All we need now is a decent browser with JVM.
News to me.
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Posted by Aram Iskenderian on 23-Jul-2002 23:57 GMT
They did not get a license from Microsoft recently, other than their old license which is not clear if it allows them to build such a product.
Looks like we will watch another legal battle.
Real is also seeking open source help.
http://zdnet.com.com/2251-1110-945802.html
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Posted by Anonymous on 24-Jul-2002 03:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
you make it sound like that its only out for Morphos OS when it clearly says MorphOS & 060 versions.
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Posted by skipp604 on 24-Jul-2002 05:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Aram Iskenderian):
Hmm... I just thoutght that all of ya should visit http://frogger.rules.pl/
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Posted by Ralph on 24-Jul-2002 05:35 GMT
Too bad the Realmedia codecs are PPC only (68k versions would be interesting for emulator users). But the best thing on the site is hidden on the bottom of the "features" list:
"Codecs that will most likely _NEVER_ be supported
· WMA (0x161)
· QDesignMusic (QDM2)
· Sorenson Video 3 (SVQ3)
Do not ask about those codecs. If you try, you will be shot. Survivors will be shot again."
Seems the programmer has had a real hard time with those ... ;-)
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Posted by Alex on 24-Jul-2002 08:31 GMT
I don't think Real deserves any praise.
The only positive outcome of making the player Open Source is it allows people to check for trojans and the likes.
On the other hand, the Open Source community will be fixing Real's bugs for free.
It should be obvious that Real's only goal is to further their own corporate agenda, as demonstrated by an encoder that remains closed source and a costly license required to provide RealA/V support on web servers.
IMHO, proprietary formats don't belong on the web, for this matter, without open standards there wouldn't be a web at all.
The MPEG formats are more than appropriate for A/V content, and any improvement or new format should be GPL/OS/Royalty free/etc or killed in the egg by webmasters.
Alex.
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Posted by Anonymous on 24-Jul-2002 09:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (skipp604):
Well, perhaps you missed that my comment was a comment of this:
"If LinuxPPC get the codecs there is a chance that we can use it for OS4 or pegasos."
Ogg Vorbis runs on MorphOS, therefore it also runs on the Pegasos. I know that there also is a 060 version, but that was not relevant in this case!
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-Jul-2002 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Aram Iskenderian):
Frogger 2 preview.
frogger.rules.pl
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Posted by m0ns00n on 24-Jul-2002 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Kjetil):
No :) The linux sound drivers are OSS-Free :D, OSS is the commercial ones - who uses them? :P
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Posted by Alkemyst on 24-Jul-2002 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
what do you mean ofcore the 060 version is relevant.
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Posted by Alkemyst on 24-Jul-2002 14:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
Ogg Vorbis runs on 060, therefore it also runs on the AmigasOS. I know that there also is a MorphOs version, but that was not relevant in this case!
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Posted by Aram Iskenderian on 24-Jul-2002 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Yeah, but Mr. Anonymous claimed that it supports WMV8 while the site says:
Codecs that will be supported
...
...
WMV8
But hey that is a giant leap for our Amigas.
To the author, keep up the good work.
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