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[News] The "I Am Amiga" promotion has ended!ANN.lu
Posted on 26-Jul-2002 10:41 GMT by et134 comments
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And the total is.. 940. Not bad. "Countdown to the draw: The promotion has ended. Coupon count may still rise as third party dealers submit their sales. Winners will be announced soon." .. So, we could well make the 1000 mark, well done people, I hope you all order AmigaOnes as soon as they are available :) et
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Posted by Jack Erwin on 26-Jul-2002 13:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Hagge):
>but it would be nice having a UNIX there all programs actually works.
I've been working on a UNIX box for 25 years with CADD as the primary app.
Unless you use a windows emulator like TerminalServer you can't run all programs.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 26-Jul-2002 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (catohagen):
> so, now Ainc have 47000 USD....what do you think they'll use it for ?
Well, they have promised some T-shirts, and that's gonna cost something. I bet they feel that they have to give some prizes away aswell, although the result from the campain was below the lowest expectations. That's a cost. They will have to pay taxes and creditcard fees and other administration costs. And still, they will have to give the full $50 back to the customers when they buy the systems. The whole thing seems to be a big loss for Amiga Inc, unless they add $50 to the original prize when the A1 goes for sale (thus making the A1 more expensive than originally necessary) ...
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Posted by Don Cox on 26-Jul-2002 13:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Jack Erwin):
I think there is a market for a desktop computer that is neither Unix
nor Windows.
I think there is a market for a light weight, responsive single-user
OS.
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Posted by Anonymous on 26-Jul-2002 13:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (treke):
Amiga Inc. already stopped spending money on OS4 and AmigaOne development, if indeed they ever really spent any money at all. The contract signed last November explicitly says that AInc will pay NOTHING up front for the work done by Eyetech and Hyperion, even though they hope one day to collect royalties.
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Posted by dammy on 26-Jul-2002 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Anonymous):
Hey now! What right do you have to destroy these people's delusions by using facts and logic! :P
Dammy
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Posted by Troels E on 26-Jul-2002 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (David Scheibler):
David spreading FUD again!
Is that all Thendic/Bplan/Morphos hired you to do?
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Posted by amigabill on 26-Jul-2002 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
>> And the total is.. 940. Not bad.
>
>The phrase that immediately springs to mind is "pathetic".
In the view of the computer industry at large, sure, it's absolutely nothing.
From our point of view as the Amiga community, I think it's rather promising.
I myself was suprised it passed 500. Some of the numbers inthe original
announcement were a bit insane, such as 50000, as we all know that would never
happen, and I'd be suprised if there's half that that still regularly actually
use an Amiga today. I'm also sure that there's people out there that are interested
in the AmigaOne/OS4 but aren't willing to put up any money until it actually ships,
especially after the nonsense we saw with prepayments of BoXeR and Phase 5's G4
accelerator. A lot of people simply don't trust the system anymore, but will
increase that 940 number when stuff hits the store shelves. It still won't be anything
to impress a mainstream developer accustomed to low sales defined as a few hundred
thousand copies, we'll never get back to competing in the industry. Heck, Apple is barely
capable of that, and they're huge compared to us. And it's crazy for anyone here to
think we ever will, and settle for doing well according to the current Amiga market's scale.
And on this scale, I think 940 is a rather respectable beginning.
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Posted by Joanna on 26-Jul-2002 15:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Don Cox):
I surely hope to find system that's more usable tham Linux and less Orwellian than WIndowseXP.
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Posted by Don Cox on 26-Jul-2002 15:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Anonymous):
"Amiga Inc. already stopped spending money on OS4 and AmigaOne development, if indeed
they ever really spent any money at all. The contract signed last November explicitly says
that AInc will pay NOTHING up front for the work done by Eyetech and Hyperion, even
though they hope one day to collect royalties."
One day? They've already collected 940 of them.
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Posted by Don Cox on 26-Jul-2002 15:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Joanna):
"I surely hope to find system that's more usable tham Linux and less Orwellian than
WIndowseXP. "
There you are then - that's the slogan for AmigaOS 4.
Alternative - "Fast as a speeding gerbil." ;-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 26-Jul-2002 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Hagge):
Why do you hang out on Amiga sites then?
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Posted by dammy on 26-Jul-2002 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (amigabill):
940 orders for over a month is piss poor showing. Although I will agree it only represents the gulliable since none of the cash is going to Eyetech or HYPErion who are actually building the system and OS. I just don't think it's going to be that significant amount more who will buy it after they have seen it. All in all, less then a thousand should send shivers up OEMs that are dealing with Amiga. The overly hyped Kommunity support is not there. Which also means two possible reasons for the lack of support:
1. Everyone is still considering bPlan's mobo (and MOS) which means Eyetech is going to have to show their mobo is better then bPlan's.
2. No one gives a rat's ass about PPC since it's overly priced and under powered.
Dammy
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Posted by Joanna on 26-Jul-2002 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Don Cox):
Yes.. But IFF it deliveres. This waiting is getting quite boring. Ok, there are neat rumours about releasedates and features of OS4 but even those are getting quite repeating. I bet that in last 6 months there have been more people claiming that they have seen Elvis than Aone and Pegasos sightings added together.
Personally I'm going to be able to keep waiting few more undefined time units (whatever time unit is needed allthough I hope it's not longer than few months). I have this quite nice 1700+ system with bearable OS (win2k) so I can keep on using this machine for some time now. This ain't perfect but as long as I don't have to downgrade to XP (or move to Linux) I'll manage.
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Posted by KenH on 26-Jul-2002 15:51 GMT
You all have to wa-it, you all have to wa-it...na na nana na.
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Posted by Hormel Food Corporation on 26-Jul-2002 16:24 GMT
Scene: A cafe. One table is occupied by a group of Vikings with horned helmets on. A man and his wife enter.
Man (Eric Idle): You sit here, dear.
Wife (Graham Chapman in drag): All right.
Man (to Waitress): Morning!
Waitress (Terry Jones, in drag as a bit of a rat-bag): Morning!
Man: Well, what've you got?
Waitress: Well, there's Tao and Sharp; Tao Nokia and Sharp; Tao and scam; Tao Sharp and scam; Tao Sharp Nokia and scam; scam Sharp Nokia and scam; scam Tao scam scam Sharp and scam; scam Nokia scam scam Sharp scam Red Hat and scam;
Vikings (starting to chant): Scam scam scam scam...
Waitress: ...scam scam scam Tao and scam; scam scam scam scam scam scam AmigaOS scam scam scam...
Vikings (singing): Scam! Lovely scam! Lovely scam!
Waitress: ...or Pegasos Thermidor au Crevette with a Mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried MorphOS on top and scam.
Wife: Have you got anything without scam?
Waitress: Well, there's scam Tao Nokia and scam, that's not got much scam in it.
Wife: I don't want ANY scam!
Man: Why can't she have Tao Sharp scam and Nokia?
Wife: THAT'S got scam in it!
Man: Hasn't got as much scam in it as scam Tao Nokia and scam, has it?
Vikings: Scam scam scam scam (crescendo through next few lines)
Wife: Could you do the Tao Sharp scam and Nokia without the scam then?
Waitress: Urgghh!
Wife: What do you mean 'Urgghh'? I don't like scam!
Vikings: Lovely scam! Wonderful scam!
Waitress: Shut up!
Vikings: Lovely scam! Wonderful scam!
Waitress: Shut up! (Vikings stop) Bloody Vikings! You can't have Tao Sharp scam and Nokia without the scam.
Wife (shrieks): I don't like scam!
Man: Sshh, dear, don't cause a fuss. I'll have your scam. I love it. I'm having scam scam scam scam scam scam scam AmigaOS scam scam scam and scam!
Vikings (singing): Scam scam scam scam. Lovely scam! Wonderful scam!
Waitress: Shut up!! AmigaOS is off.
Man: Well could I have her scam instead of AmigaOS then?
Waitress: You mean scam scam scam scam scam scam... (but it is too late and the Vikings drown her words)
Vikings (singing elaborately): Scam scam scam scam. Lovely scam! Wonderful scam! Scam sca-a-a-a-a-am scam sca-a-a-a-a-am scam. Lovely scam! Lovely scam! Lovely scam! Lovely scam! Lovely scam! Scam scam scam scam!
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Posted by José on 26-Jul-2002 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Steve Folberg):
Nevermind it's useless to discuss somethings with some people. For the Amiga to grow it has to start from where it is, and it's just been proved than where it is it's still possible to do something. But they think these things happen all of a sudden and that the users base has to start at 10 million or something!
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Posted by gz on 26-Jul-2002 16:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (dammy):
>>Although I will agree it only represents the gulliable since none of the cash is going to Eyetech or HYPErion who are actually building the system and OS.
My thoughts exactly, which is one reason among many why I didn't buy the coupon.
I don't want a cheap t-shirt (already got a camp miggy shirt) I don't want to be a member of some kiddie club (sounds like ronald mcdonald club. "Look mom I am an AMIGA!!!") and I'm already a member (of a community) so why would I send money to AI who haven't coded a single line for os4 or soldered a single thing onto a amigaone?
If I want to show support I show it to the right people who deserve it (people behind os4) by buying the damn thing when it gets here instead of pirating. Now that's REAL support and helps hyperion and eyetech more than amiga inc ever has.
To be frank I don't give a rats ass even if AI would go bankrupt tomorrow (well maybe a little as then I would have probably lost my partypack coupon) But the future of amiga would still be the same as it is now (maybe even a bit better) because hyperion would be able to continue with the development of the amigaos without somebody mongering for licence money all the time. At least hyperion delivers.
All of AI's products during over 2 years have failed to take up (sdk development still crawling in almost stand still, No "partnerships" with nokia, corel, sharp etc...) Hyperion on the other hand has come up with heretic2, shogo, sin, decent freespace, warp3d and now working on os4. Eyetech has also come up with a product, the amigaone. So the score is 3 to 0 for hyperion/eyetech.
AI should build a product out of their executive updates as they seem to be the only thing they can deliver promptly.
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Posted by gz on 26-Jul-2002 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Hormel Food Corporation):
haha that was actually very funny when I imagined the scene taking place in a real restaurant :)
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Posted by anonymous on 26-Jul-2002 18:18 GMT
This number is actually higher than I expected, but it would be great if someone set up a poll on one fundamental question:
Would you purchase an OS4 license if it were available for x86 systems?
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Posted by m0ns00n on 26-Jul-2002 18:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Don Cox):
There are many alternatives rising.
* OpenBeOS
* BlueEyedOS
* Atheos and it's forked Twin
* Leonardo...
Just browse. You will find other in development systems.
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Posted by Amigisti on 26-Jul-2002 18:38 GMT
Heh heh heh. I think this promotion is most childist promotion ever from Amiga. Maybe they can buy some hamburgers to Hyperion programmers with the money.
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Posted by Don Cox on 26-Jul-2002 18:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (m0ns00n):
There are lots of small OS projects, but they don't have any programs.
The advantage of AmigaOS is that you can go out and buy a top class
DTP program for it, or a sample editor, or a scanner program, or an
astronomy program, or a CAD program, etc etc. Look at the list on
www.kicksoft.co.uk.
It's not like the range available for Mac or Windows, but it's a lot
more than for the others..
BeOS probably has a few programs, but does it have a DTP program?
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Posted by Anonymous on 26-Jul-2002 20:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Steve Folberg):
>And in a terrible economic climate -- PARTICULARLY in the technology sector.
?
What does this have to do with Amiga? You like to mention 9-11, too?
Sheesh, some people...
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Posted by Mahen on 26-Jul-2002 20:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (m0ns00n):
What's Leonardo BTW ?
I use BeOS on my PC but will get a Pegasos
as soon as released - that's a different world
to me...
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Posted by KenH on 26-Jul-2002 21:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Anonymous):
>What does this have to do with Amiga? You like to mention 9-11, too?
Sheesh, some people...
Yeah you div! Didn't you know Amiga ran on "love-vibes" from the community. Think next time you bring money into it.
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Posted by Hagge on 26-Jul-2002 22:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Jack Erwin):
1) I don't care how long you have runed unix
2) It doesn't matter
3) "all programs" should be read as "all programs". I can run "all kind of programs".
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Posted by Hagge on 26-Jul-2002 23:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Don Cox):
>I think there is a market for a desktop computer that is neither Unix
>nor Windows.
regular users wont notice macos is unix.
>I think there is a market for a light weight, responsive single-user
>OS.
me to, but there aren't any... i don't think there is a market for an outdated os missing a lot of what everyone is expecting os which isn't developed longer.
(sure, you can tell me someone develop amigaos, but i don't count that as "development").
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Posted by Hagge on 26-Jul-2002 23:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Anonymous):
> Why do you hang out on Amiga sites then?
because i like amiga probably?
But i'm not that stupid that i'll pay a lot for crap hw without any sw support...
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Posted by hagge on 26-Jul-2002 23:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Hagge):
shouldN'T...
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Posted by Anonymous on 26-Jul-2002 23:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Hagge):
In reply to Comment 61 (Anonymous):
>> Why do you hang out on Amiga sites then?
>because i like amiga probably?
Any which Amiga would that be?
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Posted by amigammc on 26-Jul-2002 23:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Anonymous):
You don't even have the faintest idea of what you're talking about. Amiga is financed by investors who want to see a (quick) return and are those who decide where the money goes, if instead of bickering all the time the community could show support and unity, Amiga would have a much better shot at doing things faster and better.
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Posted by dammy on 27-Jul-2002 05:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (amigammc):
Doing what faster? Spending VC (now coupons;) money faster? Now they have been doing alot of nothing, but is that what your considering them doing faster? =)
Dammy
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Posted by gz on 27-Jul-2002 06:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (amigammc):
>>instead of bickering all the time the community could show support and unity, Amiga would have a much better shot at doing things faster and better.
Maybe you are forgetting that when amiga was originally bought by amino, it had very good support and "faith" from the community for a long while.
That support started deteriorating only after amiga inc taking seemingly x amount of time for releasing products such as amigaos4 but claiming otherwise (bogus releasedates for both os and amigaone) making things too reminiscent to the situation before amino ownership (escom, gateway, p5 preorder hassles, antigravity) Also many saw the way amiga inc was handling the whole os4 project before hyperion stuck it's nose to the equation. All that and more has caused a lot of confusion, doubt and anxhiousness in the community which has exploded as heated debates, insults and as lack of unity.
You are absolutely right about investors not wanting to put their money into amiga development (os4+amigaone) but hey lets face it. We are here FOR the amiga market... How many of us would be solely interested in amigaDE only? So amiga inc is having a bit of dilemma there. Their current userbase is not interested in the product they are offering (DE) and amiga inc with it's investors is not hugely interested in the product the userbase is wanting (OS4)
Not a wonder why things don't go ahead without bickering and deteriorating "support" from the "community"
(just my 2 euros)
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Posted by Onetrack on 27-Jul-2002 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (amigammc):
>>I'm a bit puzzled why it mentions winners.. I thought prizes only
>>kicked in at 2500..?
>Bill has decided that those who have shown faith should be rewarded somehow...
I hope they do, btw. I bought in at # 263..
I have a lot of faith and optimism for Bill, Alan and crew...
( I think maybe those who purchased a coupon and shown support should be granted access to a forum base at amiga which isn't so full of trolls.. )
just my 0.02
btw.. I was hoping the numbers would be much higher.. but I know there are many Ami users today out there, and hobbiests who, like myself, wouldn't mind having an alternative computer.
Bring it on Amiga Inc, Eyetech etc.. I'm ready for it...
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Posted by Don Cox on 27-Jul-2002 09:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Onetrack):
"I think maybe those who purchased a coupon and shown support should be granted access to a forum
base at amiga which isn't so full of trolls.. "
Have you tried the existing forums on the Amiga Inc site? They are
moderated, so you should be safe from nasty trolls.
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Posted by Hagge on 27-Jul-2002 10:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Anonymous):
>>> Why do you hang out on Amiga sites then?
>>because i like amiga probably?
>Any which Amiga would that be?
Mmm, it has been all amigas of course. I liked the OS and the hardware, I liked the idea of A\Box, I liked the idea of what gateway said (until they choosed linux), I almost liked the current idea until it took a long time before anything happened and the G3/G4 was replaced with G3@600MHz.
If the A\Box was released the hw would have owned.
If the ideas from gateway where all amiga machines could have talked with eachother and they had used a QNX-based os things would have been cool.
But if a new Amiga mean low-end hardware at a regular-end price with the same os as the amigas had 10 years ago i don't really see why it's nice or anything. At 1992 the AmigaOS still owned, at 1985 it was even better compared to the rest... But the same os will not be what ppl think is the best one 2002.
And now Apple has already made devices talk to eachother in MacOS X 10.2. You can for example just have your computer close enoughgt another persons computer and he/she can automatically see and use your files (probably just if you wanted this function to be used). Or you can plug in a printer in your network and all your clients automatically finds it and can use it without any configuration.
So, I always read all news items on ann.lu, amiga is still interesting for me, but i wouldn't buy the hardware longer. AmigaDE is probably the thing for Amiga, but i don't know if that is that much "amiga", seems like most companies and so on sees it as TAO-groups work.
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Posted by ArcWave on 27-Jul-2002 10:53 GMT
I didn't pick up a coupon, but I am an Amiga fan. I plan on getting an AmigaOne once a commercial version is available. Why didn't I go get a coupon? I just didn't feel like it and I've been very busy.
I've been busy developing content for Amiga DE. Content takes time to create. I create content in my time-off from work (day job). I'd suggest being patient, content is being made, developers are hard at work. Don't expect "Castle Wolfenstein" games off the bat though, unless you can contribute to the costs involved in developing these kind of titles.
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Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jul-2002 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Don Cox):
Mmm. Koolaid.
Actually AInc doesn't have enough manpower to do anything with those forums, they're exactly as moderated as ANN. The main ones that I check are either buried in Amiga vs anti-Amiga flamewars or just dead and buried (last post: 16 July... 2001), a notable exception being DE forums which just have the same posts over and over again....
1. I hear that DE requires a disk drive. My { VIC 20, BBC Model 'B', ZX81 } doesn't have a disk drive, shouldn't there be a feature that lets us load from tape? I do have the 32Kb expansion pack, so I have plenty of RAM
2. My { PS2, microwave, IBM mainframe} runs Linux, so presumably it will be a big market for AmigaDE. When can I buy AmigaDE for that platform?
3. These games aren't so bad, but the best Amiga game was {Lemmings, Turrican, etc} when will this be available for AmigaDE?
4. AmigaDE is proven to be 80x faster than a Pentium. When Bill McEwen has all the gold in the world, will he tell us the cheat code for an A500 which makes it do 3D graphics even better than the lastest Voodoo card from 3Dfx ?
[All posts are exagerated for the purpose of humour, any resemblance to real deluded morons is incidental and not a good reason to sue me]
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Posted by Comedian on 27-Jul-2002 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Hagge):
> But if a new Amiga mean low-end hardware at a regular-end price with the
> same os as the amigas had 10 years ago i don't really see why it's nice
> or anything.
You have a point. But for some crazy reason I like that 10 year old OS and it seems that there's another 960+ users that still do. Like it or not, Amiga Inc own the rights to Amiga. I know they don't code the OS or manufacture the boards, but in this day and age I don't expect them to. Do you think that Windows is coded only by MS? I know a few companies in India that do heaps of contract coding for portions of Windows. Or do you belive that companies like HP/Dell/IBM/Compaq don't OEM a lot of their products & drivers from other companies? The fact that Amiga Inc payed money for the rights and are trying to revive the platform is ok with me. If it happens it happens. If it doesn't, too bad.
> At 1992 the AmigaOS still owned, at 1985 it was even better
> compared to the rest...
> But the same os will not be what ppl think is the best one 2002.
But it doesn't have to be the best OS in 2002. In the long run it might turn out to be a popular OS for home users. Who knows what the future holds.
It takes time to go through heaps of source code to port the AmigaOS to a new hardware architecture like the PPC. Let's assume it will take you 12 or 24 months to do. You start off with hardware that's available at the time. Two years down the track you have a stable OS but the G3 CPU and motherboard used is outdated. How easy is it then to get the OS to run on a newer G4 or future G5 board? Assuming of course there's a united community willing to support you, the user base and OS will improve.
>...some not so impressive stuff about MacOS...>
> So, I always read all news items on ann.lu, amiga is still
> interesting for me, but i wouldn't buy the hardware longer.
That's fine. Thanks for the Apple MacOS promo. However, I still can't figure out why the Amiga is still interesting for you. I can only assume you like to shit stir the ann.lu forums when you're bored with you iMac. ;-)
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Posted by Don Cox on 27-Jul-2002 12:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Hagge):
"But if a new Amiga mean low-end hardware at a regular-end price with the same os as the amigas had 10
years ago i don't really see why it's nice or anything. At 1992 the AmigaOS still owned, at 1985 it was even
better compared to the rest... But the same os will not be what ppl
think is the best one 2002.
"
Even OS 3.9 isn't the same OS as we had in 1992, which was 2.0 IIRC.
OS 4.0 will have substantial changes from 3.1. I don't think it's
necessary to turn AmigaOS into a Unix (like Apple) or into Intent.
It's very modular, and parts can be added and updated as needed.
Virtual memory and some memory protection are being added for OS 4,
and I believe Resource Tracking is planned for later.
Many things like support for Truetype fonts which have been available
as addons will now be bundled with the OS. There will be lots of popup
menus, and it will be easier to customise the look of the GUI.
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Posted by Hagge on 27-Jul-2002 13:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Comedian):
>You have a point. But for some crazy reason I like that 10 year old OS and it
>seems that there's another 960+ users that still do. Like it or not, Amiga Inc
>own the rights to Amiga. I know they don't code the OS or manufacture the
>boards, but in this day and age I don't expect them to. Do you think that
>Windows is coded only by MS? I know a few companies in India that do heaps of
>contract coding for portions of Windows. Or do you belive that companies like
>HP/Dell/IBM/Compaq don't OEM a lot of their products & drivers from other
>companies? The fact that Amiga Inc payed money for the rights and are trying to
>revive the platform is ok with me. If it happens it happens. If it doesn't, too
>bad.
well, i like the os to. But lets say 5.000 buy the AmigaONE quite many of them will end up using Linux. Anyway, sure, there are 5.000users. Will that get any larger companies intrested? Will there be more apps made? Will Amiga Inc get any money back so they can develop the os? No, probably not.
Rewritting AmigaOS from scratch with the functions you think should be inside a moden os would probably have been better. Or even better, if AmigaOS had gone open-source 1994 things would really be cute now. AmigaOS would probably have been ported to x86 in say 2years and since that 6years hade gone and we would probably have a much more updated system. To bad it didn't happened.
And yes, I do understand there is a market for a nice, easy to use, lightweight os, but without a development path into the future it probably doesn't matter how great your product is.
We could look at BeOS, it failed, but it was probably a good thing because OpenBeOS could be something in the future..
>But it doesn't have to be the best OS in 2002. In the long run it might turn
>out to be a popular OS for home users. Who knows what the future holds.
sure
It takes time to go through heaps of source code to port the AmigaOS to a new
hardware architecture like the PPC. Let's assume it will take you 12 or 24
months to do. You start off with hardware that's available at the time. Two
years down the track you have a stable OS but the G3 CPU and motherboard used
is outdated. How easy is it then to get the OS to run on a newer G4 or future
G5 board? Assuming of course there's a united community willing to support you,
the user base and OS will improve.
The could have used G4s on the motherboards without any problems, at least i think so. The problem is probably that AmigaOS doesn't use AltiVec yet and that G4s are expensive and apple gets all of them.
But as i said i still don't think there will be much development in AmigaOS if there are just 5.000 users.
>That's fine. Thanks for the Apple MacOS promo. However, I still can't figure
>out why the Amiga is still interesting for you. I can only assume you like to
>shit stir the ann.lu forums when you're bored with you iMac. ;-)
I don't own a mac.
My only computers are:
A500+
A1200, 030@50MHz, 8MB fast, 1.7GB hd
My mothers x86(p2@350MHz, 192MB ram, 6.4GB hd) running OpenBSD
two Sun Ultra30(usII@248MHz/1MB cache, 384MB ram, 4GB scsidrive, 21" monitor) of which one runs Debian Linux.
And ann is intresting for me because i still like amiga as i said, but i wouldn't buy expensive stuff without a future... maybe if i had more money.
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Posted by alan buxey on 27-Jul-2002 13:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Hagge):
.....waht confuses me is the number of anti-amiga people and people
who dont care about amiga who waste their life reading this Amiga
news site...and wasting their life posting crap on this list.
why?? does their system not have any community? are they so without a life?
oh well....back to the shadows again.
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Posted by Hagge on 27-Jul-2002 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Don Cox):
>Even OS 3.9 isn't the same OS as we had in 1992, which was 2.0 IIRC.
Uhm, wasn't A4000 and A1200 released 1992? or was that 1994?
I think there isn't any great difference between 3.0, 3.1, 3.5 and 3.9. Isn't the only things added stuff you could already get in 3.0? Like that dockmenu, newicons, a tcp/ip stack? Anything more? Not any major futures. Yes, that cdrom filesystem support to. So two major futures between 3.1 and 3.9 then... cdrom fs support and tcp/ip..
>OS 4.0 will have substantial changes from 3.1. I don't think it's
>necessary to turn AmigaOS into a Unix (like Apple) or into Intent.
>It's very modular, and parts can be added and updated as needed.
>Virtual memory and some memory protection are being added for OS 4,
>and I believe Resource Tracking is planned for later.
no, and there are no reason to turn amigaos into unix... amigaos is fine as it's. But i only use unix so to me it doesn't matter if my os is unix or not, it won't disturb me anyway.
AmigaOS4 probably needs some NEW functions which has never been seen before if Amiga Inc wants more users. vm and memory protection is good, but "all" other oses already have them to.
>Many things like support for Truetype fonts which have been available
>as addons will now be bundled with the OS. There will be lots of popup
>menus, and it will be easier to customise the look of the GUI.
To bad many of you misunderstand me and thinks i do hate the amiga, which i don't. I hope everything turns out fine for amiga, but i really doubt it.
And i appologise to the ppl which thinks i'm a mac users which just puts all his bs in here, i've never used a mac since 9th grade which was 8years ago or something, and i didn't liked them as much as AmigaOS3.0 then... they where better for my schoolwork than our i486 with Windows3.11 thought....
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Posted by Lando / Trinity on 27-Jul-2002 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Anonymous):
>4. AmigaDE is proven to be 80x faster than a Pentium. When Bill McEwen has
>all the gold in the world, will he tell us the cheat code for an A500 which
>makes it do 3D graphics even better than the lastest Voodoo card from 3Dfx ?
I'd prefer a cheat-code for the latest Voodoo Card from 3Dfx which makes it do scrolling as smoothly as an A500. :)
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Posted by Lando / Trinity on 27-Jul-2002 13:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Amigisti):
>Heh heh heh. I think this promotion is most childist promotion ever from
>Amiga. Maybe they can buy some hamburgers to Hyperion programmers with the
>money.
Looking at pictures of some of the Hyperion programmers, I think they had quite enough hamburgers already...
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Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jul-2002 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Don Cox):
Looks like it was WB 3.0, not 2.0 in 1992, at least for the A1200 and A4000 according to Workbench Nostalgia.
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Posted by Alkemyst on 27-Jul-2002 13:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Hagge):
your amiga spec is a joke.
no wonder you think amiga is so fare behind
PowerTower A1200,060/80Mhz,Heatsink&Fan,66MBRam,PowerFlyerGold,50xCDromdrive,250Zip,2.1GB&34GB HD,internal Scandoubler & FF,19"Monitor,Mediator,Voodoo3-3000,PaceSolo 56k ,PortJnr2,ZEKeys-XS,SMON ,Os3.9
& that can do things that your spec amiga could not even dream about.
its funny that alot of times i see negative comments by ppl about the way things are going & them ppl have low spec amigas. just like the A500 ppl moaned at to much stuff not running on a500 & most new stuff is aga.
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Posted by Don Cox on 27-Jul-2002 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Hagge):
"AmigaOS4 probably needs some NEW functions which has never been seen before if Amiga Inc wants
more users. vm and memory protection is good, but "all" other oses
already have them to. "
New functions that really do something worth while are always good,
but if you just rack your brains to think of something new that the
others don't have, you are more likely to get gimmicks.
We do have two unique features that make Amiga multitasking more
functional that multitasking elsewhere - public screens and ARexx.
One possible thing to consider would be to make the Amiga more
configurable than Mac or Windows. For example, you have a choice now
between Workbench, Scalos and Magellan. How about some more Workbench
alternatives with really way out interfaces?
Most people would hate each one, but some would love them. An obvious
one is a fully 3D Workbench replacement, using the acceleration on a
graphics card. A speech-operated one. One with different noises for
everything (like KidPix paint program). One that is designed to be as
hard to use as possible, turning the WB into a game.
The other thing to aim at is really fast interrupt response, with no
IRQ conflicts ever. (These are still not dead on Windows, in spite of
PCI.)
Another unique Amiga feature is that you can talk to the person who
wrote the program. Try getting into direct contact with an Adobe or
Macromedia coder and see how close you get.
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Posted by Don Cox on 27-Jul-2002 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Anonymous):
The AGA Amigas came out at the end of 1992.
IIRC the A4000 was in October and the A1200 around Christmas.
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Posted by Kronos on 27-Jul-2002 15:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Don Cox):
The A1200 was first shown on the WOA in Frankfurt (November 92).
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