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[News] Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IPANN.lu
Posted on 28-Jul-2002 03:51 GMT by STRICQ172 comments
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The deadline is September 1st, 2002. After then, anyone not on good legal standing with Amiga Inc. will be sued.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 1 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 28-Jul-2002 02:24 GMT
Who's going to be effected by this ( excluding trolling from any *side* ).
Is it mainly to get H&P to stop selling Amithlon1? or their a large number of people chucking around amiga's IP , the H&P Amithlon the only one i can think of :/
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 2 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 28-Jul-2002 05:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (cOrpse):
Harald Frank says H&P might sue AInc (don't even ask me)
Bill Buck said he might sue AInc/Ben Hermans.
Apple is looking better every day ;o(
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 3 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 28-Jul-2002 05:22 GMT
On September 1st: "Because of the great success of our sueing campaign and due
to requests by third parties, the dateline will be extended to September 15th,
2002! Join the 'I have been sued by Amiga Inc. Club' now!"
SCNR :)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 4 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 28-Jul-2002 05:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Kronos):
I'm running linux/Apus now , not in an amigaOs/Clone camp nemore , seems stable too [altho this fix has made amigaOs pretty stable to : http://members.lycos.co.uk/theblackdawn/bppc/ (thats MY bppc btw) web cam makes everthing look dusty , its sparkling clean , i think its the light reflecting , anyways implementing my SuperFan for real today , should have a stable blizzppc woooo !! :)))))))))))))))))))]
Now to get kernel 2.4 and Xfree86 working and i can leave amigaOS until we get a ppc one :)
Might be wise to step back abit if everyones going to be sue'in everyone else.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 5 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 28-Jul-2002 05:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (David Scheibler):
"On September 1st: "Because of the great success of our sueing campaign and due
to requests by third parties, the dateline will be extended to September 15th,
2002! Join the 'I have been sued by Amiga Inc. Club' now!"
SCNR :) "
Why would they want to extend the deadline , that'd mean more people could save their arse , if i was amiga inc i'd bet that everyone would leave it to the last day like everything else (bills etc) and pull the deadline in at the last moment.
But seriously , does anyone in the amiga circle have enough cash to even think about sueing ?
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 6 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by 4pLaY on 28-Jul-2002 06:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (cOrpse):
Ohh there is always AROS to come to while the others are suing each others to death :-).
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 7 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 28-Jul-2002 07:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (cOrpse):
go to the shop, and buy a bag of humor dead man.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 8 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 28-Jul-2002 07:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (4pLaY):
Whens the PPC port coming ;), i would run it on the pc ... but its an inslaved machine and alas cannot be rebooted out of windows.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 9 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 28-Jul-2002 07:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (anon):
Ah but it was humour , or maybe its not humour because its for ******* and not ********* , so humours only working one way nower days , thats a real kick the pants.
seems certain people love to crack jokes but can't accept them back and also can't accept the truth.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 10 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 28-Jul-2002 07:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (David Scheibler):
Hey maybe that club will get more than 940 members...
Naah, seriously I think they are only targeting Haage & Partner, but we will see if anything ever happens.
I must admit Amiga tend to talk a lot about legal stuff without ever doing anything about it.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 11 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Jul-2002 08:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (cOrpse):
>But seriously , does anyone in the amiga circle have enough cash to even think about sueing ?
Maybe M$ is helping Amiga inc. by paying for them? :)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 12 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 28-Jul-2002 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
Well i think an amiga company and even amiga inself need microsoft tatics to get thru , Bill on the Amiwest steam made it clear , its keeping above water before fancy stuff , which is a very good plan IMHO.
I wouldn't mind seeing Microsoft invest money in amiga inc to tell you the truth , major cash input is what amiga needs and microsoft has the money in this area and LOTS of it.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 13 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by thesameeveryday on 28-Jul-2002 09:10 GMT
It's just the same every day .. someone posts something, no proof, nothing. And there isn't even ONE person asking for ANY proof. But damage to the market just happens. Keep it up and AMIGA finally is history. Congratulations!
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 14 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by kriz on 28-Jul-2002 09:22 GMT
Hope this isnt true, the amiga maret is way too small to sue each other ..
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 15 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 28-Jul-2002 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (kriz):
If Haage & Partner didn't sign the contract but shipped the product without paying Amiga they deserve to be sued.
Amiga is a small company they cannot let someone take advantage of threir IP without paying for it.
I was thinking a bit and am quite sure that the Sep 1st date hints at someone else than H&P:-)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 16 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Jul-2002 10:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Kronos):
>Harald Frank says H&P might sue AInc
>Bill Buck said he might sue AInc/Ben Hermans.
Well you need a reason to sue someone don't you? Sue them on what grounds?
> Apple is looking better every day ;o(
Anyone not using XP now needs help....
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 17 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 28-Jul-2002 10:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
>Well you need a reason to sue someone don't you? Sue them on what grounds?
H&P (Harald Frank) CLAIM that they have ALL needed licences for AmigaOSXL
and that AInc/Bernie are violating their IP with Amithlon_V2.
Ben Hermans DID spread a ton of "niece" words against bPlan/MorphOS, and
if he can't prove them ....
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 18 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 28-Jul-2002 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
>Anyone not using XP now needs help....
Anyone using XP needs even more .....
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 19 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 28-Jul-2002 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Kronos):
I'm shaking in my boots now...
I can back up everything I said with legal doctrine and precedent in hand.
That's one of the benefits of actually knowing what you are talking about.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 20 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 28-Jul-2002 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>That's one of the benefits of actually knowing what you are talking about.
Just like when you were talking about releasing OS4 in February 02....
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 21 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 28-Jul-2002 11:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Troels E):
> I was thinking a bit and am quite sure that the Sep 1st date hints
> at someone else than H&P:-)
He didn't specify any companies by name, but mentioned three separate issues.
- Illegal use of Amiga Inc IP in products that have already shipped commercially.
- Illegal use of Amiga Inc owned source code.
- Theft of Amiga Inc property in the form of the missing European inventory.
I think the September 1st deadline refers to all of them, and frankly I hope AI do take action wherever they feel it is appropriate. These issues need to be SETTLED, because nothing can move forward properly until that happens.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 22 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Jul-2002 11:34 GMT
"- Illegal use of Amiga Inc IP in products that have already shipped commercially."
Must be H&P.
"- Illegal use of Amiga Inc owned source code."
Well might just be Morphos, which is funny enough aiming at a sep 1st release:-)
"- Theft of Amiga Inc property in the form of the missing European inventory."
I know exactly what that refers to and I was very very dissapointed to hear about that! It's simple theft, which was the last thing I expected from that person!
"I think the September 1st deadline refers to all of them, and frankly I hope AI do take action wherever they feel it is appropriate. These issues need to be SETTLED, because nothing can move forward properly until that happens."
I am quite sure he refers to all of them, I was just thinking that it was only HP to begin with but after hearing the MP3 I am sure they are serious this time, they have to be.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 23 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Jul-2002 11:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
"- Theft of Amiga Inc property in the form of the missing European inventory."
>I know exactly what that refers to and I was very very dissapointed to hear about that! It's simple theft,
>which was the last thing I expected from that person!
Could you please tell us what happened there?
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 24 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 28-Jul-2002 11:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Kronos):
We could have released something in February but frankly, we were not satisfied with what the result would have been.
We've moved away from the approach whereby 68K code is running in a box with 68K emulation traps on account of it being technologically unsatisfactory.
What we will be releasing is what was initially termed OS 4.2.
I'll disclose more details at 1 PM Pacific or 10 PM CET during a phone interview with Bill Borsari of UGN.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 25 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 28-Jul-2002 11:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Kronos):
>Bill Buck said he might sue AInc/Ben Hermans.
ROTFL!!! And for what reason?
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 26 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 28-Jul-2002 11:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
Mail me!
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 27 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 28-Jul-2002 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Oh, you don't want to use your insane "one emu task per real task"
approach anymore ?
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 28 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 28-Jul-2002 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Kronos):
>Just like when you were talking about releasing OS4 in February 02....
That's BS. Unthought of things come up at the last moment for everyone, no matter how big the company and how much cash they have. It has nothing to do with the argument being discussed. I'm still waiting for Buffy the Vampire Slayer on XBOX, from a company with tons of cash, which has been delayed about a million times now.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 29 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 28-Jul-2002 12:00 GMT
Good! Just about time.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 30 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 28-Jul-2002 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Nicolas Sallin):
No, we don't want to use a "box" approach whereby the 68K code is basically unaware of the functionality of the underlying kernel and can't take advantage of it.
That's all I wanted to point out.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 31 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 28-Jul-2002 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
You don't want OS5 ?
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 32 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Jul-2002 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Nicolas Sallin):
You have no idea what OS 5 will be about. Amiga hasn't even disclosed this to their closest developers.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 33 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 28-Jul-2002 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Nicolas Sallin):
AOS5 is a scetchy paper product at best. No need to bring it into any technical discussion.
/Björn
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 34 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 28-Jul-2002 12:58 GMT
Apparently all the existing Amithlon 1.0's are illegal. I wonder if Bernie Myers could offer an upgrade scheme to those people. Just a thought.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 35 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 28-Jul-2002 13:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (KenH):
When I bought mine back in Cologne McBill was stil babbeling about
a "fully licenced product" and his first >official< statement saying
otherwise came only a short while ago.
So my IS legal, and if McBill thinks he is missing some money for it
he should ask H&P and noone else.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 36 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 28-Jul-2002 13:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (KenH):
It's hard for Bernie, IIRC, to give discounts to those who bought V1 since Hack and Patch won't release the registration information...
Dammy
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 37 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 28-Jul-2002 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
Benjamin Hermans knows what will be OS5. He explained it several times
here and there. You have to believe him :)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 38 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 28-Jul-2002 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Nicolas Sallin):
"Have to believe..." is that like having to believe in the Eastern Bunny?
Dammy
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 39 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Jul-2002 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (dammy):
"Eastern" ?? As opposite "Western"?/
I thought it was "Easter Bunny".
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 40 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 28-Jul-2002 13:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (KenH):
> Apparently all the existing Amithlon 1.0's are illegal.
You should really quote all relevant info when taking statements out of context. Bill also said he was not going after the users, who obviously paid full price for all the licenses in good faith. It's not their fault that money didn't reach all the supposed licensers, and Bill understands that.
As for existing user discounts, you'd have to remember that licenses like P96 were also paid for, and AFAIK the P96 guys got their money. Would it be fair to ask everyone to pay them again?
The bottom line is that we don't KNOW the sales details, so it's kind of useless to speculate.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 41 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 28-Jul-2002 13:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
Oops! My bad. =)
Dammy
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 42 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 28-Jul-2002 14:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Bill Hoggett):
>The bottom line is that we don't KNOW the sales details, so it's kind of useless to speculate.
I don't know all the nitty gritty and so I don't know what is known. I was just offering a way to resolve the extreme situation....if it existed.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 43 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 28-Jul-2002 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Nicolas Sallin):
Nicolas Sallin wrote:
"Oh, you don't want to use your insane "one emu task per real task"
approach anymore ?"
They were using large flightless birds???
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 44 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 28-Jul-2002 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (anarchic_teapot):
""Oh, you don't want to use your insane "one emu task per real task"
approach anymore ?"
They were using large flightless birds??? "
Ridden by Eastern Bunnies.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 45 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Jul-2002 15:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Don Cox):
>> They were using large flightless birds???
> Ridden by Eastern Bunnies.
Sounds more like an Amiga Inc. "plan" than anything from Hyperion or any other company working with *products* of any kind... :)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 46 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 28-Jul-2002 16:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
The Last seven comments are what the Amiga is supposed to be about ...
FUN
Remember ??
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 47 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Jul-2002 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Nicolas Sallin):
I'd certainly believe him over you any day. What's up with the "Benjamin" anyway? The guy is publicly known as "Ben", so use that. The other thing makes you sound like a wanker (word not intended as a flame, merely a description).
Kind of like the word "whom" which is intended solely to make everyone sound like a butler.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 48 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 28-Jul-2002 18:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>I can back up everything I said with legal doctrine and precedent in hand.
>That's one of the benefits of actually knowing what you are talking about.
Pls let's not just go back into this... It will only hurt the image of hyperion to attend heated discussion without REALLY proving anything.
If you can back up what you claim you can, then please do so in a court room where it belongs. It's getting REALLY OLD of seeing the same things being fought about back and forth with ppl from each side CLAIMING that they can back up THEIR words over the other. Yet we fail to see the REAL proof EVERYTIME (even when it's coming from your mouth) So please, do something REAL about it and sue already so we won't have to see these fights again for awhile.
This is not a flamebait. I'm just too damn tired of seeing this same old "my os is better than yours" crap coming back into fashion.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 49 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 28-Jul-2002 18:19 GMT
This is stupid. Who are AInc going to sue ? H&P ? BPlan ? MorphOS ? Aros ? The authors of Amithlon/UAE ?
They'll probably lose on suing most of those on the grounds of anti-competitiveness. Then they'll have no money, and they'll go bust. Again.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 50 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 28-Jul-2002 18:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
His firstname is Benjamin and I'm sorry if that doesn't please you.
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