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[News] Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IPANN.lu
Posted on 28-Jul-2002 03:51 GMT by STRICQ172 comments
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The deadline is September 1st, 2002. After then, anyone not on good legal standing with Amiga Inc. will be sued.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 101 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2002 17:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Lando):
>Pegasos... Sounds familiar... Isn't that the one that was meant to be out in
>February?
Feb of 2000 IIRC.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 102 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 29-Jul-2002 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Anonymous):
>Feb of 2000 IIRC.
Cool. Considering that the first announcement about that motherboard was on
December 8th, 2000 :)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 103 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 29-Jul-2002 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Corben Dalls):
>I thank you all for the entertainment. Amiga OS and hardware developers take the time to post messages on sites like these only to get abused by strangers using aliases like Kronos???
Hey man, most of have learned to ignore/laugh at the likes of Kronos. ;)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 104 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 29-Jul-2002 17:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (AmiTroll):
Hope thats meant in a nice way ;)
I was away getting on with my real life ( the one people that hang around in linux *cough* amiga channels don't have )
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 105 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 29-Jul-2002 18:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Nicolas Sallin):
you are taking this thread way off topic like you do alot.
if you cant stay on topic just STFU.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 106 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2002 18:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (David Scheibler):
Maybe he confused it with Amirage?
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 107 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by cruxifux on 29-Jul-2002 19:08 GMT
But who stole the hardware in Europe? That's the interesting question. We all know H&P, MorphOS, etc. Who stole the Amigas?
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 108 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 29-Jul-2002 20:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (cruxifux):
cruxifux wrote:
But who stole the hardware in Europe? That's the interesting question. We all know H&P, MorphOS, etc. Who stole the Amigas?
It might me Tulip!!!
It's really only a guess, but they bought Commodore, and they could still think that Commodore/Tulip would own Amiga ;O)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 109 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 29-Jul-2002 20:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (David Scheibler):
I don't think that the problem with Haage&Partner is about AmigaOSXL - ok, they might have problems with the AmigaOS license - but I think that the problem is about Haage&Partner selling Amithlon - it's property of Bernd Meyer!!! I don't think that Haage&Partner would be glad, if Bernd Meyer would sell AmigaOSXL without giving them money!!!
*This is only what I believe*
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 110 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2002 20:35 GMT
what is "good legal standing" anyway ?
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 111 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 29-Jul-2002 20:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (cruxifux):
Maybe Petro has them in his loft! ;) He just can't be apart from them...heh. Only kidding Petro ;)
"Good legal standing"....I guess that means paying for the use of the Amiga IP in all it's forms...be it image, technology, etc etc
>But who stole the hardware in Europe? That's the interesting question. We all know H&P, MorphOS, etc. Who stole the Amigas?
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 112 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Ave on 29-Jul-2002 21:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Eva):
Oh dear.
If this is the sort of persons who are in the MOS camp, I'm sure glad I'm camping nowhere near it :)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 113 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 29-Jul-2002 22:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
You're really cold, practically freezing.
Have another go! :)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 114 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer(Same person as in Amiga.org) on 30-Jul-2002 00:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 ([JC]):
>> They'll probably lose on suing most of those on the grounds of anti-
>> competitiveness.
IP protection has nothing to with "anti-competitiveness".
"Anti-competitive" claims is not an excuse for stealing IPs i.e. refer to any Musicians who protects their IP.
Microsoft's anti-competitiveness tactics is a different beast altogether.
1. Polluting/bastardised Sun's Java standard.
2. Strong-arm tactics in regards to stoping rival product* to operate in the market.
*The rival products in that case did not steal MS's IP (eg. Netscape and Java cases).
One can see that MorphOS is a polluted/bastardised version of AmigaOS and they(MorphOS group) might get booked by it.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 115 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 30-Jul-2002 03:28 GMT
If people just stop and think about this.......
Either Amiga is going to have to go after people thinking they are stealing Amigas IP or the matter is of such nature that other parties have to do something to undo what Amiga knows is IP thieft.
Does Amiga have the right to demand looking at Morphos proprietary code? No!
And Morphos only becomes illegal if it is distributed With Amiga IP that is not licensed or otherwise approved of by Amiga. It is possible that in the development and perhaps reverse engineering there is Amiga IP being used, but being done so legally, in the since of having bought OS .....bla bla bla
Does Amiga have a right to look at AROS code? Not unless they have a copy of the .... Well from what I understand, Amiga has helped AROS in getting around some patent issues.....Why would they turn on AROS without notifying them of what is in violation? AROS code is supposed to be clean and of such nature that if something is wrong, they will simply remove it, the part in error.
What about Amithlon? You still need a ROM image and the OS so there is nothing there to sue over?
UAE? :) doubtful
AmigaXL? ..... H&P?
What this comes down to is proper legal paperwork and royalities.
How else is Amiga going to know whether or not the wrong doers are becomming legal?
Seems to me it's an open threat part blind, part knowing.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 116 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 30-Jul-2002 05:09 GMT
>> If people just stop and think about this.......
Sure.
> Either Amiga is going to have to go after people thinking they are stealing
> Amigas IP or the matter is of such nature that other parties have to do
> something to undo what Amiga knows is IP thieft.
Refer to Sun vs MS regarding the Java case i.e. MS has to withdraw bastardize MS Java.
> Does Amiga have the right to demand looking at Morphos proprietary code? No!
Refer to Java case i.e. MS has to withdraw bastardize MS Java.
Did MS has to withdraw MS's proprietary code?
> Does Amiga have a right to look at AROS code?
Refer Tao's Java VM as an example i.e. they don't have any problems with Sun. Sun(i.e. Author of IP) is satisfied with it's implementation, thus no sue.
> What about Amithlon? You still need a ROM image and the OS so there is nothing there to sue over?
Refer to Java case i.e. MS has to withdraw bastardize MS Java.
> UAE? :) doubtful
Of course it's doubtful, since it's the main application for the licensed Amiga Forever CD. License is issued between Cloanto and Amiga Inc.
It's the approval (or wishes) from the copyright holder.
> AmigaXL? ..... H&P?
Refer to Java case i.e. MS has to withdraw bastardize MS Java.
I don't recall H&P being part of the license deal between Cloanto* and Amiga Inc.
*Also includes UAE group since they are the main contributors for the licensed Amiga Forever CD.
> How else is Amiga going to know whether or not the wrong doers are becomming
> legal?
Refer to Java case i.e. MS has to withdraw bastardize MS Java.
Main intent of copyright is to protect the wishes of the Author. Author can grant or revoke licenses(the right to use).
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 117 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by treke on 30-Jul-2002 05:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Corben Dalls):
You're absolutely right.
Maybe the whining, flaming and trolling will stop when all these systems (I don't want to mention them, because...) are released. Then everyone will be fed, I hope.
re
Treke
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 118 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 30-Jul-2002 05:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (treke):
Sorry, no.
When the systems are out we are in for another late 80's-early 90's Mac vs Amiga fan war again. This time between Mos and AOS fans, and this time it's happening on ann and amiga.org...
The discussion will only shift from "my system will be better than your system" to "my system is better than your system", which is hardly an improvement.
We get surprisingly little linuxAPUS and linuxm68k news here, considering the staggering amount of MOS bs around...
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 119 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by treke on 30-Jul-2002 06:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Ole-Egil):
I hope real HW and real SW can bring real arguments into discussion, not the personal insults.
re
Treke
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 120 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 30-Jul-2002 07:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Ole-Egil):
> This time between Mos and AOS fans, and this time it's
> happening on ann and amiga.org...
The so called war between Mac vs Amiga fan war didn't amount to anything.
... Yawn ...
> The discussion will only shift from "my system will be better than your
> system" to "my system is better than your system", which is hardly an
> improvement.
IF they survive the current market forces.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 121 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Jitter on 30-Jul-2002 09:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> I'm shaking in my boots now...
> I can back up everything I said with legal doctrine and precedent in hand.
> That's one of the benefits of actually knowing what you are talking about.
Yeah sure... more crap from Ben. Have a read of the following message:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amiga-Mediator/message/13090
During the Ben Hermans interview at Amiwest he said he emailed Elbox several times asking when Hyperion are likely to recieve a SharkPPC and all of his emails were ignored.
Mariusz Wloczysiak, Press Department of ELBOX COMPUTER, Inc. replies:
"I do not know who and why is so keen on spreading such untrue information.
Not a single letter by Mr Ben Hermans on SharkPPC cards and addressed
to Elbox was ever ignored by Elbox."
Why should we believe you Ben?
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 122 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 30-Jul-2002 09:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Jitter):
Because of ELBOX' excellent track record when it comes to be honest in public?
Eh, forget that. ;-)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 123 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 30-Jul-2002 09:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Jitter):
OK, this is getting OT, but here goes:
> Mariusz Wloczysiak, Press Department of ELBOX COMPUTER, Inc. replies:
> "I do not know who and why is so keen on spreading such untrue information.
> Not a single letter by Mr Ben Hermans on SharkPPC cards and addressed
> to Elbox was ever ignored by Elbox."
Is Mariusz a lawyer too? :-P
Note that the reply states that no letter was ignored. It doesn't state if any letters were received, or if they were replied to, or what the reply was. :)
Elbox have said though that they see no reason why they should send a SharkPPC to Hyperion, so it looks like we have the whole Warpd3D for Mediator situation all over again.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 124 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by bluff on 30-Jul-2002 11:58 GMT
funny sense they dont own many of the names they claim to own.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 125 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 30-Jul-2002 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Ave):
I'm simply a person that use MorphOS, not someone that never saw it.
It run FAST and resonably stable on PPC boards and Pegasos.
What we can't understand (we, Morph users) is why 5 years of advantage is to be lost due to a company like AmigaInc that in these 3 years created NOTHING than a boingball jumping SLOW under Linux and that now, when it understood that someone had the ossibility to put ahead Amiga spirit, decided that "AmigaOS 4 on PowerPC is the way to the light" ... something that 4 programmers anticipated 5 years ago ...
... and the worse matter is to see a lot oh people that is sure to see a "new" operative system in an year...
If (and I'm repeating what I say in January) something will be relased for december will be a BUGGED and SLOW hybrid between AmigaOS 3.9, Warpup and Aros work. Something similar to the first beta of MorphOS released two years ago. Hyperion is a small company with 0-experience in OS PROGRAMMING and, with all the external coders, the AmigaOS4 dev-group is small and need time ... They are all good programmers, but they need, really, TIME (at least another year starting from now) to obtain something USEABLE.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 126 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 30-Jul-2002 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Eva):
You clearly illustrate that you have no clue what you are talking about.
A hybrid between WarpOS and AROS? There simply isn't ANY WarpOS or AROS code used in OS 4 (other than the colorwheel which came in with OS 3.5).
Nothing. Not a single byte.
We have a team of some of the most skilled programmers ever to grace the platform with people like Massimo Tantignone, Thomas Richter, Olaf Barthel, Stephan Rupprecht, the P96 team, the Hyperion guys, Oliver Roberts, Colin Wenzel, Stefan Falke, Stefan Robl, Jörg Strohmayer, Thomas Graff, Andrea Vallinotto, Chris Aldi, Stefan Stuntz, Martin Blom etc. etc. (with many apologies to the ones I forgot to mention)
I dare say that there isn't a single Amiga user out there with a reasonably up to date system that doesn't have software running by these guys.
Will it be slow? Absolutely not.
In fact, switching times are now lower than the QNX RTOS.
We'll have virtual addressing, automatic stack enlargement and no cumbersome emulation traps.
Most importantly, we won't be running 68K programs in a "box" where they are unaware of the rest of the system and can't exploit the new functionality offered by Exec SG such as virtual memory.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 127 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 30-Jul-2002 16:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Jitter):
>Why should we believe you Ben?
I don't know, possibly because I yesterday received an e-mail by the same person from Elbox finally acknowledging receipt of an e-mail by me to them late June (!) TO WHICH THEY NEVER REPLIED.
In fact, despite repeated attempts, TO THIS DATE we have not received any reply to the following questions:
1. When will Hyperion receive a prototype of the SharkPPC hardware?
2. When will Hyperion receive full documentation of the SharkPPC hardware?
Anybody with half a brain should understand that it is in Hyperion's interest to sell as many copies of OS 4 as possible be it on the Cyberstorm, the BlizzardPPC or the Shark.
OTOH, we need to fit the SharkPPC into our development schedule so we require a rough estimate of when we can receive the hardware in question.
We never got any replies to this type of inquiries.
We cannot therefore be held responsible for misleading statements by the Elbox press-department.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 128 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 30-Jul-2002 16:40 GMT
If we follow the money trail for a bit, we see The Name's coupon scam failing to generate very much $. Now we hear them threatening to push some company into licen$e agreement else be sued in a month. Someone hurting for $?
Dammy
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 129 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Michael Merkel on 30-Jul-2002 17:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 30-Jul-2002 18:25:08
>In fact, despite repeated attempts, TO THIS DATE we have
>not received any reply to the following questions:
>
>1. When will Hyperion receive a prototype of the SharkPPC hardware?
>2. When will Hyperion receive full documentation of the SharkPPC hardware?
>
>Anybody with half a brain should understand that it is
>in Hyperion's interest to sell as many copies of OS 4 as
>possible be it on the Cyberstorm, the BlizzardPPC or
>the Shark.
>OTOH, we need to fit the SharkPPC into our development
>schedule so we require a rough estimate of when we can
>receive the hardware in question.
ben, please, can you give any comment on os4 running g-rex equiped
amiga4000s?
afaik hyperion has no documentation of this also and so porting
the pci drivers does seem imposible...
any news about that, please?
thanks and
byebye...
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 130 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 30-Jul-2002 17:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (Michael Merkel):
You're absolutely correct, we don't have the necessary documentation for the GREX A4000 despite repeated attempts to secure it.
We were informed that the documentation is in the hands of bPlan and that under no circumstance should it be given to us.
We will attempt to fit the GREX A4000 into our generic PCI library for OS 4 but we cannot make any promises on this subject.
If we had the cooperation or documentation it would be a very straightforward affaire but under the circumstances we are left with no option but decompilation.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 131 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 30-Jul-2002 17:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Anybody with half a brain should understand that it is in Hyperion's interest
>to sell as many copies of OS 4 as possible be it on the Cyberstorm, the
>BlizzardPPC or the Shark.
yeah, insulting them will make sure they send you a board as soon as possible.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 132 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Derf on 30-Jul-2002 17:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (dammy):
tell me, if you give me $50, and then later on i give you $50 back, how much money have i 'scammed' from you ? please can you acknowledge the fact that the whole business with the coupons was nothing to do with gaining extra money, as they will pay it all back.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 133 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Blaahhh on 30-Jul-2002 17:53 GMT
Amiga Inc. has nothing, so all they can come up with is sueing.
How great, how creative.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 134 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Censored on 30-Jul-2002 17:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
>You have no idea what OS 5 will be about. Amiga hasn't even
>disclosed this to their closest developers.
I bet because theres not much to disclose at all. Hyperion doing
a vamped up 3.5, so how could it be Amiga Inc. themselves have
any detailed concept for 5.x...
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 135 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 30-Jul-2002 18:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (darklite):
Insulting them?
I'm not insulting them, I'm insulting the people who think we have some kind of vested interest in preventing the SharkPPC from coming to the market.
Seems you learned nothing during all those months in the Frederik Lint.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 136 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 30-Jul-2002 18:22 GMT
I'd like to thanks everybody here who have contributed to give me so much fun reading their post ;-)
It's a lot funnier to read comments here than any comedy on TV or at the cinema.
Thank you very much for all this funny comments :)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 137 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Joanna on 30-Jul-2002 19:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Ole-Egil):
Wondering why you are shambling around here but not dare to comment status of A-one developments / testing on it's own Mailing list.
And about these 'Trufhfull Announcements': Yes... All Amiga releated companies do those. Sadly there is not a single (that I know of) who has not been lied to us in last year's time.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 138 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 30-Jul-2002 20:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Insulting them?
>
>I'm not insulting them, I'm insulting the people who think we have some kind
>of vested interest in preventing the SharkPPC from coming to the market.
Maybe they just don't like you? :)
>Seems you learned nothing during all those months in the Frederik Lint.
Are you stalking me now?
I learned enough to make up for the not-so-good first semester and pass though :p
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 139 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer(the same person as in Amiga.org) on 30-Jul-2002 20:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Eva):
> I'm simply a person that use MorphOS, not someone that never saw it.
> It run FAST and resonably stable on PPC boards and Pegasos.
Good to hear.
> What we can't understand (we, Morph users) is why 5 years of advantage is to
> be lost due to a company like AmigaInc that in these 3 years created NOTHING
> than a boingball jumping SLOW under Linux and that now, when it understood
> that someone had the ossibility to put ahead Amiga spirit, decided
> that "AmigaOS 4 on PowerPC is the way to the light" ... something that 4
> programmers anticipated 5 years ago ...
Non-Official OS upgrades has the tendency to fail more than official ones.
Example;
OS/2 Warp (with Win16) path to x86 OS 32-bit path.
_________________VS_________________________________
Windows95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP x86 32-bit OS path.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 140 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 30-Jul-2002 21:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> here simply isn't ANY WarpOS or AROS code used in OS 4 (other than the
> colorwheel which came in with OS 3.5).
Just nitpicking: I see a very heavy contraddiction there... but anyway, doesn't matter... Ah, IIRC, also the gradient slider is from AROS.
Fabio Alemagna
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 141 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 30-Jul-2002 21:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>A hybrid between WarpOS and AROS? There simply isn't ANY WarpOS or AROS code
>used in OS 4
Okay. I believe you.
>(other than the colorwheel which came in with OS 3.5).
Okay, I believe you. HANG ON!! I can't believe both statements - they are diametric opposites!!!
>Nothing. Not a single byte.
Hmmmm... First you say there is no AROS code in OS4, then you say: apart from the colorwheel, then you say there isn't any, not a byte!! Just what should people believe in these mists of confusion?
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 142 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 30-Jul-2002 22:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Hammer(Same person as in Amiga.org)):
> Microsoft's anti-competitiveness tactics is a different beast altogether.
> 1. Polluting/bastardised Sun's Java standard.
Adding additional functionality is hardly bastardising it. MS Java runs everything Sun Java does, it is up to the programmer as to whether he uses the MS extras.
> 2. Strong-arm tactics in regards to stoping rival product* to operate
> in the market.
I won't defend them there.
> One can see that MorphOS is a polluted/bastardised version of AmigaOS and
> they(MorphOS group) might get booked by it.
No, all MorphOS does is look the same, feel the same (and we all know Apple lost on those two points), it does not use reverse engineered AmigaOS code (anyone claiming it does is just spreading speculative FUD), and without emulation it does not run classic AmigaOS executable code anyway.
MorphOS, IMO, is/was the best chance to get the Amiga up to date and on to new hardware. AInc have chosen to be greedy, and now that they see they can't compete with MorphOS (because MorphOS just has too much of a head start), they prefer to play the "waa, that's not fair" game and try and sue them.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 143 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by NameME on 30-Jul-2002 22:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Sorry mate but the idea of running Old AmigaOS applications on a new OS and saying that those apps will benefit from the new APIs on that OS is a bit hard to believe.
The apps will take as much benefit as old Win31 (16 bits) apps take advantage of the new apis in WinNT5/5.1
I used to think that the principle of an emulation is to run the apps as they were running on the old thing... (And run the new apps as new apps)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 144 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 30-Jul-2002 23:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (smithy):
>Hmmmm... First you say there is no AROS code in OS4, then you say: apart from >the colorwheel, then you say there isn't any, not a byte!! Just what should >people believe in these mists of confusion?
That confused you? You've got to be kidding me.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 145 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 30-Jul-2002 23:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 142 ([JC]):
> Adding additional functionality is hardly bastardising it. MS Java runs
> everything Sun Java does,
It doesn't actually; there are some incompatible issues with it.
MS Java doesn't run everything Sun Java does. I notice this when I did Java as a subject for my Computing degree, which in turn I have to download the latest Java 1.4 kit from SUN's web site.
> it is up to the programmer as to whether he uses the MS extras.
MS has to withdraw the thier "Java" product, since SUN is not happy with it. SUN has won the Java case against MS. There's nothing MS can do but to comply to SUN's wishes.
> No, all MorphOS does is look the same, feel the same (and we all know Apple > lost on those two points),
Well, MS Windows doesn't feel like Apple product. Atari's TOS closer to MacOS than MSís Windows btw.
Secondly, Apple didnít invent WIMP systems i.e. it was Xerox who first invented WIMP/GUI system. Apple is stretching that case a bit to far.
It's no wonder Apple lost that legal challenge.
Can MS copy the "look and feel" MacOS X this time round?
> it does not use reverse engineered AmigaOS code
> (anyone claiming it does is just spreading speculative FUD),
Did I claim this?
> MorphOS, IMO, is/was the best chance to get the Amiga up to date and on to
> new hardware.
In your view "it's the best chance to get the Amiga up to date and on to
new hardware".
> AInc have chosen to be greedy, and now that they see they
I don't recall being greedy as a crime.
> can't compete with MorphOS (because MorphOS just has too much of a head
> start), they prefer to play the "waa, that's not fair" game and try and sue > them.
Have Amiga Inc initiated their legal actions?
September 1st 2002 AD is the Amiga Inc's legal action date.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 146 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 30-Jul-2002 23:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (smithy):
> Hmmmm... First you say there is no AROS code in OS4, then you say: apart
> from the colorwheel, then you say there isn't any, not a byte!! Just what
> should people believe in these mists of confusion?
Read the whole thing without breaking it up. Word "apart" is just qualifier to make an exception for a particular module.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 147 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 31-Jul-2002 03:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 142 ([JC]):
> Adding additional functionality is hardly bastardising it.
The reason MS got sued by SUN is due to the so called "additional functionality" to the Java Standard.
Only SUN has the right to improve or add "additional functionality" to it's IP product. SUN owns this IP standard.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 148 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 31-Jul-2002 03:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 147 (Hammer):
(Just adding to my above statements)
MS can still create their own Java like language/VM solution i.e. C# language/.NET solution.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 149 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 31-Jul-2002 05:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Enfact Ben! I said that "they are all good programmers" but with 0 experience on OS programming ... and sure you, that spoke about february for Os4 release ...
Another thing. A lot of this guyz are working with MorphOS crew also, not speacking the otherones that work on Os4 just in sparetime.
At last
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 150 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 31-Jul-2002 05:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
>Anyone not using XP now needs help....
You're friggin' kidding right? XP is no more than a kludge of ripped off
pieces of other companies IP, and it's full of security holes and MS spyware.
It would take a complete computer illerate moron to be running XP.
Btw...that voice, hmmm, it sounds very familiar. Almost like an Amiga...nah
it couldn't be!
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