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[News] Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IPANN.lu
Posted on 28-Jul-2002 03:51 GMT by STRICQ172 comments
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The deadline is September 1st, 2002. After then, anyone not on good legal standing with Amiga Inc. will be sued.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 51 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by EVA on 28-Jul-2002 20:23 GMT
I want only to point out and remember to some "superwise" people (like Corpse) the tread on Aros / AmigaInc sue.
Someone fired sheet on that possibility and now laughs about Bill words about a termto sue the universe.
We'll see if Aros, H&P and MorphOS team will be sued or not ...
In the mean time we can follow the fantastic humor of some "AmigaOS4" fanatics.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 52 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 28-Jul-2002 20:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Please Ben, stay silent and go to do really something instead to continue to tell false things!
You have told us amiogans FALSE WORDS about the "status" (existent) of the OS4 and now you continue to tell us ... We could have released something in February ...
But you are really sure that Amigans are all stupid idiots??
Be honest teling us "I say a false thing".
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 53 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 28-Jul-2002 20:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Nicolas Sallin):
Ihihihi Nicolas, like the history of Febraury Os4 exploit! :)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 54 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Joanna on 28-Jul-2002 20:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (EVA):
What amazes me most why they have not sued those EARLIER.. We have been reading and hearing about these threats against IP-(and other kind) thefts SO long it has become repeated and boring joke. I have found no other real reason to public speeches (like that McEwen's yesterday) than trying to collect some sympaties and pitty from still remaining Amigians.
They claim to have case, money and lawers --- Why they wait and rant on public?
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 55 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 28-Jul-2002 21:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Joanna):
>They claim to have case, money and lawers --- Why they wait and rant on public?
As he said, they would rather solve it amicably.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 56 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 28-Jul-2002 21:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Eva):
I'm sure Ben would be the first person to stand up and say he makes mistakes. In software, it's very easy to misjudge timelines. However, even if they had done all that they wanted to deliver in Feb, there wouldn't have been a point without the A1 now would there? And do you really think Ben sets out to insult a potential market? I suggest it might be a language barrier difficult you are experiencing.
>Please Ben, stay silent and go to do really something instead to continue to tell false things!
You have told us amiogans FALSE WORDS about the "status" (existent) of the OS4 and now you continue to tell us ... We could have released something in February ...
But you are really sure that Amigans are all stupid idiots??
Be honest teling us "I say a false thing".
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 57 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 28-Jul-2002 22:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Joanna):
"What amazes me most why they have not sued those EARLIER.. We have been reading and hearing about these threats against IP-(and other kind) thefts SO long it has become repeated and boring joke. I have found no other real reason to public speeches (like that McEwen's yesterday) than trying to collect some sympaties and pitty from still remaining Amigians."
Actually, I saw the announcement as a general statement of the financial health of Amiga Inc. Lawsuits still require money and the fact that they are prepared to send in the lawyers, means the money is there. I got the impression the biggest target was H&P over the Amithlon product. Listening to the speech, I had a hard time figuring out how serious they are about going after MorphOS/Thendic. It does look like they want that missing hardware....it would fetch a decent buck on Ebay ;) The fact is, Amiga Inc. has made a very public statement and now have to follow through on it.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 58 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Joanna on 28-Jul-2002 22:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (KenH):
I think they should have gone into this earlier. Waiting this long has not done any good to relationships inside what's left of community. But I'm happy they do now have published timeline to finally end this flamefest. We will see it in few months time how much of all this is just Hype and how much is truth.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 59 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Troels on 28-Jul-2002 22:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Joanna):
They could maybe have done something about Morphos earlier but it could be that they got their hands on newer beta's that made it certain to them they got a case, lots of things could have happened behind the scenes.
Regarding OSXL my impression are that they have been negotiation the missing OSXL license with H&P but had no succes, thats why they put up a deadline.
The stolen hardware are a completely new issue not a week old.
It's simple theft, which makes me wonder if the thief have until sep 1st. to deliver the computers back:-)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 60 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by not this time :) on 28-Jul-2002 23:16 GMT
blah blah blah blah bl
blah blah blah
oops. sorry
thought i was bill for a minute! :)
Do amiga Inc actually own the copyright for the boing ball image?
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 61 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Amiga mia on 28-Jul-2002 23:30 GMT
Alejandro Sanz, a spanish singer, did a song with this name.
It's nice, if you like that kind of music.
He WILL be sued, because only Amiga can use the Amiga name.
Also the spanish word 'Amiga' will be changed, mainly
because it prevented spanish amiga fans to pay 50$ for the
t-shirt (who wants to move on the beach with a motto
like "I'm amiga"?)
Eheheh...
Truth is that amiga doesn't have enough money to sue anyone
and they can't risk the few money they have in this way.
Uh, Do you beleive that AmigaOS4 will be available in september?
Well, dream! ;-)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 62 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Tbone on 29-Jul-2002 04:40 GMT
Will someone please email me with the goods on this theft thing? (I'm such a sucker for good gossip) ;)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 63 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by JoBBo on 29-Jul-2002 05:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 ([JC]):
"This is stupid. Who are AInc going to sue ? H&P ? BPlan ? MorphOS ? Aros ? The authors of Amithlon/UAE ?"
Haage&Partner as well as Thendic/bPlan. As for the latter, I'd suppose that Mr. Hermans would have a financial interest in this case as Hyperion's AmigaOS _might_ profit *if* Amiga Inc. wins. Therefore, it's likely that Hyperion will be also covering part/all of the costs.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 64 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 29-Jul-2002 05:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (EVA):
"I want only to point out and remember to some "superwise" people (like Corpse) the tread on Aros / AmigaInc sue."
I'm not wise just realistic.
"Someone fired sheet on that possibility and now laughs about Bill words about a termto sue the universe."
He's sueing the people that have stolen Amiga Inc IP , Are you getting all worried because MorphOs might finally crash'n'burn ( Thats probaly going to personally offend some people , get over it , grow up ) ... If the morphOs team have been good little coders like the AROS team they have nothing to worry about.
Its quite clear H&P have stolen IP , the emulators running plain OS3.9 and if that hasn't been paid for its stolen , plain and simple.
"We'll see if Aros, H&P and MorphOS team will be sued or not ..."
Well its not Aros being sued and thats never been said by an offical party , H&P for sure and Morphos ... Who knows ... Who cares ... .
"In the mean time we can follow the fantastic humor of some "AmigaOS4" fanatics."
I'll just sit and laugh at people screaming amino cloans , misusing the name ... Because i know half the channels your junkie pill mates hang around in have amiga in the name and they're linux channels! and that linux ain't even running on amigas !!!
The amiga community lives , you just not part of it because of your paranoid attitude.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 65 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 29-Jul-2002 08:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (cOrpse):
"Its quite clear H&P have stolen IP , the emulators running plain OS3.9 and if that hasn't been paid for its stolen , plain and simple."
"AmigaOSXL is a fully licenced product." (Bill McEwen shortly after the
release).
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 66 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Wittgen on 29-Jul-2002 08:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (David Scheibler):
>> "Its quite clear H&P have stolen IP , the emulators running plain OS3.9 and if >> that hasn't been paid for its stolen , plain and simple."
> "AmigaOSXL is a fully licenced product." (Bill McEwen shortly after the
> release).
URL?
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 67 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 29-Jul-2002 08:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (David Scheibler):
It all could have lay on H&P paying that cash after they sold a certain amount of units to stump up the money ... Amiga Inc would have let it ride for abit but by now its probaly pissing them right off and they want their cash !!
Its seems now amiga inc are using sense , Keeping their heads above the water is what comes first and if that means going and collecting the money they're going to do it.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 68 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 29-Jul-2002 08:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (David Scheibler):
The release was rushed through, and if you listen to what he had to say, licensing terms had been agreed.
You can therefore assume that what was said shortly after release was done in good faith.
However, H&P then refused to execute the contract (in other words, they would not sign it), and this has been confirmed by Mr Haage. Why H&P feel that having done this they still have the right to continue distrubuting Amiga Inc's IP is anybody's guess, because H&P are not elaborating.
The emphasis here is on the difference between "agreeing" a deal, and "executing" it.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 69 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Joanna on 29-Jul-2002 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Troels):
Ah.. I thought that hardware issue was also old.. Well if they know who has their stuff and where it's kept, it's not a big problem. IMHO it should have been handled with local Police and not by announcing in public speech.
But good thing was it did add something new to his speech..
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 70 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by NameMe on 29-Jul-2002 09:23 GMT
As the Amiga's body decomposes the worms get bigger and bigger, and the smell is getting no better...
I'm sick tired about all of this.
As the time passes it has less sense to buy anything A1, Pegasos or Amithlon... who cares? After 10-12 years the only thing we have is a putrid body.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 71 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Corben Dalls on 29-Jul-2002 10:07 GMT
What a soap opera!
After not having used an Amiga for 7 or so years, I decided to check out the "scene". The last couple of days have been truely unbelievable. I discovered www.amiga.org and the amigaone yahoo group but this site took the cake. I thank you all for the entertainment. Amiga OS and hardware developers take the time to post messages on sites like these only to get abused by strangers using aliases like Kronos???
My conclusion is that most of you act like a bunch of children that do not deserve new Amiga hardware or software. Even if a new Amiga was released it seems to me you'd all do everything in your power to destroy it... Too bad, and best of luck to you all.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 72 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 29-Jul-2002 11:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Joanna):
I had a face to face conversation with Bill about this last year, his feelings were that he doesn't like to come to legal actions as it's not something he likes to do, and also is time/money consuming. But sometimes there's no other way to protect your property...
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 73 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 29-Jul-2002 11:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Bill Hoggett):
>However, H&P then refused to execute the contract (in other words, they would
>not sign it), and this has been confirmed by Mr Haage. Why H&P feel that
>having done this they still have the right to continue distrubuting Amiga
>Inc's IP is anybody's guess, because H&P are not elaborating.
I'm not saying H&P is not at fault, but why do you know AInc isn't also at fault?
The terms of the contract could've been totally different from the terms they agreed on earlier and could've been unacceptable to H&P. AInc have made such contracts before, ask Ralph Schmidt.
I heard AInc wanted to get the rights to OS3.5/9, and maybe they're trying to 'blackmail' H&P now?
H&P are idiots because they released a product for which they didn't have a licence from AInc, with whom they weren't really friendly with.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 74 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 29-Jul-2002 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (darklite):
> I'm not saying H&P is not at fault, but why do you know AInc isn't
> also at fault?
They might be, but it is not the issue here.
> The terms of the contract could've been totally different from the
> terms they agreed on earlier and could've been unacceptable to H&P.
> AInc have made such contracts before, ask Ralph Schmidt.
That is wild speculation, since H&P have so far refused to make any official statement on the issue. Either way, the REASON why they refused to sign the contract is irrelevant. No singature means no contract, and no contract means H&P have no right to distribute Kickstart images. Simple, really.
> I heard AInc wanted to get the rights to OS3.5/9, and maybe they're
> trying to 'blackmail' H&P now?
Check the copyrights to OS 3.9: they already belong to Amiga Inc. What Amiga Inc do not have access or rights to is the source code for any of the stuff H&P changed or upgraded.
Alleged blackmail or not, not signing a contract that is on the table amounts to rejection of the deal. It does not mean "we'll carry on as if the deal is done and renegotiate until we see something we like - meanwhile we'll keep all the money we make, thank you".
> H&P are idiots because they released a product for which they didn't
> have a licence from AInc, with whom they weren't really friendly with.
The latter part is irrelevat. The first part is crucial.
Whatever conditions Amiga Inc applied to that contract, they were not agreed to, hence Amiga Inc are perfectly entitled, indeed duty bound, to protect their property.
If I have a problem with H&P, it is with their lax approach to licensing rights altogether. The Amiga Inc issue is not an isolated case when you consider the Genesis/AmiTCP and AmigaXL/GPL issues in the same light.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 75 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2002 12:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Corben Dalls):
>My conclusion is that most of you act like a bunch of children
And you are the generous and serious PC-Daddy? :)
>that do not deserve new Amiga hardware or software.
Actually, we are afraid of new hardware, afraid of changes!
"Just two more weeks" - play it again, Sam.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 76 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jul-2002 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Bill Hoggett):
>No singature means no contract, and no contract means H&P have no right to
>distribute Kickstart images. Simple, really.
Not simple really, because there exist a court descision that Escom had NOT
proven the acquire of AmigaOS. So, until proven otherwise...
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 77 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 29-Jul-2002 12:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Bill Hoggett):
>That is wild speculation, since H&P have so far refused to make any official
>statement on the issue. Either way, the REASON why they refused to sign the
>contract is irrelevant. No singature means no contract, and no contract means
>H&P have no right to distribute Kickstart images. Simple, really.
Not really. IIRC Juergen Haage said in a first statement (month ago, in a
comment on amiga-news.de) that they have all needed rights. So H&P thinks they
own a right for distributing ROM images, Amiga Inc does not think so. It's for
a court to sort those things out.
Additionally H&P (J. Haage) said that Amiga now just threatens them because
they want H&P to sign another contract what H&P refused until now (and which
seems to be essential for Amiga Inc, maybe OS3.5/3.9 licence?).
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 78 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 29-Jul-2002 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Anonymous):
> Not simple really, because there exist a court descision that Escom had
> NOT proven the acquire of AmigaOS. So, until proven otherwise...
Bullshit.
That was a decision regarding VillageTronic's rights to distribute material they had licensed before the demise of Commodore.
It was not a decision allowing carte-blanche re-distributions rights of AmigaOS to all and sundry.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 79 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 29-Jul-2002 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (David Scheibler):
> Not really. IIRC Juergen Haage said in a first statement (month ago, in
> a comment on amiga-news.de) that they have all needed rights.
Yes, and Martin Steigerwald has also reiterated that same statement on the mailing list. Neither is willing to elaborate on specifics, though.
> So H&P thinks they own a right for distributing ROM images,
It is curious as to how they would explain this. H&P have NEVER had a right to distribute ROM images. The only way they could have obtained such rights would have been by signing a contract, which Herr Haage has admitted he refused to do.
> Amiga Inc does not think so. It's for a court to sort those things out.
Yes. Hopefully soon after 1st of September 2002, with appropriate action against anyone taking liberties where they are not entitled to.
> Additionally H&P (J. Haage) said that Amiga now just threatens them
> because they want H&P to sign another contract what H&P refused until
> now (and which seems to be essential for Amiga Inc, maybe OS3.5/3.9
> licence?).
Whether they have additional motivation is irrelevant. The only question is if anyone is doing anything illegal or not. It's hight time any crooks are cleaned out of the Amiga scene for good.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 80 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 29-Jul-2002 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Bill Hoggett):
>It is curious as to how they would explain this. H&P have NEVER had a right to
>distribute ROM images.
Maybe it has something todo with OS3.5 or 3.9?
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 81 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 29-Jul-2002 13:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Bill Hoggett):
>That was a decision regarding VillageTronic's rights to distribute
>material they had licensed before the demise of Commodore.
Right, but do you know what was written in that contract ?
Or the one with MacroSystems (Draco) ?
Were these rights transferable, and if yes who owns them now ?
How were the licence-fees handled, one time upfront, or per copy ?
I simply don't believe that Mr Haage is stupid enough to run into
an "open knife" and I see two possible scenarios:
1. He thinks (thought) AInc won't/can't sue out of finacial restrictations
(or because they don't have a 100% clear ownership themselves).
2. He somehow has found a way to get a legal Kick-licence outside AInc,
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 82 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 29-Jul-2002 13:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (David Scheibler):
Nice try David, but it's FUD.
H&P claim AmigaXL was ready to ship at St Louis last year. If they already had the license, why didn't they?
A cynical person might say that a certain MorphOS supporter would jump on any chance to spread FUD about Amiga Inc, but I'm not a cynical person. ;-)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 83 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 29-Jul-2002 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Bill Hoggett):
"However, H&P then refused to execute the contract (in other words, they would not sign it), and this has
been confirmed by Mr Haage. Why H&P feel that having done this they still have the right to continue
distrubuting Amiga Inc's IP is anybody's guess, because H&P are not elaborating.
The emphasis here is on the difference between "agreeing" a deal, and
"executing"
it."
The question is, why did they not execute it? There has to be another
side to the argument between AI and H&P. Something caused them to not
sign.
Either there is something in the license agreement that they don't
like (although according to Bill, Bernie signed exactly the same
agreement), or they are so desperate for money that they can't afford
to pay any royalties.
It seems unlikely after all their anti-piracy campaigns that H&P would
just turn into pirates for no reason.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 84 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 29-Jul-2002 13:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Bill Hoggett):
>Nice try David, but it's FUD.
No it isn't. I don't know what was in the Gateway-H&P contract and I doubt you
know it. I don't know what was in the Amiga Inc-H&P contract, and
I doubt you know it.
Fact is that H&P thinks they have a licence so they must think they got it at
sometime. There weren't so many contracts between H&P and Amiga Inc. so it must
be in one of the few contracts they signed.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 85 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 29-Jul-2002 13:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Bill Hoggett):
>That was a decision regarding VillageTronic's rights to distribute material they had licensed before the demise of Commodore.
It's been said before but the same few people keep spreading thier FUD regardless of the truth. I still can't figure out why someone would waste thier life spreading bullshit like that, but hey, thier free to be as stupid as they want right? :) For me, it's always good for a laugh to come to Ann and read these sort of morons with pathetic little lives who have nothing better to do than make up garbage about Amiga. Keep the faith boys. Some day the whole world will worship you for your profound insights. Then again, probably not. ;)
Be nice to stupid people. They are reminders of how privledged you really are.
GRUNT
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 86 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 29-Jul-2002 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Bill Hoggett):
"It's high time any crooks are cleaned out of the Amiga scene for
good."
Would there be anyone left? ;-)
With the current numbers, we need all the crooks we can get.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 87 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 29-Jul-2002 13:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Bill Hoggett):
>A cynical person might say that a certain MorphOS supporter would jump on any chance to spread FUD about Amiga Inc, but I'm not a cynical person. ;-)
Where's cOrpse when you need him? ;)
GRUNT
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 88 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 29-Jul-2002 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Kronos):
>Right, but do you know what was written in that contract ?
Your grasping at straws i'm afraid. If anything you suppose might have been the case, why hasen't H&P just said so?
Besides, hasen't someone already mentioned that H&P has a problem with liscensing issues?
GRUNT
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 89 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 29-Jul-2002 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Kronos):
> 2. He somehow has found a way to get a legal Kick-licence outside AInc,
Erm, why did he then say that "we are waiting for the Amiga Inc invoice before paying them"?
Clutching at straws, perhaps?
Look, no doubt that if you try hard enough you might think of a hypothetical scenario where H&P are justified and no holes can be easily blasted through it, but what's the point? All of that is PURE speculation, without even an ounce of evidence to suggest that might be the case.
I think you're right, and Mr Haage has simply got into the habit of thinking he is inviolate, specially if the other party is far away and seems not to have large financial reserves for a court case. Perhaps it's time someone called his bluff and got him to answer in court. I doubt H&P are particularly flush financially either.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 90 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 29-Jul-2002 13:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Bill Hoggett):
<snip>
>Whatever conditions Amiga Inc applied to that contract, they were not agreed
>to, hence Amiga Inc are perfectly entitled, indeed duty bound, to protect
>their property.
What if AInc and H&P agreed on the terms and AInc gave H&P the go-ahead to start selling, after which AInc sent H&P a contract describing totally different terms which they could not agree with?
And yes, I am aware that H&P didn't stop selling their product. Maybe I should start thinking about sending my copy back to H&P for a refund.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 91 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 29-Jul-2002 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (AmiTroll):
>Your grasping at straws i'm afraid.
No just palying "devil's advocate" !!
While I would have prefered an Amithlon without AInc (by using an AROS-Kick-
replacement, I also see that this won't happen after the relations between
Bernie and Harald/H&P went sour.
Bernie + AInc is the ONLY chance for a future Amithlon has, and if AInc loses
this battle (which might happen) it would be dead.
>...why hasen't H&P just said so?
And why didn't McBill speak out much earlier ? Why did he push Bernie and Harald
to H&P(*) when he allready had problems with them regarding the 3.9 sales ?
>Besides, hasen't someone already mentioned that H&P has a
>problem with liscensing issues?
And AInc has a problem with telling the truth (see Party-Pack for instance), but
what has that to do with the current problem ?
(*) the only reason I head sofar is outright hilarious, but would perfectly fit
with typical "McBill-buissnes-strategys".
*OINK* *OINK*
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 92 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 29-Jul-2002 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Kronos):
> And why didn't McBill speak out much earlier ? Why did he push Bernie and
> Harald to H&P(*) when he allready had problems with them regarding the
> 3.9 sales ?
Part of the answer to that is hinted at in the video interview (which gives the distinct impression that it wasn't his idea). The rest, as to why H&P and not someone else, I don't know. I've heards a number of rumours, some very believable, but they're just rumours...
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 93 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 29-Jul-2002 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (darklite):
>What if AInc and H&P agreed on the terms and AInc gave H&P the go-ahead to start selling, after which AInc sent H&P a contract describing totally different terms which they could not agree with?
Either way, H&P are into AmigaInc for xx amount of $'s. They shipped product they didnt buy first so now they are stuck for the bill. If Amiga did change the terms of the contract (from the verbal one) then they would STILL have to pay up regardless. Even a verbal contract is enforceable. That or they out and out stole the IP which would be even worse for them.
Besides, i tend to believe that H&P thinks it's immune from foreign companys for some reason. Even after Bernie invoked a clause in his contract with them and told H&P to stop selling Amithilon, they continued to sell it. (still are selling it right?) Sounds to me like they have a crack head in the legal department. Besides, even if they do somehow have license to sell it legaly, a court case would be a drain on thier cash and that alone would force them to speak to Amiga and get things settled quickly and we would have all heard about it by now. And poor Bernie wouldn't be living in the back seat of his car and cooking tv dinners on a hot plate. :)
>And yes, I am aware that H&P didn't stop selling their product. Maybe I should start thinking about sending my copy back to H&P for a refund.
I doubt there is a refund policy. :) That would be too much hassle anyway.
GRUNT
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 94 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Bernd Meyer on 29-Jul-2002 14:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (AmiTroll):
>And poor Bernie wouldn't be living in the back seat of his car
>and cooking tv dinners on a hot plate. :)
It's not _that_ bad, yet. And given my car (a 1975 Beetle), I sincerely hope it never gets to that point. Of course, the fact that I am a highly qualified IT professional with over a decade of tertiary education under my belt makes that scenario pleasantly unlikely.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 95 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 29-Jul-2002 14:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (cOrpse):
You are an Amigans???
You are simply a troll. You continue to tell false and stupid things!!!
I said in these months just 2 things trough all the sheet:
1)Ben words about a fantomatic frebuary release was FALSE! I told you (and you laugh me) that it would be a miracle to see something for December 2002 ... well "sort of pathetic vaporware supporter" you was so stupid to not see the reality, like now.
2)AmigaOne will be released soon (Eyetech cheaf declaration in november 2001 in Cologne) ... soon would be a year after (if God helps Eyetech).
On the other hand, you have to silently accept that Bplan developers mainboard are around, runs and on them ... we don't use Linux, like "the supera amigan Amigaone", but MorphOS, a real AmigOS clone! Keep this in your little mind.
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 96 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 29-Jul-2002 14:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Eva):
>you have to silently accept that Bplan developers mainboard are around,
And AmigaOne developer boards are not? And more of them it seems. And why didn't Hyperion receive a developer board if they have so many out? Probably the developer boards you're talking about are not more than two or three
>runs and on them ... we don't use Linux, like "the supera amigan
> Amigaone", but MorphOS, a real AmigOS clone!
Ullalla', that's impressive. An OS with no history that comes out of nowhere and presumes to become master of the universe. Give your soul at rest, BeOS didn't succeed as a new OS, QNX followed the same way and what makes you think that MOS will? In the Amiga community there is place for only one OS and that is *THE* official AmigaOS, not a clone. Since you've been so good at dividing the community why don't you and your few friend go somewhere else and talk about the thing you like instead of staying here all the time like parasites.
>Keep this in your little mind.
HA! Look who's talking...
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 97 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 29-Jul-2002 15:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (thesameeveryday):
Proof? you want proof?.......hehehe.... there is plenty of proof that Amiga says things that don't happen...
Is that enough proof for you?
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 98 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by NameME on 29-Jul-2002 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (amigammc):
Some of us saw the MorphOS Running, also some of us had the luck of being able of use it to do some tests, the results were "IMPRESIVE".
Yes they don't have shiny screen captures, what a shame! What a discredit!, instead they have an operating system.
The only problem is the timeline... probably too late.
About AmigaOS4 what can I say??? They are implementing nearly all of MorphOS concepts***, they started the project when they saw it running and indeed possible-viable, but this is not the problem, it is called competition and itís better for us to have more players on the arena, the problem of OS4 is that is impossible to accomplish such task on just one-two years as they pretend, it took 5 years to the MorphOS team to be where they areÖ with an incomplete operating system eternally near-to-be finish.
We are permanently in nowhere, even somebody managed to kill Amithlon.
(***Iím not talking about implementation thatís a different issue)
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 99 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 29-Jul-2002 17:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Bill Hoggett):
>Whether they have additional motivation is irrelevant. The only question is if
>anyone is doing anything illegal or not. It's hight time any crooks are
>cleaned out of the Amiga scene for good.
Amen brother!!!! *ALL* of the crooks!
Amiga Inc. Plans to Shutdown Illegal Uses of Amiga IP : Comment 100 of 172ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 29-Jul-2002 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Eva):
>On the other hand, you have to silently accept that Bplan developers mainboard
>are around, runs and on them ... we don't use Linux, like "the supera amigan
>Amigaone", but MorphOS, a real AmigOS clone! Keep this in your little mind.
Pegasos... Sounds familiar... Isn't that the one that was meant to be out in February?
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