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Posted on 02-Aug-2002 12:53 GMT by Kjell Breding53 comments
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On the 21st of September, a showcase for the AmigaOne will be held in Gothenburg, Sweden. AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event

On the 21st of September, a showcase for the AmigaOne will be held in Gothenburg, Sweden. Beta testers from Norway and Denmark will attend this event. This event is a scandinavian kick-off for the AmigaOne!

This showcase is hosted by the user group AmiGBG together with GGS-Data.

More detailed information will soon be published on www.amigbg.com.

Best regards, / Kjell Breding on behalf of the AmiGBG user group

AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 1 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 02-Aug-2002 11:45 GMT
Is there any real chance of seeing an OS4 beta running on the machine by then ?
Or maybe they could run UAE on top of linux ? its nice to see linux running on it but i think most people want to see some amigaOS stuff running on it somehow :/
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 2 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Aug-2002 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (cOrpse):
If all goes as planed UAE Jit will be demonstrated.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 3 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 02-Aug-2002 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
The JIT used in UAE is a early version of the Amithlon-JIT (by Bernie Meyer)
and only works on x86. I've never heard of a PPC-port, so I assume you mean
the "normal" Linux-version recompiled fo PPC (without JIT).
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 4 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 02-Aug-2002 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
If all goes as we HOPE, there'll be a lot more than that. ;-)
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 5 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 02-Aug-2002 12:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Kronos):
Kronos. There are other JITs out there and you have your factz a bit skewed.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 6 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 02-Aug-2002 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (DaveW):
Offcourse there are other JITs, but are they under GPL ?
And can they be included into UAE without rewritting big parts ?
The only thing I know is that Bernies JIT is the only one available for UAE,
and a lot of talk (but no actions) of redoing it for other CPUs.
UAE-JIT-PPC would be really nice especially for all those who converted to
MacOS in th lasr years.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 7 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Jackdaw on 02-Aug-2002 14:32 GMT
If i know the computer magazines in Sweden right, 80% will ignore the whole thing and the rest will in detail describe what a bunch of morons everybody who had the stupid idea to be in the same room as the A1, are.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 8 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 02-Aug-2002 14:34 GMT
What's the point of showing a computer running Linux at an Amiga show?
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 9 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 02-Aug-2002 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (smithy):
To legitimize the readiness of the hardware.
It may be a bit premature to expect to see the AmigaOS running on the board, but before anyone makes any dire predictions why don't we wait and hear from those in charge.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 10 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 02-Aug-2002 15:22 GMT
Hmmm, I see that "Pianeta Amiga" are planning to show "a preview" (whatever that means) of AmigaOS4 in Firenze/Florence on Sept. 21-22.
If the same goes for this Gothenburg "event", it might not be as totally uninteresting as it first seems. I live in Gothenburg, but if I would want to see just a motherboard it'd still be easier to start a browser and watch it again... for the millionth time...
"Oooh! Aaaah! It looks just like in the pictures! Bye." ;)
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 11 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 02-Aug-2002 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Seehund):
Moreover we'll have the AmigaOne and the Pegasos in demonstration for the AExpo Alchimie II in France, the 7th and 8th of september.
That's gonna be a very HOT september...
Message to Amigans from Italy, Belgium, Swiss, Spain, England, Deutschland and out there : consider coming to the AExpo Alchimie II !
This is not very far away from Spain and Italy !
English people : once in Paris, it's 2h30 hour by train !
German people : we come to Köln every year ! Now it's up to you to come and taste our wine while trying the Aone and the Pegasos !!
Hope to see ya !
Ben Yoris
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 12 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 02-Aug-2002 15:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Seehund):
Do you think people will only go too Gothenborg because of the A1 (and eventually OS4)?
Then why did people attend last year?
I am quite sure that a fully working A1 with a working version of OS4 would attract lots more people (And media!) but I don't hope that would be everything people come for.
I really wanted to go last year but had some other (more) important stuff to do at that day, so this year I have put a cross in my calender and plan to be there, OS4 or not!
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 13 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 02-Aug-2002 16:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Troels Ersking):
OS4 isn't going to be ready by Sept of this year, hopefully Sept. 2003 (keep your fingers crossed).
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 14 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Casey R Williams on 02-Aug-2002 16:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (MIKE):
Are you saying this because you know it, because you believe it, or because you wish it to be so?
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 15 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Jake on 02-Aug-2002 16:13 GMT
or..because your mother droped you early after your birth?
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 16 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 02-Aug-2002 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Ole-Egil):
You mean strippers ? Sweet :)
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 17 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 02-Aug-2002 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Troels Ersking):
> Do you think people will only go too Gothenborg because of the A1 (and
> eventually OS4)?
No, that was my point. And AmigaOS4 wasn't mentioned in this announcement.
As fas as this announcement goes, this is not another AmiGBG Show, but just a display of an "AmigaOne" motherboard. This seems rather pointless to me, unless AmigaOS is to be demonstrated running in whatever state it might be in by then.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 18 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by hgm on 02-Aug-2002 17:11 GMT
So, there is a preview of AOS 4.0. In my estimation there will pass another 2 months
before the release of AOS 4.0 for the general public. Good show. Pretty well done
before Christmas shopping. Hope some people care.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 19 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 02-Aug-2002 17:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Seehund):
I'd say it's not pointless in seeing it run linux. If nothing else, you will get a feel for how fast the system is, way more than just a hunch.
You will get some kind of understanding how the hardware works together, even if it's not OS4.
IMO, better to show it using linux, than nothing at all.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 20 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 02-Aug-2002 17:54 GMT
Yawn, more Linux/PPC demos.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 21 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 02-Aug-2002 18:11 GMT
There seem to be a lot of shows. It would be nice to have a website that summarized all the dates and places of various shows.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 22 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 02-Aug-2002 18:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Ben Yoris):
>Moreover we'll have the AmigaOne and the Pegasos in demonstration for the
>AExpo Alchimie II in France, the 7th and 8th of september
Hi Ben,
This French show sounds interesting. Is there a website for the show? As it's only 6-7 weeks away people will need to start planning!
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 23 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by god on 02-Aug-2002 18:16 GMT
we have os 4 my be my not but amiga one is cool
trouble in digital
http://mysite.freeserve.com/tidr
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 24 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Gunne Steen on 02-Aug-2002 19:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (reflect):
We did this information, so that you can start preparing your bicycle or whatever you will use for the transport.
And this will of course not be the last one. As what is used to say, to be continued...
/Gunne
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 25 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 02-Aug-2002 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (smithy):
Hello,
> This French show sounds interesting. Is there a website for the show? As > it's only 6-7 weeks away people will need to start planning!
Yes there a website with all the information and you'll also be able to book directly for your entrance on the website.
Here the URL: http://www.afua.asso.fr/A-Expo/
I hope lot of you will be able to come at this show :)
Regards
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 26 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 03-Aug-2002 06:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Frodon):
French people should also take a look at
http://www.slach.fr.st/
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 27 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 03-Aug-2002 06:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (smithy):
Shouldn't you and your mates be attending those we hate windows linux ruLEZ events instead of dirtying up events for people with amiga's .
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 28 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Aug-2002 09:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Frodon):
Quote: I hope lot of you will be able to come at this show :)
Methinks you mean Come To this show !!
Lets keep sex out of it !!
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 29 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 03-Aug-2002 11:14 GMT
Frodon answered for me !
Thx Frodon !
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 30 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Aug-2002 11:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
Well if OS4 and AmigaONE is shown, then theirs real reason to "come" *hehe*:)
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 31 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Aug-2002 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anonymous):
Good point!!
1 brownie point to you !!
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 32 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 03-Aug-2002 13:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (cOrpse):
>Shouldn't you and your mates be attending those we hate windows linux ruLEZ
>events instead of dirtying up events for people with amiga's .
Well, for Linux lovers, looking at an AmigaOne would be ideal. However, I'm not a Linux lover, in fact, as some in the AROS camp would testify - I've had nothing but problems with it.
I'd like to visit the French show because I am consider myself an dispossed Amigan (along with the thousands of other Amigans that have been left out in the cold because of Amiga Inc's plans, and forced into MOS or AROS), and because I've never been to France and September is always a pleasant time of year (weather wise).
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 33 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 03-Aug-2002 13:52 GMT
Indeed there are other 68k JIT-emu's out there. I'm a bit surprised you forgot about Petunia (the one that sits in OS4).
Benchmarks here:
http://amigos.amiga.hu/rachy/petunia.html
Of course it isn't UAE related, but thought I would mention it. :-)
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 34 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Jake on 03-Aug-2002 14:09 GMT
i can understand it's nice to be able to use different kinds of application and thing's to A1, but i really can't understand why this is going to happend on an Amiga show unless OS4 isn't ready to that date! but if it's ready, it's a good moment to show Linux runnig and etc. Otherwise drop the show, i don't like amiga just because runnig linux on it!...
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 35 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 03-Aug-2002 15:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Jake):
oh, right. _YOU_ aren't interested in linux, so they should drop the show. ok.
great idea. there are others who are happy to take your place at the show though, you can be sure about that :)
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 36 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 03-Aug-2002 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Henrik Mikael Kristensen):
I don't think Kronos forgot either Petunia or the one used in MorphOS, but neither of those is GPL, so they're going to be a bit tricky to implement within UAE without breaking UAE's GPL license. This has already been discussed months ago. To date, I haven't seen a definitive explanation on how these proprietary JIT solutions are going to be integrated into a GPL emulator.
If someone knows how it will be done, please tell us so that this dicussion can come to a conclusion once and for all.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 37 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Jake on 03-Aug-2002 21:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (reflect):
well!!.. i see you have truble with the reading, well, then read it over and over agin til you see the answer in it!! :)
1. you will not see anyting in the text that say's i I disslike LINUX!!!
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 38 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 03-Aug-2002 21:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Jake):
"Otherwise drop the show, i don't like amiga just because runnig linux on it!..."
Then what does the above statement mean. It sounds like you want them to drop the Amiga show because you don't like the Amiga running Linux.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 39 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Phill on 03-Aug-2002 23:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Bill Hoggett):
GPL issues aren't necessarily that hard to get round, otherwise it wouldn't be possible to run GPL software on a non GPL operating system like Windows. I'm sure if Amiga Inc asked nicely then UAE would re-license the code for them anyway.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 40 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 04-Aug-2002 02:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Casey R Williams):
He's just acting like the ass that he is
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 41 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 04-Aug-2002 03:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Phill):
Yes you can combune GPL and non-GPL code if the non-GPL code is part of the
OS (which rules out an UAE-Petunia for Linux), but you would still have the
problem of geting Petunia to work in a way that is compatible with the way
UAE uses it's JIT.
About relicencing UAE: Thats what Bernie did for the parts he used in Amithlon
(very few) and even here he had to rewrite some stuff himself because he could
not get a licence.
Trying to get ALL authours of UAE to say yes (which would be neccesary) is just
as easy as drinking an ocean dry ;0)
You should also remember that this would be against the very principle of free
SW, that nobody should be able to use it in closed-SW for their on advantage.
And yes a JITed UAE would mean a slight advantage for OS4 over MorphOS.
This leaves these options:
1. Rewrite Bernies JIT to PPC (should be possible with a "bit" of work).
2. Rewrite UAE to access a "petunia.library" under OS4 (even more work).
3. Release a GPL-version of Petunia and add it to UAE (still a lot of work).
4. Live with UAE-PPC non-JIT. (how much AA-dependant SW do you really need ?).
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 42 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Aug-2002 07:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (smithy):
"Well, for Linux lovers, looking at an AmigaOne would be ideal. However, I'm not a Linux lover, in fact, as some in the AROS camp would testify - I've had nothing but problems with it."
Theres an AROS camp ? Holy crap ... nothing against AROS , i just didn't think there was a cr3w ! , probaly full on the same x86 whingers no doubt.
"I'd like to visit the French show because I am consider myself an dispossed Amigan (along with the thousands of other Amigans that have been left out in the cold because of Amiga Inc's plans, and forced into MOS or AROS), and because I've never been to France and September is always a pleasant time of year (weather wise)."
Dispossed Amigans ? Is that your excuse for not ever being part of the amiga community and if you ever did own an amiga pirating all the software and never upgrading so software developers could advance ?
And by left out in the cold you mean PPC , and let me tell you now that wasn't amiga inc's idea or even cbm's ( HP Risc IIRC ) ... The PPC idea was thanks to the boys at Phase 5 and because the only modern-ish software we have now is PPC ( thanks to people like hyperion ) and theres no PPC emulator on X86 we're kinda stuck to it. Amiga's plan suites people like you down to the ground , you can't decide what to support , soo anti PPC yet you support a PPC motherboard + OS just because its the *other side* , Amiga's idea is that it doesn't matter what CPU , hardware etc it is ... Perfect for those with the lastest *rebel* buzz word support attitude.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 43 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 04-Aug-2002 09:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (cOrpse):
Corpse typed:
> Dispossed Amigans ? Is that your excuse for not ever being part of
> the amiga community and if you ever did own an amiga pirating all
> the software and never upgrading so software developers could advance ?
How truly McEwenish of you to make a cheap false accusation of piracy and theft you troll.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 44 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Aug-2002 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Daniel Miller):
They only want an X86 amigaOS so they have lots of nice cheap hardware to run warezord copies of it on, want to guess the percentage of UAE users that paid for they're kickstart rom + os disk(disc) images and the apps / games they run on it? 5->8% ?
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 45 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 04-Aug-2002 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (cOrpse):
"They only want an X86 amigaOS so they have lots of nice cheap hardware to run warezord copies of it
on, want to guess the percentage of UAE users that paid for they're kickstart rom + os disk(disc) images
and the apps / games they run on it? 5->8% ? "
That may be true of UAE users who didn't buy Amiga Forever, but it
isn't true of Amithlon users, who all bought a bundle that included a
complete Amiga OS. (It isn't the fault of the purchasers if a part of
that OS turned out not to be licensed after all).
I think you will find that the vast majority of Amiga software running
on Amithlons is fully legal.
We are all anxious to dispell the image of the Amiga as just an old
games machine from the 1980s.
For those who do want to play A500 games, I believe all those on Back
to the Roots are legal.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 46 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Aug-2002 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Don Cox):
Whats to say these Amithlon users didn't pay for theirs ... Seems theres alot of users that are willing to stump up the money for that but not a $50 coupon that's basically $50 already down on an os4/amigaone ..
Thing is X86 is the piracy platform of choice . Being cheap and standard theres no problem getting hold of any software for it , be it beOS pro or the latest windows game ... Even amithlon is up for the picking.
Give me proof half the people here screaming amiga inc are killing amiga have put their money where the mouth is in the past to support amiga and i'll say sorry , but it seems to me alot of people found their way into the *community* via ADF's etc and attached their worthless leech arse only to doubt everything offical and drive for a solution where they won't have to show their support where it hurts "their pockets !"
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 47 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Aug-2002 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (cOrpse):
>They only want an X86 amigaOS so they have lots of nice cheap hardware to run warezord copies of it on
This rotten corpse is truely full of shit.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 48 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 04-Aug-2002 17:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (cOrpse):
i totally agree
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 49 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Aug-2002 17:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Alkemyst):
The thing that makes me laugh is that the X86 hoes run BitchX to look cool to their IRC buddies but the version reports nice Win XP hahah
/ME rofl and crying stick to Mirc for everyones sake.
/me only runs BitchX on quality amiga motherboards and not so quality but super cooled PPC products.
AONE Gothenburg 2002 Fall Event : Comment 50 of 53ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 04-Aug-2002 17:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (cOrpse):
what irc channel you hangout in again? :)
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