|[News] AmiWest transcripts online||ANN.lu|
|Posted on 07-Aug-2002 21:48 GMT by Seehund||22 comments|
You didn't listen to the live UGN broadcasts from AmiWest? You didn't download the recorded speeches and interviews? Well, here is a (moderately) low bandwidth consuming opportunity to catch up with what people are fighting over today!
I have sweated over the telephone interview with Thomas Frieden (Hyperion) and the speeches by and the interview with Bill McEwen (Amiga, Inc.).|
Come, be amused and nauseous, scared and excited, it's all on the house. Be baffled by the mystery of the vanishing hardware, see the Mighty MacE pull new hardware licensees out of his hat and get a naughty sneak peek of The Sexy Future Of Mating Fridges (all with Amiga(TM) stickers). Pick a future Fanatic Faction already today - is Symbian or WindowsCE.net the True Amiga?
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|Posted by cOrpse on 07-Aug-2002 19:51 GMT|
|Nice work , i like the banner at the bottom too ;).|
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|Posted by Nakkel on 07-Aug-2002 19:58 GMT|
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|Posted by takemehomegrandma on 07-Aug-2002 20:10 GMT|
|Wow. Great work. What an effort!|
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|Posted by takemehomegrandma on 07-Aug-2002 21:31 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 3 (takemehomegrandma):|
Well, now I've read it all. Truly a great job!
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|Posted by Douglas McLaughlin on 07-Aug-2002 21:57 GMT|
|I can appreciate the work needed to make the transcripts. I've done many a thousand (not kidding) myself. However, the personal opinions were not requested or needed. Your personal comments should be linked in, not the first thing a person is confronted with when visiting the website.|
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|Posted by Troels Ersking on 07-Aug-2002 22:06 GMT|
|Woow, someone have a lot of time...|
To biased unfortunately, would been better if the transcripts could be there alone and people could make up their mind themselves..
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|Posted by Seehund on 07-Aug-2002 22:33 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 5 (Douglas McLaughlin):|
Thanks, "you guys". ;)
> I can appreciate the work needed to make the transcripts. I've done many a
> thousand (not kidding) myself.
I guess I must have read some, much appreciated. It's a crapload of work, yeah. I did it a bit at a time over several nights though, but it's tough to sit down for just one hour straight with the headphones and rewinding every damn sentence a million times... :-P In any case it's just crap on TV on summer nights and I've already read the books I wanted to, so... Anyway, I hope I provided a point of reference for those "no way, he just can't have said that!" flamewars. :)
> However, the personal opinions were not requested or needed.
Bah. My time, my work, my server, my bandwidthmy opinions and my comments. At least I didn't intersperse my comments in the transcript!
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|Posted by Douglas McLaughlin on 07-Aug-2002 22:39 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 7 (Seehund):|
> At least I didn't intersperse my comments in the transcript!
True. :-) And you did provide relevent links in the transcript. It was a nice job! Plus what I said previously. But it IS your sight, my previous comments are only observation.
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|Posted by Darrin on 08-Aug-2002 00:17 GMT|
|Thanks Seehund, I really appreciate your hard efforts. I downloaded one of the audio files, but decided it was too much effort to download the others. Actually seeing them like this was sooooo much better.|
Even though I don't agree with your comments in the introduction (and skipped past most of the text once my teeth started grinding together), I have to say that clicking on some of your "links" in the transcripts cracked me up (I loved the America's World Map thingy, and the definition for "lie") - cruel, but VERY funny. :)
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|Posted by Johan "Graak" Forsberg on 08-Aug-2002 01:48 GMT|
|Man, are you just bored or what? It must have taken quite a while to make those transcripts =)<BR>|
Much appreciated though =)
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|Posted by George Wyche on 08-Aug-2002 01:48 GMT|
|I *know* how much work that was. I wasn't about to download the MP3 on this dinky modem, but I read your transcription. I like your style of comments at the top! Sometimes I kick myself for being such a sap for my Amiga. Here my family has an A1200, a Sun Ultra-1 and a iMac. Only the Amiga... I'll leave it at that. Only the Amiga.|
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|Posted by cheesegrate on 08-Aug-2002 02:51 GMT|
|niceone seehund that was funny ;)|
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|Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 08-Aug-2002 03:52 GMT|
|Hats off to the transcribers! I *have* mad bandwidth, but I wouldn't have gone beyond the Q&A otherwise.|
Now, for the record, I liked the Suck-style linking, and was amused to see http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/35/26331.html had made it in. I know someone out there's going to load it and think "What a jackass!," but what didn't become apparent was that it was a humor-breather after I'd sent a few whining mails hoping to see the promotion covered. (Did *any* non-Amiga sites pick the story up?)
I seem to be the only person minding, but I figured I'd deflect the egg before it's loosed.
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|Posted by Anonymous on 08-Aug-2002 04:35 GMT|
|There's a great piece where Bill McEwen can't understand how a company that is in the black and profitable would need outside investment. That should be a healthy reminder to us that Bill knows nothing about the history of our industry.|
Several very famous computer companies were once in exactly the situation he describes. I'll give the example of Acorn here, who are these days mostly associated with ARM, but were once a brand new start up making hobbyist computers.
Acorn had some great people, some great ideas and a bank loan. They bought hardware for a certain amount of money, made computers, and sold them for a bunch more money. These things were flying off the shelves - it turns out that people wanted to buy computers. A lot of people.
So at the beginning of each month money from last month's sales was pouring into their bank account and Acorn had to make a choice. How much should they spend on making next month's computers ?
Spend the same as last month and let the savings build up? Spend the money coming in - Expand slowly and gradually carve out a niche?
Bill would have lost Acorn a lot of money and probably made sure that they got eaten alive by their competitors. What Acorn actually did was to borrow as much as possible and expand as quickly as possible. As strange as it sounds if your company is genuinely profitable it makes sense to *borrow* money and seek outside *investment* in order to make even more profit.
This doesn't apply to huge, mature companies like industrials, because they can't expand quickly so they don't need the money. It also doesn't apply to a few insane cases like supermarkets and Microsoft, which generate so much CASH that it's often impossible for them to spend it, let alone borrow more.
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|Posted by smithy on 08-Aug-2002 13:49 GMT|
|Thanks Seehund, that's a very useful resource :)|
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|Posted by Anonymous on 08-Aug-2002 14:28 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):|
Actually *you* didnt get it. The times have changed, today one gets only funding if one already has black numbers. Therefor when your at the beginning building up the market eg having losses, you hardly get any money, no matter what project it is or which perspective. So when a starting company needs money most, it doesnt get any, only when it can already live on its own it gets further funding - that was the point.
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|Posted by Anonymous on 08-Aug-2002 14:30 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):|
Another thing, this whole buy-up thing, instead of growing a bit more naturally, just to get bigger is what has lead to todays economy problems.
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|Posted by Seehund on 08-Aug-2002 23:17 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 13 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):|
> Now, for the record, I liked the Suck-style linking,
BTW, I've kept adding new links...
> and was amused to see http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/35/26331.html had
> made it in.
I was amused by reading that letter. :) I actually expected to see you publicly Excommunicated From The Community(TM) in the forums after that. :D
And yes, off the top of my head it's the only mainstream media I have seen this mentioned in, although I don't know how many comments from people I have seen saying that they have forwarded the "news" to all kinds of places (but the question is if it was more newsworthy than it was embarrassing). Well, there was of course that ad on OSNews.com.
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|Posted by Anonymous on 09-Aug-2002 00:13 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):|
You're oversimplifying. Growth wasn't the problem. Continued growth, even at a very fast rate is quite healthy in a new sector. Investors who put $1 million into a company to make it into a $10 million per year profit machine in TWO years rather than FIVE years or not at all, made a good deal. You can still get that kind of deal today, because it just makes good financial sense.
The trouble was that in the midst of a boom, as well as modern day Acorns (ie small and profitable companies that have money, but need to borrow more) getting their money to expand, a lot of idiots with no profit and no hope of getting one were given money too. That's what funded the final years of Be Inc. and that's what Ainc were on the tail end of. Today Be Inc. and Amiga Inc. wouldn't even get start up money, and that's a good thing because their basic business plan is UNSOUND. They will consume a lot of money, and then go out of business. Companies like that are far more responsible for today's economic situation, than the fast growing Acorns (sic) of this world.
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|Posted by DaveW on 09-Aug-2002 08:04 GMT|
|Good transcript marred by the boorish editorial on the front end.|
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|Posted by smithy on 09-Aug-2002 13:29 GMT|
|I've just read the whole transcript (phew!), and the funniest part was the continued heckling by Harald Frank.|
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|Posted by pixie on 09-Aug-2002 13:42 GMT|
|Good transcript, it save me a lot of money and work!:) I only think that you're being too biased, you only see what you want to see, and nothing else...|
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