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[News] Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002ANN.lu
Posted on 14-Aug-2002 11:25 GMT by Gunne Steen46 comments
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This is a first announcement of the first showplace of the Pegasos-computer in Sweden and in Scandinavia. Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 will be held on Sunday 22 September. On the show you will se Pegasos demonstrated and working for the first time here. Pegasos is a dual G3/G4/G5 MicroATX computer. At the moment it is possible to run either MorphOS or Linux operatingsystem on it. Organizer of the event is GGS-Data in co-operation with Thendic-France and betatesters of Pegasos from Sweden. Thendic as well as other important persons behind the Pegasos will join the show. More information will follow soon. Welcome ! Gunne Steen for GGS-Data
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 1 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 14-Aug-2002 10:08 GMT
It is possible to run either OS, but which is going to be shown? Is there a link I have missed to more detail or is no more known at the moment?
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 2 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Mattias Karlsson on 14-Aug-2002 10:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (DaveW):
More information will come soon on a website.
Regards,
/Mattias
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 3 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 14-Aug-2002 10:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (DaveW):
MorphOS will be showed. It was showed last week end in France at the Slach Party.
About 15 Pegasos were sold to beta testers. One of them has been offered for a Candy Factory logo contest.
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 4 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Gunne Steen on 14-Aug-2002 10:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (DaveW):
What will be shown, you will se if you visit the show :-),
or read afterwards, or maybe short time before.
The reason for the event is to show a new computersystem and
with software running on it.
I´m sure the event will be interresting.
/Gunne
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 5 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 14-Aug-2002 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Christophe Decanini):
Cool. Lets hope someone has a digital camera.
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 6 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 14-Aug-2002 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Christophe Decanini):
@Christophe Decanini:
> It was showed last week end in
> France at the Slach Party.
Any news from there?
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 7 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 14-Aug-2002 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (DaveW):
Hopefully, they will show both OS:es. MorphOS has been showed in public before, so that shouldn't be a problem. And there were some interest from the Linux community aswell if I remember correctly, so why not show that too?
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 8 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 14-Aug-2002 10:30 GMT
Also the new Amiga computer will be shown first time in scandinavia...
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1029313064&category=web&start=1&2
http://www.amigbg.com/aonegbg/default.asp?sid=what
And I think there will again be a hand full of AmigaDE developers... right?
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 9 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 14-Aug-2002 10:48 GMT
Are there going to be some Pegasos "Betatesters" for sale at the show? It would be nice if you could sign that NDA there and then, hand over the money and take the computer with you home. If that should be the case, then I would seriously consider to travel all the way from Gävle for this event. Otherwise I might come just as well, but it's a long way to travel ...
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 10 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 14-Aug-2002 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Christophe Decanini):
>About 15 Pegasos were sold to beta testers.
15 ? , man thats going to stonk microsofts beta testing for sure ;) , Its going to be pretty worthless beta testing also if all the machines are the same
/me might get one of those mediatorSX's mmm
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 11 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Leichnam on 14-Aug-2002 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (cOrpse):
Troll
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 12 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 14-Aug-2002 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (cOrpse):
>, Its going to be pretty worthless beta testing also if all the machines are the same
Eh? Why so?
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 13 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 14-Aug-2002 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Senex):
I was not there but I know that a lot of Pegasos were demoed with MorphOS and the MUI workbench replacement (MorphOS 0.9). I know a few people who went back home with a Pegasos. They are under NDA and won't communicate any information without Thendic authorisation.
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 14 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 14-Aug-2002 10:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (cOrpse):
> 15 ? , man thats going to stonk microsofts beta testing for sure ;) ,
Well, more is coming, that's for sure! I am not included in those 15, so it will be at least 16!
;-)
> Its going to be pretty worthless beta testing also if all the machines are
> the same
Not at all. Sure, the hardware is the same (pegasos), but you know, people tend to use their computers differently and install different software on them. And it´s about testing the OS, the hardware is all finnished since some time now.
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 15 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 14-Aug-2002 11:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (DaveW):
I know from personal experience that in the microsoft beta tests they just let it loose , any hardware you've got is fine.. The point is they test a large range of common hardware and test every part of the product to the extremes.
Sloppy coding aside , you can jam most hardware into a windows box and it'll work to an extent because its been tested on such hardware before.
If your testing a glued set of hardware its not going to fully test the product , Someone might switch a graphics card on the production version and find a problem there which should have been found during beta testing but wasn't because only a small range of hardware was experimented with.
This sort of testing would be fine if the os was going to be sold for that specific set of hardware , but i seriously doubt thats the case.
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 16 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 14-Aug-2002 11:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Leichnam):
Sorry i've done beta tests so i know what i'm talking :P
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 17 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 14-Aug-2002 11:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (cOrpse):
I mean "What i'm talking about" ... I blame it on playing with KDE3 running on my amiga via vnc :)
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 18 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 14-Aug-2002 11:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (DaveW):
I'll bring my camera with me if I go ...
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 19 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 14-Aug-2002 11:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (priest):
Yes. The A1 on saturday the 21:st and the Pegasos on sunday the 22:nd. Looks like it can be a mini holiday i Gothemburg that weekend!
:-)
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 20 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 14-Aug-2002 11:41 GMT
In which part of Sweden is this Gothemburg? How far from Oulu/Finland?-)
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 21 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 14-Aug-2002 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Jon):
> In which part of Sweden is this Gothemburg?
On the west coast, maybe it's more known among Finns as Göteborg?
http://mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?zoom=2&mapdata=%2fTemejSZH7efgK%2b%2fzotYKwmhu6p4DLidQV%2f7ShKNdW%2bv58Fri1Ti4lsC1XfOWh5RgJojjwOZmWzLwXuSSCYwCAGw9B7O2DxDuX4G0cnX6Wgz2sdzgqxGTfSBMBMbWoT5r5V1Mgq%2fM6xCkXfwq%2fRsMBZD8rx5m4gbhHWMSZO0Ll7kx5w9dFB61B5akU8sWXYzzGgeYcg%2fSUPeN%2fbdaAHM%2bghlqDmuzRXjNF6ySRmcAYH6RgAkV4WXSUC0V2h6d2HjbrWp8lT1X%2bU78jaYpuvcDsywW4YJeFm9MMByErwTVgwd49AUraP4cTgOgTbetADdwJnR1rydRC5RpzJU2cS00w%3d%3d
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 22 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 14-Aug-2002 12:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (priest):
> Also the new Amiga computer will be shown first time in scandinavia...
Nope, only the AmigaOne and Pegasos motherboards.
Wake up from the 1980s, there will be no more Amiga computers, thank heavens. Just (licensed...) hardware from third parties. Just like Amiga Inc says, if you don't believe what others say.
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 23 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 14-Aug-2002 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (takemehomegrandma):
"I'll bring my camera with me if I go ."
Put a polarising filter on it to kill the screen reflections.
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 24 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 14-Aug-2002 12:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Seehund):
Sorry about the Page Widening Post. Damn, why can't Mapquest not just use latitude/longitude in their URLs?
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 25 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 14-Aug-2002 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Seehund):
"On the west coast, maybe it's more known among Finns as Göteborg?"
And pronounced Yottabrrr IIRC. ;-)
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 26 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 14-Aug-2002 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Seehund):
> Damn, why can't Mapquest not just use latitude/longitude in their URLs?
Damn, why can't I form intelligible sentences? :-P
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 27 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Leichnam on 14-Aug-2002 13:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (cOrpse):
Troll.
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 28 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 14-Aug-2002 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Leichnam):
In the beta-testing aspect I have to agree with our dear Cadaver to some extent. It seems silly to have an identical config on all beta tester systems, but OTOH, if you need to test one set of drivers you need one set of hardware, and who's to say that the beta testing won't be done in stages, i.e. after this and that driver has been tested and released, work will start at another driver.
But I know as little about the Pegasos and MorphOS beta testing as Corpse, so I'll shut up now. :)
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 29 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 14-Aug-2002 13:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Seehund):
Well i know about beta testing and software testing in general , and i know you need to test at least a range of situations .. so with an os that would be a range of hardware and software .. You also have to do all the white box and black box crap if you believe what the pro's say ...
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 30 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Aug-2002 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (cOrpse):
It would be even more worthless testing if, as some people have done in the past, you pretend that testers will be able to easily find some working hardware of their own and put the board together.
Networking, IO control and a few other board types are no problem, you can often use ordinary PC parts and "just" write a driver for them. There is an excellent chance that once a few drivers are written you'll be able to buy a suitable card from a local store or on the web.
OTOH SCSI and Video are a huge problem. More than 90% of the hardware from these categories that people already own, or which can be obtained cheaply from stores is not compatible with a PPC system. In a lot of cases this means that not only do you need to write drivers, but you also need new Firmware. If the Mac lobby can't get firmware then 1000 Amigans aren't going to make a difference.
So - it makes sense to actually sell a complete system that works and can be expanded, rather than seeing your first week's feedback consist entirely of "Why the **** doesn't any of my hardware work with this board?"
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 31 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 14-Aug-2002 13:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Seehund):
They very well could be doing the testing in stages ... But thats going to take a while , lets say they have 5 commmon graphics chipsets , 2 or 3 sound chipsets , a couple different I/O cards and then all then different brands of CD(r) / DVD(r) drives , harddrives etc ... thats alot of hardware to get thru , a better idea would to have sold those 15 people 1 of 3 machines ( similar spec and price so that an average of 5 of each spec are sold ) so you test at least a small range of hardware at a time .. Serial numbers containing a spec code could be used to tell which sort of machine a person had ... They could even mix up the PCI cards inside to *test* that the pci aspect is working .
There again there probaly is no testing plan , or even an idea of whats going on .. Its just a way of fueling the mos camp so they can scream even louder "pegasos is out , amigaOne doesn't exist blah blah"
even tho i don't like the horses mouth *so to speak* alot i would rather hear the technical details come from them and not one of the *partners* .. And maybe they should have annouced beta testing , the testing scheme and plan and the reporting methods as they are the ones that are going to fix problems.
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 32 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 14-Aug-2002 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Seehund):
Why? They only support certain hardware, BPlan is following more of an Apple model then a Microsoft model of distribution, End user OS companies do not make money, hardware sales via the OS is where money is to be made. Microsoft is the only company that can make money via the OS (however they have effectively tied their OS to the hardware with their OEM arrangements excluding competitors), Bplan is no different then Hyperion in this reguard, they both going to tie the OS to hardware to maximize revenue.
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 33 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 14-Aug-2002 14:07 GMT
@Corpse,Seehund
Depends on your testing purpose. If you are testing to ensure that at least one configuration works ( different drivers are not the focus )
then the testing is going to concentrate on the semantics of the operating system - which is the
first place you want the bugs out.
A sensible test manager will start single component and once a threshold of confidence
has been achieved IF the product has multiple devices and different configurations
The probability that the testing paths taken by two different users with the same end
objectives are the same tends to zero on a multi-threaded kernel quickly, even faster
with a UI being the main driver of I/O ( instead of API ).
I suspect the testing objective IS to ensure that the remaining bugs in the OS
are taken out as quickly as possible. To do this you have to expose the OS to
different user, application developer and tinkerer personalities.
There would be a secondary motive of reducing support costs ( boohoo my ATI radeon
doesnt work .... ) until the host of the beta is ready.
I think they are being very sensible, its a good testing strategy. Microsoft has
to adopt a different strategy because there already are a myriad of different
existing configurations out there for their GPOS software - more than they can
afford to simulate in house.
PS: I probably know as much, if not more as you do about testing Corpse ;-)
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 34 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 14-Aug-2002 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Jon):
1000km or so... but not by my car!
(perhaps we'll see those machines also at Oulu in the Saku meeting... (perhaps too wishfull thinking...))
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 35 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 14-Aug-2002 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Don Cox):
> And pronounced Yottabrrr IIRC. ;-)
Hey, that's pretty close to a genuine Göteborgian accent! :)
Yö- (the vowel "ö" sounds like the e in "germ") -te-borrj ("orr" like in "lorry", a soft "j" like the initial "yer-").
Or just say borkborkborkbork, all Swedish words sound like that, right? Somebody's bound to know what you mean. ;)
That concludes today's Swedish lesson.
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 36 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 14-Aug-2002 14:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (DaveW):
I was trying to hint at something like that (and failed). :)
Yeah, you can't get that much stuff tested simultaneously with just 15 testers.
If one guy has a GeForce 2, two guys have Radeon 8500s and 12 have Radeon 9000s
you get more stuff tested but a lower quality of testing. Multiply these different
configurations with all other kinds of hardware and you'll be lucky to end up with
two people with the same system.
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 37 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 14-Aug-2002 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Seehund):
>> Also the new Amiga computer will be shown first time in scandinavia...
>Nope, only the AmigaOne and Pegasos motherboards.
>Wake up from the 1980s, there will be no more Amiga computers, thank heavens.
You sound like Amiga purist and Amiga atheist at the same time... weird.
>Just (licensed...) hardware from third parties. Just like Amiga Inc says, if
>you don't believe what others say.
Wake up from the 1980s Seehund.
Already in early nineties it was known that the legacy HW must be abandoned. This is a wholly new century, working with third parties is the way to go in every major IT firm, so why not even on the smaller ones.
AmigaOne is a Amiga computer, wether you like it or not (the fact that it runs AmigaOS natively is a very very nice extra).
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 38 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 14-Aug-2002 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Seehund):
But if mos are limiting the pegasos to a set of hardware isn't that just as bad as amiga limiting ( not really , all you have to do is *ask* ) os4 to the amigaOne ?
Many of the MOS/Pegasos followers are also for X86 because of cheap speed and choice .. But isn't mos then limiting their *choice* by saying we're going to test this graphics card .. this sound , this CD-ROM / Harddrive brand and thats your lot , it kinda takes away the point of having PCi slots in the first place.
Also on the point about getting enough of each spec to find / solve bugs etc .. this should be covered in the testing scheme / plan .. After all Bplan are aiming for OEM markets etc so you must support a wide range of situations and therefor a large range of hardware.
My point being ... This is nice hype , but not very well thought out just like the original press release , stinks of un-professionalism .. And anyways who pays to be a beta tester ? thats like the electric company paying me to leave my lights on. Beta testing is *hassle* , and the golden rule is you only pay for what IS yours e.g. you can sell it on to anyone YOU like.
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 39 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Raquel and Bill on 14-Aug-2002 15:24 GMT
Well, we have to respond to a couple of things on this thread quickly since it seems so popular and it has so many thoughtful exchanges. If what we posted on MorphOS-News does not appear by tomorrow morning we will post it here on ANN. It would address directly and indirectly some of the issues mentioned....
First, thanks to Gunne for stepping up and supporting the Pegasos. We will support his event as we did the Slach Party and as we will all the other coming events in September.
Second, the Betatester program actually involves more than 15 machines and the configurations are quite varied. We release more machines daily. Two were picked up in Paris yesterday and two more were shipped today. Tomorrow another one will be sent (maybe more, but this is what we know of now at the end of the day). This is a daily, small, and step by step process. Each buyer is screened. Certainly, there are many who do not like the idea of paying for a machine/board to be a Betatester, but there are are steady stream of those who do. Frankly, these are the people we are interested in right now. Can you blame us?
Finally, for now we will tell you that most Amiga applications we have tested are working and Linux (in any flavor) works great. Mac on Linux also runs without a hitch.
We are happy with the way things are going.
Best regards,
Raquel and Bill
P.S. No more posts from us until tomorrow!
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 40 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 14-Aug-2002 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Raquel and Bill):
Thankyou Bill for clearing my fears about the whole MOS beta test .
Varied hardwareGood for testing.
/me doens't really like MorphOS , BPlan etc .. But if people still think it has got something to do with *amiga* it better work , as sh*t sticks.
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 41 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 14-Aug-2002 16:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Raquel and Bill):
If I go to the Gothemburgh event, will I be able to buy a Pegasos "Betatester" there and then, and take it with me home? Or is this handled via e-mail, or how do I buy a "Betatester" system? I am very interested in this!
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 42 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 14-Aug-2002 20:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (takemehomegrandma):
Just sent him an email asking to be beta tester with a quick note on your projects. You may want to reserve your board instead of going to the show and find out they are already all gone.
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 43 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 15-Aug-2002 05:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (priest):
>>Wake up from the 1980s, there will be no more Amiga computers, thank heavens.
> You sound like Amiga purist and Amiga atheist at the same time... weird.
Huh? Ah, I don't fit in any of your predefined categories. Good. :)
The Amiga series of home computers is commercially dead. DEAD! Get over it. Our
Amigas won't stop working just because of that. While superior when they were
released, the inability of Commodore and whoever else owned it to keep up with
the times and development of the hardware competition helped kill it, and with
AmigaOS locked down to this custom proprietary hardware it almost killed
AmigaOS as well.
>>Just (licensed...) hardware from third parties. Just like Amiga Inc says, if
>>you don't believe what others say.
> Wake up from the 1980s Seehund.
> Already in early nineties it was known that the legacy HW must be abandoned.
> This is a wholly new century, working with third parties is the way to go in
> every major IT firm, so why not even on the smaller ones.
Good, we agree. That is EXACTLY WHAT I WROTE, damn it! There will be no more
Amigas, only AmigaOS, and AmigaOS will run on thirs party hardware that has
nothing to do with anything "Amiga". It's just hardware. A commodity.
But there's no need to "work with third parties" in the sence of requiring them
to get a license to have your OS run on their hardware. Just make your OS run
on it if it's possible, then sell your OS.
> AmigaOne is a Amiga computer,
No, it's a trademark that licensees can use for their Pieces Of Hardware(TM),
the design, conception and manufacturing of any hardware has and should have
nothing to do with anything "Amiga". The last thing we need is AmigaOS once
again being locked to one piece of specific hardware. It's just too damn bad
that the compulsory licencing lunacy is counteracting against that advantage.
Yes, a distributor of that specific piece of hardware has licensed an
"AmigaOne" trademark for it. So what? That just means the distributor feels
that this is a marketing advantage and that he will sell the boards he buys to
the AmigaOS market.
If someone would license the distribution of a PowerMac, an IBM server, a
Pegasos, a TeronCX or WHATEVER, and AmigaOS was made to run on these, would that make this hardware into "Amigas"? No. There will be no more Amigas, be
happy!
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 44 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 15-Aug-2002 06:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Seehund):
I think AInc hope that:
It will be that an Amiga is any bit of hardware capable of running AmigaOS without error
at satisfactory speeds that has a license. By adhering to the license there is an emphasis
on credible suppliers with after sales support so the word Amiga could become synonymous with
quality.
Without brand control and certification they could not achieve that unless all development
and system assembly was in house ( a la C= and Apple ) which they clearly cannot afford.
Its not open source to random PPC board manufacturer X cannot just hack AmigaOS so
it runs on their hardware and sell an Amiga ( fair enough ). Because the license at the
moment costs no money ( it might in the future if the branding and OS becomes popular )
its an ideal time for someone to get on board who is confident that their PPC hardware
will be able to run AmigaOS trouble free.
Sure AInc might make money out of licensing in the future and Hyperion as the official
port to new platforms development house but I think thats all fair and reasonable.
And, if you sell a branded Amiga the fact that it boots AmigaOS by default and ships
probably only with AmigaOS is very sensible. Optional extras like Linux and MorphOS could
be bought off the shelf.
Because person X bought random PPC board rather than a branded Amiga the fact that they
cannot run AmigaOS on it causes me no heartache whatsoever, it might be in the future
that there are aftermarket upgrade schemes but thats for the brand holder - Amiga Inc
- to decide.
Fact is if someone wants to run just MorphOS or LinuxOS then they arent going to buy
an Amiga branded board.
If they want to run AmigaOS later they will buy an Amiga branded board.
Whats the beef?
Only the competition that thought they could sell AmigaOS compatible machines that
booted with their own OS first ( was also compulsary ) get shafted and really that is no
big deal.
Its companies playing hardball with each other, nothing to get upset about. I dont
think Amiga Inc is artificially limiting the potential uptake of AmigaOS in this iteration
at all. I really dont see that vast myriads of free software bigots that *might* invest
in PPC hardware that *isnt* AmigaOS enabled suddenly swallowing their principles overnight
and wanting to later on install a non free OS. This argument doesnt wash at all.
The only argument that has any credibility is any competition that wanted to sell
their own competitive OS under the "Amiga" brand - using the "startup real-estate" ( that
Microsoft is so fond of ) mechanism.
Dave.
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 45 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 15-Aug-2002 08:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (DaveW):
> Fact is if someone wants to run just MorphOS or LinuxOS then they arent going
> to buy an Amiga branded board.
Of course not. There are no Amiga branded boards around that can match the competition! The Pegasos is superior to the A1 in every aspect, except that it has one less PCI slot.
> If they want to run AmigaOS later they will buy an Amiga branded board.
If they want to run AmigaOS later on, they *will have to* buy a big and bulky motherboard, with less features than the Pegasos, possibly to a higher price (although that remains to be seen), not because AmigaOS benefits from that particular hardware in any way, but because the AmigaOS is *artaficially tied* to that hardware.
Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 : Comment 46 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 15-Aug-2002 08:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (takemehomegrandma):
LOL! :-))
At the moment it looks like they will have to buy either an SE, an XE or a PowerUP card. In the future
maybe SharkPPC ( thats all gone quiet! ).
If the potential Pegasos market puts sufficient pressure on resellers for Pegasos A1 then
Im sure the reseller, if they see a profit will go through certification and be authorised
to resell Pegasos with AOS4.
Who that reseller should be *shrug*.
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