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Posted on 14-Aug-2002 18:22 GMT by takemehomegrandma96 comments
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This post comes from: http://www.morphos-news.de/?lg=en&nid=57&si=1.

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Wow!

Yesterday, Apple doubled the number of CPUs on their products -- but the price remains the same -- dual 1Ghz G4s for $1699. Unbelievable!

For Raquel and I this means one thing (beyond Apple has finally and completely fallen for the obvious clock speed, etc. numbers game):

Alternative (as in A-Expo, 7-8 September) operating systems have become important -- very important!

This makes us really feel that our approach to *eventually* sell Pegasos main boards as they are is RIGHT ON TARGET. Apple will certainly not do this! Linux or MorphOS interested people want to do what they want to do. Terra Soft has been getting a good initial response to sell YDL pre-installed on iMacs (http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/news/ 2002-08-08.shtml) and you will see the Pegasos on sale there soon. Our flexibility to upgrade to a G4 or dual CPUs, or even multiple boards makes us unique and gives us a competitive advantage over anything else we know about -- including Apple when sold as a main board itself (especially with their overhead!).

Here is what we are doing:

1. We are selling fully configured machines to Betatesters. Things are going well!
2. We will sell a few main boards to highly qualified users who are willing to get other non-standard configurations to work. This will be done on a case by case basis (email us at bbrv@thendic-france.com).
3. We will keep our amiga-oriented market interested over the next month with messages on Morphos-News. We want people using the machines and Team Betatester is all about that. We will show as MANY applications running as possible at the A-Expo, 7-8 September. Later this week we will post a gallery of pictures from last weekend. It was a successful event for us.
4. We are also planning the Frankfurt conference/show for 14 September: BETATESTER I.

When we are ready (which may be sooner than December), we will:

1. Sell main boards worldwide directly or through resellers at one price. Qualified resellers will be discounted from that price.
2. Sell a single or double CPU upgrade package. We can beat the iMac G4 prices easily. We may develop a discount plan when a G3 is returned in good condition (we in turn can donate computers with "used" processors to programs to help disadvantaged children learn about computers or programs like that...your ideas are welcome here!).

Our target markets:

1. Linux users
2. Amiga application users
Later...
3. Mac users with the Thendic smart card reader together with MorphOS on a CD with applications that run with special smart card features, such as, a "secret weapon" for an online game, Pegasos Points to spend at the online store to buy peripherals (DataPlay, ComCam, etc.), and naturally secure communications with our host...etc.. The application is what is promoted. MorphOS is there on the CD to make it happen. Smart cards make us unique and add plenty of interesting and exciting functionality (we will have an smart card SDK for our developers).

Keep your eyes on MorphOS-News...we will keep you posted.

Sincerely,

Raquel and Bill

Pegasos news : Comment 51 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Aug-2002 07:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 ([JC]):
"Admittedly a lot of cards (except for nvidia's newer cards perhaps) don't really make full use of AGP 2X let alone 4X, but that still shows poor hardware design."
I recall when AGP was first released that one of the main benefits of AGP was:
Direct execution of texture maps from system memory.
High-speed direct access to system memory by the graphics controller, rather than forcing it to pre-load the texture data into local video memory.
(-as stated on Intel's web site-)
However, since video memory has traditionaly been faster than system memory, video card manufacturers continue to come up with some unbelievable hardware designs (eg ATi 9700). Just because they don't really take advantage of AGP x4 or x8 doesn't mean that your missing out in performance.
Pegasos news : Comment 52 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by Bill on 16-Aug-2002 08:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (DaveW):
@Dave
Yes, you are right on all counts. Thanks for your contributions to this thread.
@rest
We are trying to promote MorphOS, the Pegasos, and a path toward the future...not ourselves. Thanks for all the positive emails!
Best wishes,
Bill
Pegasos news : Comment 53 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-Aug-2002 09:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Bill):
LOL!!!!
Youre going to have to do better than that :)
Pegasos news : Comment 54 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 16-Aug-2002 09:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (takemehomegrandma):
TMHG typed:
> Well, this is the same for *any* other platform than x86. The only
> reason I can think of is that perhaps you like the features of the
> PPC, and appriciate those more than in the x86 architecture? RISC,
> Altivitec (does Linux make use of that in any way?), etc ...
If you into the environment and conservation and such things, the PPC systems are more efficient in power consumption than these big, grunting X86 systems. What Pegasos/MorphOS aim to do is make efficient use of hardware resources, to solve questions of speed and function through efficiency and "leanness" rather than the brute-force scheme of "my X86 has more fans and mHz than anything else."
I personally am also hoping that package deals will offer the nicer LCD flat panel monitors, maybe even start off with a 17" monitor, which consumes less power than even a tiny CRT Cathode Ray Tube monitor.
Pegasos news : Comment 55 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 16-Aug-2002 09:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (cOrpse):
DO NOT CONFUSE SHARING IRQ'S AND SHARING BUS.
Of COURSE some slots share BUS in a PCI system. There's only ever a couple of busses, you know.
A 66MHZ PCI card and an AGP card sharing BUS without sharing IRQ doesn't mean poor performance. It depends on what you have in those two slots.
If you want to transfer data directly between the gfx-card and a seperate card, having the other card share bus with the agp would probably give higher speed than having it on the same bus as the network, disk and sound cards. Especially if it's a lot of data.
Maybe I should design me an SDI card for PCI with bus-mastering and DMA directly to gfx memory just to prove it's better to have it on the AGP bus than the other bus.
Hmm, wonder if there are any such cards on the market?
Pegasos news : Comment 56 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 16-Aug-2002 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Bill):
"@rest
We are trying to promote MorphOS, the Pegasos, and a path toward the future...not ourselves. Thanks for all the positive emails!
Best wishes,
Bill"
I think its more your trying to take over *amiga* again , Problem is your attitude towards the majority of the amiga community ( amiga OS supporters , you know people that use amiga's not macs like yourself ) is not nice to say the least.
Pegasos news : Comment 57 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Aug-2002 11:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (DaveW):
No, it's because you are a cowboy, shooting rapidly from your hip, and then quickly reloads to shoot again! You know, the winchester rifle was kind of re-vo-lu-tion-ary back in it's time!
;-)
(Weekend, here I come! :-D )
Pegasos news : Comment 58 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Aug-2002 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (cOrpse):
And YOUR problem is that you always think you are speaking for the majority of the community. I'm not sure, but I don't think that is the case, so could you please be a little more humble? BTW, have a nice weekend!
Pegasos news : Comment 59 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-Aug-2002 12:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (takemehomegrandma):
LOL! :-)))
Nah I reckon its because I spin rapidly and store information, like the Winchester Disk Drive
( the first hard drive? ).
I prefer the cowboy analogy better.
Pegasos news : Comment 60 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 16-Aug-2002 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (takemehomegrandma):
"And YOUR problem is that you always think you are speaking for the majority of the community."
Sorry , its just i get this impression from the fact that 90% of the amiga people i've seen / spoken too etc are going OS4 ... And alot of those interested in amiga stuff from the abandonware / beta channels i've been in are also considering amiga One's and os4.
"I'm not sure, but I don't think that is the case, so could you please be a little more humble? BTW, have a nice weekend!"
Humble , never ;) ... Nice weekend , of course , i always have nice weekends .. Maybe its the disco lights , excessive amounts of larger or the fine women but they usually turn out great and then getting home at 2 am and post drunken on message boards or send weird e-mails to the people i was drinking with just moments ago. Thats if i'm not *busy* of course.
You have a good one too , but watch out ; theres some dodgy blue pills going around , messes you right up ! beware :P
Pegasos news : Comment 61 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by Bill on 16-Aug-2002 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (DaveW):
@DaveW
Send us an email and we can take this offline like we did with Darrin. That is a much better thing to do than spewing all the great things you have to say here...
And, that goes for anyone else that is really interested in constructive dialogue.
Thanks,
Bill
Pegasos news : Comment 62 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Aug-2002 16:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Bill):
>Send us an email and we can take this offline like we did with Darrin.
What is this? You promise everyone a $50 coupon in private when they
agree to shut up on this messageboard? *LOL*
Pegasos news : Comment 63 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-Aug-2002 16:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Bill):
No thanks, I dont converse offline with people who try to set the
scene for "reconcilation" by using the words spewing and further
thinly veiled insults. Anything you have to say to me you can say
in public.
I would have expected a more constructive tone from business people
fronting a respectable business.
If you are going to promote your business do so through
paid advertising. It is hardly a good "advert" the approach you take
of reacting to any criticism in such an un-even handed way with such
obvious usenet veteran tactics.
I would recommend that we just go our seperate ways because Im not
the kind of person to take the stuff you like to dole out lying down.
Contrast your responses with sensible people like Alkis, Seehund and
takemehomegrandma. You obviously did not notice where I called myself
an idiot for not following the link to see that it was an Open Letter.
"When representing a business, maintain your sense of equilibrium and
humour at all times."
For my part, I will applaud when you deliver production equipment to
the waiting market but I will ignore everything else you say or do in
n public including press releases, marketing, open letters, personal
attacks, thinly veiled insults, posts from inebriated "employees" and
products. I will not attempt to sway others in any way or comment on
your reputation.
In return, just leave me alone and try to represent an excellent
product with PR that does it justice.
Pegasos news : Comment 64 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 16-Aug-2002 20:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Timothy De Groote):
OS4 heavily based on 3.9 ??
What kind of a bullshit talk is that ? It is taking so long because it is >>exactly the opposite !
>>OS4 has a new kernel, new Filesystem, new TCP/IP stack, new Movieplayer, lots of enhanchements and you call it based on 3.9 ? 3.9 is based on OS4.
>>Gz: you know NOTHING about OS4, absolutely nothing, you *think*
Oh for crying out loud... And you call me a hothead...
First of all I have NEVER said I know os4 any better than what has been released about it to the public! which is exactly why I said it was derived from os3.9. That has been said on numerous occasions by AI and by hyperion. If you read my post carefully, you will not find a single sentence claiming os4 wouldn't have lots of new and more functional parts as opposed to 3.9.
My point was not to take any credit from os4 or from Thomas F for whom I have plenty of respects to for what he is doing, nor was I trying to make os4 seem just a rehash of 3.9. Altough if you read the original post with a certain kind of attitude you can get the kind of impression you did.
Im very much waiting for os4 so I can buy it for my miggy aswell as Im waiting for a pegasos too.
I know it was my turn being harsh in my reply to you, but it just pisses me off right away when I just write a few words as a reply to some other dude where he asks questions and a moment later I get nearly attacked by someone not agreeing with the way he has perseived the content of the post. Not to mention getting accused of something (almost like I had claimed knowing something better than has been released on news forums) without ever at least intentionally wanting to incline so.
Pegasos news : Comment 65 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by .john on 16-Aug-2002 21:25 GMT
I was waiting to get my hands on a Pegasos for since it has been first announced.
Now I will spend my money on something else. Here are my reasons:
a) It 'won't run AmigaOS due to the problems both companies have with each other.
Still, I said to myself: For a project I plan a uATX dual G4 system would be
great. I could run Linux on it and have a powerful platform that is coolable
by heatsinks only, perfect for what I wanted.
b) The day Pegasos is in the stores I can get a P4@2.3GHz uATX system with 533MHz FSB,
DDR-RAM and it will be faster than the dual G4. Yes, I know, now the PPC front,
that I'd like to belong to as well, will raise a finger and tell me: clockspeed
is not all, but heck, what do I care, it is enough to look at some real-world
applications, how they performed on a Mac and how they performed on dual-Athlon
or P4....dual G4 is WAAAAAAHY behind.
So, I will get a P4 with the mentioned specs and still pay less than for a Pegasos
with G3 !
If it would run AmigaOS however....
.john
Pegasos news : Comment 66 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 16-Aug-2002 21:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (.john):
>>Yes, I know, now the PPC front,
that I'd like to belong to as well, will raise a finger and tell me: clockspeed
is not all
Half of those ppl are probably the same ones who still claim their a1200's are almost as good as a new pc because "clock speed is not all" when in fact they are just afraid to admit themselves that their precious machine is infact inferior.
The altivec units and ppc instruction sets do have an edge for extra speed, but how many REAL world applications take advantage of the altivec??? It's very likely that things will remain the same as they are now for a very long time and as such it's not much of a comfort telling yourself that "who needs mhz's when there's always vector units" There are other pro ppc reasons aswell in addition for the altivec, but are they enough? For some they are programming wise etc. and for some they aren't. One thing remains the same though... There will always be people who hang on in a niche because their self esteem is depending on it and as such will close their eyes and brutalize everything that comes across their obsession.
Don't get me wrong, I like g4's but I too am not convinced you can compare a g4 to a p4 or newest amd's (at least not without taking advantage of altivec)
Pegasos news : Comment 67 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by Raquel and Bill on 17-Aug-2002 09:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (DaveW):
@Dave
Ok, here goes…
I think Post #48 is “spewing.” You made a highly personal attack and then you come off in Post #63 in a very self-righteous manner. I offered you an invitation to take offline what from your side you made personal first. Darrin and I did the same thing and if you read all the thread you will see there was more than an indication of reconciliation.
As you have indicated you are such a “person” that does not take “stuff” “lying down,” then you should have no problem with this – so then what is the problem? Post all your disagreement here; post all your opinions. We are not afraid to answer them point-by-point. Then we can let the thread decide. We have a desire and a responsibility to promote our products and a vision for them. Did we do something wrong to you? Perhaps, when you are fully informed you might even have another opinion on some of the issues.
We answer to posts in kind. We think there needs to be accountability here if the thread and the information shared are useful to others. Isn’t that the idea? I personally have a big problem with some of the things that cOrpse has to say, but he and I trade email regularly when we take exception to each other’s comments. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Our interest is in having everyone understand all the available information to form his or her opinions fully. Doing so with less is counterproductive to the subject/objective of the thread.
Why don’t you carefully read all the posts that you judge to be so inappropriate. “Dig up” anything you want. Post it here -- get everything on the table.
Alternatively, when were in the UK for the next Pegasos presentation why don’t you come? Talk to us eye to eye. I am sure you will find we are quite different from what you think we are like. You comment about Jason Compton on the other thread clues us in on how much you really know and how much speculation you rely on.
Finally (to more than just DaveW), we are not trying to leverage the “Amiga” brand at all. We have absolutely no interest in the brand “Amiga.” We are however very interested in many applications that have been developed for the amiga environment. Amiga Inc. does not own them and neither do they own the developers that wrote them or even the broader community. Amiga is a “spirit” of use with a hands-on technical mentality that appeals to us. We are looking foe people to help us make the Pegasos and later the eclipsis successful products. That is why we are here and believe me it has been a very successful recruiting tool for us.
@john
If AmigaOS4.0 is fully finished and running natively on a PPC we will be happy for Hyperion and Amiga Inc. Undoubtedly, in this community there will be more than one person who will copy a legally obtained copy of the operating system onto the Pegasos. How will Amiga Inc. stop this? We cannot control this and neither can they. If AmigaOS4.0 becomes what it is claimed to be – great! We will sell a few more Pegasos machines. Thanks Hyperion! We wish them our best. We have absolutely nothing against this effort.
@all
Please check out www.morphos-news for our latest post there in the associated comments section for a discussion on the G3 vs. G4 issues (I think it is Post #8). Even very code intensive fast twitch games are running fine on the G3 Pegasos. This is an adequate machine for 99% of the market. The G4 is a great thing, but do not be deceived by clock speed. The G3s are also fine. For example, there is NOTHING in the Linux GUI that takes advantage of AltiVec. The speed of the Motorola G4s is nice, but AltiVec does nothing unless you are running Mac OS X (which is written for AltiVec) or single precision, 32-bit HPC code.
And…
About smart cards from an email we received: “I can’t wait to have a smart card to take last night to tomorrow on Dungeon Siege.” You are right! We might add WarCraft III or Neverwinter Nights. It could make things pretty interesting. Plus, we see a cross language and cross cultural opportunity here that could promote more than just vanquishing the dark side.
Best regards and adios from beautiful Espana,
Raquel and Bill
Pegasos news : Comment 68 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous coward on 17-Aug-2002 12:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Raquel and Bill):
>Undoubtedly, in this community there will be more than one person who will
>copy a legally obtained copy of the operating system onto the Pegasos.
Even if so, it still won't run.
>How will Amiga Inc. stop this?
Then what is their dongle-code good for?
>The speed of the Motorola G4s is nice, but AltiVec does nothing unless you
>are running Mac OS X (which is written for AltiVec)
Altivec is the current "joker" of PPC. Not even MorphOS' OpenGL (or whatever
they use) can make use of it? It's fine for videoplayback, MP3 encoding etc.
I hear Motionstudio runs best with at least G4-500...
Well, the TeronPX is available with 750FX cpu, what is your move to counter
this thread? The Pegasos cpu slot concept should make it possible to always
have the latest and best cpus available for the system - in theory.
>We might add WarCraft III or Neverwinter Nights. It could make things pretty
>interesting.
For MorphOS?
Pegasos news : Comment 69 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 17-Aug-2002 12:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (cOrpse):
You don't get IRQ nightmares with properly designed PCI cards and motherboards, which share IRQ's correctly. I've never ever had an IRQ conflict problem in any of my systems (when dealing solely with PCI devices of course), and I've had some pretty shit motherboards.
Furthermore, although it is true that on most PC motherboards PCI slot 1 and AGP share IRQ lines, this does NOT cause the AGP to be crippled in any way as with the Artica S. Are there any other PPC Northbridge solutions available ?
Pegasos news : Comment 70 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 17-Aug-2002 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Raquel and Bill):
Sounds like a conspiracy to me , lets all hide under cardboard boxes 'till it blows over.
- cOrpse -- "Words can't define what I feel inside , Who needs them?"
Pegasos news : Comment 71 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 17-Aug-2002 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 ([JC]):
I don't get IRQ sharing problems with my Abit BE6 IIv2 and didn't have any with my BH6 perviously ( it didn't supply enough power thru the AGP to get my Voodoo 3 3500 going right away and took 15 mins to start booting up .. so i *got rid* of that ;) ) , My brother with his ASUS board gets them as soon as he plugs in his PCTV Rave card , he does alot of capturing with it so it has to be set-up perfectly so it doesn't drop frames but its an arsehole bit of hardware with an arsehole operating system ; windows 2k pro.
A good thing to come out of this tho is that he can't get his soundblaster live to work with it all ( it all goes nuts and goes on IRQ 9 or something lol ) so i might be able to *borrow* it for the amiga when i find a mediator :D
Pegasos news : Comment 72 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by doc on 17-Aug-2002 18:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Raquel and Bill):
> Finally (to more than just DaveW), we are not trying to leverage the “Amiga” > brand at all. We have absolutely no interest in the brand “Amiga.”
Ok, then why your company is paying for a sponsored link to pegasos pages when searching for AmigaOne on Google? How it compares to your words regarding leveraging Amiga brand ? If that is your way of showing 'absolutely no interest' then telling us about smart reader means (using your tactics) we should expect something completely different... Maybe electronically controlled can opener ? :))
Pegasos news : Comment 73 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by Contrastor on 17-Aug-2002 18:55 GMT
Bill, probably you should stop writing comments and get back to work. We want the Pegasos, no more announcements and comments.
Pegasos news : Comment 74 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 17-Aug-2002 19:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (cOrpse):
> My brother with his ASUS board gets them as soon as he plugs in his
> PCTV Rave card
I've heard numerous bad things about PCTV cards. See my comment regarding SB Lives below as well
> its an arsehole bit of hardware with an arsehole operating system ;
> windows 2k pro.
Never had any problems with Win2K to be honest. Although by default, if your bios says it can do ACPI and then makes an arse job of it, Win2K will be erratic too (this can be solved by changing the HAL back to Standard PC, but you lose power management features). I had an old K6-2 motherboard that was like that.
> he can't get his soundblaster live to work with it all
1) Has he updated the BIOS ? That helped my SB Live! a lot.
2) This is most likely a chipset issue
3) The SB Live! is a perfect example of a badly implemented PCI device. I got fed up of mine skipping, crackling, and occasionally locking up hard, so I bought a Turtlebeach Santa Cruz. No lockups or crap anymore, and far better sound quality. The Audigy is just as wank as the Live, btw.
(side note, its worth whoever does Amiga PCI audio drivers looking into supporting this card as it's not too expensive and Cirrus Logic, who make the DSP used on the board, have a full technical PDF for download)
Pegasos news : Comment 75 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 17-Aug-2002 19:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (doc):
"Ok, then why your company is paying for a sponsored link to pegasos pages when searching for AmigaOne on Google? How it compares to your words regarding leveraging Amiga brand ? If that is your way of showing 'absolutely no interest' then telling us about smart reader means (using your tactics) we should expect something completely different... Maybe electronically controlled can opener ? :))"
I never checked the Google search for AmigaOne but I find it quite funny (and harmless) that they bought the ad there, kinda like when Commodore put the CD32 ads right outside SEGA's HQ ("To be this good will take Sega ages" And a pic of the CD32) .. That was actually nice marketing from Commodore!!!
Back to this thread!
Instead of paying Google, may I suggest that you (Thendic) buys a banner ad here on ANN. After all you are using this site heavily to promote your business, this is where you are currently running your biggest advertising campaign, ever.
(I suggested Bill this in an email, and he said he would consider that!)
Pegasos news : Comment 76 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 17-Aug-2002 19:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Contrastor):
Do we ? I wanted to get terribly drunk but i was helping someone out and missed my mates :\ ..
I'm more likely to MediatorSX and Shark right now .. I'm too skint to buy a £400 Motherboard and then fill it with cards. Emailed Elbox about UDMA 100 / PCI SCSI and they said its on the shark+ and there will be support for PCI UDMA cards with the shark also :)
Pegasos news : Comment 77 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 17-Aug-2002 19:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Troels E):
I liked the postcard Sega sent to sony :).. The the amigaone link is on the border really , but then theres using Ben hermans and bill mcewens names in the same way , i think thats pretty tasteless.
Its all getting a little childish i think :\ maybe Bill should stop using Apple mail , i've heard it has serious effects on ones mind and well being .. Try YAM ;)
Pegasos news : Comment 78 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 18-Aug-2002 08:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Raquel and Bill):
Your record on ANN speaks for itself!
Whilst I am just a forum user you are supposed to be representing
a business. It is my opinion that you follow up to anything you cannot
answer factually with a highly personal attack - witness Darrin as a
good example? Sure you might feel that I am being provocative towards
you but as a /business/ you need to handle that. You dont.
Don't try and occupy the moral highground, you lost that quite a while
back with the incidents with Fleecy and Darrin as well as with your
offensive "reconcilation" email.
Why dont you try and take the tactic of being extra polite - that
would then have the effect of making anything I or anyone else sayes
that is provocative or a tease or whatever right out of place!
Too much to expect, clearly.
Pegasos news : Comment 79 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by .john on 18-Aug-2002 08:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Raquel and Bill):
@bill:
@john
If AmigaOS4.0 is fully finished and running natively on a PPC we will be
happy for Hyperion and Amiga Inc. Undoubtedly, in this community there
will be more than one person who will copy a legally obtained copy of
the operating system onto the Pegasos. How will Amiga Inc. stop this? We
cannot control this and neither can they. If AmigaOS4.0 becomes what it
is claimed to be - great! We will sell a few more Pegasos machines.
Thanks Hyperion! We wish them our best. We have absolutely nothing
against this effort.
Oh, bummer. This is not a professional solution, YOU as a proffesional
should be able to advertise. To advertise the Pegasos with :
"Theoretically you might be able to run pirtated copies of OS4 on it."
is very poor attitude (for a professional). Of course, I might have
misunderstood you completly.
@all
Please check out www.morphos-news for our latest post there in the
associated comments section for a discussion on the G3 vs. G4 issues (I
think it is Post #8). Even very code intensive fast twitch games are
running fine on the G3 Pegasos. This is an adequate machine for 990f the
market. The G4 is a great thing, but do not be deceived by clock speed.
The G3s are also fine. For example, there is NOTHING in the Linux GUI
that takes advantage of AltiVec. The speed of the Motorola G4s is nice,
but AltiVec does nothing unless you are running Mac OS X (which is
written for AltiVec) or single precision, 32-bit HPC code.
Already the G3 is a very poor performer these days. I am not interested
in games at all...I play my games in Windows with a fast PC.
I am talking about those things which are 'in' right now and give a lot
of fun: DivX5 encoding. Video-Effects with realtime-preview. Digital8
cams are cheap these days. So are Firewire cards. If you think I can go
anywhere with a single G3/0.6GHz please tell me. I am not talking about
family-album-style or 320x280 reso here. I am talking about semi-prof,
high-level-amateur. Same goes for any rendering. There is never enough
power for these tasks.
Check this out:
Rumors (?) hit the street, Apple might go x86 within the next years.
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1393
Facts get reported, that the latest Apple machines are *slower* than the
last generation. Yes, I am talking about those new beasts with DDR-RAM.
I know it is not the CPU, in that case, but some misconception over at
Apple. But they should have known this. Why did it happen ? Not good for
PPC platform.
Then, there has been some SPEC results reported on OSNews.com,
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=769
which were taken at over at
Heise.de:
http://www.heise.de/ct/english/02/05/182/
Dual G4 gets beaten completly by dual Athlon and single P4 in one of
Apples most important markets: digital video editing.
Story link: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1401
Direct link: http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/07_jul/features/cw_macvspc2.htm
While it might well be, that clockspeeds are not all these x86 CPUs have
new architectures as well. Maybe no Altivec (something as you said
rarely used, but well pointedly used in Linux audio- and video-projects
as well as by major companies, developing professional software) support
on x86 but other features, the PPC does not have.
So all in all I do not care, if there is no compiler available, that
utilizes G4 to its full potential.
I also do not care, that some of these benchmarks might have happened by
using code, that was well optimized for x86 but not for G4.
Why should I ? I pay the price. And I certainly will not pay the price
for a Pegasos just in order to run an illegal copy of AmigaOS4.x. If I
could consider the Pegasos an official Amiga licensee, this would be
another story. So I will look out for other options, maybe Shark, but I
have to see how well this one performs and if, yes, if it will be
possible to put that PCI card into a PC. Otherwise no AmigaOS4 for me.
Heck, maybe one day, if someone wrote an emulator for a dual G4 on a
P4/3.2GHz, or such, lol.
And for Linux it is better to go x86 anyway. Just in order to run some
code, that is proprietary and not available as source. This usually is
x86 native, isn't it ?!
So, all in all I might buy a Pegasos with a single G3/600MHz, that only
runs MorphOS software or plain, straight Linux ports. I pay approx. EUR
600 while for less than this money I will get a P4/2.33GHz and a mobo
with DDR-RAM support and 533MHz FSB that beats the Pegasos to pieces.
I feel a bit depressed myself. I had big hopes for the Pegaos. It just
came about too late. Much too late. And without dual G4. This would have
been the only reason for me to go Pegasos, to have a SMP machine, that
does not require active cooling. Did you know, that the P4 is even quite
sophisticated, at least upto 2GHz, with regards to power usage and thus
very well coolable in a manner, that you won't hear too much of a fan ?
I even had a dream to get a Pegasos with dual G4 and fill up the PCI
slots with DCE's long announced "G4 MicroServer" to hopefully build a
super-number-cruncher in my home. Now I will try to do it different.
I'll have to see.
.john
Pegasos news : Comment 80 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 18-Aug-2002 09:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (.john):
Well said.
Pegasos news : Comment 81 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 18-Aug-2002 09:17 GMT
Oh and Bill, if you would care to look at the speculation and provocation that
is the post that YOU took offense to you might notice that you still havent
answered why you called me that name. In fact that is the only "point" I wanted
an answer on from you after your patronising "relax" post and you STILL havent
answered it properly.
At the moment Im still thinking you did it for the reasons I guessed at in that
post. You want accountability eh? You want my email address and you think that will
give you accountability? The kind of accountability you wanted off Darrin by
posting his website as if it was something distasteful - as a reason to disregard
his opinions ( which was all in the comment that we took exception to ).
Let the thread judge ... ROLFMAO!
Pegasos news : Comment 82 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 18-Aug-2002 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Raquel and Bill):
>Darrin and I did the same thing and if you read all the thread you will see
>there was more than an indication of reconciliation
LOL!!!!
Pegasos news : Comment 83 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 18-Aug-2002 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (DaveW):
Don't expect an answer Dave, he also didn't answer to post #72 because he knows he's a liar. Also don't bother writing privately, we took the discussion privately and he's so paranoid that he sees threats even when there's none.
Pegasos news : Comment 84 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by hexaae on 18-Aug-2002 22:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (.john):
I agree.
Finally someone who sees the truth: the PPC choice have counted days, x86 is the future: powerful and fast, cheap, commonly spreaded, with HW support in every comp-shop... Be quick or be dead: move on x86 common PCs (yes, also AmigaOS4+)!! Long live the Amiga... on common, powerful and cheap HW please!!
Pegasos news : Comment 85 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-Aug-2002 05:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (amigammc):
I dont expect an answer and never did. He exhibits all the traits of a paranoid bully on here and has
done nothing other than damage an already shoddy internet avatar. I didnt
trust Viscorp press releases and I dont trust any of the latter day incarnations.
If its taken them this long to work out an alternate explanation their inability
to answer "point by point" will be what people remember. I offered an amnesty despite
his rude behaviour and he refused to take it and will have to take the consequences.
Goodbye and good luck with your Amiga :-)
Pegasos news : Comment 86 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by Bill on 19-Aug-2002 08:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (DaveW):
@DaveW
Dear Dave,
Here I am and ready to meet you anywhere you want, to discuss anything you want, anytime you want. Is that being a bully? Is this what you call someone who does not share your opinion? Yet, you hide behind an invisible email address and have no courage to support your position face to face or even directly by email.
The only one who is behaving badly here is you.
What list? What questions? Where are all the things you feel need to be answered? Please state them here clearly.
You make this highly personal, but accept no straight discussion.
I do not think you understand the issues and I think you rant about things you do not know.
Bill
Pegasos news : Comment 87 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-Aug-2002 12:11 GMT
See you cant even answer the question properly.
Pegasos news : Comment 88 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 20-Aug-2002 09:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Bill):
Dear Bill
> Dear Dave,
> Here I am and ready to meet you anywhere you want, to discuss anything you want, anytime you want. Is that being a bully? Is this what you call
> someone who does not share your opinion?
This second sentence is meaningless. If I attend an Amiga show that you are at in
the future I will seek you out and with witnesses have a discussion with you.
> Yet, you hide behind an invisible email address and have no courage to support your position face to face or even directly by email.
I have plenty of courage but no inclination to enter into private correspondance. I suggest
you lack courage to discuss this in public. What would an email address of say
davew@yahoo.com give you? The chance to take this offline and give me answers that
I could not publicise? To apologise away from the cameras so to speak so you dont
look like you have to back down?
All you had to say was "no need to get offended Dave I didnt mean anything by it".
Given your or your assotiates record of handling personal correspondance Ill opt
for the face to face meeting thanks.
> The only one who is behaving badly here is you.
How so? By posting a speculative forum append asking to be correct if I am wrong
in a follow up to a patronising response from you that was then met with an abusive
response from you.
> What list? What questions? Where are all the things you feel need to be answered? Please state them here clearly.
You claim to have read this and other threads yet you dodge the issue again. Why did
you call me Dave Winchester? That was all I asked!
> You make this highly personal, but accept no straight discussion.
I ask for straight discussion. You made this personal Bill. Read the order of
events as they happened. You think its a personal remark when I claim you want
to leverage the Amiga brand? Do you think that is somehow a low remark? Why? Whats
wrong with leveraging a brand?
> I do not think you understand the issues and I think you rant about things you do not know.
Cite examples. I understand the issues and I dont rant about things I dont know. I get the
impression you read posts by me and then others and reply to me as if I have made
the posts others have. Read what I put CAREFULLY and note the conditionals where
I am unable to prove assertions. To claim that I do not know what I am talking about
is spurious and to make it less so the burden of proof falls on you.
> Bill
Dave.
Pegasos news : Comment 89 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by Bill on 20-Aug-2002 09:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (DaveW):
Dear Dave, it is clear we are not progressing like this. Please post on this thread (if you are still here) a time and place of your chosing and we will be there in the next four weeks. If you could give us two choices it would be better.
We have been told you have done some work on the audio side and we could use some assistance there.
No hard feelings...:)
Sincerely,
Bill
Pegasos news : Comment 90 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by Bill on 20-Aug-2002 09:46 GMT
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Hi Dave,
Why don't you try to work your way out of this?
We are not bad people.
Sincerely,
R&B
Pegasos news : Comment 91 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 20-Aug-2002 18:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Bill):
i`d also like to know... why did you call him Dave Winchester?
plus i thought it was pretty much obvious that the email address he said wasn`t real but just part of his point he was trying to get to you.
Pegasos news : Comment 92 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 21-Aug-2002 06:20 GMT
Well Ive been popping back in once a day to see if Bill has swallowed his pride
and explained himself or apologise or said anything vaguely constructive that
I might want to follow up to. Im not seeing it and I cant keep coming back.
Apart from two dumb responses which clearly show a dented ego reacting defensively
which I will just leave to stand as is a comment on his arrogance towards potential
customers.
Those that know my e-mail address still read ANN so hopefully if I get an unreserved
apology and an explanation from Thendic they can notify me.
No one ever increased sales figures by insulting the customer Bill. Im sure to
seek you out at a trade show I know you are attending. However I figure you might
not want that, a stand up argument where you will no doubt fail to maintain your
equilibrium in front of other potential customers might hurt your credibility somewhat. Do you
seriously think I would do it any other way? Do you seriously think that I would
meet you away from witnesses?
Why dont you just take the easy route and explain yourself on here? You didnt
take the easy route before which I posted just to nip it in the bud so whats to
say you will do the decent thing now?
Pegasos news : Comment 93 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by Bill on 21-Aug-2002 18:25 GMT
Hi Dave,
What I think is that you are a coward and that you will never have the "guts" to seek me out anywhere (by email or in person). I will keep checking back to see if you have enough integrity to honor your posts. Why don't you make it simple on yourself? Just write me! It could be much easier for both of us.
We (Raquel and I and the thread) thought you were leaving? We have four emails explaining how harmless you are (and this was just after your second post!). Will you keep checking? Do you think you have a loyal following? Do you think they care? Why do you consider yourself so important?
What do you want me to explain? That you were right about Dave (Winchester)? I did exactly what you said! I admitted it. You responded, "LOL."
Here is a new one for you -- Dave W(himp). Like that? Is it hard for you to accept what you do to others when it happens to you? Go read your posts.
What do you do for a living? Are you responsible for anything beyond yourself? If you are, do they respect you? Will they support you in a public forum? You tried it here. It did not work. Is that why you said it was over for you on ANN....?
I have nothing against you. I am just holding up the mirror as close as you are to me. I still feel OK. Do you?
I guess you will be back again, but maybe you really are gone now...
@the rest
If you think we are wrong then don't support the effort we involved in -- it is really that simple -- it is your choice. Please no self-righteousness, no judgement, not excuses for what each of us decides is right. Just do what you think is best! If on the other hand the Pegasos sounds interesting to you, and you want to move through all the childish behavior often found here, please email us at any of the addresses found on this site. We are looking for people that have the spirit and who are ready for new things and new markets.
We are very grateful to ANN for the exposure it has given the Pegasos and MorphOS. We have met (and before this, years ago) great people who are reading through the posts on this thread and on this site. They understand the "passion" behind this motivation and have not hesitated to contact us. Please continue to do so. For every DaveW or "anonymous coward" there are ten solid citizens who understand computers and the future and who are ready to participate in it.
Thanks and best regards to those of you!
Adios Dave!
Sincerely,
Bill
Pegasos news : Comment 94 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Aug-2002 20:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Bill):
LOL Hes been told he might make use of you and suddenly hes friendly like shit. Nice one!
Pegasos news : Comment 95 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Aug-2002 20:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Bill):
And then you say that you dont like him and he treats you like shit again. hehehe That one was even better! =)
Pegasos news : Comment 96 of 96ANN.lu
Posted by doc on 22-Aug-2002 21:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Bill):
Bill,
How about answering to my question from the message 72?
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