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[News] Thendic France comment on OS4.0ANN.lu
Posted on 17-Aug-2002 19:55 GMT by cheesegrate165 comments
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On an ANN thread Bill and Raquel comment on their attitude towareds AmigaOS4 and it's appearance on the pegasos.
"If AmigaOS4.0 is fully finished and running natively on a PPC we will be happy for Hyperion and Amiga Inc. Undoubtedly, in this community there will be more than one person who will copy a legally obtained copy of the operating system onto the Pegasos. How will Amiga Inc. stop this? We cannot control this and neither can they. If AmigaOS4.0 becomes what it is claimed to be – great! We will sell a few more Pegasos machines. Thanks Hyperion! We wish them our best. We have absolutely nothing against this effort."

Personally I think that no hardware developers who don't licence the amiga name will pay money for certification to get os4 running on their boards. However because the pegasos and the amiga one share the same northbridge and BIOS (atm), it should not be difficult for a developer to port os4 across to the pegasos. The question is; Will Hyperion and Amiga Inc allow this without wanting money from Bplan/Thendic France? And does it matter?
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 101 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 19-Aug-2002 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Did Ben say that MorphOS is illegal? No.
(just backtracked the referred comments)
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 102 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 19-Aug-2002 13:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (DaveW):
DaveW: "Is Jay Miner a bridge too far for them?"
It might be because David is supporting AmigaOS4 development (IIRC) and Jay (RIP) is not...
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 103 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 19-Aug-2002 13:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (MIB):
and fleecy moss ... ;)
hmm somehow i don't think this is thendic that is doing this..
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 104 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-Aug-2002 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (MIB):
They've probably covered every "Amiga celebrity" there is, everything to associate their product with Amiga. I just wish the MorphOS fanatics would open their eyes and see how these guys act and what it tells about their intentions.
/me awaiting flames telling me all about the delayed vapor products from Amiga Inc.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 105 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-Aug-2002 13:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (Samface):
Even if it is not Thendic, an employee assotiate or affiliate that is doing this
then from what I can tell whomever is taking a financial hit in doing so ( its
paid advertising ) and clearly fails to realise that it is damaging PR
when seen by the userbase they wish to appeal to as being over-aggressive and
mis-representative marketing.
Like for example if someone called Pegasos with MorphOS the next generation Amiga.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 106 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-Aug-2002 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (Samface):
They ALL suck in marketing !
They ALL suck in keeping promises !
They ALL suck in public appaerance !
And I'm quite sure they all have a personality that .....
I just decided for the side with the better (promised) product.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 107 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 19-Aug-2002 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (cheesegrate):
You think somebody else is paying to advertise Thendic?
/me goes back to buy advertising pages on PCMagazine for Apple ;-)
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 108 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-Aug-2002 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (Samface):
It would be no problem to stop such activities if the responsible guys would
actually take some action. The google thing is known for many months but
instead of taking actions in court there is only lawyer assisted marketing
done.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 109 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-Aug-2002 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (cheesegrate):
Well, I don't think you're allowed to advertise other companies products and I think Google only accepts advertising for the sponsors own product. Anything else wouldn't make sense.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 110 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 19-Aug-2002 13:38 GMT
"amiga os4"
and "morphos" do the trick again---
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 111 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 19-Aug-2002 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Kronos):
well, I'm glad you found a little bit of sanity Kronos ;-)
As for me, it's no secret, I stay on the same side where my friends are, and it's no secret either that I wouldn not buy a computer from RS if it was the best in the world. Yes, I have strong principles. There was a time when I would have considered it, but Schmidt made me change my mind with his attitude: "I don't think you're a potential buyer, therefore I can treat you like shit" - it's all in the archives of CSAM
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 112 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 19-Aug-2002 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Kronos):
Most of us with PPC's have tried the publically available mos betas ... they stink and they final products going to have to get a lot lot better ( not saying it won't ) , but personnaly i prefer the Os4 screen shots and APUS to that beta :)
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 113 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-Aug-2002 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (David Scheibler):
Im sure one side wants to make as much political capital out of this as possible. Can you blame them?
The Google terms and conditions are pretty woolly from what I have read so who knows
how long this could run for.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 114 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 19-Aug-2002 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (amigammc):
The ppc.library was enough to turn me off of his work , what a downright sloppy implemention ( we had to use bloody elf loaders half the time in the early days ).
Sam Jordan came and saved us from that mess , Its about time we had blizzardvision and cybervision drivers for P96 to save us from anyother.
Maybe he should stop hanging around with Darklite.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 115 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 19-Aug-2002 13:50 GMT
I know this is boring, but
"amiga os4.x" where x0,1,2,3,5... seem to "work".
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 116 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 19-Aug-2002 13:59 GMT
Since they are using cost-per-click pricing, why not do some serious clicks then ;)
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 117 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-Aug-2002 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (Jon):
Anyone prepared to distribute a java app that we can all run that uses the
http client classes to do loads of clicks on that URL?
Whomever goes bankrupt we know they did it ;-)
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 118 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 19-Aug-2002 14:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (DaveW):
come on! that's a bit harsh.. !
get a life davew and jon
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 119 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-Aug-2002 14:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (cheesegrate):
No need to cry :-)
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 120 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 19-Aug-2002 14:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (DaveW):
arent' you sopoused to have left? ;)
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 121 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 19-Aug-2002 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (DaveW):
I have a bitta PHP that will follow links quietly ... But i don't think its kinda fair. Why not just complain to google and get the ads removed.
In this situation if you want to prove you point you should use maturity.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 122 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-Aug-2002 14:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (cOrpse):
LOL!
I think you and cheesegrate have developed a sense of humour deficiency. :-)
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 123 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 19-Aug-2002 14:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (DaveW):
sorry , thought you were serious as it was a pretty good idea ...
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 124 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-Aug-2002 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (cOrpse):
Naah the ;) was supposed to indicate that it was tongue-in-cheek.
As cheesegrate sayes, Ive left the platform so after today ( last day of Amiga
fora ) it wont matter to me anyway.
If it bugs Amiga Inc, Hyperion, Dave Haynie etc then they need to complain to Google.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 125 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 19-Aug-2002 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (DaveW):
well knowing faithfull fanatics of the name cult...
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 126 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-Aug-2002 14:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (cheesegrate):
LOL :*)
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 127 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 19-Aug-2002 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (DaveW):
>>Ive left the platform so after today
heh! yeah sure mate.. what's the bet that in 2004, you will still be talking about not using amiga's and leaving this board.
like you were last week.. , methinks it's just a way to get attention.
And anyway do u know how many people who read and sometimes post on this board who don't use amiga's anymore. i don't think we'll get rid of you that easily.. ;)
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 128 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-Aug-2002 14:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (cheesegrate):
Last week I said it was days before I left the platform.
Today, Ive left.
End of today, Im off the forums.
It might be what you would do to get attention, not my cup of tea bud. I think its
a bit sad but its pointless staying. Im just pissing in the tent with my views now and maybe
the rest of you think its worth making a go of it.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 129 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 19-Aug-2002 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (DaveW):
Leavings the last thing to do, use four letter words first.
- Daniel
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 130 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Bill on 19-Aug-2002 14:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Jon):
Hi Ben,
We are selling the pre-release of the Pegasos. You can buy one if you agree to become a Betatester. It runs MorphOS or various versions of Linux.
If you have a problem with this why don't you take us to court?
Or, you could just mind your own business.
Bill
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 131 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by .john on 19-Aug-2002 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (DaveW):
Maybe you should use the other KDevelop branch. I forgot its name right
now but it is quite different from the original-KDevelop branch.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 132 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Aug-2002 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Go get the court order. This need to be dealt with.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 133 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 19-Aug-2002 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Anonymous):
why whould they do that when if they lose, they could go bankrupt as they would be sued for damagages.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 134 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 19-Aug-2002 16:36 GMT
*YAWN*
More developing, less bitching!
BTW this knife cuts BOTH ways! Somebody could hack MOS to run on the A1.
Personally I don't like either board. I would much rather have either OS running on a Titanium Powerbook. These boards suck ass! AGP 2x? Geez, these boards wouldn't even be able to use AGP 8x cards (which are backwards compatible to AGP 4x only).
*YAAAAAAAAAAWN*
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 135 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 19-Aug-2002 16:38 GMT
PS:
*YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN*
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 136 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 19-Aug-2002 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Jon):
searching for "morphos" did not yield that advert earlier, only amigaone + OS4 people's names... 8o
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 137 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 19-Aug-2002 17:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (strobe):
>Personally I don't like either board. I would much rather have either OS running on a Titanium Powerbook. These boards suck ass! AGP 2x? Geez, these boards wouldn't even be able to use AGP 8x cards (which are backwards compatible to AGP 4x only).
??
Name them please, I want to know.
I thought Parhelia512, Radeon8500 and even the latest Radeon9700PRO (world's fastest 3d card) work on AGP 2x?
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 138 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-Aug-2002 17:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (strobe):
Someone please remove that post, it screwed the entire web layout up.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 139 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 19-Aug-2002 17:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 133 (cheesegrate):
" why whould they do that when if they lose, they could go bankrupt as they would be sued for damagages."
Because unless this is either settled amicably or in court, the suspicion will NEVER go away.
As for Amiga Inc not taking action for fear or repercussions, that's a pretty ignorant standpoint.
Even if AInc lost any case they started against MOS/bPlan, it does not automatically follow that MOS will counter-sue and win damages. The burden of proof would be different in each case.
Personally, I'd rather see a negotiated compromise, because I don't think either side can afford a protracted case. I fear that as long as Thendic are involved there is no chance whatsoever of any agreement being reached.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 140 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 19-Aug-2002 17:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (Samface):
well compared to how much your posts have screwed ann over the years, it's nothing.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 141 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 19-Aug-2002 17:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 139 (Bill Hoggett):
>. I fear that as long as Thendic are involved there is no chance whatsoever of >.any agreement being reached.
how so? It gives bplan some legal and financial assistance against amino and hyperion FUD.. Anyway don't you think Amino will be busy with dealing with H&P? Even they might be sued by H&P? ;)
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 142 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 19-Aug-2002 19:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (cOrpse):
Any proof for the opposite? Legally dubious != illegal.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 143 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 19-Aug-2002 20:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (cheesegrate):
" how so? It gives bplan some legal and financial assistance against amino and hyperion FUD.."
Hmmm... Wait and see. I think you'll find Thendic are a bigger liability than you know, even if this stupid parasitic marketing hadn't taken place. I really don't think they'll be in any position to offer legal and financial assistance at all.
" Anyway don't you think Amino will be busy with dealing with H&P? Even they might be sued by H&P? ;)"
AFAICT, H&P have absolutely zero grounds to sue anybody, but I hope they do, because it would be nice for the world to have proof of their licensing practices. So far, they are doing what they've always done: keeping quiet and hoping the fuss will just go away.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 144 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Jürgen Lange on 20-Aug-2002 03:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (anonymous):
> Oh please - the number of developers actively supporting anything
> commercially viable is an absolute joke. The bottom line for Thendic
> is hardware sales and the remaining members of the Amiga community
> are an easy sell. Countless times people on this site have
> encouraged Thendic and bPlan to OEM OS4 so that they could purchase
> a Pegasos and run a sanctioned copy of the operating system in good
> conscience. But apart from obviously not wanting to detract from
> MorphOS, I'm sure there is a sick sense of satisfaction to be gained
> if piracy prevails. You don't want to pay for or support the brand,
> you just want to cannibalize it.
I think that Amiga Inc. had failed to generate enough interest. Most
developers and the remaining resellers are not interested in their
politics anymore.
Amiga Inc. failed to generate interest for AmigaDE. They never had a
real path to incorporate AmigaDE with AmigaOS. AmigaOS 5? It's vapor
by now.
I think (and always thought) that a finished AmigaDE is a wonderfull
product.
AmigaOS is a wonderfull product, too. I'm using it since 1988. And I'm
still using it on a regular base doing 80% of my job with it (thanks
to Amithlon).
I do not know, when we will see a real product by Amiga Inc.. Can
anyone tell me when AmigaDE will be available? Is there anybody who
can tell me, when AmigaOne/AmigaOS 4 will be available? Or is there
anybody who can tell, when Amithlon 2 will be available?
All these products are not available because of the politics of Amiga
Inc.!
Hey, Mr. Anonymous, Amiga isn't only a brand. Amiga is old hardware,
Amiga is an os, Amiga are a decreasing number of developers and Amiga
are a decreasing number of customers (and btw. Amiga is a group of
fitness studios ;-) ).
Bill McEwen and Fleecy Moss have payed a lot of money for the brand.
And they managed to generate some interest for their ideas in the very
beginning but they had made a lot of mistakes:
1. They dropped classic Amiga
2. They didn't develop AmigaDE to a real product.
3. They forgot all about hardware independense
4. They went back to Classic Amiga
5. They had no idea about AmigaOne
6. They never learned how to manage a project
7. They haven't learned about the real world
If they were able to sell a clean and lean product by now I would buy
it (as I've bought the SDK and the Party Pack, - a big mistake).
On the other hand we have Thendic-France having a product. Ok, it
isn't the "real" Amiga (as Amithlon isn't) but it is a product many
Amiga users and developers will like and it is a product which will be
available in the near future.
It isn't possible to cannibalize a brand, it isn't possible to steal
sales (you can't lose what you never have had). Amiga Inc. has the
chance to compete, the only thing they have to do is to offer a
product.
Jürgen
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 145 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Jürgen Lange on 20-Aug-2002 04:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 144 (Jürgen Lange):
... so let's wait for the First of September!!!
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 146 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by simpleppc on 20-Aug-2002 05:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (priest):
Jenna Jameson, Devon, Jill Killy, Rocco, Tabatha cash, i'm sure all of those are 'known' persons on AMiga channels :)
LOL
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 147 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 20-Aug-2002 07:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 144 (Jürgen Lange):
Jürgen Lange :
>I think that Amiga Inc. had failed to generate enough interest. Most
developers and the remaining resellers are not interested in their
politics anymore.
Most Amiga developers support AmigaOS, including v4. Some of them also support MOS.
Very few support only one of them.
>Amiga Inc. failed to generate interest for AmigaDE.
Well... there is interest, but it is well below the expectations, especially in the Amiga community.
>They never had a real path to incorporate AmigaDE with AmigaOS.
??
I think in the spring of 2001 the roadmap was revealed and DE for AOS was planned in v.4.2 (IIRC).
Latest info is that it will be ported after OS4.0 is finished (=y2003).
>AmigaOS 5? It's vapor by now.
Isn't every product vapor untill it's ready & released? (including OS4userversion, MOSuserversion, pegasosuserversion....)
...
>I do not know, when we will see a real product by Amiga Inc..
Note that AA is a real product.
>Can anyone tell me when AmigaDE will be available?
No.
It will take year(s) before DE full fills things that have been promised in AmigaWorld zines at amiga.com.
In the meanwhile there will be new players and game cartridges.
>Is there anybody who can tell me, when AmigaOne/AmigaOS 4 will be available?
Before christmas... (or so they say at least, well before christmas even)
(I think OS4 for CSPPC might be ready in September, perhaps in shops around October......)
>Or is there anybody who can tell, when Amithlon 2 will be available?
>All these products are not available because of the politics of Amiga Inc.!
That is absolutely not true. (every sane people know it)
>Bill McEwen and Fleecy Moss have payed a lot of money for the brand.
>And they managed to generate some interest for their ideas in the very beginning but they had made a lot of mistakes:
>1. They dropped classic Amiga
Yes. That was a mistake.
>2. They didn't develop AmigaDE to a real product.
I think that is not their fault. Their plan was relying on money from investors but the investiors disappered in IT world slowdown.
>3. They forgot all about hardware independense
That is absolutely not true.
>4. They went back to Classic Amiga
That is not a mistake!!!!!!!!!! (except according to MOS fanatics)
>5. They had no idea about AmigaOne
???
I think they had idea, but that was not enough.
>6. They never learned how to manage a project
IMO: They still can.
>7. They haven't learned about the real world
I think they have learned a lot. I think they will learn more.
There might have been even signs of them learning from the Amiga world.
>If they were able to sell a clean and lean product by now I would buy it
DE or OS or both ?
I think I could easily dig out 20 REAL mistakes that AmigaInc guys have done, but why bother.
>(as I've bought the SDK and the Party Pack, - a big mistake).
THAT was a mistake!! (sorry, just kidding, I could not resist...)
>On the other hand we have Thendic-France having a product.
Only for betaTESTERS.
>Ok, it isn't the "real" Amiga (as Amithlon isn't) but it is a product many
Amiga users and developers will like and it is a product which will be available in the near future.
Time will tell...
r.
priest
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 148 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 20-Aug-2002 07:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (Jürgen Lange):
" ... so let's wait for the First of September!!!"
September 1:st .. The day of action... (Yeah)
To me that sounds even sicker joke than to average ex-Amigian. 1st September (2001) was the day when Mr Moss personaly kicked my A**. He failed to deliver, failed to show up and what's worst failed to announce his cancellation in time so we could have arranged something in place of that expected DE demo (not to mention those DE-enabled PDA:s that never appeared for us to show)...
http://batman.jypoly.fi/~saku/saku2001/english_summary.html
http://batman.jypoly.fi/~saku/saku2001/fleecy.txt
Ah well-- it was the last public Amigahappening in this country. And there will be no more until something real and new Amiga is available.. And no, limited-number prototype-board running PPC_linux is not IT.
1st September 2001 was the day DE died to me, so is 1st September 2002 going to be the day when entire AmigaInc collapses? With all that egoistic rant they are IMHO driven themselves in hopeless position. They have to sue everybody to keep their face and at the same time I honestly can't see any hope on them to actually win anything by doing so.
Ah well.. perhaps it's time to move on and let them die. I have given my fair share of support (like purchasing partyPack and promoting DE and AmigaOne) while hoping to get new Amiga. If it happens it happnes, but I'm not going to hold my breath while waiting.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 149 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Phil on 20-Aug-2002 10:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Seehund):
> AI couldn't demand any money from any hardware vendor though. How could
> they? "People are running illegal copies of our OS on hardware sold by you.
> Pay up!" Heh.
This is where it becomes a DMCA issue, so at least in America the pegasus could be made illegal. The DMCA was based on a law that could be coming to a european country near you soon.
Phill
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 150 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Phil on 20-Aug-2002 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Mekanix):
> So let's see... ASUS, ABit, Epox etc. who are selling MB's without Windows
> are just a bunch of blood-sucking parasites...
Microsoft use similar tactics, except they will sell you a copy of windows to run on any machine. However you pay far more if you buy a retail copy than you do if you buy the oem version that is keyed to a specific motherboard.
And it's just not worth trying to pirate Windows XP, they are going to disable windows update on the most commonly warezed serial numbers.
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