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[News] Thendic France comment on OS4.0ANN.lu
Posted on 17-Aug-2002 19:55 GMT by cheesegrate165 comments
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On an ANN thread Bill and Raquel comment on their attitude towareds AmigaOS4 and it's appearance on the pegasos.
"If AmigaOS4.0 is fully finished and running natively on a PPC we will be happy for Hyperion and Amiga Inc. Undoubtedly, in this community there will be more than one person who will copy a legally obtained copy of the operating system onto the Pegasos. How will Amiga Inc. stop this? We cannot control this and neither can they. If AmigaOS4.0 becomes what it is claimed to be – great! We will sell a few more Pegasos machines. Thanks Hyperion! We wish them our best. We have absolutely nothing against this effort."

Personally I think that no hardware developers who don't licence the amiga name will pay money for certification to get os4 running on their boards. However because the pegasos and the amiga one share the same northbridge and BIOS (atm), it should not be difficult for a developer to port os4 across to the pegasos. The question is; Will Hyperion and Amiga Inc allow this without wanting money from Bplan/Thendic France? And does it matter?
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 151 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 20-Aug-2002 11:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 147 (priest):
>>Or is there anybody who can tell, when Amithlon 2 will be available?
>>All these products are not available because of the politics of Amiga Inc.!
>That is absolutely not true. (every sane people know it)
AInc pushed Bernie and Harald towards H&P fully knowing that they allready
had problems with them, and they didn't even bother to wait for the signed
contract before they started calling it a "fully licenced product".
Rumor says it was done to cover up the A1-Escena/OS4-inhouse+H&P desaster
last summer.
And thats the AInc-friendliest version of the story I've heard sofar.
If they had some REAL buisness-sense, we would have been able to buy the
first Amithlon-version bundled with only OS3.1 back in September and fully
licenced.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 152 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 20-Aug-2002 11:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (Kronos):
And if cows had wings, they would fly...
But anyway. I can not see how Amiga Inc is preventing Amithlon2 from being sold.
But I understand why it is so easy to blame AmigaInc for everything.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 153 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 20-Aug-2002 11:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (JoannaK):
"1st September 2001"
Ouch! Some people travelled 600km to talk with fleecy!
1st September 2002 can only be better .... right??????????????? 8(
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 154 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 20-Aug-2002 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 152 (priest):
>But anyway. I can not see how Amiga Inc is preventing Amithlon2 from being sold.
They are not preventing it now, but they had their hands in the stuff that
resulted in the problems, which make it impossible to release it now.
So yes AInc's politcs (in 2001) are the/one reason why Amithlon2 is not available.
And now go back to Jürgen's post ...
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 155 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 20-Aug-2002 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 154 (Kronos):
I thought it was Harald threating to sue bernie if he tries to sell Amithlon2..?
Yet another of these things where no one knows what is the truth, except those involved.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 156 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 20-Aug-2002 12:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (priest):
Yes Harald said something about sueing against Bernie and AInc, but
the missing P96-licence is what keeping it from release.
The P96 have a contract with H&P, and they don't know if it is still
binding. I doubt that they would have granted that licence if AInc
hadn't told them (like everyone else) that H&P had a licence for the
Kick used in Amithlon.
Telling the truth ("we are hopefull, but no signed contract yet") would
have resulted in a delay for the release, but nothing more.
Atm I'm allmost sure that Amithlon is completly FUBARed ;-(
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 157 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Aug-2002 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (Bill):
Your attitude is sickening. Even if AmigaInc whent bankrupt I wouldnt buy a pegasos or morphos now.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 158 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 20-Aug-2002 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 156 (Kronos):
" Telling the truth ("we are hopefull, but no signed contract yet") would
have resulted in a delay for the release, but nothing more. "
Keep in mind that it was H&P who were desperate for the immediate release, not Amiga Inc. The agreement to let H&P distribute ahead of the contract being signed will have been reached at H&P's request.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 159 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 20-Aug-2002 15:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 158 (Bill Hoggett):
And what does that say about the buisness-skills of AInc ?
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 160 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 20-Aug-2002 16:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (Kronos):
That they were naive? That their position at the time was weak and susceptible to "presure"? That other factors were involved?
The point is that we don't know their reasons for WHY they approached the issue the way they did, so it is unwise to automatically assume it was incompetence or underhand practices. I'd be quite prepared to say that NONE of us have been told the full story of what happened between AmiWest 2001 and the end of October of the same year.
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 161 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 20-Aug-2002 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (priest):
" "1st September 2001" "
"Ouch! Some people travelled 600km to talk with fleecy!"
I was lucky one with only about 600km travel and just carring small laptop for DE demoing... Some others had to travel over 2000km (>1000 in each direction) just to bring their full-tower Amigas into show and help on organizing the happening.. And no, none got any $$$..
I was hoping to see (or even buy) Amiga-DE PDA at that time. But, alas I did not see one then nor have I seen any since.
> 1st September 2002 can only be better .... right??????????????? 8(
It was not bad day in all, it was nice to meet Amiga people around the contry and it was good to see/hear Mr Battilana (I hope I get his name right?) demoing latest AmigaForever... Allmost everything went just fine, Except AmigaInc that is.. :(
Hmm.. I just realized no-one has got time/energy to translate these photo captions to English.. Ah well, my laptop with DE-player running is on page4 :-) http://batman.jypoly.fi/~saku/saku2001/valokuvaraportti/index.html
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 162 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Aug-2002 22:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 149 (Phil):
>The DMCA was based on a law that could be coming to a european country near you soon.
Nazi-law that is!
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 163 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 21-Aug-2002 11:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 161 (JoannaK):
It seems that almost all my friends were on those pictures... (where the h*ll was I...)
But oh boy I was surpriced when I found myself in a picture on the finnish PC magazine "MicroBitti"!
(the publicity is around the corner, if only AI could deliver their goods)
Anyway, also I enjoyed Saku2001, but still if Fleecy...
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 164 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 21-Aug-2002 19:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 163 (priest):
priest: makes me wonder if we talked at that time. I was there most of time Demoing those AD-hoc DE systems..
Thendic France comment on OS4.0 : Comment 165 of 165ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Aug-2002 20:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 162 (Anonymous):
>>The DMCA was based on a law that could be coming to a european country near you soon.
>Nazi-law that is!
"Nazi" seems to be used for anything people shall dislike by default.
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