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[News] SCSI for your AmigaONE ??ANN.lu
Posted on 21-Aug-2002 05:35 GMT by createcoms71 comments
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Interested in having SCSI PCI on your AmigaONE system? Click to find out more! I am preparing to code a driver for a PCI SCSI card, that will run under OS4 and be optimised for the AmigaONE. I am taking submissions on which card I should code for. Please write to: PCI-SCSI@amigaone.co.nz
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 1 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Rafo on 21-Aug-2002 03:47 GMT
Why not make a driver for a HW/SW platform that actually EXISTS ?
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 2 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Aug-2002 04:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Rafo):
why? there is already SCSI for those
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 3 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Alfred Schwarz on 21-Aug-2002 04:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Well, not really; would be nice to have drivers for SCSI/EIDE controllers on PCI boards (GRex, Mediator, Prometheus); at least I would be glad to have one for my GRex...
Hopefully OS4 drivers will work with (supported) PCI boards, not only AmigaOne.
Ciao, Alfred
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 4 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Rafo on 21-Aug-2002 04:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Alfred Schwarz):
I was more thinking about Ŗ-Tester/Pegasos -> MorphOS. Looks like nobody here knows about it.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 5 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 21-Aug-2002 05:18 GMT
So where can I order MOS (not 0.4!) for BPPC? Does it work with Mediator?
OS4 surely exist as much as MOS, it's just so that the public audience can't have them yet--
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 6 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Aug-2002 05:18 GMT
Didn't OS4 suppose to support SCRIPT based controllers?
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 7 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 21-Aug-2002 05:27 GMT
What, if anything, came of that nice rant in favor of Symbios/LSI someone let off with back in the early planning for the A1/OS4?
That said, if we want guaranteed support from PPCBoot (booting from SCSI HDs, and perhaps CD-ROMs, though it's hard to say if their support extends that far) on day one, it looks like we have all of one choice:
[From the PPCBoot README]
- SCSI Support:
At the moment only there is only support for the
SYM53C8XX SCSI controller; define
CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX to enable it.
Insert rant about "Hm, if certain effort had been spent putting Linux in ROM, PPCBoot would only have to launch long enough to read the Flash device, and Linux could load just long enough to take advantage of its broad hardware support to get OS4 bootstrapped off whatever you'd like." Of course, it might add some delay to the boot time- having a fully functional PPCBoot with broad support for Adaptec, LSI/Symbios, QLogic, and every breed of Firewire and SAS controller coming to market would be great- but it'd have shaved down the wait for the hardware by a lot, while adding value for the actual *NIX market...
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 8 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 21-Aug-2002 05:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
Oh, and for the record, SCRIPTSSymbios/LSI (the 53C8xx line include some nice, cheap UW controllers; FreeBSD considers the 53c1010 Ultra160 chip part of the 8xx family, though I'm not sure if that means anything or just proves driver bloat)... So at least we'd be covered from the BIOS/bootloader on through to the actual OS if everything there played out as planned.
If someone is actually taking care of the Symbios support internally, the Adaptec 2940UW would probably be the next best thing to target; even if we won't be able to boot from them at first, they're just too common to pass up, and should do fine for scanners, CD-ROMs/RWs, Jaz drives and such. Anyone who likes SCSI and owns a PC or Mac probably has one around, so it provides an excuse for a balanced upgrade cycle- the PC could get the New Greatest Thing, to make the ~GHz processor a little more useful, and the A1 could get a huge'n'fast IDE drive to boot from and the now-$9-on-eBay 2940UW for access to old drives and peripherals, keeping everyone's (well, my ;)) machines balanced and happy.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 9 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Radfoo on 21-Aug-2002 06:21 GMT
Probably a driver for an Adaptec PCI card would be best, as they are easily avilable.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 10 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Aug-2002 06:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Rafo):
Pegaos does not exist more than Amigaone. both are still available only for limited group of developers. Both have been sold couple of boards. So as long as pegasos is in ships IT DOES NOT EXIST more than AmigaOne.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 11 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Aug-2002 06:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
I mean shops :)
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 12 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 21-Aug-2002 07:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
Well... We have all have our hopes that something might happen.. Some day.
Unfortunately while waiting I have found so many other uses for my $$$ that any Amigalike system has dropped long way down on list. OTOH what the rush.. I purchased my first Amiga well after they have been released (my first was A500), why should I need to rush now? If these systems grow stable and have decent user base there is no hurry on getting those, and is not... Well.. I have enough Abandonware already, no need to purchase more.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 13 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 21-Aug-2002 07:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (JoannaK):
You shouldn't worry that much. Amiga-stuff has usually a higher re-sale value..(in case you will be disappointed)
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 14 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 21-Aug-2002 09:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Ah - but when MOS does exist it will be about as useful as an Atari Falcon...
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 15 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 21-Aug-2002 09:39 GMT
Adaptec AIC4xxxx chipset, is nice most Adaptec cards uses that chipset.
40Mb/s or even 80Mb/s on new scsi cards,
Will you are addit way not make some drivers for Ride-controllers they realy kick ass.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 16 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 21-Aug-2002 09:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Ben):
I think Atari Falcon is kewl. I might try buy one, someday...
I'm interested in seeing the multitasking version TOS (or whatever) & trying out the improved sound system.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 17 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Budda on 21-Aug-2002 10:04 GMT
Amithlon supports a wide range of SCSI and IDE cards - in the Linux part of it. SUrely it would just be a case of wrapping up the linux pci code with the amiga generic pci.library used to access the hardware. Then making the native drivers for os4/mediator/grex access this via its xxxx.device file?
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 18 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 21-Aug-2002 10:53 GMT
Adaptec 2094 for lowend basic SCSI
Adaptec 2940UW for disks and better systems
..finally, a nice Symbios 53C1010 (top end of the 53C8xx series)
for those who really want SCSI
..has onboard SDMS BIOS, is WIDE, Fast80, 160Mb/s max syn, can load
and store scripts...so nicely tweakable and has
hardware phase mismatching support....2 stop a lot of common
SCSI chain errors
alan
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 19 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Aug-2002 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Rafo):
Some rather old "news" from Morphos.de
>SCSI: Symbios 770 SCSI (On CSPPC/BPPC)
> Symbios 710, 770
> Symbios 810, 815, 825, 875
> Symbios 89x (+ current models)
> DKB(TM) 4091
> A4000T on board SCSI
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 20 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 21-Aug-2002 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Jon):
I know four friends who have buy a Pegasos+MorphOS this month. One of
them even lives in the same city than me.
If you are interested by one... just buy it :)
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 21 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 21-Aug-2002 14:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Nicolas Sallin):
I certainly am, I'm not closing it away, even if I don't like Thendic's PR. The OS is interesting.
But is it official, legal, final - not some betabeta? Does it work on BPPC+Mediator?
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 22 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 21-Aug-2002 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Jon):
MorphOS has always been legal. For 4 years.
Only frightened competitors are pretending otherwise without even
knowing how it was done.
Otherwise, Pegasos's MorphOS version doesn't work on Amiga+PowerUP.
The HAL is slightly different :-)
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 23 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 21-Aug-2002 19:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Nicolas Sallin):
Of course it doesn't. I just wanted to know if MOS generally works with BPPC+Mediator combination. It's no use to me if it only works with the certain PCI expansion system.
And Pegasos is no use to me if it doesn't legally run AmigaOS 4.0. (but that's ok, it's not your problem)
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 24 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Gooze on 21-Aug-2002 19:33 GMT
A simple reply to a simple question
I think it would be a good idea so I could finally dump the
SurfSquirrel which causes more problems than it ever should
have done
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 25 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by bananafeet on 21-Aug-2002 20:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Nicolas Sallin):
Do you know how MorphOS was done. Only time will tell.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 26 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 21-Aug-2002 20:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (bananafeet):
He does... He is in the MorphOS team.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 27 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Aug-2002 20:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
So he's biased by default :p
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 28 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 21-Aug-2002 20:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Jon):
Latest MorphOS public beta wasn't running with a Mediator1200 due to a
bug in the HAL. But this was fixed some days later.
A fix was available on IRC for all the interested people. It was
even mentioned on ANN IIRC.
But this was a very long time ago now...
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 29 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 21-Aug-2002 21:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
He would be biased if he was making speculations, but he is talking about stuff
he knows first hand.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 30 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Aug-2002 21:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Its "his" product - ofcourse he says it is legal. Is that so hard to understand? And even if i claim something is legal because i honestly believe it, it need not be so.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 31 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by sutro on 21-Aug-2002 22:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Kjetil):
Actually, it's AIC78xx.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 32 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 22-Aug-2002 00:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anonymous):
When an angry lawyer is charging you with something you never
did, usually you know it. Read the Petunia thread...
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 33 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 22-Aug-2002 03:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Nicolas Sallin):
Ok, thanks for the info..I have followed ANN.lu only for a year now..
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 34 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 22-Aug-2002 03:55 GMT
Thanks for turning an AmigaOS 4 thread into an ad for MOS.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 35 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 22-Aug-2002 04:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (sutro):
Yes you are right, donít know where I got that aic4xxxx series from
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 36 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Chip on 22-Aug-2002 05:06 GMT
I need an onboard UW-SCSI controller... But is see, never will be any HighEnd version of A1. :(((
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 37 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 22-Aug-2002 05:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Ole-Egil):
Oh, I would love to read OS4-related news but the list went silent..Petunia news saved the day but now I yearn for some more. I hate waiting and addiction to the Amiga news ;)
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 38 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 22-Aug-2002 06:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Chip):
Why do you want on-board ? i personally have always hated anything that comes 'on-board' on mobos as that usually means im either stuck with them, or have to go through many hoops to disable them (and then it always conflicts somehow).
I like the fact i can buy whichever card i want, and at the price i want, to achieve what i want. This is one of the reasons that influence me in buying mobos full stop, in the pc world and amiga world.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 39 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Aug-2002 06:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Nicolas Sallin):
Yes, and you're an expert on copyright and competition law.
Tell me, what are your credentials?
You have none.
Neither does anybody in the MorphOS team nor at Thendic/bPlan.
The fact that they are hijacking other people's names and trademarks on Google should make that abudantly clear.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 40 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Rafo on 22-Aug-2002 07:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (derf):
If you want at least as possible stuff "on board", then you need a shitload of free PCI slots. And neither do AOne nor Pegasos provide this. 3 or 4 slots at most, which is pretty limited. Feel free to add some more cards highly integrated MoBo if you want better stuff (i.e. soundcard to replace the on-board AC97).
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 41 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Smith on 22-Aug-2002 09:10 GMT
Why bother with SCSI ? IDE is much better suited to desktop computers and a lot cheaper. In a single or dual disk setup there is no gain in performance by going to SCSI, SCSI fits in to the 4 disk per setup catagory and beyond 4 disks you use Fibre Channel.
You'd be better spending effort on getting a cheapo PCI IDE RAID controller to work, than worry about SCSI ... or if video editing is your thing then try porting the Emulex or Qlogic FC boards (Emulex and QLC are quite happy to release development information, but don't expect it to be easy :-)
Regards
Mark
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 42 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Chip on 22-Aug-2002 12:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Mark Smith):
Said this a people, who has never used any kind of SCSI stuff...
Don't turn it to SCSI<->IDE flame pls!
Why On Board? Because you can spare PCI slots, and it's easyer to write only one driver than writing 100 pieces and half of them are buggy shit. On Board case, you need to concetntrate only one type, and maybe that will be stable and good.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 43 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Smith on 22-Aug-2002 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Chip):
:-) Never used SCSI hmmm ....
Bugger! I'd better give up my job as a "Storage Support Administrator" and stop looking after the 120Tb of data storage (growing at a rate of 40% every 6 months), 40 SAN switches, 8 LTO libraries and miles of fiber cable spanning the UK then! And I must have imagined the 6 years I've spent in other audio/video editing and storage roles I've been in!
Sheesh! I need therapy if I think I know all that but don't really .. thanks for pointing it out to me! :-)
I wasn't trying to start an IDE vs SCSI debate, IDE is best for desktop machines, SCSI is good for small servers, workstations and small video editing platforms and Fibre Channel is for larger servers, higher end video editing and LAN free backup.
The AmigaOne is not going to anything other than a desktop machine and maybe the low end video editing because it doesn't have the grunt or resiliency for anything else, so why have SCSI on it ? IDE is much more suitable.
My 2pence worth.
Mark
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 44 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by sutro on 22-Aug-2002 14:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Mark Smith):
Sorry, you are wrong. There are many who would rather use SCSI devices in their AmigaOne's instead of IDE, never mind having both. Having options is always good.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 45 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 22-Aug-2002 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (derf):
Many hoops to disable onboard stuff ? It's either a jumper or an option in BIOS. Not hard.
Although I prefer motherboards with as little onboard as possible, because I like to choose exactly what goes into my systems and be able to change everything on a moments notice.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 46 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 22-Aug-2002 15:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 ([JC]):
i agree these days it is that simple, but it didnt used to be, and i have had enough troubles to put me off. IMHO on board sound is the worst, but i am speaking from a PC mobo background.
for the other post, extras things on board add cost, and as i may not use them i dont like this. Also stops me having the hardware i want, as then i have to pay out more money to upgrade.
seeing as this is a new mobo, i really dont think im going to fill all those pci slots, as there isnt that much to use in the first place, but i would like to chose from the small selection myself in the first place, and not pay for something i will never use.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 47 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 22-Aug-2002 16:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (derf):
Yeah, on board sound is usually rubbish due to all the digital interference present on the mainboard, but these days basic onboard sound is usually part of the chipset southbridge anyway and adding it doesn't add much if anything to the boards price.
Plus it's a handy backup should you have soundcard trouble, or if you really badly need an extra line in :)
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 48 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Smith on 22-Aug-2002 18:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (sutro):
OK fair enough choice is a good thing.
But why would you want to pay 50% more for a SCSI disk when the IDE one will perform in an identical manner ? Not to mention that the SCSI card will cost you about 50% more than the IDE card ? And SCSI cabling will cost you a LOT more, then you have to worry about correct termination ?
IDE is in low end computers for a reason .. it's low end gear, it's easy and for mere mortals there is no gain in going SCSI.
What is this Amiga obcession of spending lots of money ? :-)
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 49 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 22-Aug-2002 18:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
" The fact that they are hijacking other people's names and trademarks on Google should make that abudantly clear. "
Please.. could someone tell me that this BenHermans guy is just a Joke, that he has actually nothing to do with Hyperion or Any AmigaOS development whatsoever?
If he does.. I'll start asking refund from my promiced OS4 cause I really don't want to have anything that has even been near of him. I can see that he's not capable of coding or creating usefull stuff on his own, but even him visiting the same room with those coders is unfortunately enough to spoil the product for good.
As I said on another list.. We have had enough off this WWE (formelly known as WWF) quality hullaballoo around Amiga. It's time to move on, to get something done.
SCSI for your AmigaONE ?? : Comment 50 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Fernando Solidoro Tricarico on 22-Aug-2002 19:55 GMT
Good, good, goooood !!!!!
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