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Posted on 22-Aug-2002 10:52 GMT by Senex55 comments
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Pictures from the Slach4-Party, where the "Betatesters" were demonstrated.
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 1 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 22-Aug-2002 09:33 GMT
Would be interesting to see some screengrabs?
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 2 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 22-Aug-2002 10:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Jon):
I don't think you really need screen shots , just imagine a workbench but kinda MUI looking that'll do ... oh and a pill related or escaping the bad amiga inc background/wall paper and your set ;)
On a serious note .. Nice towers , but you may want to use some tables on those pictures.
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 3 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by john on 22-Aug-2002 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (cOrpse):
I also agree that screenshots are quite necessary. It would at least show some kind of completeness. Maybe screenshots don't give a true representation of how finished/stable a product is, but it'd be a darn sight better that pictures of the back of peoples heads!
-john
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Posted by XTACY on 22-Aug-2002 12:09 GMT
Gosh !
Hey guys, haven't you read the subject ? "Pictures from Slach Party 4", so it's normal to see pictures with people everywhere gaining around the Betatesters ! Yep... the website should have had more screenshots or more grabs, but for what ? If you wanna really see a Pegasos running at full speed, just go to the next party in September at Tain L'Hermitage in France. You'll enjoy the computer as I enjoy when I test it. Trust me, you don't need to see any Pegasos to understand that it really kicks !
Anyway, I'm very pleased to see all these pictures and especially from the Thendic-France's stand. Indeed, Slach Party 4 was really good and the Betatesters made the party unforgettable.
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 5 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 22-Aug-2002 12:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (XTACY):
Come on..I'll fly to France immediately when you will pay my ticket..must have been a nice show, smiling people etc..but screenshots wouldn't hurt. Please add them if possible?
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 6 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2002 12:44 GMT
Look at this, MOS news and no one has poisoned the comments! Keep this in mind next time there is A1/OS4 news.
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 7 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 22-Aug-2002 12:54 GMT
nice...looked quite professional.... but wasnt this a 'party' too? it looked
a little.....hmm, whats the word... clinical. factory line. drone?
anyway, systems looked nice. the screenshots (yes, you can see the screen
in some shots...and screenshots never capture speed anyway) looked okay too
(though i've seen MorphOS pics like that before).
so, how many betatesters left with systems that day?
alan
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 8 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2002 13:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (alan buxey):
>nice...looked quite professional.... but wasnt this a 'party' too? it looked
>a little.....hmm, whats the word... clinical. factory line. drone?
Yeah what party?:-P Where's the booze? Where's the topless girls? Where's the druk guy running around with a lamp shade on his head? Looks more like a class than a party;-)
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 9 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by ABM$ on 22-Aug-2002 13:02 GMT
How about someone who was actually there posting
something like a show report (& MOS fans, try and
use a little candor - almost knowone in the Amiga
market will buy into gushing show reports any more-
we've been burned to many times already).
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 10 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 22-Aug-2002 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
the song goes "amiga users just want to have fun , play stunt car racer and get very drunk" doesn't say anything about mos users so i suppose they don't count ;)
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Posted by the man in the shadows on 22-Aug-2002 14:30 GMT
You know, without an official list of features and missing screenshots I lost interest in the "betatester" system the instant it was announced. Perhaps if the MorphOS crew would lock the feature list down and post it on the web site somewhere along with some good looking screenshots (minus background images), I may have an interest in their yet to be released product. Perhaps a feature list that compares MorphOS to OS4 would be good as well since that is the main competing product of MorphOS (whether they will admit to it or not).
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 12 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 22-Aug-2002 14:44 GMT
I understand that people want screenshots, but really, it doesn't say much.
It depends more on what images you put in for backgrounds, window
borders/buttons and such, and not much on the system itself. Well there are
some nice things related to icon drag&drop and a few other details, but I
think a feature list would say much more than any screenshot. Besides, it's
not ready yet, and in this case, the visual stuff wasn't the first thing that
was implemented (that's a nice way of saying it is one of the last things, and not yet
100% finished in all details).
I guess I can't tell you anything more, since I'm sort of under NDA (although the above could have been reported by any visitor to the Slach party).
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 13 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by yoodoo on 22-Aug-2002 16:14 GMT
Am I the only person who'd quite like to have both AmigaOne and Pesgasos?
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 14 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Rafo on 22-Aug-2002 16:18 GMT
One betatester was won there, and one was bought.
The buyer got out with the Betatester serial # : 000 000 001
I really doubt anyone here and at many other places can say they ever bought the 1st serial number of ANY product.
Way to go Zener !
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 15 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Rafo on 22-Aug-2002 16:18 GMT
One betatester was won there, and one was bought.
The buyer got out with the Betatester serial # : 000 000 001
I really doubt anyone here and at many other places can say they ever bought the 1st serial number of ANY product.
Way to go Zener !
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 16 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Mikael Burman on 22-Aug-2002 16:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (yoodoo):
No... I would like to have Shark, A1 and Pegasos, in the given order... :)
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 17 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2002 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Rafo):
They have quite much betatesting to do if they plan to sell another 999,999,998...
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 18 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 22-Aug-2002 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Well, at least Thendic seem to have considerable number (based on those pictures; more than ten, I was not on site) of those machines ready waiting buyers and developers. I hope they have send machines to key developers before that party.
It's many times more than AmigaOne machines ever been shown to public. To best of my knowledge there have been Max 2 of them on each occasion.. I'm quite sure they are not the same two travelling around the world from one show to next, but still it's quite a small number.
Anyway.. they are both late (some more than others) and there are still no releaseable OS:es (Hey.. If I ever want Linux, I have PC:s for that) available for use. So, we must keep on waiting. And by the way, Did I say I hate NDA:s?
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 19 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2002 20:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (JoannaK):
"Did I say I hate NDAs?"
Actually I'm not sure you ever have said that before, at least on ANN. I respect you more than ever for just saying that. Too many Amigans are playing along with a "let's pretend" NDA game that is harmful to the community.
Recent examples: For six weeks A1 "testers" dropped hints that the AmigaOne boards were in the country and that hundreds of people would soon have one. The NDA controlled list allowed Eyetech to persuade customers that it was in their best interests to pretend that all was well, when in fact Eyetech had screwed up badly and shipments even of developer boards promised for April, would ultimately be delayed by many months.
Six months ago when I spoke out against AmigaDE propaganda, I was told that my arguments would soon be moot because Amiga expected to release dozens of new products for DE including productivity software. I was told that dozens of applications were undergoing beta testing, and that the Nokia deal was bringing more developers to DE. On each occasion I was told that I could see plenty of evidence to support these claims, but only if I signed an NDA agreeing not to tell other people what I'd seen.
Six months later I know what I would have seen: empty promises from Bill, Gary and Fleecy. The DE advocates are still here, and they say still there are dozens of unnamed applications undergoing beta testing at Amiga Inc, but I assert that the burden of proof is on THEM now, not on me. Your applications do not exist, your NDAs were written to cover up lies and half-truths.
It also strikes me as odd that all the DE developers who have had apps distributed by Amiga (the distribution agreement they sign is so secret that you must sign an NDA just to find out the terms of the agreement) and who rarely update their web sites even to announce that their products are delayed or cancelled, quickly found time after the AmigaAnywhere announcement to pledge their undying allegiance to Amiga and their love of the PocketPC platform. Spontaneous expressions of support, or contractual obligation? You decide.
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Posted by StAn on 22-Aug-2002 20:16 GMT
Four betatesters were bought at the party.. not one.
There were 15 Pegasos at the party place. (I wasn't there but that's what I read)
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 21 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2002 20:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (StAn):
How many visitors?
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 22 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 22-Aug-2002 20:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
Can I join the "we hate NDAs" party too?
As one of those people who paid for the SDK only to be refused updates because I won't sign an NDA agreement which is so nebulous I wouldn't even know what I'm signing up to, I'm getting the very distinct feeling that a number of companies have been recently using NDAs not to prevent competitors from getting sensitive information or technology, but to simply hide their own shortcomings.
NDAs can have their place in certain situations, but people who are asket to BUY a product should not be made to sign NDAs too. But then, I'm one of those people who thinks asking beta-testers to PAY for the priviledge is a sure sign of an industry going down the toilet, particularly when the testers are "chosen" according to the money they are prepared to part with rather than what they are able to contribute in the role.
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 23 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Gareth Knight on 22-Aug-2002 20:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (StAn):
Am I the only one who becomes confused when 'betatesters' are mentioned? I imagine them to be actual people, not the machines themselves. Comment 15 gave me a mental picture of someone taking a betatester home:
"Yes, I won a betatester. His name is Bob. He sits around coding all day and orders pizza."
Can we refer to them as beta test units?
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 24 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 22-Aug-2002 21:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Gareth Knight):
"Am I the only one who becomes confused when 'betatesters' are mentioned? I imagine them to be actual people, not the machines themselves. Comment 15 gave me a mental picture of someone taking a betatester home:"
I get confused also , because this is the first time in history i've seen people *PAY* to be beta testers , you've all been fooled , they should be paying you !
"Yes, I won a betatester. His name is Bob. He sits around coding all day and orders pizza."
Nah he's called Jon , he sits on you desk munching blue pills and toking on his bong and then sleeps in a dog basket under you desk.
"Can we refer to them as beta test units?"
Hell lets call them amigaOne-billmcewen-benhermans-etc-etc's , thats what googles calling um these days ;).
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 25 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Jack Me on 22-Aug-2002 21:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Rafo):
So the 15 other Betatesters that were sold at that other party didn't have serial numbers then?
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 26 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 22-Aug-2002 21:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Bill Hoggett):
I think that you should separate *consumers* from developers/betatesters/"people that are ready to sign an agreement to be able to find out what's 'under the hood'". When consumers buy products, they shouldn't have to sign a Non Disclosure Agreement (and they don't have to), but NDA's are perfectly OK when a company needs to keep a business plan - or components thereof - as a secret, but still needs to distribute components as hardware/software/ideas outside their own R&D department (NDA-like agreements are oftenly used inhouse aswell). NDA's allways aims to prevent *any* information about *anything* leaking out to *anyone*. If you can't accept this (that is: shut your mouth about *everything*!), then you shouldn't sign the NDA. And if you can't promise to keep your mouth shut about *everything* regarding that non-released secret product, then you should wait until it's released in public to consumers, and be happy with that.
Regarding paying for the "under-NDA-released-products": There are always costs involved with producing and deliverying products, and I would never expect to recieve a complete set of hardware (and software) *for free*, just because I sign a NDA! And I would never expect to be able to speak freely about something *secret*, just because I paid some money for it!
The industry hasn't gone down the toilet - it hasn't even started yet! That's why NDA's are needed.
/takemehomegrandma - Actually sitting here with two freshly printed copies of a NDA from Thendic-France right now, with a pen in my hand, and ready to *shut my mouth* from the moment I sign them!
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 27 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2002 22:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (takemehomegrandma):
We are several who have looked forward to that matey ;9
Anyway.. to the guy further up who complained about NDAs, SDAs etc.. I've signed both and I have no obligations to say anything about anything. I can also discuss pretty much whatever I want, as long as I'm not disclosing any business secrets of Amiga Inc/third parties.
Bill: You shouldn't worry about signing the NDA. In Real Life(TM) what does it mean to you? Not much I should hope. You wouldn't want to run off telling Bad Guys info that is not publicly available yet, right? If not, you have nothing to worry about, but are just missing out on talking with other Amiga developers.
Amiga Inc. has a steady flow of updates for SDA developers, and as they've been tested by these they are made available for NDA developers.
To the naysayers I say this: Stop your whining. Eventually you will see results, and even if you don't (but you will) you can just go on being happy using whatever other alternative solution you want.
P.S. paying for this betatesting thing is sick.
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 28 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 22-Aug-2002 23:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
is it as sick as paying to be in some club and for a tshit
Arent' u paying to be betatester with Amino since you paid 100 bucks for an adk that was alpha at best and to get updates you have to sign an exlusive sales distro with Amino.
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 29 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 23-Aug-2002 00:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (cheesegrate):
I think he is complaining about that particular point.
I have the same complaint.
The product I bought from AmigaInc (SDK, then party pack) is not different from the TAO free Intent. I may access to Amiga stuff if I sign a NDA/SDA.
It is not smart to restrict the access of these technologies to someone who already paid for two products. Specialy when you want to have a big developer base. IMHO the SDK should have been free and Amiga would have much more applications today that would mkae them having more OEM contract and more royalties.
For the AmigaOne. Well you paid and you have hardware that you can use to run Linux until you have AmigaOS4 running on AmigaOne. That's why I will have AmigaOS4 first on my 4000 and then check later the Amigaone XE.
For the Pegasos Betatester you have the hardware and the OS in a usable state to run most of your applications. Of course it is not like having a commercial version but it is still better than having no AmigaOS compatible system.
You can also wait and not sign any NDA. Waiting is also a good solution to compair all the solutions.
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 30 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 23-Aug-2002 01:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (cheesegrate):
"is it as sick as paying to be in some club and for a tshit"
Your not really paying for the tshirt or club , you get your money back at a later stage . The money aspect is simply for amiga inc to say " look , we got 1000 people to put cash down on a software product they haven't even seen yet and a hardware platform that could be months away from final production " that says alot to developers ... Its says we're f*cking crazy , but devoted.
"Arent' u paying to be betatester with Amino since you paid 100 bucks for an adk that was alpha at best and to get updates you have to sign an exlusive sales distro with Amino."
If you feel that strongly against buying it , you could always download a warez version of it ( not promoting piracy ; proving a point ) , yes it has got into the warez community , but then your not going to get goodies from Tao / Amiga ... Just like you don't get tech support for warez'd OS'.
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Posted by cheesegrate on 23-Aug-2002 01:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (cOrpse):
Eh? sorry what people payed 100 bucks for and had to sign an nds to get updated to the latest TAO version from Amino, Tao was giving it away on a magazine for 5 bucks.
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Posted by cheesegrate on 23-Aug-2002 01:18 GMT
And we're not even geting into the non existant upgrades for party pack owners..
But this has been discussed elsewhere. Now back on topic. those pics look pretty good ;)
I wonder if os4 for amiga one will make it for december as well. There will def be a Cyberstorm version by then ;)
May the best prodcut win. !
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 33 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 23-Aug-2002 03:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (yoodoo):
no.
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Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2002 06:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (ABM$):
correction you have been burnt but the idiots at so called amiga, hyperion, and eyetech. The pegasos has been shown to be excellent and alot have been shown as ready. Cant say the same for the so called a1. They have shown it live and other places. They where to show it on German tv. The lies that AMiga propogated along with hyperion and eytech didnt allow that. Dont worry they will go on and advertise in germany and other countries to.
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 35 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2002 06:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (the man in the shadows):
You are way out in left field they have done so fro such a long time its not even funny. Dam shame that the so called amgia community has gone to the shitter.
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 36 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Joannak on 23-Aug-2002 07:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Bill Hoggett):
> Can I join the "we hate NDAs" party too?
Be free.. I'm not collecting any $$$
I hate NDA:s mostly cause I don't belive they are necessary in most cases. Like those things I do for living. If they really were worth that much secrecy, they really should pay me a LOT more :)
> As one of those people who paid for the SDK only to be refused updates
> because I won't sign an NDA agreement which is so nebulous I wouldn't
> even know what I'm signing up to, I'm getting the very distinct
> feeling that a number of companies have been recently using NDAs
> not to prevent competitors from getting sensitive information or
> technology, but to simply hide their own shortcomings.
Not saying anythign about certain product that I have signed NDA and got updates, it's common knowledge that many of those 'secret products' suck quite badly and they don't want their future-inverstors to know this until it's way too late.
> NDAs can have their place in certain situations, but people
> who are asket to BUY a product should not be made to sign NDAs
> too. But then, I'm one of those people who thinks asking
> beta-testers to PAY for the priviledge is a sure sign of an
> industry going down the toilet, particularly when the testers
> are "chosen" according to the money they are prepared to part
> with rather than what they are able to contribute in the role.
Excatly that happened to A-one 'open' developer sales. I have been watchin that with some interest some time now (and got flamed on A-one list for asking obvious questions). They did get quite nice number of testers but only few of them are are actually adwanced and interested enough to be any help on Real testing. And those few I have seen writing on that list (and here) are not the kind of material I would have chosen (if I had had a choise that is).
And yes, Eyetech covered everything under NDA as soon as things started to gone haywire. Those 'final' boards were annnounced and sold on public website, their delivery time was public info and announced on their own website. But, since that day went by, everything has been under NDA... No-one is allowed to talk about actual deliveries, number of boards made etc. And askign these makes one instant flame-target.
And now this another company is selling these pre-boxed boards with NDA.s atop. Ah well, if we were talking about military tech or trillion$$$ research here I might understand, but some lowtech home computers (for few thousand users?) that should have been available years ago.
I think I'll wait and see what comes available for real. Spending 1000 or more Euros to some system that I can't get any info is not my king of hobby.
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 37 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 23-Aug-2002 08:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
> "Did I say I hate NDAs?"
> Actually I'm not sure you ever have said that before, at least on ANN.
> I respect you more than ever for just saying that. Too many Amigans
> are playing along with a "let's pretend" NDA game that is harmful
> to the community.
Could have been I have said tha on another list or in Irc..
> Six months ago when I spoke out against AmigaDE propaganda,
> I was told that my arguments would soon be moot because Amiga
> expected to release dozens of new products for DE including
> productivity software. I was told that dozens of applications
> were undergoing beta testing,
Somehow I remember there have been dozens of applications to DE in testing as long as I have been reading abut it. Allways new 'secret' partners and upcoming devices for wide DE usage base. So far, none of those have appeared.
> Six months later I know what I would have seen: empty promises from
> Bill, Gary and Fleecy. The DE advocates are still here, and they say
> still there are dozens of unnamed applications undergoing beta
> testing at Amiga Inc, but I assert that the burden of proof is on
> THEM now, not on me. Your applications do not exist, your NDAs
> were written to cover up lies and half-truths.
Can't tell you what I have seen (NDA you know :) .. But what I have not seen is painfully obvious. None of those publicly announced things have so far reached markets. Ok, one can purchase DE-player for CE-pda but that's not the issue. There should be multiple different manufacturers making lots and lots of devices with DE preinstalled. Makes you wonder why they did not do it?, why fall back from such a good system.
> It also strikes me as odd that all the DE developers who have had
> apps distributed by Amiga (the distribution agreement they sign
> is so secret that you must sign an NDA just to find out the
> terms of the agreement)
I think that deal is modelled after those games distribution deals for GameConsoles. Those are 100% monopolistic as there is only one havign rights to deliver content and decide what's allowed and what's not. (don't have seen those though.. so just quessing)
I don't know about others but I whould not sign a distribution deal with company without checking first they actually do have interest and means of making it success.
> and who rarely update their web sites even to announce that their
> products are delayed or cancelled, quickly found time after the
> AmigaAnywhere announcement to pledge their undying allegiance to
> Amiga and their love of the PocketPC platform. Spontaneous expressions
> of support, or contractual obligation? You decide.
Hope of better future perhaps? I really don't know, but somehow I can't belive they could be forced to make such statements. OTOH it might be bad for upcoming business to angry those who are responsible of selling yout product :)
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Aug-2002 09:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (cOrpse):
Well, you betatest AND get a full product afterwards, which you would get at
the same price. You had to pay to test WinXP too iirc.
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 39 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 23-Aug-2002 09:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
Do you own Pegasos? Do you use MOS? On PPC? Seen ever any of these?
Just want to know because usually you are just talking a lot of crap.
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 40 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Aug-2002 11:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Jon):
I don't own a Pegasos, sadly, but I run MorphOS, latest.
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Posted by amigammc on 23-Aug-2002 12:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (cheesegrate):
The one TAO was giving on a magazine doesn't even get close, so check your sources before speaking. On top of that you don't get any kind of support, while purchasing the original from Amiga there's always somebody 24/7 willing to answer your questions as developer
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Posted by the man in the shadows on 23-Aug-2002 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
> You are way out in left field they have done so fro such a long time its not
> even funny. Dam shame that the so called amgia community has gone to the
> shitter.
Give me a link on www.morphos.de so I can STFU, otherwise STFU for you don't have a clue what you are talking about. I scoured their site, there's no such feature list to be found posted publically on www.morphos.de. The readme part of the downloadable 0.4 version of MorphOS is out of date and extremely incomplete/lacking. If I am to buy into their product, I have to know what it is they sell prior to my forking money over.
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 43 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 23-Aug-2002 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Alkis, I didn't reply to you, but to that idiot from 12.something who appears from time to time :)
I know that you (Alkis) know about MOS/Pegasos more than many here..
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 44 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 23-Aug-2002 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
@Anonymous (217.39.11.230)
Hello MOLE! You jackass, if you must be a mole get your story right. Thanks for making the list quiet **** for brains.
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 45 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by dromloa on 23-Aug-2002 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (redrumloa):
And you are a moderator of amiga.org, right?
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 46 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 23-Aug-2002 16:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (dromloa):
So? I'm not supposed to have an opinion? This guy has been spreading half truths with information that is supposed to remain on the closed list. His only porpose is to spread half-truths and smear campaign against Eyetech et all, thus ruining the closed list for the rest of us. Maybe I shouldn't have used the work jac**** in respect to CK, but that is far nicer than what you normally see posted in here.
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 47 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 23-Aug-2002 16:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (dromloa):
I suppose I should be hiding like a coward behind anonymous postings like you eh?
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Posted by JoannaK on 23-Aug-2002 17:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (redrumloa):
Hmm.. Somehow I'm happy I'm not in any 'SuperSecret' mailing list.. I would go crazy while listening people like you in there.
What I see in post 19 is quite common knowledge.. Nothing new or secret. So why have you yell about that? Too much delays and too little medication?
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Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 23-Aug-2002 17:31 GMT
Yes, betatester machines have been sent to some developers, of course.
Now, about NDA's: I also have a problem with NDA's. I haven't actually
read the betatester NDA (I've only seen it in French, which doesn't
really tell me much). But in any case I think it's reasonable that
betatesters (the people ;) shouldn't distribute f ex internal lists of
known bugs, or every little bit of "gossip", or such.
About paying for betatesting: Well, no one forces you to buy a
machine. If you think it's a bad deal, don't buy one. If you've waited
for a machine like this for years and can't wait to get your hands on
one, why not? The hardware is complete, the software will be updated.
Also I think it's worth noting that it's partly a matter of honesty
what you call "beta" and what you call "consumer release".
Pictures from the Slach4-Party : Comment 50 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 23-Aug-2002 18:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (JoannaK):
>I would go crazy while listening people like you in there.
People like me? That's funny.
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