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[Web] User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery UpdateANN.lu
Posted on 25-Aug-2002 02:16 GMT by Andreas Magerl16 comments
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Today we Update the User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery on the Amiga Future Homepage.

You find the new pictures at the end on the gallery

http://www.amigafuture.de/interactive/workbench.php

User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery Update : Comment 1 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 25-Aug-2002 13:32 GMT
Wb-grabs are often very lame.. What's the point when people just put a cool picture in the background and have some icons on top of it?
User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery Update : Comment 2 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Kulwant Bhogal on 27-Aug-2002 09:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anders Kjeldsen):
1. It can show how creative some Amiga users are.
2. It can be the source of inspiration for some to improve their own WB.
3. It can sometimes be the first time you can see how a certain utility etc
looks like in action without loading it onto your own system.
4. You can sometimes see a new utility in action that you didn't even know
existed. That is why it is good if the owner lists all s/w, patches etc running.
Regards,
Kulwant
User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery Update : Comment 3 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 27-Aug-2002 09:40 GMT
That's the way I heard about VisualPrefs, Birdie, Magellan etc..free promoting for the software authors and inspirates you to tune the gray colors off the screen :)
User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery Update : Comment 4 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Josef Bauschenn on 28-Aug-2002 02:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anders Kjeldsen):
WB grabs are great way to show the amiga running as a MODERN OS which it still is even though it 10+ years old. Run a background like those pictures on your Win XP box 700 Intel P3/256 RAM and then run 2-3 tasks. Count the minutes till an app faults due to poor co-operative multitasking. And whalla Reboot..
User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery Update : Comment 5 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 28-Aug-2002 06:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Josef Bauschenn):
PC’s today are so unstable, well I have put to getter my tow times every time I have trusted my self to know how that I expect sell this kind of things should have, and every time I say that I like to have the most stable hardware and every time they select hardware fanes for me that are under dimensioned for my tower system, my CPU run about 60 degrees when in BIOS it probably rises when playing games or more CPU demanding tasks to about 90 when I have closed my tower, After removing the side panel of the tower it stop crashing… the secede thing that makes PC crash is PCI Latency, IRQ sharing, AGP driving value, and RAM timing values, where do even get the product information you need to set this tings right, Vga palette snoop and memory shadow, memory gap, and chase settings.
The funny thing is that this is what Amiga users like upgrade there Amiga to, hardware hell.
User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery Update : Comment 6 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 28-Aug-2002 16:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Josef Bauschenn):
I couldn't disagree more :)
A screenshot doesn't say much about whether an OS is modern or not, and AmigaOS3.x isn't modern :) My PC can run for several weeks without rebooting. My amiga is rebooted several times each time I'm using it particulary.
My point was: I think screenshots are lame when they only show a background image.
User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery Update : Comment 7 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Lando / Trinity on 28-Aug-2002 21:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anders Kjeldsen):
>A screenshot doesn't say much about whether an OS is modern or not,
>and AmigaOS3.x isn't modern :)
Yeah... Maybe Hyperion should increase the boot time fivefold for OS4 and bung a 980MB "bloat.dat" file on the CD so that we can all have an OS as fantastic and modern as Windows. Oh, and make all the gui stuff about 10x slower too. That would rule.
>My PC can run for several weeks without rebooting.
You're either lying, lucky, or you dont actually run anything on your PC.
>My amiga is rebooted several times each time I'm using it particulary.
Eh? Why? What're you doing to it?
User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery Update : Comment 8 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 28-Aug-2002 22:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Lando / Trinity):
> Yeah... Maybe Hyperion should increase the boot time fivefold for OS4
> and bung a 980MB "bloat.dat" file on the CD so that we can all have an
> OS as fantastic and modern as Windows. Oh, and make all the gui stuff
> about 10x slower too. That would rule.
That is a popular reply to any suggestion that AmigaOS isn't modern, but it ignores all the things AmigaOS doesn't do at all, never mind slowly.
He's right. AmigaOS 3.x is anything but modern. Yes it's fast, and it was fairly advanced for the early nineties, but it's seriously showing its age ten years later, updates and boing bags notwithstanding.
>> My PC can run for several weeks without rebooting.
> You're either lying, lucky, or you dont actually run anything on your PC.
...or he's running a stable OS on it. PCs are not inherently unstable unless your hardware is broken. It's running dodgy or misconfigured software that makes them crash.
>> My amiga is rebooted several times each time I'm using it particulary.
> Eh? Why? What're you doing to it?
Trying new software on it? Developing software? Both will bring your AmigaOS crashing down with monotonous regularity.
Isn't it spooky that my PC is far more stable running AmigaOS than my Amigas ever were?
User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery Update : Comment 9 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 29-Aug-2002 03:29 GMT
Hmm..I didn't know that XP has a co-operative multitasking. Live and learn :)
Out of interest..what if an application in Amithlon crashes, or AmigaOS in Amithlon crashes, then what happens? I have never used Amithlon..
Yes, AmigaOS 3.x isn't modern these days, flexible and fast yes. Even AmigaOS developers think so (see comp.sys.amiga.misc).
But I have high hopes in AmigaOS 4, and yes, maybe in MorphOS too..waiting excited :)
User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery Update : Comment 10 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Andy Hall on 29-Aug-2002 04:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Bill Hoggett):
In Reply to Comment 7:
>That is a popular reply to any suggestion that AmigaOS isn't modern, but it
>ignores all the things AmigaOS doesn't do at all, never mind slowly.
I agree that there are some changes needed to AmigaOS (mainly MP, VP), however what can Windows do that would account for the x00MB size difference?
>> My amiga is rebooted several times each time I'm using it particulary.
> Eh? Why? What're you doing to it?
>Trying new software on it? Developing software? Both will bring your AmigaOS
>crashing down with monotonous regularity.
Don't forget that all AmigaOS3.5+ or PPC amigas need to reboot at least once to apply rom patches that are required.
>Isn't it spooky that my PC is far more stable running AmigaOS than my Amigas >ever were?
It would be even more spooky if it was haunted by the ghost of Old Man Withers :)
User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery Update : Comment 11 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 29-Aug-2002 05:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Andy Hall):
It’s common that Amiga users do not know all the things that Windows can do, that AmigaOS can not, most Amiga users ignore this as they do not have need for most of this things as long as they run non memory aggressive programs and only use the most stable programs you get for Amiga, how ever this is old news and we need to smoothly move on legacy of the old os to some thing new.
I thing the most interesting thins about AmigsOS4.0 is the memory protection and the automatic stack enlargement, when this is implemented then the number of crashes is going to go down dramatically on new programs and beta programs are no longer going to bring the system down.
As we are moving away from the 68k world we my know that 68k programs is going to be the most unstable programs on AmigaOS4.0 this doe to the way the old 68k programs handles the operating system, and the fact of missing hardware emulation of costume chips, how many working 68k programs out of 100, that is going to work is yet to be seen.
User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery Update : Comment 12 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 29-Aug-2002 06:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Jon):
> Out of interest..what if an application in Amithlon crashes, or AmigaOS
> in Amithlon crashes, then what happens? I have never used Amithlon..
Same as on a real Amiga, you get a reset of the virtual Amiga. In rarer cases the emulation itself may crash which will require a reset of the PC itself.
The only reasonable explanation I can think of for Amithlon being stabler than the Amigas is in the increased hardware resources and non-dependence on the old and possibly dodgy hardware add-ons which are invariably present on Classic Amigas there days.
User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery Update : Comment 13 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Andy Hall on 29-Aug-2002 16:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Kjetil):
>It’s common that Amiga users do not know all the things that Windows can do,
>that AmigaOS can not, most Amiga users ignore this as they do not have need
>for most of this things as long as they run non memory aggressive programs and
>only use the most stable programs you get for Amiga, how ever this is old news
>and we need to smoothly move on legacy of the old os to some thing new.
I'm very well aware of what Windows does. I've used every version since 3.0 up to XP. I've administrated on large NT and 2000 networks. My point was that there isn't any justification for the size or complexity of Windows. It'll be interesting to see how large OS4 will be, as it will (hopefully) get us quite a way along the road towards a modern OS.
User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery Update : Comment 14 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 30-Aug-2002 06:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Andy Hall):
Point taken! And I agree
Well the difference between AmigaOS and Windows after installations is that windows uses 250 megs to just install files, then there is the mpeg presentation clips and x number of windows themes and silly sound that comes with windows the there is the fact that most windows programs is not programmed in C, they are programmed in virtual basic, they tend to be bigger in terms of size. Imagine every Amiga program made in AMOS basic.
Don’t worry we are getting there os3.1 came on 5 discs os3.5 comes on CD, OS4.0 on DVD ?
:o)
Well I hate themes if I like sine up my desktop, the I is it better to make one my self or download one I liken then having many unwonted themes I don’t like pre installed.
I hope Amiga do some thing new how about having the drivers at Amiga Inc and just basic or most conmen drivers just to get Internet starting on the CD, this way you get the new drivers every time you reinstall the system. And you do not fill up your hard drive with drivers. And this can give Amiga Inc control over piracy on nice way.
And on presentations clips way not and option to delete / uninstalled them after viewed.
User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery Update : Comment 15 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Sep-2002 22:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Jon):
yeah its just like 3.11
User-Workbench-Screenshot Gallery Update : Comment 16 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Sep-2002 22:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Bill Hoggett):
Isn't it spooky that my PC is far more stable running AmigaOS than my Amigas ever were?
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