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[News] New AMiGA AssociationANN.lu
Posted on 25-Aug-2002 20:15 GMT by reflect26 comments
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A new Swedish Amiga Association has just started in the Gothenburg area. For now, the pages are currently only available in Swedish, but due to the number of people on ANN that are Swedish (or knows the language), this one is for you.
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New AMiGA Association : Comment 1 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 25-Aug-2002 23:08 GMT
comment in swedish:
Trevligt, ska kolla lite mer. Såg er "i optimize 4 noone" och var tvungen att kolla koden lite, tog mig en titt på http://validator.w3.org/ och den returnerar en hel del fel, att justera htmlkoden så den blir helt okej brukar gå väldigt snabbt, och då är man ganska säker på att ingen browser råkar stanna upp någonstans. Dessutom blir det ju lättare för en själv att hålla koll på koden. Bl.a. fanns en:
font .... /center ... /font
vilket väl inte är alltför snyggt. Nåja, bara ett tips. Ska som sagt kolla lite på själva innehållet på sidan oxå ;)
New AMiGA Association : Comment 2 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 26-Aug-2002 03:23 GMT
Too bad Gothenburgh is so far away from Linköping... :-(
New AMiGA Association : Comment 3 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 26-Aug-2002 05:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Samface):
Start a campaign for a high speed rail network.
New AMiGA Association : Comment 4 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 26-Aug-2002 10:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Don Cox):
Well, there is one called x2000 but it's expensive... :-/
New AMiGA Association : Comment 5 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 26-Aug-2002 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Hagge):
"I Optmize for noone" doesn't mean you have correct code, just that we have tested the site against lynx, mozilla, ibrowse, msie, opera, konqueror, aweb etc.
We've done a pretty extensive job to make sure that it looks fairly similar in all browsers, and I think we've succeeded.
And as long as the site looks fairly decent, I was more under the impression that the message was the important part ;)
We didn't want any 'coming soon' or any other parts of the site that doesn't function.
None of us are proffesionals, just some guys that really likes amigas.
I do hope you'll like the contents better than the code.
take care
New AMiGA Association : Comment 6 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 26-Aug-2002 12:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (reflect):
It looks OK here on Voyager 3.2
New AMiGA Association : Comment 7 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Johan "Graak" Forsberg on 26-Aug-2002 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Samface):
Bah, Linköping far from Gothenburg? It's around 700 km to Gothenburg from Strömsund (100 km north of Östersund) where I live =)
New AMiGA Association : Comment 8 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Aug-2002 13:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Don Cox):
I think the first poster's point (which I can't read in its native language) is that this page is claiming to be HTML 4 Transitional, but it's actually gibberish that just happens to work in the browsers they tried.
They even have the Any Browser link, but with the alternate text removed -- which is bit like insisting on vegetarian cheese with your Big Mac.
New AMiGA Association : Comment 9 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 26-Aug-2002 15:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
as I stated, we're not webmasters, we have an idea and we want to reach out and include others. The page doesn't "happen to work on the browsers they tried", we made it that way - we altered it many times during the test phase.
I don't really see the point to this discussion - I find it irrelevant if the page source is gibberish or not - what I do find relevant is wether or not the content is good or not.
New AMiGA Association : Comment 10 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 26-Aug-2002 18:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
No, the first posters point is (or was, if the moderator removes it
because of the "no foreign languages" rule) that the page contains
some html errors which should be easy to fix.
No one has claimed the page met any w3 guidelines.
Now, please, complain when someone doesn't even try to make a page
work with all browsers - don't complain when someone tries, but maybe
doesn't succeed quite 100%.
New AMiGA Association : Comment 11 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by k0w on 26-Aug-2002 18:52 GMT
Hallå ACG Göteborg!
Vilken kanon ide att starta upp en ny sektion av ACG i Göteborg.
Skit i dem som klagar, stå på er!
Göteborg och Sverige behöver mer sådant här!
Ha det gött!
SMF: Varför startar du inte en i Linköping? ;)
New AMiGA Association : Comment 12 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 26-Aug-2002 22:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (k0w):
Yeah, right. The only Amiga user I've ever met in Linköping just moved to Stockholm the other day. I know there used to be an Amiga usergroup in Linköping, don't know what happened to it though. It dissappeared just before I moved here... :-/
I'm sorry but Linköping seems to literally be the wrong place at the wrong time for an Amiga user these days... :-(
New AMiGA Association : Comment 13 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Aug-2002 23:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (reflect):
Well, the content claims to be HTML 4 Transitional and isn't. So it's bad.
New AMiGA Association : Comment 14 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 27-Aug-2002 00:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
I've got a radically different idea... fix it, then send the web designers your results with your explinations of what you changed. Another idea would be to create your own design, and send it in hopes they would use it with a link to your own personal pages for your efforts.
It's amazing really, the amiga community (morphos community not excluded) is comprised of roughly 80-90% whiners with the remainder who actually do something to change it (not to mention the handful who think that whining about things makes any difference). If this is reflect's first major attempt at building a web site such as "ACG Göteborg", then I'd have to say bravo for an excellent effort. It's a hell of a lot better than I could have done if it were my first attempt at building something like that; Especially when you consider I've been doing site designs for more years than most of us have fingers...
"Words only talk, but actions scream" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
New AMiGA Association : Comment 15 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Sam "Bifford the Youngest" Byford on 27-Aug-2002 04:05 GMT
I will agree that the authors Really need to buy (or even loan!) a HTML book!
They have a <BODY> tag in the <Head> </HEAD> section for goodness sakes!
However, it does appear to work (just shows you how dumb browsers on any platform actually are!) so there isnt much damage to be done.
I would say - congratulations on setting up a site that does look ok, now go and optimize the code so that it is Legal and in the meantime you will learn new code that will improove the site no end and make it "correct" at the same time.
TTFN
Bifford.
New AMiGA Association : Comment 16 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Aug-2002 04:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (the man in the shadows):
"Especially when you consider I've been doing site designs for more years than most of us have fingers"
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you mean only eight fingers. This means you're claiming to have been doing site design in August 1993 (more years than eight) which means you were working for the NCSA on the project that lead to Mosaic, the ancestor of all modern web browsers.
In that case what was your job title and who was your supervisor?
New AMiGA Association : Comment 17 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 27-Aug-2002 04:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
> I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you mean only eight fingers.
> This means you're claiming to have been doing site design in August 1993 (more years
> than eight) which means you were working for the NCSA on the project that lead to
> Mosaic, the ancestor of all modern web browsers.
>
> In that case what was your job title and who was your supervisor?
So now that someone has dared to give you slap in the face you have to get personal? Why should I ablige your request when my CV is online and available for everyone to see. Hell, most people here know that I was one of the webmasters for Gateway from 1997 to 2001, how do you think I got that job? My good looks?
New AMiGA Association : Comment 18 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by M.Andersson on 27-Aug-2002 04:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Sam "Bifford the Youngest" Byford):
Well, I think it is great that ACG Göteborg has started. As for the 'not the best html code' I could, as the "chief" of the only Swedish Amiga magazine (new issue is distributed as we speak!!!), publish a tutorial on writing html if someone else writes it... =)
I don't really have the time right now to do it myself. So if someone out there would like to make one I will gladly publish it (if it is correct) so that Amiga html-newbees can start makeing correct homepages.
/M.Andersson
New AMiGA Association : Comment 19 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 27-Aug-2002 08:27 GMT
Thanks to all the good comments, and especially thanks to someone who actually took the time to correct our code and send it in to us - you know who you are.
thanks!
New AMiGA Association : Comment 20 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Aug-2002 13:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (the man in the shadows):
You were bluffing. Fair enough, but now you've been caught and so I think you should probably stay quiet. Meanwhile those clowns have made a new version of their page that still doesn't validate.
New AMiGA Association : Comment 21 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 27-Aug-2002 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
> You were bluffing. Fair enough, but now you've been caught and so I think you
> should probably stay quiet. Meanwhile those clowns have made a new version of
> their page that still doesn't validate.
Bluffing my ass... let's see what cards you hold in your hands. And before you go on to say whether the html doesn't validate or not, look at the source and anylize it for a bit, you'll notice something about it. For one thing, it would take a customized DTD to make the page validate while still achieving the exact look they want with the support for all the browsers they put into it. Another, the use of the font tags etc can be done away with by using style and emphasis tags but that would take away the support for all of the Amiga browsers. On top of that, if you were to push the whole thing into html3.2 the table layout to stretch the whole page still wouldn't validate, no version of html would validate table height percentages. They are missing some alt tags here and there and have some depricated tags littered among the 4.01 tags but it achieves the effect they were after now doesn't it? I believe that in todays html world you have to build a hybrid of standards to support all the browsers, look at all the work I've done with Amiga.org trying to help support the ancient web technologies while still making it look modern... it's almost impossible to keep up.
Anyway, I'm through with you... can't even take the time to put up a good debate let alone help out in the community.
New AMiGA Association : Comment 22 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 27-Aug-2002 14:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
So, what have you done for the community?
Instead of nitpicking on what we do, perhaps you could show us some of your stuff? So that all the interested people could take a look at your accomplishments.
Until then, perhaps you should stay quiet.
New AMiGA Association : Comment 23 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 27-Aug-2002 22:11 GMT
This is ridiculous. Stop nitpicking about the HTML sources and focus on the content already!
/me is shaking his head in disbelief.
New AMiGA Association : Comment 24 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by bhickman on 28-Aug-2002 18:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
I can vouch for kent (alias "man in the..."), he did some of our preliminary web pages back in 1994 when we were first getting off the ground. though some of the pages were bad he hasn't done any work for us since 97, now I know why.
New AMiGA Association : Comment 25 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 28-Aug-2002 18:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (M.Andersson):
Just got Azine in my (real!) mailbox! Nice, hadn't seen that for a while ;-)
Have just decided I cannot miss going from Lund to Gothenburg to see the
AmigaONE. Got to exchange a few words with Alan Redhouse...:-)
Am I the only Amigan from Lund, reading these forums?
.
SlimJim
New AMiGA Association : Comment 26 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by M.Andersson on 29-Aug-2002 04:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (SlimJim):
"Just got Azine in my (real!) mailbox! Nice, hadn't seen that for a while ;-)"
For Azine, this was the first issue, so you haven't seen that ever (ok, it's a replacement for ACG-Bladet, but this mag has a bigger support from the different Amiga usergroups in Sweden)! =P
Now when everything starts to roll I hope I can make 4 issues/year. As we are cooperating with nearly all Amiga usergroups in Sweden I think we can reach that goal.
Anyway I hope you liked this issue...
/M.Andersson, aka Menthos
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