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[News] Morphos claims to be ready for legal actionANN.lu
Posted on 02-Sep-2002 20:06 GMT by Frans155 comments
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Amiganews.de has a link to the Morphos site where they claim to be ready if any legal action is taken against them. Morphos legal article
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Posted by JoannaK on 02-Sep-2002 18:31 GMT
Without knowing it's truthfullness (Hell I don't know what's really happned. I have just seen way too many things that have NOT happened... like product releases) I have to admit it makes more sense than those speeches given by Amiga.Inc representatives. Or most posts here in Ann.lu :)
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Posted by cOrpse on 02-Sep-2002 18:45 GMT
So basically they aren't presenting any evidence that they're in the clear , Just saying why they might be.
If you look at the one of the MPEG-4 Codecs IP cases ( can't remember the name now ) they presented decompiles of their and the people they claim are stealing their IP. These show the two are quite similar / identicle , and thats just on their website , the evidence they produce if it gets to court could be amazing ... If Amiga Inc presents this sort of strong evidence ; wheres morphOs going to hide ? The shit would literally hit the fan.
I'm not saying their in the wrong , just that its a good idea to keep quite at this stage and not dig the hole any bigger.
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Posted by Amifan on 02-Sep-2002 19:06 GMT
What's this all about anyway?
Thendic isn't targetting the Amiga market right?
And blaming poor sales/preordering/interest on being accused of stealing code is pretty cheap.
Real amiga users just aren't interrested in just another OS. They want the real thing namely AmigaOS, no matter how binairy compatible MorphOS may be.
AmigaOS4 is based based around the sourcecode of AmigaOS3.x.
Ofcourse there are a few "we had it with AmigInc" people..........but I just know that there are not many of them.
Now just hope for AmigaOS4 with an USB dongle so you can use it with the Pegasos.
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Posted by Graham on 02-Sep-2002 19:08 GMT
I thought that part of the unfair competition, etc, stuff was because MorphOS was advertising on Google using keywords based upon their competitors product names?
Anyway, I imagine we will see tomorrow if Amiga Inc. initiate any legal action against anybody. Today is Labor Day or something in America IIRC?
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Posted by David Scheibler on 02-Sep-2002 19:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Amifan):
>Thendic isn't targetting the Amiga market right
Wrong. The Amiga market is just not their only market.
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Posted by Amifan on 02-Sep-2002 19:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (David Scheibler):
That's not what Bill said David. They are not targetting the Amiga market. Their target is to create a platform to sell their upcoming Ecipsis/basestation combo.
And if they can sell a few Pegasos' in the amiga market to let them run whatever on it is fine to them. They didn't even care if the amiga user wants to run MorphOS linux or whatever on it.
But that seems to have changed lately. I noticed that Bill is becoming more hostile against AmigaInc as the weeks are passing by.
I wonder what happened behind the scene.
I guess their smelling an opportunity as AmigaInc is running out of money. Bill has a couple of spare millions to start a marketting campaign or even sue AmigaInc to death, but you can't change what amiga users want: AmigaOS4.
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Posted by tinman on 02-Sep-2002 19:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Amifan):
> what amiga users want:
> AmigaOS4
You'd find more amiga users that just want an end to the endless bullshit (it must be possible, just look at "The Neverending Story" ;)
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Posted by Frodon on 02-Sep-2002 19:54 GMT
Hello,
"They are not targetting the Amiga market."
Of course, they are targetting the MorphOS Market ;)
Regards
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Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 02-Sep-2002 20:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Amifan):
>Real amiga users just aren't interrested in just another OS.
Ah. So *you* represent *REAL AMIGA USERS* now?
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Posted by Kronos on 02-Sep-2002 20:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Jacek Piszczek):
Yeah and I thought that was Sammy's job ....
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Posted by Frans on 02-Sep-2002 20:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Amifan):
Why do so many people claim to know the financial situation of Amiga Inc. ?
Where was it made public? And don't start bringing up the coupons and club thing...
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 02-Sep-2002 20:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (cOrpse):
The case has been studied more that you might imagine...
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Posted by catohagen on 02-Sep-2002 21:05 GMT
didnt thendic remove those parasite marketing stuff on google ?
a search for amiga one and I get :
Pegasos PowerPC Computer
www.thendic-france.com G3/G4 Scalable and Upgradeable Runs linux and amiga® applications
Sponsored Link
AmigaOne : Latest News
30th May 2002: AmigaOne update. 25th April 2002: AmigaOneG3-SE dealer
list added to dealer page. ... 15th March 2002: AmigaOne update. ...
www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/ - 4k - Cached - Similar pages
its like walking in with a huge Apple Macintosh poster infront of a Microsoft
stand and screaming/yelling ?
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Posted by Frodon on 02-Sep-2002 21:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (catohagen):
Hello,
"its like walking in with a huge Apple Macintosh poster in front of a Microsoft
stand and screaming/yelling ?"
Just like Apple? :) See the Apple's Switch campaign on http://www.apple.com/switch/
Is it also parasitic marketing?? ;-)
Regards
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Posted by Anonymous on 02-Sep-2002 21:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Frodon):
wasn't that about win users tired of bsod/crashing and switched to mac ? :)
isnt exactly the same.. ?
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Posted by XTACY on 02-Sep-2002 21:32 GMT
1.Stolen code
As it is written: "it has often been said that MorphOS is based on stolen code source...". Come on guys ! Could you really build an argument in front of a justice court with a simple "it has often been said..." ? If you stand for the light, go for it and don't spam us !
2.Unfair competition
"we have a pretty strong case of anticompetitive actions performed against us". Ke Ke Ke... ^__^! What do they want ? A monopole ? If they were alone, it would have been their monopole, right ? Come on, do they really know what the words "Fair Play" means ? By the way, the "anticompetitive actions" is also because of them... Indeed, if they have a plenty functionnal AOS4, they wouldn't complain about their situation ! Que sera, sera....
a+b+c+d+e+f) bla bla bla bla bla....
"We are here and we are ready. Legal battles may not be our preferred route of action but we can most certainly perform well if needed."
I really dislike people chitchatting like that. They look like drunkards repeating always the same thing. I don't know if MorphOS is ready or not for the Fight but if "All of us" have time to chitchat like this, it would have been better for them to spend their time in the development of AOS4 instead of
barking like that !
Regards,
Xtacy
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Posted by XTACY on 02-Sep-2002 22:10 GMT
To clarify a little my previous and ambiguous post and to avoid any misunderstanding, I'd like to precise that I was only complaining about Amiga Inc saying that MorphOS was doing some parasitic marketing as they (A.Inc) do the same. They should not complain about this as they are also responsible for this situation.
By drunkards, I was speaking about people here always complaining about the same things on MorphOS (the legal stuffs)
Xtacy
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Posted by Anthony on 02-Sep-2002 22:26 GMT
Come on, that's soooo lame.
Of course they are not presending any hard evidence *here*. What did you expect? This is not a court.
Of course, Amifans are going to say that this is not backed up with evidence (as if more could be posted in a BB) while MOSfans will hail it as the legal vindication they have been expecting for(as if they really know the details of it).
Now, do *we* care about what their legal preparations are? I personally don't give a flying s*** but this is the best info that I would hope to get should I be interested.
Do they have any hard evidence? Dunno but if they trully did the research they claim (and I think they did) they must have at least something. After all,C= did publish some books containing AOS code.
All *I* want is a good PPC OS and a new system because my old Amiga is in poor shape :/
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Posted by Fabian on 03-Sep-2002 00:07 GMT
Sigh... this is pathetic. "We are gonna sue" versus "Go ahead and sue and we will sue back." Meanwhile we will get two PPC machines with a market of 2,000 units each. We will get to enjoy ports of 3 year old Linux applications which bear nothing like the Amiga of old we want again.
Of course I can dream that Thendic and Amiga Inc. sit down and come to an understanding that:
a. You can purchase either Pegasos or Amiga One and run either MorphOS or Amiga OS 4.0 on it.
b. Develope AmigaOS 4.0 as the "home" OS and have MorphOS as the "pro" OS (ala XP), then merge development down the line including DE.
c. Have Thendic become the hardware arm and Amiga remain the software arm.
Alas, that would make too much sense, and the fact that the egos in each company would rather sue into bankruptcy instead of cooperate.
Sigh.
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Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 03-Sep-2002 01:42 GMT
2000 units each? huh.. how the hell you think Amiga of Thendic could sell 2000 units .. not in my lifetime, but I'm old so maybe theres hope. Hopefully I am wrong.
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Posted by priest on 03-Sep-2002 03:13 GMT
Silly article. Targeting at MOS kult.
Successfully avoids the fact that the previous versions of MOS relied heavily on the original AmigaOS & workbench, amongs other things.
And...
"Stolen code
It has often been said that MorphOS is based on stolen source code. Why would anyone go through the trouble of stealing a code, and jeopardise his legal standing, when code sufficiently approximate has been released to the public with the blessings of the holding company? "
So they used the code, or what does this "code sufficiently approximate" mean actually/in more words?
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 03-Sep-2002 03:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (priest):
"So they used the code, or what does this "code sufficiently approximate" mean actually/in more words?"
AROS? Not that very much of AROS can be used for a final product just yet.
/Björn
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Posted by cOrpse on 03-Sep-2002 04:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anthony):
"Do they have any hard evidence? Dunno but if they trully did the research they claim (and I think they did) they must have at least something. After all,C= did publish some books containing AOS code. "
And whats the license on the code contained in the books , I bet its look and read only , not create an OS directly from this including structures and methods. Its not like I'm allowed to photocopy my books and sell them to my mates is it!
Seems to me people that claim they don't need to be are , worried that is.
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 03-Sep-2002 04:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Fabian):
What the fuck is so "pro" about MOS? Blah blah blah microkernel (we've had that for 16 YEARS already, silly. Even Windows god damn NT is microkernel based, for all the good it did them. Ok, so exec doesn't fit most of the definitions of microkernels out there, but in my humble opinion that's because most definitions of microkernels out there aren't definitions, but rather just feature lists of some microkernel or other. Whichever whay you look at it, exec is NOT a monolithic kernel, so there) blah blah MUI (I don't even LIKE MUI) blah blah blue pills (Hey, I've got ONE word for you, addict: Rohypnol) blah blah butterfly (hey, it could be DUNG BEETLES for all I would care) blah blah
So. My question:
When it's all boiled down REAL good, what's the selling points of MOS as a professional business OS, and why is it ANY better than AOS in this respect?
And DON'T even TRY to mention pills.
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Posted by cOrpse on 03-Sep-2002 04:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Ole-Egil):
"What the fuck is so "pro" about MOS?"
Its got a MUI desktop and uses CGX , haha.
"Blah blah blah microkernel (we've had that for 16 YEARS already, silly. Even Windows god damn NT is microkernel based, for all the good it did them. Ok, so exec doesn't fit most of the definitions of microkernels out there, but in my humble opinion that's because most definitions of microkernels out there aren't definitions, but rather just feature lists of some microkernel or other."
Mr Torvalds likes his monolithic ( this is a fact , its in his book ).
"Whichever whay you look at it, exec is NOT a monolithic kernel, so there) blah blah MUI (I don't even LIKE MUI) blah blah blue pills"
Yes MUI , hate MUI ... e.g. " my amiga was nice until i installed this for some useless app , now its horrible , horrible i tell you !! ".
"(Hey, I've got ONE word for you, addict: Rohypnol) blah blah butterfly (hey, it could be DUNG BEETLES for all I would care) blah blah"
I have seen the eclipse logo's ( or suggestions ? ) , they look good ... but i don't think the butterfly is really a great symbol for your hardcore , on the edge , 3l33t os ..
"So. My question:
When it's all boiled down REAL good, what's the selling points of MOS as a professional business OS, and why is it ANY better than AOS in this respect?
And DON'T even TRY to mention pills."
My question is , who the fuck in they're right mind is going to choose an out of nowhere OS for business ? , Most amiga boxes are playing PPC games or used as IRC terminals.
Or is this where the pills come in :\
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Posted by Amifan on 03-Sep-2002 05:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Ole-Egil):
>blah blah blue pills
Erm...they took viagra to cheer things up? But hey it still won't satisfy Amiga ;-)
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Posted by Frans on 03-Sep-2002 06:13 GMT
If they have so much money available for legal battles it might be nice if
they would spend some on getting it OS4 certified. they can certainly afford to install the copyprotection Amiga insists on. What are they afraid of; that if OS4 was available for it no-one would use Morphos anymore?
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Posted by Frodon on 03-Sep-2002 06:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Frans):
Hello,
" If they have so much money available for legal battles it might be nice if
they would spend some on getting it OS4 certified. they can certainly afford to install the copyprotection Amiga insists on. What are they afraid of; that if OS4 was available for it no-one would use Morphos anymore?
This should be done by the resellers that want to sell Pegasos with OS 4 if there si any. Otherwise if Thendic or BPlan do this, the customers will not have the choice to buy a Pegasos without OS 4 (yes there are some people who don't want it :) ).
Regards
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 03-Sep-2002 06:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Frodon):
> This should be done by the resellers that want to sell Pegasos with OS 4 if
> there si any. Otherwise if Thendic or BPlan do this, the customers will not
> have the choice to buy a Pegasos without OS 4 (yes there are some people who
> don't want it :) ).
This has been discussed to the death. Any vendor who chooses to get their hardware certififed for AOS4 can still sell their hardware without AOS4 provided that the AOS4 enabling dongles/patches are removed from that particular hardware.
/Björn
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 03-Sep-2002 06:35 GMT
>Analysed all allegation raised and those which are possible to be raised as a >“last resort” attempt. Although allegations are easy to be raised, and are thus >many, we have concluded that they are weak, if not unfounded, at the very best. >Our analysis was based on MorphOS past, present and future.
g) "Failed to come up with any substantive legal arguments to counter Amiga's claims and continue to engage in illegal activities including but not limited to using the Amiga tradename and trademark on Google as well as the names of Amiga and Hyperion staff to further sales of Thendic."
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Posted by Kronos on 03-Sep-2002 06:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Björn Hagström):
And any vendor can also say "OS4 is none of our buisness" !
AInc said "you need a special licence to run OS4 on your HW"
Thendic said "no thanks"
Thendic will loose a few costumers that only wanted OS4, while
AInc looses the chance to "repatriote" those who allready left
towards Apple (free OS4-demo would be nice for those) and those
you see the Pegasos as the only suitable HW for them.
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 03-Sep-2002 06:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Kronos):
This has no relevance to the issue discussed in my comment, nor the parts of the comment I commented on.
/Björn
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Posted by Steve on 03-Sep-2002 06:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Hello,
Ben Hermans said:
> g) "Failed to come up with any substantive legal arguments to counter Amiga's
> claims and continue to engage in illegal activities including but not limited to > using the Amiga tradename and trademark on Google as well as the names of Amiga > and Hyperion staff to further sales of Thendic."
Sorry but I can't resist: LOL lOL lOL!!! You are a really funny guy mister Hermans!
Seriously you really should focus on your AmigaOS 4 which is far from finished (in fact even far from being in beta state (where is the beta version publicly promised for May to AmigaOne owners???) rather than posting bullshits here!
Bye
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Posted by Kronos on 03-Sep-2002 06:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
That's all you have to say ?
Maybe it was unfair marketing on google, but who cares ?
Sue them, and if you win they will have to pay a fine,
just like MediaMarkt does 3-5 times a year.
But I fail how you could stop Pegasos/MorphOS with something
trivial as that.
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Posted by Nicholai Benalal on 03-Sep-2002 06:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Amifan):
"Real amiga users just aren't interrested in just another OS. They want the real thing namely AmigaOS, no matter how binairy compatible MorphOS may be."
I suppose you define "Real amiga users" as people who believe in mr Hermans vision? Fortunately, there are many amiga users who prefer other alternatives. I am one of them.
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Posted by 4pLaY on 03-Sep-2002 06:55 GMT
So much hate :) *leaning back and watching the pathetic circus*
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 03-Sep-2002 07:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> "Failed to come up with any substantive legal arguments to counter Amiga's
> claims and continue to engage in illegal activities including but not limited
> to using the Amiga tradename and trademark on Google as well as the names of
> Amiga and Hyperion staff to further sales of Thendic."
I'm not sure what they did on Google is illegal. Unprofessional, unethical, petty and childish, yes, but probably not actually illegal.
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Posted by Timothy De Groote on 03-Sep-2002 07:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Nicholai Benalal):
There are 2 kinds of Amiga users,
the ones that are online and chat on ann.lu of which a part wants MOS/Pegasos
and the ones that don't read ann.lu, just use their Amiga for e-mail, videograbbing, some wordprocessing and that's it.
The 2nd kind will only buy an Amiga and AMigaOS because they KNOW it, some alien product running AMiga OS programs made by the same people of Phase5, excpet 1 or 2 who vanished, will not change that. And that is were the BIG sales are. not the maybe 300-400 users reading this.
Thendic knows this all to well, and that is why they sponsor Google links, go to Amiga shows (no problem with that, last year was really impressive with AMiATLAS and Candy factory running on WOrkbench and flyers stating you should use OS3.5 / 3.9 to run it)
In fact, i'm pretty sure that IF mr Ben Hermans did NOT make public statements about legality, MOS would have been released WITH OS3.5/3.9 as requirement and we would have been in court. All togheter like in AMerican laywer movies :))
i think Ralph shmidt mentioned something about parasetic threats in some IRC interview some months ago.
Well, have to go to post office now
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Posted by Amifan on 03-Sep-2002 07:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Nicholai Benalal):
>I suppose you define "Real amiga users" as people who believe in mr Hermans >vision? Fortunately, there are many amiga users who prefer other alternatives. >I am one of them.
You seems so lost in your MorphOS sourcecode that make up some rather strange definitions.
I define a real amiga user as : Interested in using an amiga with AmigaOS.
No matter how much MorphOS copied the "look" and "feel" of the real AmigaOS. It still isn't amigaOS and (by your and other MorphOS members words) contains no single line of the original AmigaOS.
Now I and much people with me want an succesor of AmigaOS3.x. And one that is a continuation of this AmigaOS3.x and based on the original OS/sourcecode.
But I've got the feeling that you descibe the workbench look as an Amiga.
I guess that a stripped down WindowsNT3.5 for PPC with an amiga like desktop/theme/skin and a hidden 68k emulator to run 68k RTG software fits in the very same definition.
- Stripped down to the basics, so fast on any G3/G4
- Looks like Workbench
- Runs 68k RTG apps
- Not binairy compatible with AmigaOS4 executables.
- Warp3D compatibility by emulation.
- WarpOS (not 100%) compatibility by emulation.
Well m8 that's not my way to go no matter if this is accomplished by former Phase5 employees.
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Posted by Frodon on 03-Sep-2002 07:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Amifan):
Hello,
Amifan said:
" I define a real amiga user as : Interested in using an amiga with AmigaOS. "
Personnally an Amiga user is someone that like the Amiga because of what it is in term of usability, functionnality, intuitivity, look and feel...etc not just because of the name.
I mean even if it was Microsoft that bought the Amiga and use it for Windows, I wouldn't use it because it's the "official" new AmigaOS. I would prefer any other clone (if there were some available).
Maybe I'm wrong, but for me AmigaOS 4 (I mean with information that are currently available about it), is not the way I would see the future of AmigaOS and MorphOS is far more what I want to see as the future of the "Amiga" (Here I don't mean the Amiga(tm)(c)(r) but the Amiga "concept", philosophy... I don't care about names, I care about what is it in term of concrete technologies).
Regards
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Posted by Georg Steger on 03-Sep-2002 07:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Björn Hagström):
> AROS? Not that very much of AROS can be used for a final product just yet.
Well, some things in AROS Source are not yet at their latest state, ie.
with MOS changes integrated back. But MOS uses quite some modules ported
from AROS or in considerable amount based on AROS modules. Like
dos.library
gadtools.library
intuition.library
diskfont.library
iffparse.library
locale.library
commodities.library
clipboard.device
and possibly others. Some of these highly enhanced/fixed/optimized
by MOS team, especially dos.library as AROS one has incompatible
filesystem API.
Theoretically AOS4 team could have used all this sources (incl.
changes/fixes/... done by MOS team) as well if they wanted ...
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 03-Sep-2002 07:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Georg Steger):
So you agree to the plausability of my comment. Cool. Doesn't happen very often on ANN.
/Björn
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Posted by Nicholai Benalal on 03-Sep-2002 07:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Amifan):
"I define a real amiga user as : Interested in using an amiga with AmigaOS."
You are interested in the name while others are interested in what the operating system and the hardware has to offer. I didn't buy an Amiga 14 years ago because of the name, nor did I keep it for that reason.
According to your definition, I'm not a real amiga user but do you know what? I don't care.
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Posted by Amifan on 03-Sep-2002 08:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Frodon):
>Maybe I'm wrong, but for me AmigaOS 4 (I mean with information that are >currently available about it), is not the way I would see the future of >AmigaOS and MorphOS is far more what I want to see as the future of >the "Amiga" (Here I don't mean the Amiga(tm)(c)(r) but the Amiga "concept", >philosophy... I don't care about names, I care about what is it in term of >concrete technologies).
Excuse me but that's a cheap argument.
So what's the future with MorphOS? Can you point me to their roadmap? Is there life after the Eclipsis? What if there's no demand for MorphOS on a hendheld so they switch to CE? How can you be confident in the future of a non exsisting platform with absolutely no publicity where the "relaunch of the amiga" has the advantage that there are still much people that have heard of that brand.
So you don't like AmigaInc (or Amino as some guy insist to call it) or Hyperion, then you automatically don't like AmigaOS4?
Because B-plan likes to reinvent the wheel and add a lot of developement costs, the AmigaONE is no Amiga?
It's all about "I don't like AmigaInc from everything that has happened in the past and Ralph is my buddy".....
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Posted by Frodon on 03-Sep-2002 08:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Amifan):
Hello,
Amifan said:
"So you don't like AmigaInc (or Amino as some guy insist to call it) or Hyperion, then you automatically don't like AmigaOS4?"
Did you read what i've said correclty? You don't seem to. If you had read my comment correctly you would have never said that.
I said, what I care is what the things are in term of CONCRETE TECHNOLOGIES. My opinion on MorphOS or AmigaOS 4 (or any other computer technology :) ) is based on the information I have on them (for MorphOS is also the experience I have using it) not on what I think about Amiga Inc or Hyperion.
Regards
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Posted by Amifan on 03-Sep-2002 08:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Nicholai Benalal):
>You are interested in the name while others are interested in what the >operating system and the hardware has to offer. I didn't buy an Amiga 14 years >ago because of the name, nor did I keep it for that reason.
Don't be such a sad person. "The name" this, "the name" that. You know that your buddy Ralph started with that after his sad Amiga(TM) stuff? He should register that as a real trademark.
You're just a wannabe, if you don't want to be associated with The Name(TM) then get the hell out of any forum/site/show that has anything to do with The Name(TM). Don't use programs intended for TheName(TM) and don't target at TheName(TM) market. Don't advertise that your OS is binairy compatible with TheName3.x(TM).
You're a sad person influenced by another sad person called Ralph Schmidt who felt hit in his face by AmigaInc because HIS MorphOS wasn't to become AmigaOS4.0. And even worse, they collaborated with your worst enemy, Hyperion/frieden brothers, who already score points off with WarpOS/Warp3D over Powerup/Rave3D.
You guys just can't stand that THEY hold the IP of TheName(TM) while you are left behind with just MorphOS(R)(C)(TM) and no realistic future perspective while you were welcomed as hero's two years ago when there were no plans to port AmigaOS to PPC.
The MorphOS(R)(C)(TM) must be a really nice team with all those Ralph Schmidts running around taking blue pills......
According to your definition, I'm not a real amiga user but do you know what? I don't care.
Morphos claims to be ready for legal action : Comment 47 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 03-Sep-2002 08:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Amifan):
Hello,
Amifan said:
"So what's the future with MorphOS? Can you point me to their roadmap? Is there life after the Eclipsis? What if there's no demand for MorphOS on a hendheld so they switch to CE? How can you be confident in the future of a non exsisting platform with absolutely no publicity where the "relaunch of the amiga" has the advantage that there are still much people that have heard of that brand."
It's obvious that you really don't know what you are talking about.
Read correctly http://www.morphos.net/ and you'll (maybe) understand why MorphOS is really flexible and so future oriented (Ok you need a little technical background to understand correctly. I don't know if you have it, but in case you don't have it and so you don't understand correctly, avoid talking about it then (As you'll not know what you are talking about :) )
And don't worry, MorphOS is not so unknown as you think, believe me :)
Regards
Morphos claims to be ready for legal action : Comment 48 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 03-Sep-2002 08:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Frodon):
>Did you read what i've said correclty? You don't seem to. If you had read my >comment correctly you would have never said that.
Then you probably forgot that you wrote this sentenses:
"I mean even if it was Microsoft that bought the Amiga and use it for Windows, I wouldn't use it because it's the "official" new AmigaOS. I would prefer any other clone (if there were some available)."
So no matter if it's the current situation or that even MS would have brought Amiga, you don't want to use the "official" AmigaOS but prefer a clone.
So in other words: You think about AmigaInc the same way as about Microsoft.
So this justifies what i've said:
"So you don't like AmigaInc (or Amino as some guy insist to call it) or Hyperion, then you automatically don't like AmigaOS4?"
Morphos claims to be ready for legal action : Comment 49 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 03-Sep-2002 08:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Amifan):
Hello Amifan,
you said:
"So no matter if it's the current situation or that even MS would have brought Amiga, you don't want to use the "official" AmigaOS but prefer a clone.
So in other words: You think about AmigaInc the same way as about Microsoft."
Sorry but you read badly. Why is there so much people trying to make others saying what they never said???
You interpretation is simply wrong. It was an example just to illustrate that I don't care about the name but the technologies in themselves! I used Microsoft because I hate Microsoft. Here there is nothing related to Amiga Inc sorry.
"So this justifies what i've said:
"So you don't like AmigaInc (or Amino as some guy insist to call it) or Hyperion, then you automatically don't like AmigaOS4?""
No because you misinterpretated :)
Regards
Morphos claims to be ready for legal action : Comment 50 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 03-Sep-2002 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Frodon):
>It's obvious that you really don't know what you are talking about.
I got the feeling that you confuse a feature list with a plan for the future also called roadmap. I've been on www.morhpos.net and there's no new information.
>Read correctly http://www.morphos.net/ and you'll (maybe) understand why >MorphOS is really flexible and so future oriented (Ok you need a little >technical background to understand correctly. I don't know if you have it, but >in case you don't have it and so you don't understand correctly, avoid talking >about it then (As you'll not know what you are talking about :) )
Trying to insult me, i'm perfectly quilified to talk about technical issues, more then you can imagine, I guess.....
Ow geezs, we are talking about features again.
Anybody with coding skills can produce an OS with those features/structure, but i'm talking about a roadmap. Where is the platform heading? What does it make different from other platforms? Why should I choose MorphOS over any other OS from a USER point of view. What's planned? What can I run on it, where are the exciting programs? We know the roadmap of AmigaOS (just not the timeline), but they at least have a vision to attract users from "that other platform".
>And don't worry, MorphOS is not so unknown as you think, believe me :)
As long as it doesn't pop up in all the technical magazines I read (as being a new embedded OS next to WindowsCE, OSE and Linux then it's just not known in that area. As long as it's not mentioned on techsites then it isn't even a nerd OS. So cut you crap of "but MorphOS is going to be used on the Eclipsis". You really think that the Eclipsis and this Pegasos based Basestation will be a bestseller?
I even had to tell them to include USB in their hendheld because a user might want to print something rather then a firewire port to enable fast video editing. That you can have a feally featured hendheld but that the usefullness of some features on a hendheld is questionable....
I'm sorry, but I don't have much confidence in the future of MorphOS after 1.0.
It started a an hobby OS and it will remain a hobby OS backed up by the millions of Bill Buck
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