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| Posted on 04-Sep-2002 13:04 GMT by Christophe Decanini | 160 comments
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Bill Buck posted a comment here that says:
Also, we might as well let the thread know that MorphOS runs on the A1 too. We have one of "their" boards and it works! That should settle the issue of "write once, publish anywhere"... Plus, we are happy to sell a Pegasos to Mr. Hermans and his team or anyone else. Ben, you can have one from the next production and you do not even have to be a Betatester...;)
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 1 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Christophe Decanini on 04-Sep-2002 11:13 GMT | Well, then I guess AmigaOS 4.0 could run on the Pegasos too.
Would Thendic / Hyperion ever come to an agreement ? |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 2 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kronos on 04-Sep-2002 11:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 1 (Christophe Decanini):
Why is an agreement needed ?
There is certainly none between Eyetech and MorphOS.
Hyperion can get a board if they want.
Hyperion can port their OS if they want.
Hyperion can sell their OS for it if they want (o.k. not really,
but thats Hyperion's problem). |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 3 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 04-Sep-2002 11:23 GMT | If MAI Logic (Amiga's partner) will want, Thendic don't sell too many Pegasos
boards. Pegasos use Articia chipset who are produced by MAI Logic. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 4 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by johnny_boy on 04-Sep-2002 11:27 GMT | | AmigsOS 4 needs a dongled ROM, or some other piece of crippleware, or a hack/patch I suppose. So without an official licensing agreement OS4 won't run on Pegasos out of the box. I can understand Amiga Inc and Eyetech's position on this, but as a user I don't give a fudge. I just want to run OS 4 on whatever hardware I choose, rather than the hardware I'm told to choose. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 5 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kronos on 04-Sep-2002 11:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
MAI ain't Amiga's partner, they have just choosen Eyetech as their
distrubotor. MAI's main buisness is selling chip and technical
knowledge to everyone who can afford it.
Selling their evaluation boards through Eyetech is just an easy but
small extra income. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 6 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Christophe Decanini on 04-Sep-2002 11:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 2 (Kronos):
"Why is an agreement needed ? "
Well I guess that having an OS working on an unsupported platform is not enough.
An agreement that would make the Pegasos a supported platform for AmigaOS4
An agreement that would make the AmigaOne a supported platfrom for MorphOS.
That would be definitely a benefit for the users that would not have to buy two almost similar hardware to run both OS. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 7 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Troels E on 04-Sep-2002 11:59 GMT | How nice of Bill... But I thought Hyperion allready placed an order for the Pegasos months ago?
But nice to see that pegasos boards are finally available to those who ordered them. Will Hyperion also get all needed documentation of the hardware? |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 8 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Syke on 04-Sep-2002 12:02 GMT | In reply to Comment 6 (Christophe Decanini):
Great, now everyone can buy the A1 and be able to run AOS4 and MorphOS, the pegasos isn't needed. Honestly, this can't be good for the pegasos, sorta like shooting yerself in the foot :) |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 9 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by amigammc on 04-Sep-2002 12:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 8 (Syke):
Naah! Everybody is quite opinionated on this matter, if it's the POS they want they'll still get that, same for the A1 |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 10 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 12:17 GMT | How many pills did they have to feed the A1 to pull that off ?
Poor A1 had to run CGX , wouldn't force that on anyone. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 11 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Thomas on 04-Sep-2002 12:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 10 (cOrpse):
How sad it is to see Bill Buck trying to split up the Amiga market even more. First he wanted us to buy some crappy set-top-boxes that noone wanted. Now he want us to convert to an operating system that we don't want! Bill! Do us a favour, skip the MorphOS shit and put your effort on making the Amiga shine again with the official OS on your computer. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 12 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LorD on 04-Sep-2002 12:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 11 (Thomas):
Don't place me in your "WE" group ! |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 13 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabian on 04-Sep-2002 12:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 11 (Thomas):
My only opinion in this matter is that if Mr. Buck wants to be considered professional in my eyes, all this would not occur on ANN. Other than that, yipee more dual booting for the future. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 14 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Stewart Wright on 04-Sep-2002 12:38 GMT | | I'm new to the morphOS debate but Isn't it important to know what software will run on which platform. Will there be a WP for both OSes, a browser,spreadsheet,ect.ect. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 15 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 04-Sep-2002 12:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 6 (Christophe Decanini):
Wouldn't that be nice? :)
It probably still wouldn't be enough to persuade me to buy one, but it would certainly be a move in the right direction.
The trouble is that as long as one side thinks it has the advantage/better product etc., it won't be prepared to give enough ground to make it attractive for the other side to compromise in turn. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 16 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 13:11 GMT | In reply to Comment 11 (Thomas):
I wouldn't care so much if it was amiga users doing the pegasos / morphOS sale push but alas its windows and mac users.
I'll admit Amiga Inc are kind of the same .. but do we really care what they're doing ? not until its on amigaOS , amiga Inc made the right choice and gave the users what they wanted ; basically gaving the OS to hyperion ..
Most of the long time amiga users i know share my concerns of using CGX and MUI in a prodcution OS , these and various other concerns will always be there because of the promoters not being active in the project and therefor unable to explain.
Oh and the "we're better then you" attitude is also very annoying , The morphOs supporters that come here sound just as stuck up as the PC users of long ago. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 17 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 04-Sep-2002 13:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 16 (cOrpse):
"Mom, mom, that #?@%?! little s##t is calling me names! Waaaaaah!" |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 18 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 13:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 17 (Bill Hoggett):
Don't get you , sorry ...
/me too much coffee :\ |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 19 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Christophe Decanini on 04-Sep-2002 13:50 GMT | In reply to Comment 16 (cOrpse):
Corpse can you stop that please.
Do you really think everyone here hate CGFX and MUI ? |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 20 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 04-Sep-2002 13:54 GMT | | MorphOS, The other white Meep. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 21 of 160 | ANN.lu |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 22 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 14:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 19 (Christophe Decanini):
I wasn't talking about here , infact the 2 other people helping me with some projects ( a port and an original creation ) don't come here , 1 of them isn't even *online* , they both insisted that we don't use MUI but Gadtools for the interfaces ...
Also I know CGX sucks , try using a 68k VNC client on it , then try it under P96 ;O |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 23 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by JKD on 04-Sep-2002 14:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 22 (cOrpse):
Or maybe the VNC client has bugs on CGX? Really, you waste your time. I prefer CGX, you prefer P96..enough said.
Is your opinion of an excellent piece of software coloured by your experience with a DCE (Phase5) product? I have had *no*...read that as zero, bad experience with any of my P5 hardware or the excellent VFD software you seem so intent on slandering.
This is an interesting piece of news, not YAPO (Yet Another Propoganda Opportunity).
When OS4 is released I'm sure it will take minor changes to run on a Pegasos...wonderful, we have two choices of hardware vendor (at least a small form of price competition) and two choices of OS (each should spur the other to improve)...can't help but feel this is a good thing (tm). The negative here is the FUD and propoganda, not the existence of choice!
Hyperion has already said they want to run on a Pegasos..they are developing (selling?) software, it's absolutely in their interest to run on as much hardware as possible.
Someone made a comment about ordering a Pegasos..I believe this was *before* the agreement with Thendic was reached and I'd suspect the validity of the original order needs to be checked. As a customer I understand I cannot buy directly from bPlan...should it be different for a developer...maybe, but if Hyperion really wanted one then best find out eh?
Steve |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 24 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by José on 04-Sep-2002 14:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 4 (johnny_boy):
Well johnny_boy then you don't have quality assurance. Maybe it's not only about that, but it doesn't make it untrue. Quality assurance is a must. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 25 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by José on 04-Sep-2002 14:21 GMT | | I don't think it's likely MOS will run on the A1. Announcing this could be a tactic (or not). |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 26 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by anonymous on 04-Sep-2002 14:21 GMT | The problem for both parties here of course is inevitable - people will buy the Pegasos or AmigaOne and run an illegal copy of the other hardware's native OS. And without authenticating compatibility between these systems, software developers are going to wind up in a support nightmare.
We can all sit around and come up with innovative ways to prevent piracy and allow competition to thrive, but the bottom line has always been clear: the OS4, MorphOS, AROS and Amithlon camps are spending a tremendous amount of time and energy moving in different directions when cooperation would benefit all of us. You can only split a small pie so many ways. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 27 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 14:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 23 (JKD):
"Is your opinion of an excellent piece of software coloured by your experience with a DCE (Phase5) product? I have had *no*...read that as zero, bad experience with any of my P5 hardware or the excellent VFD software you seem so intent on slandering."
My problem with CGX has nothing to do with my ppc , I've found CGX to just be plain sloppy ... Try changing your monitor settings around a bit , your CGX screenmodes will probably disappear from the screenmode prefs.
Then theres using 3rd party software for major parts of a production OS , something I don't like the sound of. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 28 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by David Scheibler on 04-Sep-2002 14:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 27 (cOrpse):
>I've found CGX to just be plain sloppy ... Try changing your monitor settings
>around a bit , your CGX screenmodes will probably disappear from the
>screenmode prefs
That's what I call a detailed bug report. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 29 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Sep-2002 14:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 1 (Christophe Decanini):
> Well, then I guess AmigaOS 4.0 could run on the Pegasos too.
Well, it COULD HAVE, but some moron thought it was a good idea to cripple the OS with unnecessary ROM dependancy, thus locking it to certain hardware and limiting the possible market. But as you may know, there are better alternatives ... |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 30 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 14:35 GMT | In reply to Comment 28 (David Scheibler):
Well i changed the monitor settings for 81khz ( for my 17" iiyama ) to 31khz for my little 14" monitor that i use for monitoring the amiga while the big monitors in use. CGX then puts all the modes in for that setting , thats all very well until after it resets for the amiga to enable them ... The amiga boots back up and the monitors flickering from the khz being to high and once you've swapped the monitors over again to sort the problem out all the CGX screenmodes have disappeared from the screenmode settings.
Similar effects can be acomplised by playing with CGXmode. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 31 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 14:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 30 (cOrpse):
"Similar effects can be acomplised by playing with CGXmode."
doh. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 32 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by David Scheibler on 04-Sep-2002 14:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 30 (cOrpse):
And I sure you reported this to VGR, right? |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 33 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Sep-2002 14:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 8 (Syke):
> Great, now everyone can buy the A1 and be able to run AOS4 and MorphOS, the
> pegasos isn't needed. Honestly, this can't be good for the pegasos, sorta
> like shooting yerself in the foot :)
The Pegasos is superior in almost every aspect. I can't see any reasons to why anyone would need (or want) the A1? You see, MorphOS is superior to OS4 in most (of the important) aspects too ... |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 34 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 14:41 GMT | In reply to Comment 32 (David Scheibler):
I haven't got time to save other peoples sorry arses. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 35 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 04-Sep-2002 14:45 GMT | In reply to Comment 34 (cOrpse):
> I haven't got time to save other peoples sorry arses.
Great attitude man! Everyone for themselves! |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 36 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by David Scheibler on 04-Sep-2002 14:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 34 (cOrpse):
That's what I call a real Amiga user that supports developers. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 37 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 14:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 36 (David Scheibler):
So you report every windows bug you find ? No you slander windows and find a better solution.
Also at the time I had the problem I was very busy trying to complete my first year assignments. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 38 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Sep-2002 14:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 16 (cOrpse):
Please keep your opinions about MUI and CGX to yourself! These two software packages has propably been about the most important packages in the Amiga evolution! Albert Einstein once said: "If I have seen further than others, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants". MUI and CGX are two giants on which shoulders other software has stood on. Lots and lots of users and developers apriciates these solutions. And now the evolution continues on the PPC ... |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 39 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 15:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 38 (takemehomegrandma):
"Please keep your opinions about MUI and CGX to yourself! These two software packages has propably been about the most important packages in the Amiga evolution!"
I would have said Warp3D and WarpUP were the most important in recent times.
And I'll be all mature here and leave it , we don't want a blue pill powered fight(TM) , it'll never end ;) |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 40 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by David Scheibler on 04-Sep-2002 15:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 37 (cOrpse):
You don't report windows bugs? You get money for it! |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 41 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 15:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 40 (David Scheibler):
haven't found any in .NET yet , maybe I'll get lucky and find some in XP Service Pack 1 :)
- microsofts downfall is my success |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 42 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Sep-2002 15:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 25 (José):
> I don't think it's likely MOS will run on the A1. Announcing this could be a
> tactic (or not).
Why wouldn't it? MorphOS isn't crippled as the OS4, and the A1 is completely made of standard products. Nothing special or secret about it at all. And I'm sure that MAI would tell anyone who is interested about specs for their evaluation boards and chipsets, especially to bplan, who should be one of their *most promising* customers by now. You really don't think that the Articia chipset is unknown to bplan?!
But ofcourse, maybe there will be a way in which AmigaInc/Eyetech can prevent their customers from running what they want on their purchased products. A cripple-ROM perhaps, with the bootloader in ROM instead of on the HD? That way they would get absolute power over the user. That would be a possibility, but nah, that would be to idiotic to become a reality. No customer would accept it, and not even the wintel world would try something like that ... |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 43 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bladerunner on 04-Sep-2002 15:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 39 (cOrpse):
So, how many W3D or WOS apps are out there??? Now compare it to the ammount of Mui based apps or CGX Supporting..
Anyway, you proove everytime that you are a blind Ainc follower and every party involved with the "bad MOS guys" are producing shit
in your opinion.. but leave it as it is.. YOUR opinion.. not mine, not that of many others..
BTW The only reason why I am using the P96 Soft Instead of CGX is the lack of Supporting my Paloma Modul for my PIV.
But for Speed reasons, for me CGX would be the better solution, i`ve tested it here and my PIV was faster than under P96.
So now call me a Windows or Mac "Bastard" only because i prefer CGX, MOS and Pegasos and i will show you how much windows
in my "all day in use" A4k PPC is (BTW my Cyberstorm is overclocked and in continous use since i bought it two years ago, maybe you made some really bad things with yours ;-) ) |
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| Posted by Bladerunner on 04-Sep-2002 15:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 42 (takemehomegrandma):
>That would be a possibility, but nah, that would be to idiotic to become a reality. No customer would accept it, and not even the wintel world would try something like that ...
Hey, you are talking about Amiga fanatics ;-)
I believe corpse or Amifan would even buy an Amiga if there is a contact they have to sign which says, that
you have to give away your girlfeind to Fleecy Moss for extended girl friend beta testing *ggg* |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 45 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by W on 04-Sep-2002 15:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 33 (takemehomegrandma):
> The Pegasos is superior in almost every aspect. I can't see any reasons to
> why anyone would need (or want) the A1? You see, MorphOS is superior to OS4
> in most (of the important) aspects too ...
Since I hate motherboards with tons of integrated crap and since I think that a 600mhz G3 will be more than enough for me I prefer the A1 because it has an extra PCI-slot. Also, I guess that you are not from the AOS4-team so you cant have any clue about MOS being better. So, as you said to "corpse": Please keep your opinions to yourself!
BTW, I think this kind of stuff is the main reason to the fighting here. Lots of people belive that a certain system is better then the other and thats nothing wrong with that. It can be technical reasons, personal reasons or whatever but as soon as your belif becomes "facts" and you start blaiming others to be "wrong" on a subjective matter the discussions transforms into a flamewar. Maybe some more tolerance will help?
/W |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 46 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Sep-2002 15:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 26 (anonymous):
> And without authenticating compatibility between these systems, software
> developers are going to wind up in a support nightmare.
Amiga software runs on Pegasos with MorphOS. Both 68k and PPC. Only *hours* after the AWeb scources was released there were an early MorphOS *native* version up and running, and only days later it was stable! |
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| Posted by José on 04-Sep-2002 15:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 42 (takemehomegrandma):
Absolute power over the user?! Oh man! What about power to avoid some interest only companies screwing customers by selling pseudo compatible hardware? Besides, if bPlan doesn't have OS4 on their hardware is cause they don't want to, what about that? Saying AIncs conditions are too strict is pure BS, everyone knows. And now they announce MOS on A1, for strategy only.Pah, you think it's for sake of you the user? I bet it's more like when it was said MOS didn't use/had AmigaOS source code, and then on the bPlan site they subtly admit it has. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 48 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 04-Sep-2002 15:41 GMT | In reply to Comment 16 (cOrpse):
"Most of the long time amiga users i know share my concerns of using
CGX and MUI in a prodcution OS
"
They have both always worked well on my Amigas. So far as I know, the
authors are prepared to work with the OS authors. So I see no problem. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 49 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 15:50 GMT | In reply to Comment 43 (Bladerunner):
"So, how many W3D or WOS apps are out there??? Now compare it to the ammount of Mui based apps or CGX Supporting.. "
shogo , heretic II , the list goes on ;)
"Anyway, you proove everytime that you are a blind Ainc follower and every party involved with the "bad MOS guys" are producing shit
in your opinion.. but leave it as it is.. YOUR opinion.. not mine, not that of many others.. "
Well thats BS because I've disliked the stability of MUI/Apps since the commodore days .. I agree MUI provides amazing features to AmigaOS but it also seems to bring a bit of in-stability.
I also dislike alot of non-mos related amiga software .. one of them being the layout of the gadgets on amigaOs.I don't fancy AmigaAMP much either.
"BTW The only reason why I am using the P96 Soft Instead of CGX is the lack of Supporting my Paloma Modul for my PIV.
But for Speed reasons, for me CGX would be the better solution, i`ve tested it here and my PIV was faster than under P96."
P96 and CGX seem to be about the same on desktop use , wouldn't know about p96 with 3D games , never had an amiga with a decent p96 supported Gfx card :(.
"So now call me a Windows or Mac "Bastard" only because i prefer CGX, MOS and Pegasos and i will show you how much windows
in my "all day in use" A4k PPC is (BTW my Cyberstorm is overclocked and in continous use since i bought it two years ago, maybe you made some really bad things with yours ;-) ) "
I did use to run win3.11 on pctask for some fun , ah the memories.
And by windows / mac users I didn't say morphOs users.
You only got your PPC card 2 years ago ? Mines marked 1997 and I got it just after they came out ( pre-ordered ) you missed an awful lot of fun .. not. |
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| Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 50 of 160 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by anarchic_teapot on 04-Sep-2002 16:07 GMT | LOL
Well, isn't this nice. MorphOS can be made to run on a POP board with the Softex evaluation OF: hardly astounding, as that's the OF spotted on the Pegasos board in the goshawful Thendic video back in the Spring.
Trouble is, as everyone knows that's not the final firmware for the AmigaOne.
I imagine Hyperion will be pleased to hear their order for a dev board is to be honoured at last.
<bitchy>
I suppose that only leaves another 999 to go
</bitchy>
Sorry, but when I see a chin jutting out like that I get this terrible urge to hit it. |
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