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[News] Morphos runs on AmigaOne too.ANN.lu
Posted on 04-Sep-2002 13:04 GMT by Christophe Decanini160 comments
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Bill Buck posted a comment here that says:
Also, we might as well let the thread know that MorphOS runs on the A1 too. We have one of "their" boards and it works! That should settle the issue of "write once, publish anywhere"... Plus, we are happy to sell a Pegasos to Mr. Hermans and his team or anyone else. Ben, you can have one from the next production and you do not even have to be a Betatester...;)
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 51 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 04-Sep-2002 16:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (cOrpse):
"shogo , heretic II , the list goes on ;)"
Please, go on.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 52 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (brotheris):
Lets see ... mmm Just about every PPC game .. oh shit they mostly came from hyperion so we better discount those.
And i retract my comments about MUI , Its Vapor apps that suck .. they give MUI a bad name.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 53 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Justin Smith on 04-Sep-2002 16:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (takemehomegrandma):
>Amiga software runs on Pegasos with MorphOS. Both 68k and PPC.
Give it a rest, grandma. 3.x software, maybe, but if it won't run AmigaOS4 software, MorphOS is of no more use than UAE or Amithlon. And which do you think will handle AmigaOS 3.X software better, a hacked-together clone or an OS built with (legal) access to the 3.x sources?
I just don't get it--MorphOS seems absolutely pointless.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 54 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Sep-2002 16:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (José):
> Absolute power over the user?! Oh man!
Well, what do they want then? Anyway, that is what they will have.
> What about power to avoid some interest only companies screwing customers by
> selling pseudo compatible hardware?
MorphOS and Pegasos is fully compatible with each other.
> Besides, if bPlan doesn't have OS4 on their hardware is cause they don't want
> to, what about that? Saying AIncs conditions are too strict is pure BS,
> everyone knows.
AmigaInc and Hyperion is free to extend the market by "porting" their OS to the Pegasos. Bplan has no objections or conditions at all, as everyone knows.
> And now they announce MOS on A1, for strategy only.Pah, you think it's for
> sake of you the user? I bet it's more like when it was said MOS didn't
> use/had AmigaOS source code, and then on the bPlan site they subtly admit it
> has.
It will be clear to everyone when the "final" A1 (the one with the ROM lock) comes out, and MorphOS no longer will run on that board, that AmigaInc and Eyetech has reached their goal - absolute power over what the users runs on their purchased hardware.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 55 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 16:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Justin Smith):
Shhh don't speak your mind , your not allowed ... Those under the influcence of blue pills will call you an amino sheep.
Crazy shit this mind control stuff ;)
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 56 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 16:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (takemehomegrandma):
MorphOS and Pegasos is fully compatible with each other.
I would hope so.
"AmigaInc and Hyperion is free to extend the market by "porting" their OS to the Pegasos. Bplan has no objections or conditions at all, as everyone knows."
Ah so what was the reason their request for a board wasn't processed ?
"It will be clear to everyone when the "final" A1 (the one with the ROM lock) comes out, and MorphOS no longer will run on that board, that AmigaInc and Eyetech has reached their goal - absolute power over what the users runs on their purchased hardware."
The rom lock doesn't stop other OS's running on the board , its to stop amigaOs running on unlicensed hardware , just the same as the dongle with 3DStudio max stops people running unlicensed copies of that.
I'm sure Amiga will support any PPC hardware ... But I don't think they will support people running un-paid for copies of it on any hardware.
Also hardware locking isn't new ... Microsoft do it .. but I haven't felt the affects of this ;)
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 57 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 04-Sep-2002 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (JKD):
Yes, this VNC client had a bug. Wrong usage of BMF_DISPLAYABLE flag,
AFAIK. It's fixed now.
There are some differences in the bitmap allocation handling of CGX
and P96.
But some people prefer blaming the wrong thing. It's so much fun.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 58 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Nicolas Sallin):
If we're talking about the same client ; I'm retract and are deeply sorry for my statements about CGX regrading the VNC client.
Although problems with CgxMode still exist.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 59 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 04-Sep-2002 16:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (takemehomegrandma):
Well, the dongle affair is just a way to be annoying IMHO.
Nobody could seriously think an OS4 version written for A1 could work
on a Pegasos and even less on an Amiga. Same for MorphOS.
The HAL modules are totally differents. Some important drivers are
targeted for a specific hardware only. And it's very easy to not
documented vital part of the HAL API. Even more if you want to move to
a clean and modern OS in the near futur. Again, look MacOSX. No
MacOS7/8/9 driver works on it.
The dongle announce is just a marketroid affair.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 60 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 16:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (cOrpse):
Losing it today ... Thats what 6 double espresso's does to ya .. I've got the biggest head ache know to man and I'm gonna state shaking like a branch in the breeze any minute now :P
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 61 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 04-Sep-2002 16:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (W):
The AmigaONE works like the Pegasos. If you use the AmigaONE's extra
PCI slot then the AGP one is disabled. Find another point for your
rant, please.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 62 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 16:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Nicolas Sallin):
"Well, the dongle affair is just a way to be annoying IMHO.
Nobody could seriously think an OS4 version written for A1 could work
on a Pegasos and even less on an Amiga. Same for MorphOS."
Thing is no one except those with their hands on morphOS ( post classic amiga betas ) or AmigaOS 4 knows
"The HAL modules are totally differents. Some important drivers are
targeted for a specific hardware only. And it's very easy to not
documented vital part of the HAL API. Even more if you want to move to
a clean and modern OS in the near futur. Again, look MacOSX. No
MacOS7/8/9 driver works on it."
MacOSX and classic are really completly different OS , so its not hard to find the reason classic drivers won't work.
But how close is the Pegasos and AmigaOne hardware ? IIRC correctly they both use the MAI chipset , so how different could the two be ?
Also wouldn't it be shooting yourself in the foot from both sides if they made their hardware *custom* as it would lead to problems improving the hardware later ... Also if the amigaOne did have major differences to other PPC hardware what would the point of the dongle be ? If os4 won't run on anything but the amigaOne and the amigaOne won't run anything else Amiga Inc could just get away with forcing you to buy os4 with your amigaone? which IIRC is what their doing.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 63 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 04-Sep-2002 17:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (takemehomegrandma):
"Amiga software runs on Pegasos with MorphOS. Both 68k and PPC. Only *hours* after the AWeb scources was released there were an early MorphOS *native* version up and running, and only days later it was stable!"
That's one application. Let's be realistic -- if either system is to succeed are consumers going to have to hunt down versions of software and drivers for two different systems?
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 64 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 17:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Nicolas Sallin):
"The AmigaONE works like the Pegasos. If you use the AmigaONE's extra
PCI slot then the AGP one is disabled. Find another point for your
rant, please."
Yes but if you use the old pci gfx card from your mediator you still have 3 pci slots free , with the pegasos you would only have 2.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 65 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Elektro on 04-Sep-2002 17:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Nicolas Sallin):
"The AmigaONE works like the Pegasos. If you use the AmigaONE's extra
PCI slot then the AGP one is disabled. Find another point for your
rant, please."
How do you know this?
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 66 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Sep-2002 17:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Elektro):
The Articia chipset?
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 67 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 04-Sep-2002 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Elektro):
>How do you know this?
Read the Articia S hardware docs on MAI's homepage.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 68 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Sep-2002 17:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (cOrpse):
> Yes but if you use the old pci gfx card from your mediator you still have 3
> pci slots free , with the pegasos you would only have 2.
Well, then you use a new AGP gfx card, and you will have 3! But personally, I don't think that I would need all three PCI slots. Everything you need is on the board. Well perhaps one extra network card, but then? I have allways used SCSI, but I'm dropping that thought now. Too expensive and it doesn't offer much more performance. Firewire? Got it allready. Sound? Got it, including an optical output to the home theatre. IR? Got it. USB? Got it. Internal modem? Got it. Whats left?
BTW, how many PCI slots would you get if you use the PCI Riser Card Option?
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 69 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Elektro on 04-Sep-2002 17:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (David Scheibler):
yes they're shared but does that mean they cant be used at the same time?
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 70 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Sep-2002 17:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Elektro):
It can, but with less performance. AGP in x1 speed. Right?
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 71 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 04-Sep-2002 17:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (cOrpse):
You're attitude is totally stupid and retarded. For example, I could run
PowerUp and hate WUP, but I would make a bug report for any bugs in WUP...
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 72 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 17:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (takemehomegrandma):
I think the riser will be for oem solutions ( where the cards need to be at a different angle ? )
As for the number of PCI slots , I agree you'll only need one or two , one for a tv tuner ... Maybe one of those realmagic divx decoders or a 5.1 sound card ... But in normal situations theres not much else you need/might want to use those slots for.
I believe having the AGP and PCI slot like this is simply so it doesn't affect the number of slots available to those using PCI cards , I don't think those with expensive PCI oxygen cards will upgrade straight away ;)
Also it takes away the need for a primary display controller in the BIOS if it turns of the AGP or PCI on the *graphics* bus. Unless you have more then one graphics card that is.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 73 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 04-Sep-2002 17:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (cOrpse):
Would WarpUP ever be possible without the PowerUP boards? Nope.
Would Warp3D be possible without CGX? Nope.
Would P96 be possible without VFD's work? Nope, the original P2
software was made by FM and P96 uses the CGX API.
So stop telling us crap.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 74 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Sep-2002 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (takemehomegrandma):
BTW, the reason to the use of 3 PCI slots must be the mini ATX formfactor. It's worth it! I think that only a few people will use all three slots anyway.
And putting all that functionality on a mini ATX board is an example of genious engineering skills IMO. The A1 is a big and bulky ATX board with less functionality. You would propably want to use *even more* PCI slots on the A1 just to get *equal* to the Pegasos in the level of functionality.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 75 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Sep-2002 17:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (anarchic_teapot):
"Trouble is, as everyone knows that's not the final firmware for the AmigaOne."
Well, assuming that Hyperion finally get that work done the new firmware will be PPCBoot. That will make it even *easier* to run MorphOS on the A1 hardware, so it seems as though there was no point to you post at all.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 76 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 04-Sep-2002 17:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Elektro):
They can be used simultaneously, at least on the "consumer version" of the Teron CX (or "AmigaOne" when they're sold by Eyetech). The AGP bus will however be "clocked down" to the speed of any PCI device that is sharing this bus.
But I don't understand why people should feel the need to have these fights over hardware in the first place. There are no more "Amigas vs. Whatever". It's just pieces of silicon and plastic for crying out loud! We should be able to buy the OS we prefer and install it on the hardware we prefer, and we should be able to buy that hardware from whomever we like in whatever way we like, bundled with software or not.
I want to buy AmigaOS, but the Powers That Be have decided that I as a potential AmigaOS customer is too goddamn stupid to choose my own hardware and hardware vendor.
The nonsensical and self-contradictory "anti piracy" argument for this insanity is invalid, moot and void.
The pathetic "guaranteed compatibility" and "total quality experience" arguments are equally meaningless.
I'm tired of having to explain this over and over again, so I'll just throw in the URLs ;)
http://amigapop.8bit.co.uk/faq.html#9
http://amigapop.8bit.co.uk/faq.html#10
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 77 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by W on 04-Sep-2002 17:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Nicolas Sallin):
> The AmigaONE works like the Pegasos. If you use the AmigaONE's extra
> PCI slot then the AGP one is disabled.
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1031122300&category=news&number=13
/W
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 78 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Sep-2002 17:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Seehund):
Well put! I agree!
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 79 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 17:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I would have reported it , but i was busy at the time and ended up just re-installing amigaOS and cybergraphics for the 31khz monitor on a different partition.
And knowing the tech support of most amiga companies I'd be told it was my fault and that I'm stupid ( probably true ;) , but I have fun ).
Then theres the aspect of it being worth my time reporting the bug , its very doubtful it'd be fixed in the time frame I needed it to be fixed ( just under 2 hours ).
But I'm sorry for trying to use humour in the post ( maybe i should have used a ;) ) and extremely sorry for not reporting the bug , but everyone else here claims that they've had no problems , damn my cinical nature ! ;)
/me hates those little backspace keys
/me keeps hitting the frigg'in insert key causing alsorts of trouble.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 80 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Elektro on 04-Sep-2002 17:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Seehund):
Ok thnx Seehund.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 81 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 17:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (takemehomegrandma):
"BTW, the reason to the use of 3 PCI slots must be the mini ATX formfactor. It's worth it! I think that only a few people will use all three slots anyway."
And miniATX makes it easier for those on slashdot that like to put hardware in pumpkins and teddybears to come up with new and interesting "hardware skin'in" ideas. :)
Just a side note though , I have a slot one Mini-ATX board with 1 AGP , 3 PCI and 1 ISA , you have the option to use a PCI or AGP gfx card ( only 4 card slots on a mini ATX case ) so One PCI and the AGP line up on the same hole on the back of the case, this is true with the ISA slot of new boards with 1 AGP , 5 PCI and 1 ISA also.
"And putting all that functionality on a mini ATX board is an example of genious engineering skills IMO. The A1 is a big and bulky ATX board with less functionality. You would propably want to use *even more* PCI slots on the A1 just to get *equal* to the Pegasos in the level of functionality."
The size of the pegasos is impressive .. it needs to be for the markets its targetting .. But it has taken alot more time to develop then the A1 , eyetech just had to make a couple phone calls , genius ;) lol
I just got the ABIT VH6T for my celeron II , and its HUGE , my previous BE6II v2 was slot one and I used the celeron with a slot adaptor ... the new board being a socket has put atleast two inches on even though the UDMA etc is now built into the chipset , the AmigaOne XE is also a socket board ... maybe if it was a slot it wouldn't look so big even for an full atx board ?
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 82 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 04-Sep-2002 17:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (W):
> http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1031122300&category=news&number=13
http://www.mai.com/products/teron%20cx.htm
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 83 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by johnny_boy on 04-Sep-2002 18:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (takemehomegrandma):
> I don't think it's likely MOS will run on the A1. Announcing this could be a
> tactic (or not).
This is just childish bragging from the Morphos camp. It is widely known that the ROM on the A1 boards released to beta testers so far are pre-production and do not contain the hardware/software that is intended to allow OS4 to run. The production ROM could certainly contain something to stop "other" OS's from running. However there could be a way round this by booting OS4 initially, and then rebooting into the "other" OS as the Classic Amiga does with with Linux.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 84 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 04-Sep-2002 18:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Justin Smith):
At first a comment.. I have not seen neither Mos not OS4 .. I'm still waiting.
" >Amiga software runs on Pegasos with MorphOS. Both 68k and PPC.
Give it a rest, grandma. 3.x software, maybe, but if it won't run AmigaOS4 software, MorphOS is of no more use than UAE or Amithlon. And which do you think will handle AmigaOS 3.X software better, a hacked-together clone or an OS built with (legal) access to the 3.x sources?"
One that works and is available. Having source of old system does not quarantee port does actually work (or will happen on decent timeframe). As long as entire OS4 project is only Hearsay and Few screenshots there is only one PPC native OS that runs Amiga software (unless you consider UAE on linux :-).
Besides. What OS4 spesific software there is? Or is coming in next 1/2 year or so? Anything not Opensourced and not also available to MOS or OS3.9?
"I just don't get it--MorphOS seems absolutely pointless. "
As long as there is no Real and Usable OS4 it has very much much point. Even after that it may well be better and more stable and to gain more users/software makers behind it. Name alone does not make OS4 instant success.
In the end it's users (and developers) that make final decision. They use the system they like more. I understand that Os-maker-hyperion won't want to make Mos-ports of their future games, but I think that those old ones (assuming they don't include some kind hack to stop them being used on MOS) should work just fine.
And.. Having one system is good.. Having choise of two is IMHO better.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 85 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Sep-2002 18:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (cOrpse):
Have you seen the VIA EPIA mini ITX board? That's the smallest one I've seen that still offers a lot of functionality. It's larger than a CD record, but not a lot! I bought one a couple of weeks ago (the version with the C3 processor) to build a linux based server/router/firewall. It's performance is only about equal to a PII @ 400 MHz, but it's extremely cool, so you won't need much of a CPU fan. In fact, if you attach a bigger heatsink you won't need a fan at all. And if you use silent and cool 5400 rpm HD's (perhaps in combination with one of those "silent drive" solutions that encapsulates the HD) you can have a *completely* fanless and noiseless system, perfect for bulk storage, printer sharing, and a home server.
That mobo has everything you need on it when you buy it (even a soldered on processor). Add memory, a HD and power suply and you have a complete computer at virtually no cost - it's *really* cheap! But it has only one PCI slot (I use it for a second network card), and the layout of the board is so tight that they left out the floppy connector even though the chipset supports it, but who uses floppies anyway?
;-)
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 86 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 19:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (takemehomegrandma):
IIRC Bill told me they have a pegasos in a toaster ... now thats just plain cool !
If they could get slot loading drives in the toast slots even better :)
/brain "way to positive on the pegasos , knock it off !"
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 87 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 19:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (takemehomegrandma):
Something i forgot ...
If you want to see a really really small x86 board open up a psion series 3a -> mx ... 086 cpu , ram , storage , os , sound ( including speaker if you count the daughter board) , lcd controller , storage and connectivity connectors all on the same board in a complete machine just a bit bigger then a glasses case...
Oh and did I mention the board has the Keyboard on the otherside ? ;).
/me loves my psion :)
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 88 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 04-Sep-2002 19:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Nicolas Sallin):
"The AmigaONE works like the Pegasos. If you use the AmigaONE's extra
PCI slot then the AGP one is disabled. Find another point for your
rant, please."
This statement is utterly false. I've had an SBLive 5.1 in the PCI slot adjacent to the AGP slot an it worked fine. I've also had a Voodoo 3 card in the PCI slot with a Radeon 7000 in the AGP slot. The firmware boots off the AGP card and Linux open up the Voodoo 3 card as fb0 and the Radeon was seen as fb1.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 89 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Crumb // AAT on 04-Sep-2002 19:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
P96 is not equal to CGX one, it is only compatible. P96 patches the system libraries as CGX may do, but it is not based in the work of CGX. From an user point of view p96 is easier to install and set up (at least some friends of mine had problems installing CGX but P96 gave them no problems)
From a programmer's point of view I find that p96 is slightly better documented.
Anyway, after trying both systems in some cards (spectrum,picasso2,cv64,cv3D and now in my Picasso4) I can't see huge differences that make one system bastly superior to the other. It seems that p96 is slightly faster and CGX is more compatible. The first Warp3D version also ran in my CV3D with p96 installed. About MUI the only thing I can say is that I like it, but has too many stability problems. Please, don't tell me that the cause of this are the applications... are ALL the MUI apps badly coded? I don't think so... the easiest way to crash an Amiga is opening some MUI apps... Although in theory it is in development I haven't seen a new version that fixes the many lock ups it causes (I know there are PPC versions, but they are basically the same code recompiled for PPC). MUI is one of the best things the Amiga has, but its stability has to be improved a lot.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 90 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 04-Sep-2002 20:06 GMT
AmigaOne: Old and Busted
Pegasos: Old and Busted
Titanium Powerbook: New Hotness
Wake me when MorphOS runs on something better |-p
PS: You Amiga Inc. fans really make an ass out of yourselves when you say "we" don't want non-Amiga Inc. licenced products. Get a life you corporate zealots!
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 91 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 04-Sep-2002 20:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Adam Kowalczyk):
Now, try using everything at the same time.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 92 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 20:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Crumb // AAT):
WOW ! someone that isn't afraid to speak their mind about amiga software ! this is an amazing day.
I think the problem with MUI is that it isn't suited to demanding situations ... the easiest way to crash a MUI app is to *poke it* about , by this i mean just act a little rough with it , iconify alot etc ... This is probably has something to do with the low horsepower of the 68k , but its still not something that should brushed under the carpet.
CGXMode seems to also have problems with rough play ( when CGX is working correctly its a dream , i get a fuzzy feeling from a 1280x.. workbench ;) ) , the saving grace for blizzardvision owners is the built in 31khz promotion , saved me from alot of sticky spots.
Add-on software that can't take a bit of punishment is ok , its not like the OS depends on it ...
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 93 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 04-Sep-2002 20:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Nicolas Sallin):
With respect to the comment about using the AGP slot and the adjacent PCI slot, I have used them at the same time. With respect to using two video cards in any Linux machine, I have started linux on the AGP card and run X using the 2nd video card in the adjacent PCI slot. IIRC, that's how I was testing some driver modifications I had made to the tdfxfb.c driver. If I get a chance to retest that, I'll reconfirm that as I had done that work prior to the AmiWest show. My Voodoo 3 card is in my Mediator equipped A4000T at the moment.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 94 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 04-Sep-2002 20:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
"Would WarpUP ever be possible without the PowerUP boards? Nope."
Would WarpUP have even existed if the ppc.library wasn't such an unsuitable mess ? Nope , the most amiga like part of that was the floppy disk it came on.
"Would Warp3D be possible without CGX? Nope."
What about CGX's Rave3D ? why don't all these games use that ? mmm we'll leave that up to the wind to decide.
"Would P96 be possible without VFD's work? Nope, the original P2
software was made by FM and P96 uses the CGX API."
Would MorphOS have been possible without amigaOS ? Nope , what about the MorphOS amiga API emulation , would that have been possible ? Bit of a catch 22 there , without AmigaOS you're nothing , yet you wish to destroy it.
"So stop telling us crap."
So stop blowing your own trumpet , I'm sick of this its great because its amiga attitude , it gets nothing sorted . Unless you start speaking your mind your going to be shipped a project with one of those problems that eats away at you , and this counts for both sides.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 95 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 04-Sep-2002 20:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (takemehomegrandma):
Your bucket is full of holes. Windows2000 is superior to MOS or AmigaOS or BeOS or whatever under many aspects, Linux as a server is superior to many other OS's out there. There's no such a thing as an absolute superiority, it's something the childish computer nerds attached to a single system believe in.
If MorphOS was as totally superior as you claim no one would want AmigaOS or any other OS for that matter. Technically MOS might (I stress on the *might*) be superior to OS4 *right now* but the future of MOS is lost into the fog. I never had any interest in that OS because I always felt it would fail in the long run, just like I never believe in the future of BeOS (another superior OS).
People like you think that technical advantage is all that matters (which anyway still has to be proved), if that was the case Commodore would have never gone bankruptcy. Amiga has an interesting roadmap that will really start on OS5 for the people out there, what does MOS have? Who is going to use it other than the few current supporters?
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 96 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 04-Sep-2002 21:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (takemehomegrandma):
>Amiga software runs on Pegasos with MorphOS. Both 68k and PPC.
Right, but the parasitism ends with software created for classic Amigas. The new Amiga software will be developed to take advantage of OS4. You will be stuck running old Amiga software and new (lol) MorphOS software. Oh, BTW, how do you plan to grow the MOS/Pegasos user base?
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 97 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 04-Sep-2002 21:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (cOrpse):
And knowing the tech support of most amiga companies I'd be told it was my fault and that I'm stupid ( probably true ;) , but I have fun ).
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Nope, even if you got no reply for it, FM would look at it.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 98 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Steve on 04-Sep-2002 21:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (amigammc):
amigammc you are a really funny guy ;)
When do you expect to see OS 4? Do you think at this time there will
still be enough interested developers?
Here what I think: AmigaOS 4 will not be out before summer 2003
optimistically speaking, I think in fact that it'd rather be end
2003/begin 2004. I'm basing this on what I know from OS development
and according to what they want to achieve (the feature list). And I
don't think that active developers will wait until this date. Either
they develop for MorphOS which exist today or for another platform
(MacOS X, Linux, Windows...).
You know that you're living in a real world, don't you? :) So stop
dreaming :)
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 99 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 04-Sep-2002 21:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Adam Kowalczyk):
The AGP port works, but at the speed of the PCI card, AGP 1x if it's a 66mhz
card, or slower than AGP1x if it's a 33mhz one.
Morphos runs on AmigaOne too. : Comment 100 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 04-Sep-2002 21:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Steve):
I see the pratt-count is still going strong around here.
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